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  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,836
    edited June 27
    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    Utter tripe from Radakin

    Wartime Cabinet - Why? Which War? Where? what's changed!?
    The role of any PM has never been any different!
    The UK was a laggard, a laggard on his watch - the hollowing out from 2010 to 2024 is being reversed, it can't be done in 2 or 3 years
    If we have to base any policy in keeping Trump happy then the problem is Trump not the POlicy. Tell him to fuck off!
    What nuclear deterrent , an aging system we pay an extortionate sum for that we cannot control. Its obsolete and can we trust anything Trump has control over.



    Yeah, what would he know about the military situation.
    The UK has the second biggest defence budget in Europe. If the UK's military is so crap whose fault is that?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,247
    I note that most players are not bothering to drink during the "hydration" breaks.

    It is a convenient time for me to get a cold beer though.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,092

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    Same but it is a Christopher Nolan film and he is the finest director in the world, extant.
    "We live in a twilight world..."
    (makes the gesture)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,253
    boulay said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    We are looking somewhat ordinary. We don’t have the excuse, unlike against Ghana, that they are playing a low block.

    Serious lack of a cutting edge again. England really need to work out how to get Kane in the game. He's been invisible so far.
    We don’t seem to have that player who can get the ball in the middle of the pitch, hold it then spot runs. And Kane probably needs to stay up more so there is someone for the long ball to go to.
    Well, Mainoo did that a lot for Man U this last season but he doesn't seem to get a game.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    FF43 said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    Utter tripe from Radakin

    Wartime Cabinet - Why? Which War? Where? what's changed!?
    The role of any PM has never been any different!
    The UK was a laggard, a laggard on his watch - the hollowing out from 2010 to 2024 is being reversed, it can't be done in 2 or 3 years
    If we have to base any policy in keeping Trump happy then the problem is Trump not the POlicy. Tell him to fuck off!
    What nuclear deterrent , an aging system we pay an extortionate sum for that we cannot control. Its obsolete and can we trust anything Trump has control over.



    Yeah, what would he know about the military situation.
    The UK has the second biggest defence budget in Europe. If the UK's military is so crap whose fault is that?
    Funnily enough it’s complicated. IMHO the nuclear deterrent should be stripped from the defence budget as it’s such a fundamental cost. It’s not however Radikin’s fault. It’s decades of Treasury, top brass, complacency, the gradual, understandable time shift which has resulted in few politicians and the public experiencing war and so it not seeming “real”.

    I would still take Radikin’s opinion over say, Brixian’s or Starmer and Reeves.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    DavidL said:

    boulay said:

    We are looking somewhat ordinary. We don’t have the excuse, unlike against Ghana, that they are playing a low block.

    Serious lack of a cutting edge again. England really need to work out how to get Kane in the game. He's been invisible so far.
    We don’t seem to have that player who can get the ball in the middle of the pitch, hold it then spot runs. And Kane probably needs to stay up more so there is someone for the long ball to go to.
    Well, Mainoo did that a lot for Man U this last season but he doesn't seem to get a game.
    I do not know of this “Man U” of which you speak.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    Taz said:

    What a dull game.

    Croatia - Ghana also 0-0!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,625

    Taz said:

    What a dull game.

    Croatia - Ghana also 0-0!
    1-0
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    Same but it is a Christopher Nolan film and he is the finest director in the world, extant.
    "We live in a twilight world..."
    (makes the gesture)
    Actually: "And we have no friends at dusk."
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,253
    Taz said:

    What a dull game.

    England are not showing anything like the elan that France, Spain or Argentina have.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,092
    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    A major problem is that everybody has an American accent. It should respect the convention that the good guys have American accents and the bad guys British accents, thereby providing employment for British character actors and enabling the audience to distinguish things easily.

    And proper refiyned decadent Olivier acksents, not some bloody Estuary accents. Honestly, Call Of Duty has a lot to answer for...

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,310
    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    Utter tripe from Radakin

    Wartime Cabinet - Why? Which War? Where? what's changed!?
    The role of any PM has never been any different!
    The UK was a laggard, a laggard on his watch - the hollowing out from 2010 to 2024 is being reversed, it can't be done in 2 or 3 years
    If we have to base any policy in keeping Trump happy then the problem is Trump not the POlicy. Tell him to fuck off!
    What nuclear deterrent , an aging system we pay an extortionate sum for that we cannot control. Its obsolete and can we trust anything Trump has control over.



    Yeah, what would he know about the military situation.
    The UK has the second biggest defence budget in Europe. If the UK's military is so crap whose fault is that?
    Funnily enough it’s complicated. IMHO the nuclear deterrent should be stripped from the defence budget as it’s such a fundamental cost. It’s not however Radikin’s fault. It’s decades of Treasury, top brass, complacency, the gradual, understandable time shift which has resulted in few politicians and the public experiencing war and so it not seeming “real”.

    I would still take Radikin’s opinion over say, Brixian’s or Starmer and Reeves.
    What are the biggest threats to the UK? Are they military? Or are they from political destabilisation? Or from another pandemic? Or from another global crash? Or from a tariff war with Trump?

    We are much more likely to see deaths from avian flu than we are to see foreign soldiers invade the British Isles. Radakin has a hammer and sees only nails.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,247
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    What a dull game.

    England are not showing anything like the elan that France, Spain or Argentina have.
    Yes, that performance against Croatia is looking rather a flash in the pan.

    Panama are playing well.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,625
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Several explosions reported in Sirik, Iran.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,625
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Huge Ukrainian drone and missile attack on Russia currently underway.

    #explodey
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,836
    edited June 27
    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    Utter tripe from Radakin

    Wartime Cabinet - Why? Which War? Where? what's changed!?
    The role of any PM has never been any different!
    The UK was a laggard, a laggard on his watch - the hollowing out from 2010 to 2024 is being reversed, it can't be done in 2 or 3 years
    If we have to base any policy in keeping Trump happy then the problem is Trump not the POlicy. Tell him to fuck off!
    What nuclear deterrent , an aging system we pay an extortionate sum for that we cannot control. Its obsolete and can we trust anything Trump has control over.



    Yeah, what would he know about the military situation.
    The UK has the second biggest defence budget in Europe. If the UK's military is so crap whose fault is that?
    Funnily enough it’s complicated. IMHO the nuclear deterrent should be stripped from the defence budget as it’s such a fundamental cost. It’s not however Radikin’s fault. It’s decades of Treasury, top brass, complacency, the gradual, understandable time shift which has resulted in few politicians and the public experiencing war and so it not seeming “real”.

    I would still take Radikin’s opinion over say, Brixian’s or Starmer and Reeves.
    Yeah but if the UK's military is not the second best in Europe on the second biggest budget Radikin should at least be required to explain why not before he screams for more funds.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    "You see Tenet wasn't founded in the past, it will be founded in the future."
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,474

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    Same but it is a Christopher Nolan film and he is the finest director in the world, extant.
    Seeing it in 70mm at the Filmhouse. I don’t really understand how all this stuff works but having seeing Dune in a “real” IMAX in Australia, I can never go back to the one we have in Edinburgh - far too brutal an experience.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,048

    The Burnham has no mandate argument is utter horse manure.

    He commands the House. Therefore he has a mandate. We do not elect a PM; we elect a House of Commons.

    Up to a point. Burnham will inherit Labour's Ming Vase mandate from 2024. What Burnham cannot do reasonably is claim that his Makersfield victory, however impressive, gives him a shiny new mandate to do something else entirely, and the same is true of winning an internal party leadership election. The last PM who did make such a claim was Liz Truss.
    If over 300 MPs nominate him to become party leader and Prime Minister then he can claim that as a mandate, whether you like it or not.

    We elect MPs, not manifestos.
    Yes, in practice, Burnham can do whatever he likes. What he cannot do, however, is state that either the Makersfield by-election or an internal leadership election constitutes a new mandate that is distinct from the mandate given to the Labour government by its 2024 election victory.
    Why not?
    Because in common parlance, governments get mandates from general elections.
    In common parlance maybe, but reality is PMs get authority from commanding the majority of the Commons.

    And if a new PM comprehensively commands a majority of the Commons he can point to whatever he wants to. And if MPs are prepared to follow him, then that is that.

    Especially when Labour's manifesto was the word CHANGE in size 256 font.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    This is why I hate inverted wingers. Saka should have crossed it first time just then as the England players were still in the box from the corner instead he turned back inside and passed back.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,924
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Several explosions reported in Sirik, Iran.

    Time to go long oil 🤔
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    0-0 at half-time. A little better than the Ghana match!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,048
    I thought that had gone in at first with the angle it was shown at.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,092

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    "You see Tenet wasn't founded in the past, it will be founded in the future."
    I saw Tenet in the past. I will see it in the future. I am not watching it in the present. But that will change.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    edited June 27

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,716

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    the ones his brother aint helped out with iirc
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,189

    BREAKING: Someone just put $67,500 on England to NOT win vs Panama today

    $450,000 potential payout


    https://x.com/KalshiFC/status/2070962998441607645

    This punter must be feeling smug right now.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    edited June 27
    My favourite Nolan is John Nolan, who played the villain John Greer in Person of Interest, he was brilliant.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    Memento, it was all over the shop. Felt like it was back to front.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    "You see Tenet wasn't founded in the past, it will be founded in the future."
    I saw Tenet in the past. I will see it in the future. I am not watching it in the present. But that will change.
    "I'll see you in the beginning, friend!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,832
    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    Time for another visit to Windsor?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194

    The Burnham has no mandate argument is utter horse manure.

    He commands the House. Therefore he has a mandate. We do not elect a PM; we elect a House of Commons.

    Up to a point. Burnham will inherit Labour's Ming Vase mandate from 2024. What Burnham cannot do reasonably is claim that his Makersfield victory, however impressive, gives him a shiny new mandate to do something else entirely, and the same is true of winning an internal party leadership election. The last PM who did make such a claim was Liz Truss.
    If over 300 MPs nominate him to become party leader and Prime Minister then he can claim that as a mandate, whether you like it or not.

    We elect MPs, not manifestos.
    Yes, in practice, Burnham can do whatever he likes. What he cannot do, however, is state that either the Makersfield by-election or an internal leadership election constitutes a new mandate that is distinct from the mandate given to the Labour government by its 2024 election victory.
    Why not?
    Because in common parlance, governments get mandates from general elections.
    Especially when Labour's manifesto was the word CHANGE in size 256 font.
    And 300 times on the inside cover. Nothing about portraying a picture of Starmer as a dull grey figure next to the word change has come back to haunt them though.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,701
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    You'd probably find Memento to clever for its own good - but it is very clever.

    Agree on Tenet. The Prestige is magnificent. Oppenheimer was too long. Needed editing
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,917
    Not sure we win the cricket either!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    edited June 27

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    Oppenheimer was too long. Needed editing
    Classic successful auteur who can no longer be reined in trap.

    Someone should have told Spielberg to toss out Disclosure Day after reading it's dull as dishwater dog's breakfast of a script. And tell Ridley Scott he needs to stop making movies entirely.

    In fairness people did tell Francis Ford Coppola not to make Megalopolis. Closest I've ever been to walking out of a film, so much talent utterly wasted on that dreck.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,092
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    "Interstellar" is awful. I have no idea why it was so well liked. "Inception" was brilliant. I really like TDKR but nobody else does.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,310

    Not sure we win the cricket either!

    What about Eton fives? Surely we’re still the best in the world at that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,832
    @TSE beat him to it by a day:


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    1h
    It's starting to feel a lot like isthmus
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,310
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    Oppenheimer was too long. Needed editing
    Classic successful auteur who can no longer be reined in trap.

    Someone should have told Spielberg to toss out Disclosure Day after reading it's dull as dishwater dog's breakfast of a script. And tell Ridley Scott he needs to stop making movies entirely.

    In fairness people did tell Francis Ford Coppola not to make Megalopolis. Closest I've ever been to walking out of a film, so much talent utterly wasted on that dreck.
    Closest I’ve come to walking out of a cinema is “Inland Empire” and the first Lord of the Rings.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    edited June 27
    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    "Interstellar" is awful. I have no idea why it was so well liked. "Inception" was brilliant. I really like TDKR but nobody else does.
    I'm not on the Matthew McConaughey love that many had after Interstellar and other projects. I don't think he was wasted on romantic comedies in the 2000s, I think that was his natural level - everything else I'm always very aware of his acting, if that makes sense.

    Edit: And I've said it before and will again, Marlon Brando was not good in The Godfather, it was a silly performance that wasn't the slightest bit intimidating.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    Oppenheimer was too long. Needed editing
    Classic successful auteur who can no longer be reined in trap.

    Someone should have told Spielberg to toss out Disclosure Day after reading it's dull as dishwater dog's breakfast of a script. And tell Ridley Scott he needs to stop making movies entirely.

    In fairness people did tell Francis Ford Coppola not to make Megalopolis. Closest I've ever been to walking out of a film, so much talent utterly wasted on that dreck.
    Closest I’ve come to walking out of a cinema is “Inland Empire” and the first Lord of the Rings.
    [Inland Empire] has defied categorization, with its genre being variously interpreted as drama,[3] experimental,[4] fantasy,[5] horror,[6] mystery,[5] neo-noir,[7] psychological thriller,[4] and surrealist.[b]

    Yeah, I can already tell that is not for me.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,192

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    Any other ex military chief wanting to make a name for themself? Get it off your chest now then go fu*k off and play your war games in quiet retirement. If the BBC are going to waste the next few days talking about this publicity seeking ex soldier I'll be more pissed off with them than I am at the moment
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,832
    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,701
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    Oppenheimer was too long. Needed editing
    Classic successful auteur who can no longer be reined in trap.

    Someone should have told Spielberg to toss out Disclosure Day after reading it's dull as dishwater dog's breakfast of a script. And tell Ridley Scott he needs to stop making movies entirely.

    In fairness people did tell Francis Ford Coppola not to make Megalopolis. Closest I've ever been to walking out of a film, so much talent utterly wasted on that dreck.
    Wifey and I SO WANTED to enjoy Disclosure Day. And the first two thirds bowl along.OK. But the final third is dreck. Agree, it needed pulling att he script srage. As I said on coming out the cinema "5/10 See Me. Can do much better"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,625
    @jamesomalley.co.uk‬

    I reckon if England can scrape out a win against the mighty Panama, they can easily beat Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and Spain.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,832
    Jon Ossoff: They worked harder burying the Epstein files than they ever worked to lower your grocery bill.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,803
    Portentous thunder and lightning over the Toon
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,048
    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    "Interstellar" is awful. I have no idea why it was so well liked. "Inception" was brilliant. I really like TDKR but nobody else does.
    I really like TDKR. The entire trilogy was well done.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    edited June 27

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    Oppenheimer was too long. Needed editing
    Classic successful auteur who can no longer be reined in trap.

    Someone should have told Spielberg to toss out Disclosure Day after reading it's dull as dishwater dog's breakfast of a script. And tell Ridley Scott he needs to stop making movies entirely.

    In fairness people did tell Francis Ford Coppola not to make Megalopolis. Closest I've ever been to walking out of a film, so much talent utterly wasted on that dreck.
    Wifey and I SO WANTED to enjoy Disclosure Day. And the first two thirds bowl along.OK. But the final third is dreck. Agree, it needed pulling att he script srage. As I said on coming out the cinema "5/10 See Me. Can do much better"
    I feel like top directors are forgetting the importance of a good script, as it seems to be where they skimp the most - Gladiator 2 appeared to have no understanding of what people liked about the first, and Avatar 2 in particular felt like it took 5 minutes to write despite taking 10 years to make, as on top of being generic etc there were several glaring plotholes that a five minute rewrite could have fixed, or at least mitigated.

    To bring in a political analogy, maybe it's similar to how very few can write or deliver a speech of any note anymore, since it isn't a skill they need to use a lot of the time.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,474
    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,092

    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

    What was his conclusion? I have a mortgage to pay and I need to know if I'm real or not.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,247

    BREAKING: Someone just put $67,500 on England to NOT win vs Panama today

    $450,000 potential payout


    https://x.com/KalshiFC/status/2070962998441607645

    This punter must be feeling smug right now.
    Might be time for a partial cash out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,247
    viewcode said:

    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

    What was his conclusion? I have a mortgage to pay and I need to know if I'm real or not.
    Are you expecting the conclusion to exist?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,701

    BREAKING: Someone just put $67,500 on England to NOT win vs Panama today

    $450,000 potential payout


    https://x.com/KalshiFC/status/2070962998441607645

    This punter must be feeling smug right now.
    I wonder what cashout he's been offered....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,194
    viewcode said:

    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

    What was his conclusion? I have a mortgage to pay and I need to know if I'm real or not.
    Reminds me of seeing a political sticker once with some kind of anarchic slogan on it like 'The rich are keeping you down' and someone had written underneath it 'Yeah! So what do we do about it?'
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    Bellingham!!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    If I have written anything negative about Bellingham in the past I apologise. He is the only England player who seems capable of making something out of nothing.

    And well done Tuchel for leaving out a right back who has won every trophy against the best players in the world and can drop the ball on a six pence and instead putting in centre backs as right backs. A Penny for Trent’s thoughts.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,917
    👍👍👍
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,924
    JUDE !!!!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,264

    Bellingham!!

    You beat ITVX to that. I saw your post just before the corner was taken!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    Just seen an ad for The Odyssey. Looks worryingly like the pile of poo that Troy was but will watch it having loved the story since a child.

    From the trailer(s)
    • I dislike the dialogue
    • I adore the cinematography
    • I don't really know if I'm going to like it.
    • But I'm going to see it anyway (I've seen Tenet in the cinema twice now, so gluttony for punishment confirmed)
    I'm expecting a Nolan film - superbly produced, well acted, shoddily written, and probably going to be overhyped because critics are suckers for good cinematography.
    Which Nolan films are shoddily written?
    2 of the 3 Batman films, Tenet, The Prestige, and Oppenheimer. Several of them are still good movies, but writing is not his strongest weapon (way better than James Cameron though).

    I've not seen Memento and Following, and as I'm not generally a fan of non-linear narratives I probably wouldn't like them so would not be able to judge how well they were written.
    "Interstellar" is awful. I have no idea why it was so well liked.
    Blasphemy!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    boulay said:

    If I have written anything negative about Bellingham in the past I apologise. He is the only England player who seems capable of making something out of nothing.

    And well done Tuchel for leaving out a right back who has won every trophy against the best players in the world and can drop the ball on a six pence and instead putting in centre backs as right backs. A Penny for Trent’s thoughts.

    Ha I wrote that about Bellingham before he scored.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,092
    edited June 27
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

    What was his conclusion? I have a mortgage to pay and I need to know if I'm real or not.
    Are you expecting the conclusion to exist?
    It depends on the conclusion. Plus, if it and I are not real, does that mean I can't read it? Fictional characters read fictional conclusions all the time. Assuming they not-exist. I'll go to the shop and read the ending. Obviously I, the shop, the book, the ending and the concept of reading may not actually exist, but that's never stopped me before.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185

    Bellingham!!

    You beat ITVX to that. I saw your post just before the corner was taken!
    I just watch it on this ancient behemoth called a... TV, I think.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    2-0 Harry Kane this time!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,917
    Never doubted it 👍
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,264

    2-0 Harry Kane this time!

    I was careful not to refresh the screen until Kane scored this time!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,189
    It's coming home!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,663
    Foxy said:

    BREAKING: Someone just put $67,500 on England to NOT win vs Panama today

    $450,000 potential payout


    https://x.com/KalshiFC/status/2070962998441607645

    This punter must be feeling smug right now.
    Might be time for a partial cash out.
    It was!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,474
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 250
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    Italy, Germany, Poland, Spain, Korea & Japan seem to be able to get by without one.

    I have been open to European one with shared responsibility through NATO.

    I’ve never been convinced of the logic the UK puts forward that is right and necessary for us to have one, but it would be dangerously proliferation if Germany decided to build one.

    Peter.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,189

    @TSE beat him to it by a day:


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    1h
    It's starting to feel a lot like isthmus

    In reply to one of my posts.

    Looking at our remaining fixtures, I wish it could be isthmus every day

    https://x.com/BristOliver/status/2070998860084711487
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Of course you do. You are young, metropolitan living in a country that has been untouched by war or its threat in your lifetime. It’s all a bit unreal to you. A lot of posters here remember the Falklands, Sierra Leone. I know we here had pages of advice in the front of the phone book about what to do in a nuclear war.

    My Grnadfathers and their brothers didn’t think there would be a war after the First World War their fathers fought in until it happened and two of them died, the others were all injured and went out day after day or night after night wondering if they would come back.

    We don’t need an armed forces until we need an armed forces and the best way of not having you being called up is by ensuring that the guys who want to serve get the kit and support and training they need to deter anyone from really trying it on.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,126
    Excellent. Although I nodded off unfortunately.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,283
    kle4 said:

    The Burnham has no mandate argument is utter horse manure.

    He commands the House. Therefore he has a mandate. We do not elect a PM; we elect a House of Commons.

    Up to a point. Burnham will inherit Labour's Ming Vase mandate from 2024. What Burnham cannot do reasonably is claim that his Makersfield victory, however impressive, gives him a shiny new mandate to do something else entirely, and the same is true of winning an internal party leadership election. The last PM who did make such a claim was Liz Truss.
    If over 300 MPs nominate him to become party leader and Prime Minister then he can claim that as a mandate, whether you like it or not.

    We elect MPs, not manifestos.
    Yes, in practice, Burnham can do whatever he likes. What he cannot do, however, is state that either the Makersfield by-election or an internal leadership election constitutes a new mandate that is distinct from the mandate given to the Labour government by its 2024 election victory.
    Why not?
    Because in common parlance, governments get mandates from general elections.
    Especially when Labour's manifesto was the word CHANGE in size 256 font.
    And 300 times on the inside cover. Nothing about portraying a picture of Starmer as a dull grey figure next to the word change has come back to haunt them though.

    A clear and undeniable mandate for the switch to Burnham.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,474
    edited June 27
    boulay said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Of course you do. You are young, metropolitan living in a country that has been untouched by war or its threat in your lifetime. It’s all a bit unreal to you. A lot of posters here remember the Falklands, Sierra Leone. I know we here had pages of advice in the front of the phone book about what to do in a nuclear war.

    My Grnadfathers and their brothers didn’t think there would be a war after the First World War their fathers fought in until it happened and two of them died, the others were all injured and went out day after day or night after night wondering if they would come back.

    We don’t need an armed forces until we need an armed forces and the best way of not having you being called up is by ensuring that the guys who want to serve get the kit and support and training they need to deter anyone from really trying it on.

    Did you bother to read the rest of my post, or did you satisfy yourself with the first sentence?

    We have been repeatedly attacked on our own territory and we’ve done fuck all about it. Our economy has been trashed twice by Putin and the IRGC and we haven’t engaged (directly) militarily.

    We could have a whole fleet floating in the South Atlantic but it’s worthless if Radakin et al don’t have the balls to engage. I’m fed up with special pleading for funding for the military from those simultaneously advising against ever using it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,832
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

    What was his conclusion? I have a mortgage to pay and I need to know if I'm real or not.
    Are you expecting the conclusion to exist?
    The candidate is a she and the book is "Could there have been Nothing?: Against Metaphysical Nihilism"

    Most of it is taken up with a long interview with @Leon_VotedForStarmer
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185

    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    The Green candidate for Manc Mayor has written a book about whether anything exists at all.

    What was his conclusion? I have a mortgage to pay and I need to know if I'm real or not.
    Are you expecting the conclusion to exist?
    The candidate is a she and the book is "Could there have been Nothing?: Against Metaphysical Nihilism"

    Most of it is taken up with a long interview with @Leon_VotedForStarmer
    Sitting target
    Sitting praying
    God is saying
    Nothing
    Nothing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTp45IvVOkQ
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,286
    edited June 27
    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Bin Laden was kiiled and the Taliban removed from power in Afghanistan until troops were removed. We need to defend ourselves and our overseas territories as in the Falklands War and protect any nation invaded as in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi invasion and take part in Nato operations, including protecting Nato nations in Eastern Europe from Russian invasion and UN peacekeeping operations
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    Italy, Germany, Poland, Spain, Korea & Japan seem to be able to get by without one.

    I have been open to European one with shared responsibility through NATO.

    I’ve never been convinced of the logic the UK puts forward that is right and necessary for us to have one, but it would be dangerously proliferation if Germany decided to build one.

    Peter.
    All the countries you list are part of NATO or other USA-led defence pact.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    Eabhal said:

    boulay said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Of course you do. You are young, metropolitan living in a country that has been untouched by war or its threat in your lifetime. It’s all a bit unreal to you. A lot of posters here remember the Falklands, Sierra Leone. I know we here had pages of advice in the front of the phone book about what to do in a nuclear war.

    My Grnadfathers and their brothers didn’t think there would be a war after the First World War their fathers fought in until it happened and two of them died, the others were all injured and went out day after day or night after night wondering if they would come back.

    We don’t need an armed forces until we need an armed forces and the best way of not having you being called up is by ensuring that the guys who want to serve get the kit and support and training they need to deter anyone from really trying it on.

    Did you bother to read the rest of my post, or did you satisfy yourself with the first sentence?

    We have been repeatedly attacked on our own territory and we’ve done fuck all about it. Our economy has been trashed twice by Putin and the IRGC and we haven’t engaged (directly) militarily.

    We could have a whole fleet floating in the South Atlantic but it’s worthless if Radakin et al don’t have the balls to engage. I’m fed up with special pleading for funding for the military from those simultaneously advising against ever using it.
    I did read the rest. Attacks in Britain are down to the security services not the military. What would you like us to do about this? Will you put your boots on and parachute into Red Square and give Putin a bash on the nose?

    Do you think military men don’t want to engage? They do but only when absolutely necessary - it’s not their remit to start firing missiles at Moscow when someone gets poisoned in Salisbury because guess what, Russia starts firing missiles on your friends in Edinburgh or wherever.

    You seem to simultaneously not want a military but for them to charge with bayonets when spies do spy things.

    Our military needs massive reconfigurement to focus on proper threats. Our security services have to deal with foreign threats in a different way. Our government has to decide how much to spend and what to target and balance it against which operations are affordable, which benefits are essential, etc etc.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,185
    kinabalu said:

    Excellent. Although I nodded off unfortunately.

    Well done, England!
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 824
    England fans are fortunate your boss gives coherent interviews lasting more than 30 seconds.

    Tuchel in no hurry for his post game pie and bovril
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,553
    Commiserations to Scotland.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,803
    The fundamental problem Scotland have is that they aren't good at football.
    That's why they've been eliminated.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,189
    edited June 27
    dixiedean said:

    The fundamental problem Scotland have is that they aren't good at football.
    That's why they've been eliminated.

    In nine group games across Euros 2020 & 2024 and this World Cup Scotland have scored just four goals, so they are averaging fewer than half a goal per match.

    (And conceded sixteen.)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,474
    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Bin Laden was kiiled and the Taliban removed from power in Afghanistan until troops were removed. We need to defend ourselves and our overseas territories as in the Falklands War and protect any nation invaded as in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi invasion and take part in Nato operations, including protecting Nato nations in Eastern Europe from Russian invasion and UN peacekeeping operations
    Afghanistan is the best example of this logic fail. What’s the point if we will just hand a country back to evil scum like the Taliban without a fight? And Bin Laden was killed in a different country 10 years after the invasion and billions in spending - not the smartest use of public cash from that perspective.

    We haven’t protected NATO allies - their territory and airspace has been repeatedly crossed by Russia. We have not sent the army into Ukraine despite the fact they’ve been invaded like Kuwait was.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119
    edited June 27
    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Bin Laden was kiiled and the Taliban removed from power in Afghanistan until troops were removed. We need to defend ourselves and our overseas territories as in the Falklands War and protect any nation invaded as in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi invasion and take part in Nato operations, including protecting Nato nations in Eastern Europe from Russian invasion and UN peacekeeping operations
    Afghanistan is the best example of this logic fail. What’s the point if we will just hand a country back to evil scum like the Taliban without a fight? And Bin Laden was killed in a different country 10 years after the invasion and billions in spending - not the smartest use of public cash from that perspective.

    We haven’t protected NATO allies - their territory and airspace has been repeatedly crossed by Russia. We have not sent the army into Ukraine despite the fact they’ve been invaded like Kuwait was.
    Russian planes fly into UK airspace regularly to test - would you like us to shoot them down? There are games that all sides play and responses are proportionate. In your world the military we don’t want goes balls deep on the enemy and then what.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,731
    boulay said:

    FF43 said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    Utter tripe from Radakin

    Wartime Cabinet - Why? Which War? Where? what's changed!?
    The role of any PM has never been any different!
    The UK was a laggard, a laggard on his watch - the hollowing out from 2010 to 2024 is being reversed, it can't be done in 2 or 3 years
    If we have to base any policy in keeping Trump happy then the problem is Trump not the POlicy. Tell him to fuck off!
    What nuclear deterrent , an aging system we pay an extortionate sum for that we cannot control. Its obsolete and can we trust anything Trump has control over.



    Yeah, what would he know about the military situation.
    The UK has the second biggest defence budget in Europe. If the UK's military is so crap whose fault is that?
    Funnily enough it’s complicated. IMHO the nuclear deterrent should be stripped from the defence budget as it’s such a fundamental cost. It’s not however Radikin’s fault. It’s decades of Treasury, top brass, complacency, the gradual, understandable time shift which has resulted in few politicians and the public experiencing war and so it not seeming “real”.

    I would still take Radikin’s opinion over say, Brixian’s or Starmer and Reeves.
    Radakin is just making a few quid by telling Sunday Times readers what they want to hear. That's it.

    The article not a masterclass in strategic threat analysis and defence procurement planning, it's a retirement hobby.

    Russia is zero coventional threat to the UK so this panicky, and frankly cowardly, rush to increase defence spending to counter a threat that doesn' t exist is ludicrous.

    If the asymmetric, grey threat is so grave then spend money on law enforcement and intelligence. I wouldn't agree with it, but that at least has an internal logic that is missing from the easily manipulated Russophobe arseholes playing toy soldiers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,286
    edited June 27
    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    I genuinely struggle to see the point of the armed forces beyond the nuclear deterrent. Any actual conflict with a proper adversary like Russia is immediately nuclear. Everything else is a waste of time (Afghanistan).

    We are evidently unwilling to challenge them when they poison our cities or conduct arson attacks on our Prime Minister or fiddle with our subsea infrastructure. We have not engaged Russia conventionally in Ukraine or Belarus. The Royal Navy (or indeed US Navy) has not preserved freedom of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz.

    Let’s confront that reality before we discuss increasing spending.
    Bin Laden was kiiled and the Taliban removed from power in Afghanistan until troops were removed. We need to defend ourselves and our overseas territories as in the Falklands War and protect any nation invaded as in the Gulf War to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi invasion and take part in Nato operations, including protecting Nato nations in Eastern Europe from Russian invasion and UN peacekeeping operations
    Afghanistan is the best example of this logic fail. What’s the point if we will just hand a country back to evil scum like the Taliban without a fight? And Bin Laden was killed in a different country 10 years after the invasion and billions in spending - not the smartest use of public cash from that perspective.

    We haven’t protected NATO allies - their territory and airspace has been repeatedly crossed by Russia. We have not sent the army into Ukraine despite the fact they’ve been invaded like Kuwait was.
    Blame Biden for withdrawing troops and handing Kabul back to the Taliban. Bin Laden would not have been forced out of the Afghan mountains and into Pakistan where US special forces killed him without the invasion.

    Have Poland, Estonia, Latvia etc been invaded by Russia like non Nato Ukraine has? No.

    The UN Security Council voted to give a mandate for the Gulf War of 1990 to free Kuwait, there has been no UN mandate to free Ukraine with boots on the ground (not least as Putin unlike Saddam has nukes)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,192
    DoctorG said:

    England fans are fortunate your boss gives coherent interviews lasting more than 30 seconds.

    Tuchel in no hurry for his post game pie and bovril

    Any Dead Ringers fans-the Tuchel clip is not to be missed

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007gd85
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 250

    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    NEW: Admiral Sir Tony Radakin has written an explosive op-ed for The Sunday Times.

    It is the first time the former chief of the defence staff has spoken since retiring last year.

    He said:

    💥 Andy Burnham must appoint a "wartime cabinet" that will properly fund the military.
    💥 The "peace dividend" is over - and the role of the PM is now a "quasi-wartime" one.
    💥 The UK is "looking like a laggard" in Nato and we are bottom of the Nato league table to meet our military commitments.
    💥 Warned Burnham to avoid antagonising Donald Trump - or else the USA could withdraw its "unconditional support" for the UK.
    💥 Says the next PM must "protect the nuclear deterrent."

    Full words in
    @thetimes
    below 👇


    https://x.com/domhauschild/status/2070935498399629513

    How does one avoid 'antagonising' Trump, when sometimes that antagonism takes the form of objecting to him threatening to invade Greenland and other irrational actions?
    I would have thought the biggest priority now is a fully independent nuclear deterrent, like the French. We only have a decade’s worth before support from the Americans becomes necessary.

    Instead the military establishment are doubling down on their two biggest faults: servitude to the US and spamming money on shite like Ajax.
    Yes, we need to be able to stand on our own, even if it is less expansive that we once aimed for.
    Italy, Germany, Poland, Spain, Korea & Japan seem to be able to get by without one.

    I have been open to European one with shared responsibility through NATO.

    I’ve never been convinced of the logic the UK puts forward that is right and necessary for us to have one, but it would be dangerously proliferation if Germany decided to build one.

    Peter.
    All the countries you list are part of NATO or other USA-led defence pact.
    Exactly so why exactly do we need our own deterrent
    ?

    Peter.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,189
    edited June 27
    Steve Clarke resigns as Scotland manager.

    https://x.com/ScotlandNT/status/2071013206240493811
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,119

    Steve Clarke resigns as Scotland manager.

    https://x.com/ScotlandNT/status/2071013206240493811

    So he’s gone from doing nothing to doing nothing.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 824

    Steve Clarke resigns as Scotland manager.

    https://x.com/ScotlandNT/status/2071013206240493811

    Kind of inevitable, wish him all the best for the future. Questions over the performances can wait for another day. I am assuming there has been a background mutual payout agreement.

    Fantastic achievements to get to 2 Euros and back to the World Cup.

    Serious questions need to be asked of the SFA, not just for the contract extension being announced right before the world cup, but the performance the governing body have put out throughout the domestic season and more recent years.

    A pound shop outfit who make FIFA look like Nelson Mandela
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