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You know you’ve hit rock bottom when Rachel Reeves is mocking you – politicalbetting.com

I will accept Nigel Farage’s request to be appointed Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead.It is a farce and a desperate distraction, and the people of Clacton deserve better. But if he wants to spend the summer arguing with a bin, I won't stop him.

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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,399
    This is going to be fun. It's already fun.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,857
    FTP:
    Andy_JS said:

    slade said:

    There are 13 local by-elections tomorrow. We have LD defences in Flintshire, North Norfolk, and Stratford on Avon; Green defences in Camden and Lambeth; PC defences in Gwynedd, Neath Port Talbot, and Vale of Glamorgan; Lab defences in Cardiff and South Lanarkshire; an Ind defence in Flintshire; and Ind elected as Green defence in Lambeth. There are no Con defences.

    No Reform defences either I assume.
    High Fell (Gateshead) apparently.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,169
    Hah!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,645
    I just said this on the last thread

    When the Commons are laughing at you and Reeves delivers her best line whilst in office, you know the whole thing is becoming a national joke and not to Farage's advantage as may have hoped
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,354
    Perhaps the funniest thing Rachel’s ever said.

    The old RAG Week organiser in me, would have a whole bunch of students wearing Binface and Clownface in Clacton over the summer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,354

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085

    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency

    Count Bin should run the campaign on money in politics.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,438

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    It was yesterday as well
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    Rachel Reeves has a sense of humour - who knew?

    But at the same time she gets to the nub of the matter. Farage wants this to be People versus Establishment. It's turning out to be Farage versus a man pretending to be a bin.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,354
    edited 2:16PM

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Avoid Dubai, it is very scorchio today.

    40ºC, 50% humidity, dew point 27ºC so as you walk outside your sunglasses steam up, and within about three minutes you’re wanting to change your shirt.

    It won’t be appreciably better until early October.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085
    The Farage end of the pier act gets a special summer run.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,760
    Foss said:

    FTP:

    Andy_JS said:

    slade said:

    There are 13 local by-elections tomorrow. We have LD defences in Flintshire, North Norfolk, and Stratford on Avon; Green defences in Camden and Lambeth; PC defences in Gwynedd, Neath Port Talbot, and Vale of Glamorgan; Lab defences in Cardiff and South Lanarkshire; an Ind defence in Flintshire; and Ind elected as Green defence in Lambeth. There are no Con defences.

    No Reform defences either I assume.
    High Fell (Gateshead) apparently.
    Low Fell = posh, LibDemmy; good pub crawl

    High Fell = not posh, Reformy

    SR, from The Heed.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,760
    eek said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    It was yesterday as well
    The heat has reached Yorkshire today. On Monday I was wearing a jumper.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,085
    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    edited 2:19PM

    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency

    We know where the money went - to Farage - but we don't know where it came from. The Cottrells in particular don't look like the kind of people to have millions in spare change to hand over to random politicians.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,438

    eek said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    It was yesterday as well
    The heat has reached Yorkshire today. On Monday I was wearing a jumper.
    I’m up north today and I would prefer to be in the air conditioned office of my client
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,646

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Pleasantly balmy I would say. Maybe not so pleasant on the Piccadilly line. I love London in the summer, though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567
    edited 2:24PM

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Pleasantly balmy I would say. Maybe not so pleasant on the Piccadilly line. I love London in the summer, though.
    I was at St Pancras and it was like first 20 mins of Saving Private Ryan trying to deal with queues of Eurostar passengers this morning.

    I couldn’t even book an Uber Luxury and had to settle for an Uber Exec.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,557
    edited 2:24PM

    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency

    Hmmm. Starting to wonder if there’s more to the Coutts/NatWest scandal.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 491
    I think this is the third one on the trot, following yougov & moreincommon that has Labour in third place and no obvious Burnham bounce. Or real damage to Farage from some of the earlier reporting:

    PolliticsUK
    @PolliticsUK
    ·
    2h
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 29% (+1)
    🌳 CON: 21% (+2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-2)

    From
    @tweetfreshwater

    From 3rd - 5th July
    Changes with 31st May
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,646

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Pleasantly balmy I would say. Maybe not so pleasant on the Piccadilly line. I love London in the summer, though.
    I was at St Pancras and it was like first 20 mins of Saving Private Ryan trying to deal with queues of Eurostar passengers this morning.

    I couldn’t even book an Uber Luxury and had to settle for an Uber Exec.
    Your pain is real. I acknowledge your lived experience.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,438

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Pleasantly balmy I would say. Maybe not so pleasant on the Piccadilly line. I love London in the summer, though.
    I was at St Pancras and it was like first 20 mins of Saving Private Ryan trying to deal with queues of Eurostar passengers this morning.

    I couldn’t even book an Uber Luxury and had to settle for an Uber Exec.
    Just walk across to Kings cross and get a taxi from outside the great northern hotel
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    I think this is the third one on the trot, following yougov & moreincommon that has Labour in third place and no obvious Burnham bounce. Or real damage to Farage from some of the earlier reporting:

    PolliticsUK
    @PolliticsUK
    ·
    2h
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 29% (+1)
    🌳 CON: 21% (+2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-2)

    From
    @tweetfreshwater

    From 3rd - 5th July
    Changes with 31st May

    I see we’re memory holing the Ipsos poll.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,646
    FF43 said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Just saw this

    Heatwave halts Reform bid to scrap climate emergency
    A council debate on scrapping West Norfolk's climate emergency was postponed after extreme heat made the chamber unusabl
    e


    https://eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/local-government/heatwave-halts-reform-bid-to-scrap-climate-emergency/
    And they say that satire is dead.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    FPT...
    slade said:

    There are 13 local by-elections tomorrow. We have LD defences in Flintshire, North Norfolk, and Stratford on Avon; Green defences in Camden and Lambeth; PC defences in Gwynedd, Neath Port Talbot, and Vale of Glamorgan; Lab defences in Cardiff and South Lanarkshire; an Ind defence in Flintshire; and Ind elected as Green defence in Lambeth. There are no Con defences.

    Lots going on in my Camden election. The disqualified Green left the party and is supporting an independent. The Greens then annoyed local activists further by parachuting in a candidate from outside the ward. Labour did the same, annoying their local party. I'm be at tomorrow's count.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,369

    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency

    Windsor Davies's greatest delivered line lives!

    Reform grandees will be demanding suspended prison sentences for white collar criminals before you know it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,369

    I think this is the third one on the trot, following yougov & moreincommon that has Labour in third place and no obvious Burnham bounce. Or real damage to Farage from some of the earlier reporting:

    PolliticsUK
    @PolliticsUK
    ·
    2h
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 29% (+1)
    🌳 CON: 21% (+2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-2)

    From
    @tweetfreshwater

    From 3rd - 5th July
    Changes with 31st May

    I see we’re memory holing the Ipsos poll.
    Some PBers don't seem to understand MoE and rounding either.

    Have our Aussie chums at Freshwater been BPC authenticated now?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,580

    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency

    How exactly is this 'my word'?

    I don't get it. Bankers questioned the big sums when they were donated, presumably someone checked it, nothing came of it, um...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373
    edited 2:44PM

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Pleasantly balmy I would say. Maybe not so pleasant on the Piccadilly line. I love London in the summer, though.
    I was at St Pancras and it was like first 20 mins of Saving Private Ryan trying to deal with queues of Eurostar passengers this morning.

    I couldn’t even book an Uber Luxury and had to settle for an Uber Exec.
    Establishment woes!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,755
    The next few opinion polls will be very interesting.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
    Last time I visited Clacton, Liz Truss became Tory leader!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,369

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Pleasantly balmy I would say. Maybe not so pleasant on the Piccadilly line. I love London in the summer, though.
    I was at St Pancras and it was like first 20 mins of Saving Private Ryan trying to deal with queues of Eurostar passengers this morning.

    I couldn’t even book an Uber Luxury and had to settle for an Uber Exec.
    I was there yesterday. It was quiet, hot as Hades and I took the (Boris) bus.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Northern softy! It was even scorchier two weeks back!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,636

    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
    Were you campaigning in Frinton?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,908

    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
    Last time I visited Clacton, Liz Truss became Tory leader!
    Well whatever you do, don't sodding go there again!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,567

    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
    Were you campaigning in Frinton?
    I think so.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,544

    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
    Were you campaigning in Frinton?
    The old joke. Harwich for the Continent. Frinton for the incontinent.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,857

    I think this is the third one on the trot, following yougov & moreincommon that has Labour in third place and no obvious Burnham bounce. Or real damage to Farage from some of the earlier reporting:

    PolliticsUK
    @PolliticsUK
    ·
    2h
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 29% (+1)
    🌳 CON: 21% (+2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-2)

    From
    @tweetfreshwater

    From 3rd - 5th July
    Changes with 31st May

    I see we’re memory holing the Ipsos poll.
    Some PBers don't seem to understand MoE and rounding either.

    Have our Aussie chums at Freshwater been BPC authenticated now?
    Freshwater are on the BPC list.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    I think this is the third one on the trot, following yougov & moreincommon that has Labour in third place and no obvious Burnham bounce. Or real damage to Farage from some of the earlier reporting:

    PolliticsUK
    @PolliticsUK
    ·
    2h
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 29% (+1)
    🌳 CON: 21% (+2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-2)

    From
    @tweetfreshwater

    From 3rd - 5th July
    Changes with 31st May

    Broken, sleazy LibDems on the slide!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497

    My word.

    More Reform UK transactions worth millions reported to National Crime Agency

    Exclusive: Bankers have raised potential money-laundering concerns over loans and donations involving senior party figures


    The Guardian understands finance industry figures have raised at least four SARs relating to concerns about transactions involving senior figures in Reform:

    One relates to a £1m donation made to Britain Means Business, a fundraising organisation for Reform UK, before the last general election. Half of the £1m was then transferred by Tice, as director of the company, to Reform UK. Renamed from Leave Means Leave, Britain Means Business is a company that is used to help fund Reform. The £1m seemingly came from the aristocrat and Reform UK donor Fiona Cottrell. In this instance, the Guardian understands bank staff were not satisfied that the funds had ultimately come from her. The NCA has sought help from a foreign partner agency to trace the original source of the funds.

    Two other SARs relate to a loan from George Cottrell to Tice. The loan was made shortly before Tice finalised a property purchase and made a party donation, and was not repaid until after those two transactions were completed, according to sources. George Cottrell is the son of Fiona Cottrell, and is a convicted fraudster, former deputy treasurer of Ukip and close associate of Farage.

    A fourth relates to the £5m gift from the Thailand-based businessman Christopher Harborne to Farage, which was first revealed by the Guardian in April.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/08/more-reform-uk-transactions-worth-millions-reported-to-national-agency

    How exactly is this 'my word'?

    I don't get it. Bankers questioned the big sums when they were donated, presumably someone checked it, nothing came of it, um...
    The bankers checked it and thought there was sufficient cause for them to report through this mechanism. We don’t know what has happened since. Maybe someone higher up checked it and nothing came of it, or maybe there are ongoing investigations.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,636

    Sandpit said:

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Take a train to Clacton. There’s a nice breeze on the coast.
    I’ve been to Clacton once before in 2014 for a by-election.

    I haven’t been that scared since I landed in Baghdad’s Green Zone in 2004.
    Were you campaigning in Frinton?
    I think so.
    Dangerous place; those walking sticks can be lethal.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,369
    Andy_JS said:

    The next few opinion polls will be very interesting.

    Nah, it is Summer. Everyone is on holibobs.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,378
    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Because at that point they are a private citizen and there is no reason they should not do so. Also, the voters may chose who they like and should not be restricted other than basic eligibility criteria.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,369

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,755
    Funny how received wisdom is Reform and Kemi aren't doing particularly well, so all the opinion polls show the complete opposite, with Labour slipping to third place.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,755
    Funny how received wisdom is Reform and Kemi aren't doing particularly well, so all the opinion polls show the complete opposite, with Labour slipping to third place.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,744

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Fixed. General advice I usually follow.
  • CharlieSharkCharlieShark Posts: 491

    I think this is the third one on the trot, following yougov & moreincommon that has Labour in third place and no obvious Burnham bounce. Or real damage to Farage from some of the earlier reporting:

    PolliticsUK
    @PolliticsUK
    ·
    2h
    🚨 Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 29% (+1)
    🌳 CON: 21% (+2)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 12% (=)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-2)

    From
    @tweetfreshwater

    From 3rd - 5th July
    Changes with 31st May

    I see we’re memory holing the Ipsos poll.
    The clue is in the 'third one on the trot'. Two from today, one from yesterday. The Ipsos one was from the distant past, fieldwork last month. It was another country back then.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,574

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
    The person is elected, not the party.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    edited 3:13PM

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to international football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,002
    edited 3:13PM
    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    I agree but it's happened twice in the last however long since Haltemprice and hard cases make bad law.

    In any event, I think a more egregious case was Josh Simons making way for Andy Burnham in Makerfield.

    Speaking of Josh Simons, who ran Labour Together, it's lucky big Nige has no knowledge of recent political history:-

    As Labour Together, the group failed to declare £730,000 of donations from millionaire venture capitalists and businessmen between 2017 and 2020. The organisation was fined and found guilty of over 20 separate breaches of the law. In 2025 it was reported that they had paid private investigators to run a smear campaign against prominent journalists investigating "Operation Red Shield", Labour Together's campaign to marginalize the Labour left.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkLabour

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    I don’t think this is an area that needs excessive regulation. If someone resigns, they resign. If someone stands, they stand. Keep rules to a minimum and leave it up to the electorate.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,369
    Andy_JS said:

    Funny how received wisdom is Reform and Kemi aren't doing particularly well, so all the opinion polls show the complete opposite, with Labour slipping to third place.

    Not on here. I keep reading Kemi is smashing this out of the park. You may all be correct of course.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 283

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373

    Avoid London.

    It is very scorchio today.

    Fixed. General advice I usually follow.
    "When a man is tired of London's transport network, he is tired of life."
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,967
    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    And France. New Caledonia made the inter-confederation playoffs for the World Cup.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,755
    If you like maps, there's one on this page showing how many properties are eligible for the mansion tax.

    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/07/07/mansion-tax-1-5m-burnham/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,755
    edited 3:22PM
    If you like maps, there's one on this page showing how many properties are eligible for the mansion tax across the whole of England.

    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/07/07/mansion-tax-1-5m-burnham/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,744

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
    The person is elected, not the party.
    Yes and no. Many voters vote by rosette.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    edited 3:25PM

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Because at that point they are a private citizen and there is no reason they should not do so. Also, the voters may chose who they like and should not be restricted other than basic eligibility criteria.
    You are elected to represent the constituency for the duration of a parliament. Your only reason for resigning is that for whatever cause you are no longer able to represent them. In that case why are you immediately standing again?

    So I don't think the logic you set out applies to a resignation

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
    Generalising your point - the circumstances under which you were originally elected have changed and for that reason you are no longer able to represent the constituency. Constituents should be able to choose again under the new circumstances, and reasonably the MP should be allowed to stand again under the new circumstances.

    This I think is arguable. It's open to a lot of manipulation. Who gets to decide what constitutes unacceptable changes of circumstances that are made acceptable by another election? For that reason I would go for a straightforward, if you are unable to represent your constituents as-is, you go. You don't have a get-out-of-jail with a discretionary election.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,373
    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Mum, did you just hijack FF43's account?

    (Seriously, my Mum literally made the same point to me while we were watching Countdown!)
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,378
    tlg86 said:

    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    And France. New Caledonia made the inter-confederation playoffs for the World Cup.
    Ireland. Includes Northern Irish players who elect to play for Ireland
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    Apart from England, the highest ranked part of a country is… Wales (#38), then Scotland, then N Ireland, with Curaçao at #82 the highest ranked part of a country that isn’t in the UK. And then we have to go the Faroe Islands at #123 next.

    The bottom of the chart is full of non-sovereign states, with 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th from bottom being various Caribbean colonies, with Guam 9th from bottom and Gibraltar 10th from bottom.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,594
    This by-election has been bumped off the front of the news by Trump's shenanigans. I don't think it will move the dial one iota. But it's too soon to say.

    If the cops get involved that's a different story.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,438

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Mum, did you just hijack FF43's account?

    (Seriously, my Mum literally made the same point to me while we were watching Countdown!)
    The only reason for doing so should be if the byelection is caused by a recall petition.

    Separately I wonder how many people in Clacton will know that if they vote for Farage they will be voting again later this year after that recall petition gets the signatures following Farage’s actual punishment
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,668

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
    The person is elected, not the party.
    Technically true, just like technically an MP can't resign.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Because at that point they are a private citizen and there is no reason they should not do so. Also, the voters may chose who they like and should not be restricted other than basic eligibility criteria.
    You are elected to represent the constituency for the duration of a parliament. Your only reason for resigning is that for whatever cause you are no longer able to represent them. In that case why are you immediately standing again?

    So I don't think the logic you set out applies to a resignation

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
    Generalising your point - the circumstances under which you were originally elected have changed and for that reason you are no longer able to represent the constituency. Constituents should be able to choose again under the new circumstances, and reasonably the MP should be allowed to stand again under the new circumstances.

    This I think is arguable. It's open to a lot of manipulation. Who gets to decide what constitutes unacceptable changes of circumstances that are made acceptable by another election? For that reason I would go for a straightforward, if you are unable to represent your constituents as-is, you go. You don't have a get-out-of-jail with a discretionary election.
    I think that’s treating all resignations as though they’re admissions that the MP is no longer fit to serve.

    Sometimes they’re simply saying, “The circumstances have changed. I’ll let my constituents decide.”

    Ultimately the MP isn’t appointing themselves back into office. They’re asking the electorate to do it. If voters think it’s a cynical stunt they can vote them out.

    I’m talking about the general constitutional principle here, not this particular case. Whether Farage’s resignation is a principled appeal to the electorate or a political stunt is a separate question**. As a general rule, though, I don’t think someone who resigns should automatically be barred from seeking a fresh mandate from the very people they were elected to represent.

    **it's clearly a stunt
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,820
    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    Apart from athletics, where is 'Great Britain' still a sporting concept?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,668

    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    Apart from athletics, where is 'Great Britain' still a sporting concept?
    Tennis, the Davis Cup?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,760

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Mum, did you just hijack FF43's account?

    (Seriously, my Mum literally made the same point to me while we were watching Countdown!)
    You see those people who watch Countdown with their mum? That's you that is. That's you living a rock & roll lifestyle.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,594

    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    Apart from athletics, where is 'Great Britain' still a sporting concept?
    Olympic sports other than athletics, tennis, and, more occasionally these days, Rugby League
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,594
    Clacton will be Binface's Waterloo
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,002
    Conditional pardon granted for Ruth Ellis, last woman executed in UK
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crel4rj801do

    They speak of little else on the streets of Clacton.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Mum, did you just hijack FF43's account?

    (Seriously, my Mum literally made the same point to me while we were watching Countdown!)
    You see those people who watch Countdown with their mum? That's you that is. That's you living a rock & roll lifestyle.
    milky, milky
    Etc, etc...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,184

    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    Apart from athletics, where is 'Great Britain' still a sporting concept?
    Rugby League.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    I don’t think this is an area that needs excessive regulation. If someone resigns, they resign. If someone stands, they stand. Keep rules to a minimum and leave it up to the electorate.
    A resignation is a resignation is actually simpler. It's how things work in absolutely every other walk of life
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    Andy_JS said:

    Josh Simons, okay to resign seat.
    Andy Burnham, okay to resign mayoralty.
    Nigel Farage, not okay to resign seat.

    Only one of those is standing in the election they have triggered, which was the point being made (not that I agree with it).
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    I don’t think this is an area that needs excessive regulation. If someone resigns, they resign. If someone stands, they stand. Keep rules to a minimum and leave it up to the electorate.
    A resignation is a resignation is actually simpler. It's how things work in absolutely every other walk of life
    It’s a massive non-issue.

    Resignations are rare, and resigning specifically to seek an immediate fresh mandate is rarer still. I don’t really see the case for introducing a constitutional prohibition to deal with an edge case.

    If voters think someone’s taking the mick, they have a very effective remedy available at the ballot box.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,497
    edited 3:47PM
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    I don’t think this is an area that needs excessive regulation. If someone resigns, they resign. If someone stands, they stand. Keep rules to a minimum and leave it up to the electorate.
    A resignation is a resignation is actually simpler. It's how things work in absolutely every other walk of life
    Indeed.

    I could resign from my job and then apply for the vacancy created. It would be bloody silly, but we don’t have a law against it. Likewise, I don’t think the answer is to have a law against an MP resigning and then seeking re-election. Not every problem in life is solved by introducing more regulation.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,594
    Andy_JS said:

    Josh Simons, okay to resign seat.
    Andy Burnham, okay to resign mayoralty.
    Nigel Farage, not okay to resign seat.

    Josh Simons, resigning because he doesn't want job anymore
    Andy Burnham, resigning because he wants new job
    Nigel Farage, resigning just to get old job back

    If you can't see which of the above three is not normal behaviour then you really are living in a bubble.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,550
    Fery up two sets to nil.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,438
    edited 3:53PM
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Josh Simons, okay to resign seat.
    Andy Burnham, okay to resign mayoralty.
    Nigel Farage, not okay to resign seat.

    Josh Simons, resigning because he doesn't want job anymore
    Andy Burnham, resigning because he wants new job
    Nigel Farage, resigning just to get old job back

    If you can't see which of the above three is not normal behaviour then you really are living in a bubble.
    And Farage isn’t even resigning to protest against something he’s resigning so he can fight a by-election before his crimes are published in full gory detail.

    And he’s did that in the hope that he could avoid a second by-election after those gory details are published

    And because everyone saw through him he now gets to spend 4 weeks campaigning against a joke candidate who will know how to wing him up and make Farage into a bigger joke than he already is
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,945
    Moron alert:

    We understand why some residents have raised concerns about fly-tipping, but there is no evidence that introducing charges for excess DIY waste leads to an increase.

    Yes there is you fucking imbecile. The ginormous increase in the amount of fly tipping.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy040xxz43o
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,911
    Sweeney74 said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    Because at that point they are a private citizen and there is no reason they should not do so. Also, the voters may chose who they like and should not be restricted other than basic eligibility criteria.
    You are elected to represent the constituency for the duration of a parliament. Your only reason for resigning is that for whatever cause you are no longer able to represent them. In that case why are you immediately standing again?

    So I don't think the logic you set out applies to a resignation

    FF43 said:

    I would make one serious point about this business. I don't think an MP who resigns mid parliament should be allowed to stand in the by-election caused by their resignation. I can't think of any legitimate reason for them to do so

    What if they change party affiliation?
    Generalising your point - the circumstances under which you were originally elected have changed and for that reason you are no longer able to represent the constituency. Constituents should be able to choose again under the new circumstances, and reasonably the MP should be allowed to stand again under the new circumstances.

    This I think is arguable. It's open to a lot of manipulation. Who gets to decide what constitutes unacceptable changes of circumstances that are made acceptable by another election? For that reason I would go for a straightforward, if you are unable to represent your constituents as-is, you go. You don't have a get-out-of-jail with a discretionary election.
    I think that’s treating all resignations as though they’re admissions that the MP is no longer fit to serve.

    Sometimes they’re simply saying, “The circumstances have changed. I’ll let my constituents decide.”

    Ultimately the MP isn’t appointing themselves back into office. They’re asking the electorate to do it. If voters think it’s a cynical stunt they can vote them out.

    I’m talking about the general constitutional principle here, not this particular case. Whether Farage’s resignation is a principled appeal to the electorate or a political stunt is a separate question**. As a general rule, though, I don’t think someone who resigns should automatically be barred from seeking a fresh mandate from the very people they were elected to represent.

    **it's clearly a stunt
    They are no longer fit to serve under the changed circumstances, and they think a discretionary by-election sorts that problem out for them.

    As I said to @bondegezou I do think the suggestion is arguable. But I would go for "You resign - you go. You were elected for a parliament. Don't mess people around. Elections aren't there for your personal whim."
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,547
    ydoethur said:

    Moron alert:

    We understand why some residents have raised concerns about fly-tipping, but there is no evidence that introducing charges for excess DIY waste leads to an increase.

    Yes there is you fucking imbecile. The ginormous increase in the amount of fly tipping.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy040xxz43o

    And there’s no such thing as excess DIY waste. Either you’re doing DIY and generating waste, or you’re not. If councils don’t want people to do DIY, they should say so. And further reinforce our consumer spending collapse.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,211
    edited 3:59PM
    I am not sure mocking Farage over this is the best move, it sort of reinforces his the elites don't care about you and don't really beleive in democracy schtick. Also the press are now all over Farage finances, so you leave them to it.

    If you notice Andy Burnhams approach in the by-election, he spent virtually no time talking about Farage or Reform, rather just stuck to his own tightly controlled narrative about the system not working for people, I am here to change that, and left Reform to shout into the void about fake stories of churchs becoming mosques.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,718
    KnightOut said:

    Trump back on about Greenland even as the Iran war restarts.

    Two more years of all this.

    Infantini really needs to reverse that Belgium result before the nukes are wheeled out.
    Greenland, oddly, is part of Denmark (#22 world rankings) when it comes to internatal football, even though the Faroe Islands (#123) get a separate team.

    It begs the question... would we be willing to give up 'En-ger-lund' and everything it means to us, in exchange for International football becoming aligned strictly and consistently with actual countries (e.g. the 'Pointless' definition, sovereign UN member state).

    It's notable that apart from the UK constituents, the only other non-country Nations to ever make a World Cup are Curacao and the former 'Dutch East Indies' colony back in 1938, so we really are an outlier. If I wasn't English, I'd find it a major irritation. Autist-triggering in a big way.

    (I guess technically some participating football nations aren't absolutely identical to the actual countries *because* of the lopped off bits - e.g. the Netherlands team excludes Curacao).
    I absolutely would for football. I would prefer a British team to an English team.
    For cricket, this is already kind of de facto the situation.
    In principle I would for rugby - though losing three of the top ten teams internationally would weaken rugby union as an international sport.
    The last time I looked - back in the pre-Sky era - we competed as Great Britain in rugby league, and I would obviously very much like to go back to that.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,354
    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Josh Simons, okay to resign seat.
    Andy Burnham, okay to resign mayoralty.
    Nigel Farage, not okay to resign seat.

    Josh Simons, resigning because he doesn't want job anymore
    Andy Burnham, resigning because he wants new job
    Nigel Farage, resigning just to get old job back

    If you can't see which of the above three is not normal behaviour then you really are living in a bubble.
    Josh Simons, then appearing as No.10 Chief of Staff on double an MP salary, having vacated his seat for the guy who’s now PM on the basis of wanting to spend more time with his family, on the other hand…
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,550
    MelonB said:

    ydoethur said:

    Moron alert:

    We understand why some residents have raised concerns about fly-tipping, but there is no evidence that introducing charges for excess DIY waste leads to an increase.

    Yes there is you fucking imbecile. The ginormous increase in the amount of fly tipping.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy040xxz43o

    And there’s no such thing as excess DIY waste. Either you’re doing DIY and generating waste, or you’re not. If councils don’t want people to do DIY, they should say so. And further reinforce our consumer spending collapse.
    So it's really about preventing fraud, then.
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