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The backlash against having more Milibands in the great offices of state than women begins

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The backlash against having more Milibands in the great offices of state than women begins – politicalbetting.com

Yesterday’s there’s been some backlash against this, a cabinet minister told The Times  “You cannot have more Milibands than women in the top jobs. That kind of thing matters”.

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,248
    2nd Miliband.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318
    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,533

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Far too early. What next, Christmas music in the shops? It's only July.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,248
    Russia’s second-largest producer of petrol, Lukoil’s Kstovo refinery, appears to have an unexpected conflagration issue this morning. That’s unlikely to make the queues at the petrol stations any shorter.

    https://x.com/alexbondodua/status/2072545906616946817
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,533
    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Burnham doesn't seem to have learned from his Tory and Labour predecessors about the stupidity of kite flying briefings ahead of an event. You'd think the lessons from the last 2 budgets would have been enough.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,248

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    There’s only 7 GOATs there, should be nine this year.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318
    MelonB said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Burnham doesn't seem to have learned from his Tory and Labour predecessors about the stupidity of kite flying briefings ahead of an event. You'd think the lessons from the last 2 budgets would have been enough.
    There was a time when PB seemed to used for kite flying rather than semi-official announcements. That was a much smarter way to operate.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,042
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    DavidL said:

    MelonB said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Burnham doesn't seem to have learned from his Tory and Labour predecessors about the stupidity of kite flying briefings ahead of an event. You'd think the lessons from the last 2 budgets would have been enough.
    There was a time when PB seemed to used for kite flying rather than semi-official announcements. That was a much smarter way to operate.
    We still do the get occasional kite flown via my headers.

    I'm still chuckling at the idea that I wrote a hatchet job on the Miliband brothers the other day.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,383
    For @interested

    There is also a question around who gets complained about to the GMC [16]. Non-UK trained graduates, including those from the EEA as well as minority ethnic doctors, are more vulnerable to being complained about than white UK graduates [36]. It is possible that an over representation of non-UK trained doctors is due to prejudice. Unconscious bias against foreign-born doctors has been shown experimentally among students [37] and staff from ethnic minority backgrounds working in the NHS are more likely to report harassment and discrimination from their patients and colleagues [38].

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12909-017-0903-6
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    edited 7:56AM

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continues but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,659
    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,883
    edited 7:58AM

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    There's still time for a lady cricketer goat to emerge as England play in the T20 semi-final today. They've already got the Google doodle sewn up. Hmm. The woman batters are each described as ‘batsman’.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continue but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
    We saw with McLaren last year the dangers of letting the points be split fairly evenly between 2 drivers almost letting Verstappen through the middle. Its possible Mercedes will make the same mistake this year.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,450
    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Not if England go out against Mexico.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,446
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

    Mmm. Has Cooper done (or not done) anything that would provide sn obvious argument for putting somebody else in? If not, Burnham should favour continuity rather than putting in yet another minister. Tenures in post tend to be way too short these days. If David Miliband is in the frame then there isn't even the excuse of needing to hand out the top job to a supporter as a reward for loyalty.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,736
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

    She is also very close to Burnham and has been for a long time. Two Milibands and no Cooper isn't happening.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    There's still time for a lady cricketer goat to emerge as England play in the T20 semi-final today. They've already got the Google doodle sewn up. Hmm. The woman batters are each described as ‘batsman’.
    Nat Sciver-Brunt has been incredible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,450

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continues but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
    Sir L is going to need a bit more horsepower, I think.
    Silverstone will make it clear one way or the other, but I don't think the powertrain has enough grunt at the moment.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    edited 8:05AM
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

    But is she also quite useless at doing the job. Replacing her with Mahmood as Home Secretary, after her basically spending a year failing was one good Starmer decision.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Not if England go out against Mexico.
    I think they will but I won't be watching it because its a school night for me. Wouldn't bet against Captain Fantastic scoring though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continue but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
    We saw with McLaren last year the dangers of letting the points be split fairly evenly between 2 drivers almost letting Verstappen through the middle. Its possible Mercedes will make the same mistake this year.
    It's scary to think Verstappen would have won the world championship last year if he wasn't such a petulant twat and deliberately hit George Russell, thankfully Sir Lewis is a brilliant driver and human being, the worst bit of shithousery Sir Lewis has done in his entire career was trying to back Nico Rosberg into traffic in the final race of the 2016 season.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/02/max-verstappen-issues-veiled-apology-for-george-russell-crash-f1-spanish-gp
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,724
    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    A clown for an idiot, I agree stupid.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,659

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

    She is also very close to Burnham and has been for a long time. Two Milibands and no Cooper isn't happening.
    Burnham as PM in charge of the department of publicity, vision thing, hope, comms, Trump handling, war avoidance and HR while appointing ego free competent people to do all the jobs seems to me an admirable way of running the country.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,303
    McFadden was another confidant of Mandelson, prominent in the recent WhatsApp releases.

    Burnham shouldn't touch him with a bargepole. And I think he'll realise that.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,860
    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Given Ed Miliband has implemented the exact same energy policy as the previous Conservative government, a bit more effectively, I would gently suggest the ideological obsession lies elsewhere.

    The basic policy of electrification using renewable sources was, and is, in the national interest IMO.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,724

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

    But is she also quite useless at doing the job. Replacing her with Mahmood as Home Secretary, after her basically spending a year failing was one good Starmer decision.
    She has been totally useless in every post she has held, how do they survive.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    edited 8:11AM
    Russian spies considered Mandelson a ‘privileged contact’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/07/01/lord-mandelson-privileged-contact-russian-spies/

    And of course his big mate Epstein definitely wasn't involved in any nation state kompromat activities.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,724
    pm215 said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Yvette Cooper is the perfect minister in the old fashioned way. Completely invisible, usually polite, rarely publicity seeking, married to someone worthwhile in their own right, moderate.

    Mmm. Has Cooper done (or not done) anything that would provide sn obvious argument for putting somebody else in? If not, Burnham should favour continuity rather than putting in yet another minister. Tenures in post tend to be way too short these days. If David Miliband is in the frame then there isn't even the excuse of needing to hand out the top job to a supporter as a reward for loyalty.
    me Fact is she has done nothing , as ever invisible and useless. These cabinet posts are money for old rope as long as you can talk some bullshit now and again.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,659
    edited 8:12AM

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    An underlying issue is this: A killer for trust is the sense that the rule of law is not being put into effect. This matters more than what the laws themselves are.

    Examples: The story here. Untouchable heads of organised crime. Dirty money in London. The daily attempts to scam via the internet and phone.

  • JSpringJSpring Posts: 120
    Three of the four Great Offices could be occupied by candidates in the 2010 Labour Leadership election.

    In fairness, though, Thatcher, Howe and Whitelaw were Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party as late as 1990, when a roughly similar amount of time had passed since they were all candidates in the 1975 Tory Leadership election.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    edited 8:16AM
    algarkirk said:

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    An underlying issue is this: A killer for trust is the sense that the rule of law is not being put into effect. This matters more than what the laws themselves are.

    Examples: The story here. Untouchable heads of organised crime. Dirty money in London. The daily attempts to scam via the internet and phone.

    The fact that the dodgy 24/7 shops have now franchised the "brand" in Birmingham. Everybody knows. I don't even live in Birmingham and I know. But there they are shamelessly expanding.

    And what is this bloke the BBC found doing....
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,351

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,318
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Given Ed Miliband has implemented the exact same energy policy as the previous Conservative government, a bit more effectively, I would gently suggest the ideological obsession lies elsewhere.

    The basic policy of electrification using renewable sources was, and is, in the national interest IMO.
    The policy of not issuing any new licences in the North Sea was announced in May 26 in implementation of a Labour Manifesto commitment. It was not the policy of the previous government. I think the previous government should have done more to encourage more investment but there was a step change that is very much not in our national interest.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,696
    edited 8:18AM
    MelonB said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Burnham doesn't seem to have learned from his Tory and Labour predecessors about the stupidity of kite flying briefings ahead of an event. You'd think the lessons from the last 2 budgets would have been enough.
    I'd be surprised if any of these rumours are coming from Burnham himself. It's title-tattle from journalists who need a story, and leaks from 'sources' who they claim are 'close to Burnham', but probably aren't. It's hard for Burnham to put a lid on it, though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    edited 8:19AM
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continues but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
    Sir L is going to need a bit more horsepower, I think.
    Silverstone will make it clear one way or the other, but I don't think the powertrain has enough grunt at the moment.
    It doesn't need to be if Mercedes have regular retirements.

    Sir Lewis is the only driver to finish in the points every race this season.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,844
    edited 8:18AM
    An "interesting" (in quotes) interview from a Youtuber called "Friendly Atheist", with a young candidate in the Republican primaries in Connecticut for the state House called Jadon MacCormack. He's good in letting Jadon express his views; he calls himself a "fundamental Baptist".

    He seems to be too extreme for the Republicans who are distancing themselves from him, and have put up a further candidate to stand against him. I need to be careful to get his views accurate as it is quite exotic; he thinks that gay people ("sodomites") are per se a threat to children, and has called for - aiui - the death penalty for people who indulge in gay sex.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT70M0mKaDQ

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ct-republicans-scramble-to-replace-candidate-as-he-calls-for-death-penalty-for-sodomites/ar-AA24Zdn
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    edited 8:18AM

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
    One thing I do take issue with the BBC / CH4 etc, they get their doorstep footage, all good for clicks, but some previous individuals have then fled by the time the authorities are made aware.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,142
    JSpring said:

    Three of the four Great Offices could be occupied by candidates in the 2010 Labour Leadership election.

    In fairness, though, Thatcher, Howe and Whitelaw were Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and Deputy Leader of the Conservative Party as late as 1990, when a roughly similar amount of time had passed since they were all candidates in the 1975 Tory Leadership election.

    Listing those three really does illustrate a sharp contrast between the big beasts of the past compared to today, not in today’s favour.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,844
    edited 8:24AM

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
    One thing I do take issue with the BBC / CH4 etc, they get their doorstep footage, all good for clicks, but some previous individuals have then fled by the time the authorities are made aware.
    It seems to me that he should be on the next plane to France to serve his 5yr sentence, not to Iraq.

    This is one of problems with the gorm-lacking populist groups shouting "why are our prisons full of these people". errrr .. to stop them going back to where they were and repeating the same crimes, perhaps?

    It highlights the question around tackling cigarette smuggling, Tiurkish barbers' shops, and the rest.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    edited 8:28AM
    MattW said:

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
    One thing I do take issue with the BBC / CH4 etc, they get their doorstep footage, all good for clicks, but some previous individuals have then fled by the time the authorities are made aware.
    It seems to me that he should be on the next plane to France to serve his 5yr sentence, not to Iraq.

    This is one of problems with the gorm-lacking populist groups shouting "why are our prisons full of these people". errrr .. to stop them going back to where they were and repeating the same crimes, perhaps?

    It highlights the question around tackling cigarette smuggling, Tiurkish barbers' shops, and the rest.
    According to the article, he served his time in France.

    Despite having served time in a French jail, however, he entered the UK and, when confronted, told us he had applied for asylum and was "still waiting".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,670
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Not when England go out against Mexico.
    Fixed
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,248

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continue but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
    We saw with McLaren last year the dangers of letting the points be split fairly evenly between 2 drivers almost letting Verstappen through the middle. Its possible Mercedes will make the same mistake this year.
    It's scary to think Verstappen would have won the world championship last year if he wasn't such a petulant twat and deliberately hit George Russell, thankfully Sir Lewis is a brilliant driver and human being, the worst bit of shithousery Sir Lewis has done in his entire career was trying to back Nico Rosberg into traffic in the final race of the 2016 season.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/02/max-verstappen-issues-veiled-apology-for-george-russell-crash-f1-spanish-gp
    I was there in 2016!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,883

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
    One thing I do take issue with the BBC / CH4 etc, they get their doorstep footage, all good for clicks, but some previous individuals have then fled by the time the authorities are made aware.
    The BBC and Channel 4 are not state security or law enforcement agencies, even if they do often appear to be a damn sight more effective than those who are.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,597
    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,860
    edited 8:34AM
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Given Ed Miliband has implemented the exact same energy policy as the previous Conservative government, a bit more effectively, I would gently suggest the ideological obsession lies elsewhere.

    The basic policy of electrification using renewable sources was, and is, in the national interest IMO.
    The policy of not issuing any new licences in the North Sea was announced in May 26 in implementation of a Labour Manifesto commitment. It was not the policy of the previous government. I think the previous government should have done more to encourage more investment but there was a step change that is very much not in our national interest.
    Actually it was the policy of the previous government, which Sunak ignored controversially, losing an energy minister in the process.

    IMO the government should allow oil companies to make their own decisions not to invest significantly in new North Sea oil fields. It makes little practical difference either way, and is irrelevant to *energy policy*, but the argument distracts from what does matter.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,597
    MelonB said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Burnham doesn't seem to have learned from his Tory and Labour predecessors about the stupidity of kite flying briefings ahead of an event. You'd think the lessons from the last 2 budgets would have been enough.
    It was well worth exposing this problem by flying this kite.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,450
    edited 8:41AM

    algarkirk said:

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    An underlying issue is this: A killer for trust is the sense that the rule of law is not being put into effect. This matters more than what the laws themselves are.

    Examples: The story here. Untouchable heads of organised crime. Dirty money in London. The daily attempts to scam via the internet and phone.

    The fact that the dodgy 24/7 shops have now franchised the "brand" in Birmingham. Everybody knows. I don't even live in Birmingham and I know. But there they are shamelessly expanding.

    And what is this bloke the BBC found doing....
    Kemi should be proud...

    ..From this information, we searched for companies in the Leicester area that might be linked to Jamal, and found two mini-marts in Blaby - a village of about 6,000 people on the outskirts of the city.
    The mini-marts, both named Candy Corner, are metres away from each other on opposite sides of the high street (by chance, one of them also stands next door to the constituency office of the local Conservative MP)...


    A bit unfair on the bloke, but a quick glance at the local MP's X postings offers this gem:
    Great to hear directly from local businesses across Leicestershire.

    We’re lucky to have so many brilliant entrepreneurs here..

    https://x.com/AlbertoCostaMP/status/2062177437971107987
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,241
    Aint no stopping Pat now. He's on the move ... to number 11

    (hats off to who gets that)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,844

    MattW said:

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
    One thing I do take issue with the BBC / CH4 etc, they get their doorstep footage, all good for clicks, but some previous individuals have then fled by the time the authorities are made aware.
    It seems to me that he should be on the next plane to France to serve his 5yr sentence, not to Iraq.

    This is one of problems with the gorm-lacking populist groups shouting "why are our prisons full of these people". errrr .. to stop them going back to where they were and repeating the same crimes, perhaps?

    It highlights the question around tackling cigarette smuggling, Tiurkish barbers' shops, and the rest.
    According to the article, he served his time in France.

    Despite having served time in a French jail, however, he entered the UK and, when confronted, told us he had applied for asylum and was "still waiting".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro
    Thank-you. It did not afaics say that he had served *that* sentence, and it was well-down, but that's perhaps a PB-antic quibble.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,533
    AnneJGP said:

    MelonB said:

    DavidL said:

    I also have to say that replacing Yvette Cooper with David M seems an unnecessary aggravation of the problem identified in the thread header.

    Burnham doesn't seem to have learned from his Tory and Labour predecessors about the stupidity of kite flying briefings ahead of an event. You'd think the lessons from the last 2 budgets would have been enough.
    It was well worth exposing this problem by flying this kite.
    You don't need to publish it to the world to expose something that obvious. Just discuss with some colleagues.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,150
    kinabalu said:

    Aint no stopping Pat now. He's on the move ... to number 11

    (hats off to who gets that)

    McFadden & Whitehead!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    People smuggler convicted in France found by BBC living in UK and seeking asylum

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro

    The claims too hard to check. It reminds me of the Channel4 documentary from a few months ago, people released on bail sometimes allowed under the conditions of their bail to go on holiday just get on a plane and fly to places like Thailand. And despite extradition treaty, authorities go too hard, can't find them. Channel 4 went to some slightly odd bloke in his back bedroom who using open source tools alone locates these people pretty trivially (same as Bellingcat have done with Kinahans) and Channel 4 were able to get meeting under guise of needing some jobs been done.

    I feel like the authorities are just miles off it with tech.

    Why wasn't the Home Office response "we thank the BBC for their help, he has been arrested and will be in the next flight to Iraq"?

    I understand that people circumvent the law, but it is the State's duty to shit on them when they do so.
    One thing I do take issue with the BBC / CH4 etc, they get their doorstep footage, all good for clicks, but some previous individuals have then fled by the time the authorities are made aware.
    It seems to me that he should be on the next plane to France to serve his 5yr sentence, not to Iraq.

    This is one of problems with the gorm-lacking populist groups shouting "why are our prisons full of these people". errrr .. to stop them going back to where they were and repeating the same crimes, perhaps?

    It highlights the question around tackling cigarette smuggling, Tiurkish barbers' shops, and the rest.
    According to the article, he served his time in France.

    Despite having served time in a French jail, however, he entered the UK and, when confronted, told us he had applied for asylum and was "still waiting".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clye9zn0y1ro
    Thank-you. It did not afaics say that he had served *that* sentence, and it was well-down, but that's perhaps a PB-antic quibble.
    I don't think its a PB-antic quibble, I think the article is poorly written in that respect. You would hope it would say served his sentence for that crime and released in 20xx. Or if he didn't, say so.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,241
    AnneJGP said:

    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.

    I did it 2 days ago and only got one like!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5589306#Comment_5589306

    It's the way I (don't) tell em.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,241

    kinabalu said:

    Aint no stopping Pat now. He's on the move ... to number 11

    (hats off to who gets that)

    McFadden & Whitehead!
    Yay. Good 70s RnB knowledge.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,469
    And yet silence from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milifandom
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,597
    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.

    I did it 2 days ago and only got one like!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5589306#Comment_5589306

    It's the way I (don't) tell em.
    I linked & gave you another.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,241
    AnneJGP said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.

    I did it 2 days ago and only got one like!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5589306#Comment_5589306

    It's the way I (don't) tell em.
    I linked & gave you another.
    You're the best.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,616

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    I am hoping SPOTY will be the 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐 Sir Lewis Hamilton.
    Don't think his car is quite fast enough. The champion is very likely to be a Mercedes driver. But its great to see him with his mojo back after the last couple of years.
    The Ferrari has a great chassis, though it lacks power compared to Mercedes. Hamilton's been highly consistent. Mercedes has had a few breakdowns which will affect Russell and may affect Antonelli with penalties in the future.

    He's definitely a long shot, but not an incredible one.

    Good morning, everyone.
    My hope is the reliability issues that have plagued Mercedes supplied engines continue but key is the fact that Toto Wolff doesn't issue team orders until it is too late and Sir Lewis comes through the middle.
    We saw with McLaren last year the dangers of letting the points be split fairly evenly between 2 drivers almost letting Verstappen through the middle. Its possible Mercedes will make the same mistake this year.
    It's scary to think Verstappen would have won the world championship last year if he wasn't such a petulant twat and deliberately hit George Russell, thankfully Sir Lewis is a brilliant driver and human being, the worst bit of shithousery Sir Lewis has done in his entire career was trying to back Nico Rosberg into traffic in the final race of the 2016 season.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/02/max-verstappen-issues-veiled-apology-for-george-russell-crash-f1-spanish-gp
    Pales by comparison with him dissenting from the FIA's anti-racism message at multiple GPs in 2020.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,248
    Russian bond yields, somewhat inflated in the last few days.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2072572099240087890
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,150
    edited 9:04AM
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Aint no stopping Pat now. He's on the move ... to number 11

    (hats off to who gets that)

    McFadden & Whitehead!
    Yay. Good 70s RnB knowledge.
    As I think was recently discussed, 1975-85 was the peak for variety and excitement in chart music (coinciding with my adolescence so I'm prejudiced).

    If you're feeling too cheery this morn, the ends of M&F will sort it out.

    'Deaths

    On May 11, 2004, Whitehead was murdered on the street outside of his Philadelphia home studio, while standing aside as a young man made repairs on his SUV. There, he was shot once by one of several unknown gunmen, who then fled. Whitehead was 55 years old. As of 2022, the murder remains unsolved.

    On January 27, 2006, McFadden died of liver and lung cancer. He was 56.'
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.

    I did it 2 days ago and only got one like!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5589306#Comment_5589306

    It's the way I (don't) tell em.
    I linked & gave you another.
    You're the best.
    You can have another like too.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,844
    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,860
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    1 Miliband is too many.

    Frankly, I would rather have almost anyone as Chancellor than Ed. He has shown in Energy an ideological obsession and a complete disregard for the national interest.

    Oh, and Harry Kane on SPOTY, apparently.

    Given Ed Miliband has implemented the exact same energy policy as the previous Conservative government, a bit more effectively, I would gently suggest the ideological obsession lies elsewhere.

    The basic policy of electrification using renewable sources was, and is, in the national interest IMO.
    The policy of not issuing any new licences in the North Sea was announced in May 26 in implementation of a Labour Manifesto commitment. It was not the policy of the previous government. I think the previous government should have done more to encourage more investment but there was a step change that is very much not in our national interest.
    Actually it was the policy of the previous government, which Sunak ignored controversially, losing an energy minister in the process.

    IMO the government should allow oil companies to make their own decisions not to invest significantly in new North Sea oil fields. It makes little practical difference either way, and is irrelevant to *energy policy*, but the argument distracts from what does matter.
    Should add it's much easier to decide for new fossil fuel developments as a policy when there won't be many anyway due to the exhaustion of the North Sea fields. In Canada where new pipelines do make commercial sense it's trickier. Carney is OK'ing a bunch of new pipelines against previous policy on a "we need the pipelines, but the end goal is they become redundant." argument.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,853
    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,060
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    Do we have a comparative “burn rate” for councillors from other parties? Might be interesting and instructive.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    edited 9:22AM

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    The West need to annex Kaliningrad.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,807
    edited 9:24AM
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    I keep meaning to use the electionmaps.uk list to chart wastage over time as a percentage of the councillors elected since the last ‘standard’ election for all the big parties.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,241

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Aint no stopping Pat now. He's on the move ... to number 11

    (hats off to who gets that)

    McFadden & Whitehead!
    Yay. Good 70s RnB knowledge.
    As I think was recently discussed, 1975-85 was the peak for variety and excitement in chart music (coinciding with my adolescence so I'm prejudiced).

    If you're feeling too cheery this morn, the ends of M&F will sort it out.

    'Deaths

    On May 11, 2004, Whitehead was murdered on the street outside of his Philadelphia home studio, while standing aside as a young man made repairs on his SUV. There, he was shot once by one of several unknown gunmen, who then fled. Whitehead was 55 years old. As of 2022, the murder remains unsolved.

    On January 27, 2006, McFadden died of liver and lung cancer. He was 56.'
    I didn't know that. A grim counterpoint to the 'up' music, although it's 'Aint No' that I mostly know, a song that creates a pure happy feeling. Top of that genre (if it can be called a genre) for me is Love Train by the O Jays. The melody, the words, the blended vocals ... get on board!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,257

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,213
    Torsten Bell or Louise Haigh would be interesting
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,060

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,070
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Aint no stopping Pat now. He's on the move ... to number 11

    (hats off to who gets that)

    McFadden & Whitehead!
    Yay. Good 70s RnB knowledge.
    As I think was recently discussed, 1975-85 was the peak for variety and excitement in chart music (coinciding with my adolescence so I'm prejudiced).

    If you're feeling too cheery this morn, the ends of M&F will sort it out.

    'Deaths

    On May 11, 2004, Whitehead was murdered on the street outside of his Philadelphia home studio, while standing aside as a young man made repairs on his SUV. There, he was shot once by one of several unknown gunmen, who then fled. Whitehead was 55 years old. As of 2022, the murder remains unsolved.

    On January 27, 2006, McFadden died of liver and lung cancer. He was 56.'
    I didn't know that. A grim counterpoint to the 'up' music, although it's 'Aint No' that I mostly know, a song that creates a pure happy feeling. Top of that genre (if it can be called a genre) for me is Love Train by the O Jays. The melody, the words, the blended vocals ... get on board!
    One of the first seven inch singles I bought. Cracking track.

    Late seventies Disco/R&B is a terrific, if unloved, genre.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,356
    Roger said:

    Torsten Bell or Louise Haigh would be interesting

    I’d love Torsten Bell to be the Chancellor.

    It would give me many great opportunities for puns.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/02/bell-ends-up-as-the-next-chancellor/
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,257

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
    Could you make them have some authenticator code they emit when airborne perhaps?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,844
    edited 9:42AM
    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    I keep meaning to use the electionmaps.uk list to chart wastage over time as a percentage of the councillors elected since the last ‘standard’ election for all the big parties.
    It tends to be much lower for other parties. There's little comparison and personally by now I'm satisfied that Ref UK are in a different category.

    There is perhaps now a clear case to be made that the Ref UK 2026 cohort are exiting more slowly than last year's pro rata number, which could have various interpretations on both positive and negative sides, such as better vetting, fewer paper candidates, Farage knowing that he needs the extremists so being keener to keep them on, or others.

    In May 2026 the Greens were also running at a high level of defenestrations, but on the Pack "Green List" there are none noted for June. I just dropped a comment asking Mark for his opinion.
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176832/how-many-councillors-have-the-greens-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,670

    Five African teams have played in the Round of 32 so far.

    Only one was losing in the 85th minute of their match: Morocco.

    Only one advanced: Morocco.

    So I thought that Congo were excellent last night but they were visibly really tired in the last 15-20 minutes. Tremendous workrate up to that point.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,383

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    I think that is concerning. I also think that current MoD spending priorities don't seem well aligned with this sort of threat. The DIP does have a focus on drones, cybersecurity and munitions, which I think everyone welcomes, but do we need two aircraft carriers? Do we need more fighter jets and to have "Europe's first 6th Generation Air Force"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,060

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
    Could you make them have some authenticator code they emit when airborne perhaps?
    How do you stop someone turning that off, breaking it etc?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,670

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
    Could you make them have some authenticator code they emit when airborne perhaps?
    I'm sceptical of reports of drones. Too reminiscent of the recent drone flap in the USA.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,070

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    Do we have a comparative “burn rate” for councillors from other parties? Might be interesting and instructive.
    Unlikely given this sites obsessions however this Twitter feed had plenty from other parties although not updated for a month

    https://x.com/cllrwatchuk/status/2062180003811676511?s=61
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,853
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    Do we have a comparative “burn rate” for councillors from other parties? Might be interesting and instructive.
    Unlikely given this sites obsessions however this Twitter feed had plenty from other parties although not updated for a month

    https://x.com/cllrwatchuk/status/2062180003811676511?s=61
    This one fairly active: https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/1200/general-councillors-notable-defections
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,016
    edited 9:49AM

    Five African teams have played in the Round of 32 so far.

    Only one was losing in the 85th minute of their match: Morocco.

    Only one advanced: Morocco.

    So I thought that Congo were excellent last night but they were visibly really tired in the last 15-20 minutes. Tremendous workrate up to that point.
    The gap in international football closes all the time. There aren't many teams (England being one*) that can't implement very organised very structured approach that is hard to break down and with the widespread of talent across the major leagues**, video and stat analysis teams can at the very least create a strategy that takes real quality from the opposition to get clear cut chances..

    * this is something Southgate managed to do really well early on. We didn't have a particularly talented team when he first took on, but via Steve Holland, they crafted tactics that were very hard to break down. Where we faultered was then when we had all this attacking talent, we never seemed to be able to maximise that in say the way France are doing.

    ** how many of the DRC team, supposed minnows, have played EPL. Over half the team.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,383
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    Do we have a comparative “burn rate” for councillors from other parties? Might be interesting and instructive.
    Unlikely given this sites obsessions however this Twitter feed had plenty from other parties although not updated for a month

    https://x.com/cllrwatchuk/status/2062180003811676511?s=61
    It's odd how the Councillor Watch UK Twitter account finds several Conservative, Labour, LibDem and Green councillors leaving, but never reports on any Reform UK councillor losses. Some less biased reporting services have been described in this thread.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,807

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
    After that it’ll be rocket engines.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,060

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    I think that is concerning. I also think that current MoD spending priorities don't seem well aligned with this sort of threat. The DIP does have a focus on drones, cybersecurity and munitions, which I think everyone welcomes, but do we need two aircraft carriers? Do we need more fighter jets and to have "Europe's first 6th Generation Air Force"?
    Yes, we do.

    Because threats other than drones and cyber attacks exist.

    Enemies are annoying like that (as Herman Kahn) observed. They always do the most inconvenient things - almost as if they are trying to avoid your defences or something.

    For example, you build drone defences. Nice. Then someone lobs a ballistic missile at you. Whoops.

    Drones are just cheaper, less capable (in a number of ways) missiles.

    And they’ve been around a long time.



    1964, capable of 3500 miles of flight at Mach 3.3+, at 90,000 feet.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,257

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
    Could you make them have some authenticator code they emit when airborne perhaps?
    How do you stop someone turning that off, breaking it etc?
    You aren't going to be able to stop people sometimes breaking the rules. But they are not something to be encouraged, they are easily turned into weapons, used for prison smuggling, snooping, privacy invasions, a noise nuisance and can be dangerous if owners are careless or reckless with them.

    I see Brighton are banning them from all their public parks and public spaces, a step in the right direction.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,807
    MattW said:

    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    I keep meaning to use the electionmaps.uk list to chart wastage over time as a percentage of the councillors elected since the last ‘standard’ election for all the big parties.
    It tends to be much lower for other parties. There's little comparison and personally by now I'm satisfied that Ref UK are in a different category.

    There is perhaps now a clear case to be made that the Ref UK 2026 cohort are exiting more slowly than last year's pro rata number, which could have various interpretations on both positive and negative sides, such as better vetting, fewer paper candidates, Farage knowing that he needs the extremists so being keener to keep them on, or others.

    In May 2026 the Greens were also running at a high level of defenestrations, but on the Pack "Green List" there are none noted for June. I just dropped a comment asking Mark for his opinion.
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176832/how-many-councillors-have-the-greens-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/
    Agreed that it’d be much lower for the big three but I do think it’s be interesting to actually see it as a visual representation. Alas, time...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,060
    Foss said:

    I appreciate some people here doubt the reality of the Russian threat. And, certainly, I don't think the Red Army is very likely to be rolling over the plains of Central Europe all the way to the channel any time soon. But this is disturbing, no?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jul/02/russia-mounted-drone-surveillance-of-european-nuclear-sites-over-18-months

    "The Kremlin orchestrated a concerted surveillance campaign using drones launched from shadow fleet vessels over an 18-month period which targeted nuclear sites in the UK, France, Belgium and the Netherlands, researchers have said.

    "Analysis by the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) of 144 incidents in more than a dozen countries beginning in late 2024 concluded Russian intelligence had operated with “substantial impunity”, leaving authorities across Europe flat-footed and confused.

    "Drones were repeatedly spotted over airbases and airports, yet none were captured or shot down by western militaries, exposing a strategic failure in Nato air defences that the thinktank said had been quietly acknowledged across Europe."

    We shouldn't be able to buy drones on amazon. At a minimum they should be licensed and registered to the same level as cars, personally I'd restrict them much further and treat them like planes.
    How?

    That just means that the bad actors move to kits - the basic bits and pieces can’t be banned. “Possession if an electric motor”?

    Incidentally, the next piece of fun that technology will give us, is the collapse of gun control.

    At the moment, 3D printing and CNC milling hasn’t done this - because barrels and ammunition are hard to make.

    What is coming is coil guns. Electromagnets firing projectiles.

    There are no explosives required - the design at the moment use high end power tool batteries. All the parts can be 3D printed or made from metal rod etc bought from a DIY store. The coils can be hand wound. You’d need a 3D printer, some hand tools and soldering iron.

    Fully automatic weapon, silent, no rifling marks on the projectile and no propellant gas residue for forensics.

    The current designs are a bit lore powerful than air guns - might well be lethal now, but their power is growing year by year.
    After that it’ll be rocket engines.
    The only thing stopping you making high end solid rockets now, is inclination. The chemistry is very very basic.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,070
    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Foss said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone.

    I note that the number of seasonal RefUK councillor defenestrations since May 7 has now reached 40 identified, or one per weekday.

    That is approximately 21 from the 2026 cohort of around 1450 seats, and a to me surprisingly high further 19 from the 2025 cohort of 677 seats.

    There are various grey edges and so on, notably 2 2025 cohort Councillors who have resigned following election to the Senedd.

    I'm increasingly of the view that Farage will be gone before the next Election, as he is well aware that he is standing on a sandcastle with the tide coming in - potentially dodgy donations aside.

    My source is Mark Pack's little list:
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176783/how-many-councillors-has-reform-uk-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/

    I keep meaning to use the electionmaps.uk list to chart wastage over time as a percentage of the councillors elected since the last ‘standard’ election for all the big parties.
    It tends to be much lower for other parties. There's little comparison and personally by now I'm satisfied that Ref UK are in a different category.

    There is perhaps now a clear case to be made that the Ref UK 2026 cohort are exiting more slowly than last year's pro rata number, which could have various interpretations on both positive and negative sides, such as better vetting, fewer paper candidates, Farage knowing that he needs the extremists so being keener to keep them on, or others.

    In May 2026 the Greens were also running at a high level of defenestrations, but on the Pack "Green List" there are none noted for June. I just dropped a comment asking Mark for his opinion.
    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176832/how-many-councillors-have-the-greens-lost-since-the-may-2026-elections/
    Agreed that it’d be much lower for the big three but I do think it’s be interesting to actually see it as a visual representation. Alas, time...
    Both insurgent parties, right and left, need to get slicker at candidate selection.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,528
    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.

    I did it 2 days ago and only got one like!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5589306#Comment_5589306

    It's the way I (don't) tell em.
    I am sure PB is monitored. My comment about Andy Burnham showing some leg made it in to a podcast I watched, I am sure if it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,670

    kinabalu said:

    AnneJGP said:

    That's a real Laugh Out Loud remark! It never occurred to me but it's true.

    I did it 2 days ago and only got one like!

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5589306#Comment_5589306

    It's the way I (don't) tell em.
    I am sure PB is monitored. My comment about Andy Burnham showing some leg made it in to a podcast I watched, I am sure if it.
    I'd be astonished if its not. Its the leading think tank for well educated, politically minded folk who also like test cricket, and hate Cold Play.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 602

    Roger said:

    Torsten Bell or Louise Haigh would be interesting

    I’d love Torsten Bell to be the Chancellor.

    It would give me many great opportunities for puns.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/09/02/bell-ends-up-as-the-next-chancellor/
    It does have a nice ring about it.
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