A lot of people on social media are starting their condolence messages by saying "I disagreed with everything Ann Widdecombe believed in...", but the problem is by saying this they're implying they're in favour of fox hunting, because she was a big campaigner against it. Shows why you should always do your research before making sweeping remarks.
I don't think anyone should say that at all.
You shouldn't first make it about you and your views when commenting on a brutal and horrific murder.
Well then how should you comment on an event such as this?
My first instincts are to go with the 'not a fan' disclaimer and then the nice bits.
I had zero time for Widdecombe’s politics especially when she joined Reform but those who knew her spoke highly of her. To die in those circumstances is horrific , I can’t imagine the fear she felt at that time. It’s perfectly acceptable IMO to caveat the horror most people feel at this murder with that qualification.
I find it all a bit insincere and performative that everyone is expected to express their "thoughts and prayers" over such events, unless they have some personal connection.
With social media we live in a very performative and insincere time. I was though genuinely horrified by her murder but I would be if I read about anyone being in that position .
Nigel Farage has revealed that he is receiving more than 300 threats a month as he seeks to bolster protection for Reform politicians after the killing of Ann Widdecombe
The Reform UK leader is meeting the body responsible for organising security for public figures to raise concerns about his own safety and that of his colleagues
Reform has recorded 1,577 threats against Farage since February, including 597 death threats, predominantly on X. It has identified a cohort of repeat threats from the same individuals believed to be fixated on the idea of killing him
The most persistent individual targeting Farage sent six directed threats to him on Facebook between June 24 and July 6, including a message telling him to “get the f*** out of Wales before I just kill Nigel Farage … you can die at any f***ing moment.”
Another individual posted on X last month saying: “Execute the striking Traitor Nigel Farage. TODAY,” followed by two further escalating posts within eight hours
Nearly all of that was true a month ago, two months ago, but it didn't serve Farage's narrative to distract from awkward questions around the £5 million then.
A lot of people on social media are starting their condolence messages by saying "I disagreed with everything Ann Widdecombe believed in...", but the problem is by saying this they're implying they're in favour of fox hunting, because she was a big campaigner against it. Shows why you should always do your research before making sweeping remarks.
I don't think anyone should say that at all.
You shouldn't first make it about you and your views when commenting on a brutal and horrific murder.
Well then how should you comment on an event such as this?
My first instincts are to go with the 'not a fan' disclaimer and then the nice bits.
I wouldn't comment on the politics at all.
It's a brutal and horrible murder, and I'd say the same if Corbyn was targeted.
Same here
Adding a disclaimer that one doesn’t agree with her, it’s ridiculous. As if express sorrow or sympathy for her passing without that caveat would imply you agreed with her politics.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
While I would not wish to interrupt my opponents making a mistake, it is a big mistake and yet again reminds us that the Tory nervous breakdown over Europe is not yet over. Bad for the Tory Party of course, but not great for the country.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
That is a really succinct summary that I may steal.
I was half expecting Farage to, pace Jonathan Aitken, witter on about "the sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play" but given how that turned out for Aitken, probably not a good move.
Am I right in thinking even if Farage is re-elected, the Standards Committee could still throw him out of Parliament thereby forcing a second by-election in which Farage (presumably) would be unable to stand? I presume Farage is hoping a strong re-election will put pressure on the aforementioned Standards Committee to, if not, exonerate him entirely then perhaps to ensure it's more of a slap on the wrist than a kick in the gonads.
Farage remains an MP and life goes on as normally as it ever can and all we are out is the cost of the by-election and the prevailing questions about donations and contributions which will dog (so to apeak) Farage all the way to the next GE and perhaps beyond.
As for Count Bin-fahsay, I've seen him interviewed. I'm sure we can all understand his frustration at urinal facilities in west London pubs but how far will the joke take him and what will we do if he gets there?
He signed a Treaty with the Landlady that should he win, it will be moved.
"Benefits claimants can ignore hosepipe ban MPs criticise ‘two-tier’ restrictions that allow benefits recipients with three children to hose their gardens"
It really pays less and less in this country to work full time, strive and get on.
You use your hosepipe. Get a fine.
The dole bludger down at number 7 can use theirs all day without any comeback.
Nuts but plenty will justify it.
I'll break this down for you. Up until the change in the law recently, benefit claimants with 3 or more children only received money for two. Most will be in debt to card companies, the DWP or the local council - perhaps all three. Fining them would simply add to the financial pressures and most likely the fines wouldn't/couldn't be paid. It would waste court time and money for nothing more that a gesture.
It may offend people and generate the two-tier trope but there is a practicality there.
So basically fine/screw over the people working you know you will be able to get money from for,doing something others can just do at will.
The fines are there to prevent a behaviour they don’t want. In this case using excessive water in the garden. So you’re effectively penalising some water users but allowing others to carry on with no fear of any consequence for a behaviour that is not desirable.
It is two tier and is manifestly unfair on those in the relevant areas.
By your logic we may as well let benefits claimants speed, park without paying for a ticket or do anything they like as the fine would be unlikely to be paid.
So what's the answer then?
There's not much point trying to fine people who don't have money. So then you end up looking at other punishments for non-payment of fines. We could (and do) send people to prison for that, but I'm not sure that's ideal either.
And there's also the flipside to consider. Some people and businesses feel that they can speed, park without paying for a ticket or do anything they like as the fine is a trivial amount of money for them. Again, that's not especially fair, but people on the right have traditionally been robust in saying that life isn't always fair- get over it. Frankly, I'd rather be in the slice of society where paying fines is a meaningful annoyance than the one the powers that be don't try and levy them.
There's a fairly simple solution to not having the necessary liquidity to pay a fine.
A lot of people on social media are starting their condolence messages by saying "I disagreed with everything Ann Widdecombe believed in...", but the problem is by saying this they're implying they're in favour of fox hunting, because she was a big campaigner against it. Shows why you should always do your research before making sweeping remarks.
I don't think anyone should say that at all.
You shouldn't first make it about you and your views when commenting on a brutal and horrific murder.
Well then how should you comment on an event such as this?
My first instincts are to go with the 'not a fan' disclaimer and then the nice bits.
I know this is hard to believe, but I understand that you are allowed to not comment at all on the matter.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
While I would not wish to interrupt my opponents making a mistake, it is a big mistake and yet again reminds us that the Tory nervous breakdown over Europe is not yet over. Bad for the Tory Party of course, but not great for the country.
There is no nervous breakdown over the EU
The UK has left, and Starmer claiming his Swiss trade deal yesterday would not have happened alongside the others he is proud of including the US if we hadn't
There may be regret, but the way forward is to be an outer associate member but with our own jurisdiction and trade deals
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
If you've been wondering what old @stodge has been doing the last week or so...
Well, you're wrong.
I have been visiting Manchester looking for something called "the North" which I'm told exists and will be running the country before long. Now, based on last week, Manchester is England's Oven and staying close to what I'm told the locals call "Crackadilly Gardens" in a hotel with no air conditioning (some might call it a bedroom, I'd call it a sauna with a bed), it's still a place of energy and dynamism.
Like most cities, the gap between those have and those who don't is stark and reminders of the dark paths down which mental health and addiction can lead are everywhere.
I have to say for breakfast/brunch venues, Manchester is quite superb with top marks to Cafe 19, Moose and Coffee Lab and a honourable mention to North Star in Dale Street which does a full English Japanese style. Put another way, what happens in chicken yakitori club stays in chicken yakitori club.
Trips out took us to Buxton, Lancaster, Altrincham and a Saturday afternoon watching the money in Didsbury Village as a reminder suburban Cheshire can rival if not surpass even Surrey for comfort, nay affluence.
Did I find "the North"? No, for of course it does not exist anymore than "the south" exists. Britain and indeed England is far more complex and nuanced and defies easy attempts at pigeon holing, categorisation or demonisation just as "all" those on benefits will be able to water their gradens while "hard working British families" will be left with dirty cars and deserts (or desserts) apparently.
Someone posts a video claiming to be a machete attack in Manchester and one of my silly friends claims we are in danger - antisocial media plies on fears, prejudices and ignorance. It's not easy to support freedom of speech and see it abused and corrupted the way it is by those who post unverifiable nonsense to build a climate.
The North isn’t a place it is a state of mind (or something like that).
Glad you had fun up in the Tropical North West. Centre of Manchester has changed so much in the last few years - but like everywhere there are those, that for their own reasons and society failings, fall between the cracks. Some of these challenges are more noticeable in the mill towns around Manchester.
Although point of order Didsbury village distinctly not Cheshire. Probably more of a Dulwich / Wimbledon Village comparison.
As an aside I remember an Armando Ianucci (sic) joke that went something like “Cheshire is the Surrey of the North, unless you are in Sussex when the Surrey of the North is in fact Surrey” - well I found it funny.
Of course, Jim, I was having a wee josh at those getting over excited about Andy Burnham.
Thank you for the correction re: Didsbury - we travelled on the Metrolink (the Manchester equivalent of the London Underground with the main difference it's 100% above ground while the London Underground is only 55% above ground).
I assume places like Knutsford, Macclesfield and Congleton are more the wealthy bits of suburban Cheshire. We went to Chester yesterday and I enjoyed a visit round the Cathedral - it's no Canterbury or York Minster but not without appeal. Mrs Stodge "did" the shops.
Chester is a nice spot. Hope you checked out all the Roman stuff too (something that London doesn’t have too much of).
As someone who’s recently returned from the South to the North I always think the scale of London sets it apart from the rest of the country. It is nine old million people plus those that work in London. Manchester has nowhere near that and it shows, but there are benefits.
The folk of Knutsford will be spluttering into their pink gins by putting Macc and Cong in the same bracket as them. Folk there still look down on Wilmslow and Alderly Edge as “fur coat, no knickers” territory.
You and I are having the same conversation in parallel Jim! Whereabouts in the north are you? I've been thinking about what distinguished the south from the north, and had a similar thought: everywhere in the south (actually specifically the south east) relates to London in some way in a way.
Am based in Macc - home of the Macc lads, although the town tends to lean into the Joy Division connection rather than the beer, sex and chips and gravy sounds of the aforementioned. I still think “no sheep ‘til Buxton” is a blinding song title.
The Macc Lads are playing a reunion in Stockport in November - I am sorely tempted!
Not to mention the lyrical love ballad "Sweaty Betty".
My Dad used to play Fat Bastard a lot when I was young. When I first heard Blockbuster by Sweet I thought they'd copied the tune from the Macc Lads.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
All noted, but the Tory party is a broad church, and needs to be broad enough to have some credible people around when it further changes its mind on things. What goes round comes round. My (Labour) MP lost the whip for supporting a policy on farm IHT which only months later his government adopted for itself, graciously letting him back in following his crime of being right and being a few weeks ahead of the government. He is still in post. The PM suspending him has fallen.
Mrs Thatcher IIRC didn't keep chucking people out and she met ferocious opposition from within. Heath and Macmillan to name two.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
While I would not wish to interrupt my opponents making a mistake, it is a big mistake and yet again reminds us that the Tory nervous breakdown over Europe is not yet over. Bad for the Tory Party of course, but not great for the country.
You seem to want to perpetuate the myth that Brexit was purely a right wing thing. It wasn't. If it had been it would never have got close to actually passing. It was a decision made by voters from every shade of the political spectrum. The EU was a fault line across the country, not just across the Tory party.
This means that even if the Tories were, in your view, to return to their senses, it would still be meaningless and would solve nothing. The numbers on each side may have shifted a little but the great divide remains and I see no prospect of it going away.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
'ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock)'
Name me one political party that will cancel it
The Greens 2024 manifesto proposed cancelling... well, moving to just a double lock.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
'ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock)'
Name me one political party that will cancel it
Precisely. It's not only the Tories of course. Being in the middle of the herd is not leadership. I am interested in the Tories because I have voted Tory for 50 years and they have mislaid me, and show no signs of wanting me back!
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
All noted, but the Tory party is a broad church, and needs to be broad enough to have some credible people around when it further changes its mind on things. What goes round comes round. My (Labour) MP lost the whip for supporting a policy on farm IHT which only months later his government adopted for itself, graciously letting him back in following his crime of being right and being a few weeks ahead of the government. He is still in post. The PM suspending him has fallen.
Mrs Thatcher IIRC didn't keep chucking people out and she met ferocious opposition from within. Heath and Macmillan to name two.
And she was ultimately brought down by her enemies within the party who wanted the job before their time was past - the Poll Tax stuff was just the excuse.
The look on Hesletine's face when he realised how much he was loathed by the membership, was hilarious. The twist of anger when Major was announced as the winner was also one for the ages - talk about a man swallowing wasps.
It's not surprising that following leaders have learnt the lesson of Caesar & Octavian
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
'ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock)'
Name me one political party that will cancel it
I think the comment was pretty clearly applicable beyond merely the Tories. That's why it's so problematic, because it isn't obvious that anyone would do differently.
@JohnSimpsonNews Argentina v England is important way beyond football. If Argentina wins tomorrow night, it’ll put real fire behind the demand for the Falklands. If England wins, that should put the lid on it — for now.
Has Simpson been on the sherry ! What an absolutely ludicrous thing to say .
Maybe he is in the know, and attuned to something we are not?
The players in dressing room are singing Malvinas songs as well as their fans. Was that always the case each time England has played Argentine since 1982? The Franco regime came to an end, but Argentina still remained under the shadow, the Generals war was an attempt to regain popularity, so for a while Argentinian people may not have been so wildly in favour of attempt to take the islands as they may now have come to be today.
Times change and sentiment changes, leaving us ordinary folk behind the curve, and subject matter experts who live it and have a lifetime of contacts, could be the only ones who realise it first?
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
All noted, but the Tory party is a broad church, and needs to be broad enough to have some credible people around when it further changes its mind on things. What goes round comes round. My (Labour) MP lost the whip for supporting a policy on farm IHT which only months later his government adopted for itself, graciously letting him back in following his crime of being right and being a few weeks ahead of the government. He is still in post. The PM suspending him has fallen.
Mrs Thatcher IIRC didn't keep chucking people out and she met ferocious opposition from within. Heath and Macmillan to name two.
If you continue to undermine your leader, who by the way is gaining with the public, and ignore warnings then you will be sacked
As I see it the conservative party will not consider any move to re open the EU debate which I fully endorse and wanting to ameliorate climate change costs is where all politicians should be including opening the North Sea
The ECHR itself is under review by the EU who are even talking of a Rwanda style scheme themselves
Ultimately Kemi will succeed if she wins on the economy, helping the young, and stopping the boats
I was half expecting Farage to, pace Jonathan Aitken, witter on about "the sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play" but given how that turned out for Aitken, probably not a good move.
Am I right in thinking even if Farage is re-elected, the Standards Committee could still throw him out of Parliament thereby forcing a second by-election in which Farage (presumably) would be unable to stand? I presume Farage is hoping a strong re-election will put pressure on the aforementioned Standards Committee to, if not, exonerate him entirely then perhaps to ensure it's more of a slap on the wrist than a kick in the gonads.
Farage remains an MP and life goes on as normally as it ever can and all we are out is the cost of the by-election and the prevailing questions about donations and contributions which will dog (so to apeak) Farage all the way to the next GE and perhaps beyond.
As for Count Bin-fahsay, I've seen him interviewed. I'm sure we can all understand his frustration at urinal facilities in west London pubs but how far will the joke take him and what will we do if he gets there?
He would be able to stand. It's like football. Bellingham gets a red card but if the England supporters shout loudly enough he is allowed back on the pitch after five minutes.
Yes, we have all gone mad. Parliament should have the power to undertake a proper process which could require an MP's resignation which is final.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
While I would not wish to interrupt my opponents making a mistake, it is a big mistake and yet again reminds us that the Tory nervous breakdown over Europe is not yet over. Bad for the Tory Party of course, but not great for the country.
You seem to want to perpetuate the myth that Brexit was purely a right wing thing. It wasn't. If it had been it would never have got close to actually passing. It was a decision made by voters from every shade of the political spectrum. The EU was a fault line across the country, not just across the Tory party.
This means that even if the Tories were, in your view, to return to their senses, it would still be meaningless and would solve nothing. The numbers on each side may have shifted a little but the great divide remains and I see no prospect of it going away.
The other myth is that because it did not always rate highly on lists of people's concerns, that Cameron basically 'invented' it as an issue by letting the cat out of the box on it.
Whether he could or should have resisted calls to go for a referendum, it was an issue for him for a reason, which is why it passing should not have been as big a shock to some as it was.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
All noted, but the Tory party is a broad church, and needs to be broad enough to have some credible people around when it further changes its mind on things. What goes round comes round. My (Labour) MP lost the whip for supporting a policy on farm IHT which only months later his government adopted for itself, graciously letting him back in following his crime of being right and being a few weeks ahead of the government. He is still in post. The PM suspending him has fallen.
Mrs Thatcher IIRC didn't keep chucking people out and she met ferocious opposition from within. Heath and Macmillan to name two.
Nor did Blair, to do him justice.
Maybe he should have done, then we would have been spared all that nonsense with Corbyn.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
I was half expecting Farage to, pace Jonathan Aitken, witter on about "the sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play" but given how that turned out for Aitken, probably not a good move.
Am I right in thinking even if Farage is re-elected, the Standards Committee could still throw him out of Parliament thereby forcing a second by-election in which Farage (presumably) would be unable to stand? I presume Farage is hoping a strong re-election will put pressure on the aforementioned Standards Committee to, if not, exonerate him entirely then perhaps to ensure it's more of a slap on the wrist than a kick in the gonads.
Farage remains an MP and life goes on as normally as it ever can and all we are out is the cost of the by-election and the prevailing questions about donations and contributions which will dog (so to apeak) Farage all the way to the next GE and perhaps beyond.
As for Count Bin-fahsay, I've seen him interviewed. I'm sure we can all understand his frustration at urinal facilities in west London pubs but how far will the joke take him and what will we do if he gets there?
He would be able to stand. It's like football. Bellingham gets a red card but if the England supporters shout loudly enough he is allowed back on the pitch after five minutes.
Yes, we have all gone mad. Parliament should have the power to undertake a proper process which could require an MP's resignation which is final.
It could be done through recall petitions.
Petition opens on suspension.
10% sign it - by election in which the suspended MP can stand again.
25% sign it - by election in which the suspended MP can't stand again.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
They have, but are in first gear going slowly, as they don't know which path to take. There's a lot more fodder on the right, if Reform collapse.
The Tories, like so many politicians, have lost sight of the way in which they need to lead rather than follow. It is some time since someone has tried 'vote for this because it is right, good and best for us all'. Instead we suffer a ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock), fear (tax rises for others, it's OK it's not you) and racing to the bottom (ECHR).
'ghastly mixture of pork barrel (triple lock)'
Name me one political party that will cancel it
Precisely. It's not only the Tories of course. Being in the middle of the herd is not leadership. I am interested in the Tories because I have voted Tory for 50 years and they have mislaid me, and show no signs of wanting me back!
It depends on what you want
I voted conservative all my life (82), campaigned and actively canvassed for them but:
I did vote for Blair twice and have no regrets
I do not know what you want from them, but I do not see any alternative at present, unless Burnham surprises on the upside
Badenochs absolutist view of the ECHR is desperate Reform chasing and has boxed the Tories in .
She should have qualified her policy with unless changes are made to the ECHR , and or whether there’s a significant drop in crossings , this at least gives some wriggle room.
Her policy ignores the impact on Northern Ireland and on the EU UK deal . These questions will appear closer to the election .
Starting a trade war, losing security co-operation , more political strife in NI and being in the same company as Russia isn’t exactly a vote winning message .
No, it does not ignore Northern Ireland. Lord Wolfson's work before the policy was announced specifically addressed whether this was workable given Northern Ireland's status. This policy was carefully worked out over a fairly long period, during which those crafting the policy considered whether meaningful reform of the ECHR was possible, or whether derogation from parts of it could work. They concluded that it could not.
Hopefully the Lib Dems are desperate enough to give Lord Barwell a home.
"Benefits claimants can ignore hosepipe ban MPs criticise ‘two-tier’ restrictions that allow benefits recipients with three children to hose their gardens"
It really pays less and less in this country to work full time, strive and get on.
You use your hosepipe. Get a fine.
The dole bludger down at number 7 can use theirs all day without any comeback.
Nuts but plenty will justify it.
I'll break this down for you. Up until the change in the law recently, benefit claimants with 3 or more children only received money for two. Most will be in debt to card companies, the DWP or the local council - perhaps all three. Fining them would simply add to the financial pressures and most likely the fines wouldn't/couldn't be paid. It would waste court time and money for nothing more that a gesture.
It may offend people and generate the two-tier trope but there is a practicality there.
So basically fine/screw over the people working you know you will be able to get money from for,doing something others can just do at will.
The fines are there to prevent a behaviour they don’t want. In this case using excessive water in the garden. So you’re effectively penalising some water users but allowing others to carry on with no fear of any consequence for a behaviour that is not desirable.
It is two tier and is manifestly unfair on those in the relevant areas.
By your logic we may as well let benefits claimants speed, park without paying for a ticket or do anything they like as the fine would be unlikely to be paid.
So what's the answer then?
There's not much point trying to fine people who don't have money. So then you end up looking at other punishments for non-payment of fines. We could (and do) send people to prison for that, but I'm not sure that's ideal either.
And there's also the flipside to consider. Some people and businesses feel that they can speed, park without paying for a ticket or do anything they like as the fine is a trivial amount of money for them. Again, that's not especially fair, but people on the right have traditionally been robust in saying that life isn't always fair- get over it. Frankly, I'd rather be in the slice of society where paying fines is a meaningful annoyance than the one the powers that be don't try and levy them.
There's a fairly simple solution to not having the necessary liquidity to pay a fine.
Compulsory water meters for all. It’s nuts that I pay for what I use and someone else can pay a fixed amount for unlimited use. You wouldn’t do that for gas or electricity.
@JohnSimpsonNews Argentina v England is important way beyond football. If Argentina wins tomorrow night, it’ll put real fire behind the demand for the Falklands. If England wins, that should put the lid on it — for now.
Has Simpson been on the sherry ! What an absolutely ludicrous thing to say .
Maybe he is in the know, and attuned to something we are not?
The players in dressing room are singing Malvinas songs as well as their fans. Was that always the case each time England has played Argentine since 1982? The Franco regime came to an end, but Argentina still remained under the shadow, the Generals war was an attempt to regain popularity, so for a while Argentinian people may not have been so wildly in favour of attempt to take the islands as they may now have come to be today.
Times change and sentiment changes, leaving us ordinary folk behind the curve, and subject matter experts who live it and have a lifetime of contacts, could be the only ones who realise it first?
"Benefits claimants can ignore hosepipe ban MPs criticise ‘two-tier’ restrictions that allow benefits recipients with three children to hose their gardens"
It really pays less and less in this country to work full time, strive and get on.
You use your hosepipe. Get a fine.
The dole bludger down at number 7 can use theirs all day without any comeback.
Nuts but plenty will justify it.
I'll break this down for you. Up until the change in the law recently, benefit claimants with 3 or more children only received money for two. Most will be in debt to card companies, the DWP or the local council - perhaps all three. Fining them would simply add to the financial pressures and most likely the fines wouldn't/couldn't be paid. It would waste court time and money for nothing more that a gesture.
It may offend people and generate the two-tier trope but there is a practicality there.
So basically fine/screw over the people working you know you will be able to get money from for,doing something others can just do at will.
The fines are there to prevent a behaviour they don’t want. In this case using excessive water in the garden. So you’re effectively penalising some water users but allowing others to carry on with no fear of any consequence for a behaviour that is not desirable.
It is two tier and is manifestly unfair on those in the relevant areas.
By your logic we may as well let benefits claimants speed, park without paying for a ticket or do anything they like as the fine would be unlikely to be paid.
So what's the answer then?
There's not much point trying to fine people who don't have money. So then you end up looking at other punishments for non-payment of fines. We could (and do) send people to prison for that, but I'm not sure that's ideal either.
And there's also the flipside to consider. Some people and businesses feel that they can speed, park without paying for a ticket or do anything they like as the fine is a trivial amount of money for them. Again, that's not especially fair, but people on the right have traditionally been robust in saying that life isn't always fair- get over it. Frankly, I'd rather be in the slice of society where paying fines is a meaningful annoyance than the one the powers that be don't try and levy them.
There's a fairly simple solution to not having the necessary liquidity to pay a fine.
Compulsory water meters for all. It’s nuts that I pay for what I use and someone else can pay a fixed amount for unlimited use. You wouldn’t do that for gas or electricity.
I was thinking just don't do the finable behaviour, but OK.
Andy Burnham will be told by senior civil servants on Monday that he faces a worsening economy, rising borrowing costs and interest rate hikes in his first six months as PM
@JohnSimpsonNews Argentina v England is important way beyond football. If Argentina wins tomorrow night, it’ll put real fire behind the demand for the Falklands. If England wins, that should put the lid on it — for now.
Has Simpson been on the sherry ! What an absolutely ludicrous thing to say .
Maybe he is in the know, and attuned to something we are not?
The players in dressing room are singing Malvinas songs as well as their fans. Was that always the case each time England has played Argentine since 1982? The Franco regime came to an end, but Argentina still remained under the shadow, the Generals war was an attempt to regain popularity, so for a while Argentinian people may not have been so wildly in favour of attempt to take the islands as they may now have come to be today.
Times change and sentiment changes, leaving us ordinary folk behind the curve, and subject matter experts who live it and have a lifetime of contacts, could be the only ones who realise it first?
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
@JohnSimpsonNews Argentina v England is important way beyond football. If Argentina wins tomorrow night, it’ll put real fire behind the demand for the Falklands. If England wins, that should put the lid on it — for now.
Has Simpson been on the sherry ! What an absolutely ludicrous thing to say .
Maybe he is in the know, and attuned to something we are not?
The players in dressing room are singing Malvinas songs as well as their fans. Was that always the case each time England has played Argentine since 1982? The Franco regime came to an end, but Argentina still remained under the shadow, the Generals war was an attempt to regain popularity, so for a while Argentinian people may not have been so wildly in favour of attempt to take the islands as they may now have come to be today.
Times change and sentiment changes, leaving us ordinary folk behind the curve, and subject matter experts who live it and have a lifetime of contacts, could be the only ones who realise it first?
Badenochs absolutist view of the ECHR is desperate Reform chasing and has boxed the Tories in .
She should have qualified her policy with unless changes are made to the ECHR , and or whether there’s a significant drop in crossings , this at least gives some wriggle room.
Her policy ignores the impact on Northern Ireland and on the EU UK deal . These questions will appear closer to the election .
Starting a trade war, losing security co-operation , more political strife in NI and being in the same company as Russia isn’t exactly a vote winning message .
No, it does not ignore Northern Ireland. Lord Wolfson's work before the policy was announced specifically addressed whether this was workable given Northern Ireland's status. This policy was carefully worked out over a fairly long period, during which those crafting the policy considered whether meaningful reform of the ECHR was possible, or whether derogation from parts of it could work. They concluded that it could not.
Hopefully the Lib Dems are desperate enough to give Lord Barwell a home.
Well, Heseltine and Rory Stewart might as well move in too.
Badenochs absolutist view of the ECHR is desperate Reform chasing and has boxed the Tories in .
She should have qualified her policy with unless changes are made to the ECHR , and or whether there’s a significant drop in crossings , this at least gives some wriggle room.
Her policy ignores the impact on Northern Ireland and on the EU UK deal . These questions will appear closer to the election .
Starting a trade war, losing security co-operation , more political strife in NI and being in the same company as Russia isn’t exactly a vote winning message .
No, it does not ignore Northern Ireland. Lord Wolfson's work before the policy was announced specifically addressed whether this was workable given Northern Ireland's status. This policy was carefully worked out over a fairly long period, during which those crafting the policy considered whether meaningful reform of the ECHR was possible, or whether derogation from parts of it could work. They concluded that it could not.
Hopefully the Lib Dems are desperate enough to give Lord Barwell a home.
Well, Heseltine and Rory Stewart might as well move in too.
Quite the hammer blow. Let's hope we can somehow keep Fatty Soames.
Andy Burnham will be told by senior civil servants on Monday that he faces a worsening economy, rising borrowing costs and interest rate hikes in his first six months as PM
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Andy Burnham will be told by senior civil servants on Monday that he faces a worsening economy, rising borrowing costs and interest rate hikes in his first six months as PM
I'm confused. I thought Starmer was running the most pro-growth government ever?
See the following Starmer quotes:
"I'm determined to do everything in my power to galvanise growth... That is our most important national mission" "Raising productivity growth will be Labour's 'obsession' in government! "Labour’s mission for the British economy [is] to secure the highest sustained growth in the G7". "Growth – it’s the only show in town" "our missions are ambitious, the highest sustained growth in the G7"
So how can the economy be worsening?
Unless of course they were a bunch of lying, clueless incompetents with no idea what they are doing, whose tenure has ended in complete failure, which surely can't be right?
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Badenochs absolutist view of the ECHR is desperate Reform chasing and has boxed the Tories in .
She should have qualified her policy with unless changes are made to the ECHR , and or whether there’s a significant drop in crossings , this at least gives some wriggle room.
Her policy ignores the impact on Northern Ireland and on the EU UK deal . These questions will appear closer to the election .
Starting a trade war, losing security co-operation , more political strife in NI and being in the same company as Russia isn’t exactly a vote winning message .
No, it does not ignore Northern Ireland. Lord Wolfson's work before the policy was announced specifically addressed whether this was workable given Northern Ireland's status. This policy was carefully worked out over a fairly long period, during which those crafting the policy considered whether meaningful reform of the ECHR was possible, or whether derogation from parts of it could work. They concluded that it could not.
Hopefully the Lib Dems are desperate enough to give Lord Barwell a home.
Well, Heseltine and Rory Stewart might as well move in too.
Quite the hammer blow. Let's hope we can somehow keep Fatty Soames.
Nick from Westminster a fatty? He's like a racing snake these days.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
While I would not wish to interrupt my opponents making a mistake, it is a big mistake and yet again reminds us that the Tory nervous breakdown over Europe is not yet over. Bad for the Tory Party of course, but not great for the country.
You seem to want to perpetuate the myth that Brexit was purely a right wing thing. It wasn't. If it had been it would never have got close to actually passing. It was a decision made by voters from every shade of the political spectrum. The EU was a fault line across the country, not just across the Tory party.
This means that even if the Tories were, in your view, to return to their senses, it would still be meaningless and would solve nothing. The numbers on each side may have shifted a little but the great divide remains and I see no prospect of it going away.
The other myth is that because it did not always rate highly on lists of people's concerns, that Cameron basically 'invented' it as an issue by letting the cat out of the box on it.
Whether he could or should have resisted calls to go for a referendum, it was an issue for him for a reason, which is why it passing should not have been as big a shock to some as it was.
Agreed.
I think the biggest mistake Cameron made was in trying to sell his non deal as if he had received concessions. It just annoyed a lot of people who were on the fence. But no one in the Tory party comes out well from the aftermath.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
The Franco regime came to an end, but Argentina still remained under the shadow, the Generals war was an attempt to regain popularity, so for a while Argentinian people may not have been so wildly in favour of attempt to take the islands as they may now have come to be today.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
The Lib Dems are probably rubbing their hands in glee- the squeeze message in Waitrose country writes itself. And as one of those lapsed Conservative wets- thanks Kemi for making it so clear that you really don't want my vote. I don't have to feel guilty any more.
Whether the Conservatives can hope to win without being at least tolerable in Nice England is another matter.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
Understandably upsets anyone who is concerned about the world getting inexorably hotter, which presumably now means “Lib Dems” in the through the looking glass world we’re now living in.
But never mind, that’s not a problem for the average Tory target voter.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
Why on earth would the Lib Dems be upset by Kemi Badenoch making her party unacceptable to otherwise Conservative supporters who will vote for them instead? Leaving aside whether it's a reasonable policy (it isn't).
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
She's tough as nails and Andy rates her. Markets will like it and for all the softy lefty talk that's important.
Also avoids the bad optics of replacing the first F Chancellor with a man.
Preferred to Yvette on that score. Maybe because despite being a woman Yvette has Balls.
I like Shabana, and it would be a sensible appointment especially as labour women are unhappy that they have not had a leader yet
Also her immigration policies passed yesterday
We will see. But she is the clear betting fav now. Ed is out with the washing. Pat still just about hanging in there. There has clearly been some scuttlebut.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
Understandably upsets anyone who is concerned about the world getting inexorably hotter, which presumably now means “Lib Dems” in the through the looking glass world we’re now living in.
But never mind, that’s not a problem for the average Tory target voter.
Hopefully you're excluding yourself from that number, given that when we spoke of rising sea temperatures caused by removing sulphur from ship fuel, you felt it was better to 'rip the plaster off' than try to repair the damage.
Another win for the ambulance chasing elements of the legal profession,
“ 🚨NEW: One of Keir Starmer's last acts will be a massive expansion of 'work of equal value' pay claims that are already bankrupting local councils to cover race too.
All this will do is cost taxpayers and consumer more, and encourage divisive identity politics in the workplace.”
The Franco regime came to an end, but Argentina still remained under the shadow, the Generals war was an attempt to regain popularity, so for a while Argentinian people may not have been so wildly in favour of attempt to take the islands as they may now have come to be today.
The Galtieri regime.
Franco was in Spain 1936-1975.
Juan Peron (and Eva – Don't Cry for Me, Argentina).
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
Why on earth would the Lib Dems be upset by Kemi Badenoch making her party unacceptable to otherwise Conservative supporters who will vote for them instead? Leaving aside whether it's a reasonable policy (it isn't).
One other thought.
One of the worst aspects of online culture is the bit of it where upsetting "the right people" is an end in itself, not even a means to an end. It distracts us all from finding win-win solutions that might stick and just makes the world a coarser, nastier place.
One of the distinctive things about Kemi B is that she's our first truly online party leader. That has consequences.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
"Burnham allies ‘block Ed Miliband from becoming chancellor’ Mahmood, the home secretary, is the frontrunner for the role after concerns that the energy secretary will become a lightning rod for criticism" (£)
In advance of tonight's World Cup final semi-final, I write in defence of the standard of refereeing at this tournament.
I've watched a lot of games, and I reckon it's the best I've seen in a WC. The refs (and VAR) have got most of the big calls right. And, equally importantly, they've let games flow by being much less tolerant of players crashing to the floor as if they've been savaged by a Rottweiler rather than nudged off the ball. Play on, has been the usual call. The rule changes on things like quick throw-ins have helped too.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
None and found no wrongdoing by govt ministers it seems.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
While I would not wish to interrupt my opponents making a mistake, it is a big mistake and yet again reminds us that the Tory nervous breakdown over Europe is not yet over. Bad for the Tory Party of course, but not great for the country.
You seem to want to perpetuate the myth that Brexit was purely a right wing thing. It wasn't. If it had been it would never have got close to actually passing. It was a decision made by voters from every shade of the political spectrum. The EU was a fault line across the country, not just across the Tory party.
This means that even if the Tories were, in your view, to return to their senses, it would still be meaningless and would solve nothing. The numbers on each side may have shifted a little but the great divide remains and I see no prospect of it going away.
The other myth is that because it did not always rate highly on lists of people's concerns, that Cameron basically 'invented' it as an issue by letting the cat out of the box on it.
Whether he could or should have resisted calls to go for a referendum, it was an issue for him for a reason, which is why it passing should not have been as big a shock to some as it was.
Agreed.
I think the biggest mistake Cameron made was in trying to sell his non deal as if he had received concessions. It just annoyed a lot of people who were on the fence. But no one in the Tory party comes out well from the aftermath.
If only they had listened to me.
Cameron made any number of biggest mistakes but one of them was not asking for any particular concessions rather than just concessions in general. Another was believing the Brexiteer line that the EU was a racket run by France and Germany so Cameron went directly to Angela Merkel for negotiations instead of the EU in Brussels. And so on and so forth.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Hancock got an honourable mention by name. I don't remember whether Johnson was associated with the debacle. Probably not, he wasn't there much, he was writing his book on Shakespeare.
"Burnham allies ‘block Ed Miliband from becoming chancellor’ Mahmood, the home secretary, is the frontrunner for the role after concerns that the energy secretary will become a lightning rod for criticism" (£)
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
Why on earth would the Lib Dems be upset by Kemi Badenoch making her party unacceptable to otherwise Conservative supporters who will vote for them instead? Leaving aside whether it's a reasonable policy (it isn't).
One other thought.
One of the worst aspects of online culture is the bit of it where upsetting "the right people" is an end in itself, not even a means to an end. It distracts us all from finding win-win solutions that might stick and just makes the world a coarser, nastier place.
One of the distinctive things about Kemi B is that she's our first truly online party leader. That has consequences.
Gavin Barwell had publicly, repeatedly and intemperately attacked party policy. He then refused to meet the Cheif whip - a meeting where he might have explained himself and come to some accommodation. I'm puzzled as to what you feel should have happened.
She's tough as nails and Andy rates her. Markets will like it and for all the softy lefty talk that's important.
Also avoids the bad optics of replacing the first F Chancellor with a man.
Preferred to Yvette on that score. Maybe because despite being a woman Yvette has Balls.
I like Shabana, and it would be a sensible appointment especially as labour women are unhappy that they have not had a leader yet
Also her immigration policies passed yesterday
We will see. But she is the clear betting fav now. Ed is out with the washing. Pat still just about hanging in there. There has clearly been some scuttlebut.
On the one hand Burnham can choose whoever he damned well pleases. On the other he does actually need a safe pair of hands as CoE and Mahmood is not that, in general or economics in particular which she has almost no experience of. There's a lot of vibes going around to do wth Mahmood and Miliband that mostly can be ignored. Putting all that together, feels to me like a lay for Mahmood.
This is the World Cup final tonight. By far the 2 best teams head to head. Whoever wins really shouldn't find too many problems with whoever the other side of the draw throws up. France are just incredible but it is so hard to score against Spain. This should be great.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Hancock got an honourable mention by name. I don't remember whether Johnson was associated with the debacle. Probably not, he wasn't there much, he was writing his book on Shakespeare.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
Why on earth would the Lib Dems be upset by Kemi Badenoch making her party unacceptable to otherwise Conservative supporters who will vote for them instead? Leaving aside whether it's a reasonable policy (it isn't).
One other thought.
One of the worst aspects of online culture is the bit of it where upsetting "the right people" is an end in itself, not even a means to an end. It distracts us all from finding win-win solutions that might stick and just makes the world a coarser, nastier place.
One of the distinctive things about Kemi B is that she's our first truly online party leader. That has consequences.
Gavin Barwell had publicly, repeatedly and intemperately attacked party policy. He then refused to meet the Cheif whip - a meeting where he might have explained himself and come to some accommodation. I'm puzzled as to what you feel should have happened.
Two thoughts.
First- in the Barwell case, withdrawing the whip isn't that much of a punishment. He's a Lord, he isn't facing re-election anyway. Best bet is probably a sneery putdown in a friendly newspaper. As it stands, he's been excluded from a club he doens't seem that bothered about being a member of.
Second, if the problem is GB's behaviour, link the punishment to that, not his opinons. The other commentary (including stuff from the leader) is that there's no acceptable way of being an old-school wet these days. And ultimately, that's up to Kemi. But it's not cost-free.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Hancock got an honourable mention by name. I don't remember whether Johnson was associated with the debacle. Probably not, he wasn't there much, he was writing his book on Shakespeare.
Whatever happened to Boris's Shakespeare tome?
Perhaps if one spends the advance they don't have to write the book.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Hancock got an honourable mention by name. I don't remember whether Johnson was associated with the debacle. Probably not, he wasn't there much, he was writing his book on Shakespeare.
This is the World Cup final tonight. By far the 2 best teams head to head. Whoever wins really shouldn't find too many problems with whoever the other side of the draw throws up. France are just incredible but it is so hard to score against Spain. This should be great.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Hancock got an honourable mention by name. I don't remember whether Johnson was associated with the debacle. Probably not, he wasn't there much, he was writing his book on Shakespeare.
Does Kemi have plans for any of her MPs as well - would anyone have any hints as to who or how many?
My stance would be clear. Planet Zarg is not a good hill for Kemi to choose to die on.
By self-siloing her party in a narrower, deeper hole with a loss of breadth, she will lose the possibility of flexibility for the Conservative Party to reposition itself when the political landscape changes in the future.
It would appear that the increasingly authoritarian and seemingly desperate Kemi is starting a cull of centrists and one Nation Tories.
Gavin Barwell may be a soft and easy target.
I would suggest that the likes of Ruth Davison, Andy Street and other moderate Tory MP''s and Lords and ex Political figures may be about the expose her folly and to bite back hard!
Internecine warfare in the Tory Party and the exposure of Farage as a frit gutless coward may yet prove Andy of Makerfield has one essence money cannot buy "political luck"...
This is entirely bonkers and reinforces the sentiment that the Tories have not started their journey back to credibility.
Kemi is changing the conservative party to one that will not re-join the EU, wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry, and will stop the boats by leaving the ECHR if necessary
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
wants to open the North Sea and mitigate the worst of climate change costs in energy bills affecting millions of working people and also slow down the damage to the car industry,
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
'Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle'
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
In a further effort to rid her party of Lib Dems in all but name, Badenoch announced that any aspiring Tory MP who does not support scrapping net zero and leaving the ECHR will be barred from the candidate list.
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
Kemi has a policy on net zero and the ECHR which is not unreasonable and any aspiring conservative candidate will be required to accept the policy
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
On net zero, she was part of a government that said the exact opposite.
How many U turns did Starmer do in just 2 years ?
Starmer is history. I still don't see the genius in Badenoch you see.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Question
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Hancock got an honourable mention by name. I don't remember whether Johnson was associated with the debacle. Probably not, he wasn't there much, he was writing his book on Shakespeare.
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Adding a disclaimer that one doesn’t agree with her, it’s ridiculous. As if express sorrow or sympathy for her passing without that caveat would imply you agreed with her politics.
There is a cohort of conservatives who do not support these policies, and to be fair the Lib Dems most certainly are a better fit but Gavin Barwell was repeatedly warned not to continue to undermine her and he refused hence her action
Now how this plays out time will tell, but her critics do not seem to be able to explain why she has better approval ratings than Burnham, Davey and others whilst leading a party that had it worst defeat in 2024 and has some way to go to recover public trust
Anyway she certainly does seem to rattle quite a few but I would suggest leaving the EU and maintaining that position is probably the biggest factor in her critics
And when Burnham opens the North Sea in the next few months Kemi will most certainly claim it as a victory for common sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbartLXCYZo
He is a politician; this was 2 years ago.
He is also wearing Alvin Stardust gloves.
The UK has left, and Starmer claiming his Swiss trade deal yesterday would not have happened alongside the others he is proud of including the US if we hadn't
There may be regret, but the way forward is to be an outer associate member but with our own jurisdiction and trade deals
Name me one political party that will cancel it
Mrs Thatcher IIRC didn't keep chucking people out and she met ferocious opposition from within. Heath and Macmillan to name two.
This means that even if the Tories were, in your view, to return to their senses, it would still be meaningless and would solve nothing. The numbers on each side may have shifted a little but the great divide remains and I see no prospect of it going away.
The look on Hesletine's face when he realised how much he was loathed by the membership, was hilarious. The twist of anger when Major was announced as the winner was also one for the ages - talk about a man swallowing wasps.
It's not surprising that following leaders have learnt the lesson of Caesar & Octavian
As I see it the conservative party will not consider any move to re open the EU debate which I fully endorse and wanting to ameliorate climate change costs is where all politicians should be including opening the North Sea
The ECHR itself is under review by the EU who are even talking of a Rwanda style scheme themselves
Ultimately Kemi will succeed if she wins on the economy, helping the young, and stopping the boats
Yes, we have all gone mad. Parliament should have the power to undertake a proper process which could require an MP's resignation which is final.
Whether he could or should have resisted calls to go for a referendum, it was an issue for him for a reason, which is why it passing should not have been as big a shock to some as it was.
Maybe he should have done, then we would have been spared all that nonsense with Corbyn.
Those aren't the policies Badenoch is forcing people to publicly sign up to or leave the party. Those are trade-offs that reasonable people may have nuanced disagreements about. Badenoch is forcing people to publicly reject any steps that might mitigate climate change, as an absolute principle. I really don't know what she's trying to do.
Petition opens on suspension.
10% sign it - by election in which the suspended MP can stand again.
25% sign it - by election in which the suspended MP can't stand again.
I voted conservative all my life (82), campaigned and actively canvassed for them but:
I did vote for Blair twice and have no regrets
I do not know what you want from them, but I do not see any alternative at present, unless Burnham surprises on the upside
Hopefully the Lib Dems are desperate enough to give Lord Barwell a home.
“Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Manchester anymore!”
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Andy Burnham will be told by senior civil servants on Monday that he faces a worsening economy, rising borrowing costs and interest rate hikes in his first six months as PM
https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2077070757683765400
Maybe you could provide the context and evidence of that
That’s a really lovely gesture from Macron .
https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/07/us-military-sent-explosive-drone-boats-into-combat-for-the-first-time/
The end goal is barred, not just the means that may or may not get there.
https://spectator.com/article/kemi-kick-starts-purge-of-the-tory-wets/
See the following Starmer quotes:
"I'm determined to do everything in my power to galvanise growth... That is our most important national mission"
"Raising productivity growth will be Labour's 'obsession' in government!
"Labour’s mission for the British economy [is] to secure the highest sustained growth in the G7".
"Growth – it’s the only show in town"
"our missions are ambitious, the highest sustained growth in the G7"
So how can the economy be worsening?
Unless of course they were a bunch of lying, clueless incompetents with no idea what they are doing, whose tenure has ended in complete failure, which surely can't be right?
After all, the grownups are back in charge.
BETTING BREAKING !!
The new fav for next CoE is SHABANA MAHMOOD
Possible theory?
She's tough as nails and Andy rates her. Markets will like it and for all the softy lefty talk that's important.
Also avoids the bad optics of replacing the first F Chancellor with a man.
Preferred to Yvette on that score. Maybe because despite being a woman Yvette has Balls.
I see nothing wrong with her position
I can understand it upsets Lib Dems though
La croix de la Légion d'honneur.
France 2 Spain 3
Two attacking teams, stronger up front than at the back.
Also her immigration policies passed yesterday
I think the biggest mistake Cameron made was in trying to sell his non deal as if he had received concessions. It just annoyed a lot of people who were on the fence. But no one in the Tory party comes out well from the aftermath.
If only they had listened to me.
Franco was in Spain 1936-1975.
Whether the Conservatives can hope to win without being at least tolerable in Nice England is another matter.
But never mind, that’s not a problem for the average Tory target voter.
Fwiw I'm still a bull of Pat McFadden.
Anyway I bet you've been raging all afternoon at Lady Hallet's adjudication today. £10b lost forever on friends and family unusable PPE fast lane contracts.
Gavin Barwell continually undermined Kemi and was warned
He lost his membership accordingly
“ 🚨NEW: One of Keir Starmer's last acts will be a massive expansion of 'work of equal value' pay claims that are already bankrupting local councils to cover race too.
All this will do is cost taxpayers and consumer more, and encourage divisive identity politics in the workplace.”
https://x.com/clairecoutinho/status/2077021822109810870?s=61
One of the worst aspects of online culture is the bit of it where upsetting "the right people" is an end in itself, not even a means to an end. It distracts us all from finding win-win solutions that might stick and just makes the world a coarser, nastier place.
One of the distinctive things about Kemi B is that she's our first truly online party leader. That has consequences.
Did she name any government minister responsible and if so who ?
Mahmood, the home secretary, is the frontrunner for the role after concerns that the energy secretary will become a lightning rod for criticism" (£)
https://www.thetimes.com/
finalI've watched a lot of games, and I reckon it's the best I've seen in a WC. The refs (and VAR) have got most of the big calls right. And, equally importantly, they've let games flow by being much less tolerant of players crashing to the floor as if they've been savaged by a Rottweiler rather than nudged off the ball. Play on, has been the usual call. The rule changes on things like quick throw-ins have helped too.
We know tax rises are coming but let's get to the Budget in a reasonable time to minimise months of speculation like we had in 2024 and 2025.
The Telegraph considers Burnham to be the fourth worst PM in history after Starmer, Brown and Blair.
First- in the Barwell case, withdrawing the whip isn't that much of a punishment. He's a Lord, he isn't facing re-election anyway. Best bet is probably a sneery putdown in a friendly newspaper. As it stands, he's been excluded from a club he doens't seem that bothered about being a member of.
Second, if the problem is GB's behaviour, link the punishment to that, not his opinons. The other commentary (including stuff from the leader) is that there's no acceptable way of being an old-school wet these days. And ultimately, that's up to Kemi. But it's not cost-free.
After that...
This far:
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They’d secretly rejoice if Nigel was murdered like Ann.
https://x.com/AllisonPearson/status/2077092164849275211
My stance would be clear. Planet Zarg is not a good hill for Kemi to choose to die on.
By self-siloing her party in a narrower, deeper hole with a loss of breadth, she will lose the possibility of flexibility for the Conservative Party to reposition itself when the political landscape changes in the future.