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This is looking like a coronation and a new PM by July – politicalbetting.com

BREAKING:It's over. It looks like a full-blown coronation for Andy Burnham is now very much on the cardsWes Streeting, the former health secretary, has folded in behind Andy Burnham. 'Having spoken at length to Andy in recent days I'm convinced that there is a place for those… https://t.co/fSrS8cgEuk

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  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,895
    First like Andy?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    2nd like Streeting
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    edited 10:22AM
    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    edited 10:21AM
    The Tories would have him crowned elected by the end of June
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    edited 10:22AM
    Sweeney74 said:

    The Tories would have him crowned elected by the end of June

    The correct word is 'coronated'.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seat than Starmer in 2024.

    Things can only get better?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,176
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n

    In light of this the whole process seems peculiarly protracted. I really don't see why Burnham couldn't start next week.
    It would be in character for Starmer to leave early after not following his own process.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,379
    So Streeting's deal is to stay at Health? He does seem to see it as his crusade...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    So, Streeting never had the nominations.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,649
    The announcement in my local

    https://x.com/Proper_Memes/status/2068980712431026343/video/1?s=61
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,203
    The Corbynite left was largely behind Burnham anyway, Streeting was the only New Labour option so prepare for a socialist Burnham government
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,649
    bondegezou said:

    So, Streeting never had the nominations.

    Nope as plenty here such as Rochdale, Eek and Horse said.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,411
    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    bondegezou said:

    So, Streeting never had the nominations.

    Yes and no.

    He had the nominations if Burnham lost Makerfield.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    CCHQ are using my puns.

    Coronation Street-ing

    https://x.com/CCHQPress/status/2069003418522300633
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,446
    So when the newly "coronated" Andy summons Rachel into his office to tell her she's being let go, will she tell journalists she plans to cut him up and put pieces of him in the freezer?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,649
    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    Great name for an AEW women’s world champion.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    edited 10:28AM
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bondegezou said:

    So, Streeting never had the nominations.

    Yes and no.

    He had the nominations if Burnham lost Makerfield.
    True but Labour would also be in complete panic mode (for very good reasons).

    Without Burnham it would be a contested election that Streeting triggered and then lost to the left wing candidate
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,979
    Starmer care about Starmer . He threw colleagues to the wolves and civil servants. He must go down as one of the worst MPs possibly eclipsing the utterly useless Brown as the worst PM since my teens.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    Taz said:

    bondegezou said:

    So, Streeting never had the nominations.

    Nope as plenty here such as Rochdale, Eek and Horse said.
    You feel if he had he would have gone for it weeks ago.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,766
    LostPassword said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    Remember that the BBC forecast is ultimately derived from a global US model, while the Met Office forecast uses a much higher resolution UK model (nested within a European model, nested within a global model).

    The Met Office global model is also better than the US global model.

    Most of the time you would expect the Met Office forecast to be more accurate.
    The BBC announced a year ago that they were going back to the Met Office - though it’s hard to find confirmation that the changeover has completed.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    Do have to laugh. Had the Tories not become ever more outrageous in (a) binning the PM at will and (b) insisting the replacement was a "new government" this would have been so much harder for Labour
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,611
    @rolandmcs.bsky.social‬

    Imagine predicting today's events in July 2024. Now that would have been a take.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    A Cloggie.

    She was on Blind Date.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    The Tories would have him crowned elected by the end of June

    The correct word is 'coronated'.
    “Coronated” implies a reign. These days a PM is closer to a limited-time promotional offer.
    I’ll settle for “appointed until further notice”.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    edited 10:29AM
    “Fourth Industrial Revolution”? Presumably this is AI, with the first being making clothes in Yorkshire mills and the third the birth of IT. What was the second? Motor transport?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,411
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    A Cloggie.

    She was on Blind Date.
    Yes I saw that story. She sounds like an interesting character .
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    Typical leftie - British women not good enough for him.*

    *Joke. I'm sad I need to label this as a joke, but some one here...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,465
    Streeting probably did have the nominations, but knew he would lose with the members.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    edited 10:31AM
    turbotubbs said:

    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    Typical leftie - British women not good enough for him.*

    *Joke. I'm sad I need to label this as a joke, but some one here...
    See also Nigel Farage (partners have been Irish, German and now French)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,172
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Do have to laugh. Had the Tories not become ever more outrageous in (a) binning the PM at will and (b) insisting the replacement was a "new government" this would have been so much harder for Labour

    It was always going to be easy. They have a majority of around 150 in a Parliamentary system. That's the way it works. Anyone claiming there should be an election is being merely performative.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,171
    squareroot2 said:

    Starmer care about Starmer . He threw colleagues to the wolves and civil servants. He must go down as one of the worst MPs possibly eclipsing the utterly useless Brown as the worst PM since my teens.

    Was your favourite Johnson or Truss?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,699
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,176
    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paulbrand.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Wes Streeting folds in behind Andy Burnham.

    Burnham looks set to be Prime Minister in July.

    https://bsky.app/profile/paulbrand.bsky.social/post/3mounfcqac22n

    He should have waited a bit to make it less obvious.
    Why? The whole point is to stop this going into a contested election.
    Streeting doesn't bring much to the table in that respect. He didn't have the numbers anyway.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,087
    Greetings from da North Ilford Ghetto!

    Wes is fully 7 years younger than yours truly.

    Plenty of time for him to become Labour Leader, if not PM, in the 2030s.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,149
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    . The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    I take it the fact he was a grade A disaster is the reason you mention it
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Do have to laugh. Had the Tories not become ever more outrageous in (a) binning the PM at will and (b) insisting the replacement was a "new government" this would have been so much harder for Labour

    It was always going to be easy. They have a majority of around 150 in a Parliamentary system. That's the way it works. Anyone claiming there should be an election is being merely performative.
    Constitutionally? No problem. As you say.

    Politically? Should be impossible. He's not even an MP. He's an upstart corporal from Austria FFS who does he think he is?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Greetings from da North Ilford Ghetto!

    Wes is fully 7 years younger than yours truly.

    Plenty of time for him to become Labour Leader, if not PM, in the 2030s.

    Next LOTO?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,979
    Mexicanpete said:

    squareroot2 said:

    Starmer care about Starmer . He threw colleagues to the wolves and civil servants. He must go down as one of the worst MPs possibly eclipsing the utterly useless Brown as the worst PM since my teens.

    Was your favourite Johnson or Truss?
    Maggie
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,649
    Scott_xP said:

    @rolandmcs.bsky.social‬

    Imagine predicting today's events in July 2024. Now that would have been a take.

    Not quite forecast but prescient all the same

    https://x.com/michaellcrick/status/2068983803935064567?s=61
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,446
    edited 10:35AM
    Foss said:

    LostPassword said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    Remember that the BBC forecast is ultimately derived from a global US model, while the Met Office forecast uses a much higher resolution UK model (nested within a European model, nested within a global model).

    The Met Office global model is also better than the US global model.

    Most of the time you would expect the Met Office forecast to be more accurate.
    The BBC announced a year ago that they were going back to the Met Office - though it’s hard to find confirmation that the changeover has completed.
    In reality they all look at all the models. The Met Office lean mainly on ECMWF and their own MetO model plus high Res UKV, but they pay plenty of attention to other models, particularly the French Arome ultra high Res.

    The US GFS model is the most ubiquitous despite being only the 3rd or 4th best global model because, being military funded, it provides loads of data to the public for free.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    Under a PM from the dump.

    PM Burnham and COTE Streeting represents awesomeness of a scale most cannot comprehend.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,543
    So a coronation. Is Burnham the new Brown?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,087
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    Under a PM from the dump.

    PM Burnham and COTE Streeting represents awesomeness of a scale most cannot comprehend.
    Did you just Cam in your pants? 🤣
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    There's £63 sitting at 1.82 on BF if you think Streeting is now defo going to CoE.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,766
    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    Until mid September.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    October.

    I think the fundamental problems are still there regardless of who is in Number 10.

    One thing I did read over the weekend is that Burnham isn't going to be shy in calling out Farage & Lowe from their bigotry and inflammatory language.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    So a coronation. Is Burnham the new Brown?

    The new Sunak.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    Leaving from Piccadilly not Wigan North Western?
    Hmm...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,572
    Foss said:

    LostPassword said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    Remember that the BBC forecast is ultimately derived from a global US model, while the Met Office forecast uses a much higher resolution UK model (nested within a European model, nested within a global model).

    The Met Office global model is also better than the US global model.

    Most of the time you would expect the Met Office forecast to be more accurate.
    The BBC announced a year ago that they were going back to the Met Office - though it’s hard to find confirmation that the changeover has completed.
    Sounds like it's not as simple as that.

    "BBC News understands it is not a commercial relationship involving procurement, but an agreement between the two organisations in the interests of public service."

    Not seeing any press releases from the Met Office updating what this means in practice.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,968
    What odds on Streeting being first out of the Cabinet?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,171
    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    Burnham has lost the Mail, the Telegraph, the Express, the Sun, the Star, GB News, Talk TV and more importantly X already.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    Will sum up the state of the nation if the Chosen One arrives to take the Capital on a rail replacement bus.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    rottenborough said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    There's £63 sitting at 1.82 on BF if you think Streeting is now defo going to CoE.
    I've already got him on decent odds before, not as tasty as Ed Miliband but still pretty good.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,398
    rottenborough said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    There's £63 sitting at 1.82 on BF if you think Streeting is now defo going to CoE.
    Why not. Wes is moderate. He's unlikely to spook the markets
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,968
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GarethoftheVale2 said:

    So a coronation. Is Burnham the new Brown?

    The new Sunak.
    Sunak only lost one leadership election
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    15m
    Sounds as if Streeting is going to be chancellor
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    FPT:
    I don’t like Andy Burnham. I’ve said so on these pages several times and don’t intend to revisit the argument.

    However.

    If he is to be the next PM, and if he is to effect meaningful change, then I wish him well. I want the government to succeed. Only a churl would actively wish it to fail.

    The country can seem ungovernable at times, but that is a symptom rather than a cause of our malaise. When people feel poorer, when standards appear to be slipping, and when government seems cloth-eared to the national mood on issue after issue, no leader or party is given anything resembling a fair hearing.

    Labour’s shallow landslide was evidence of this: more a reaction to the Tory omni-shambles than a wholehearted endorsement of Labour’s programme.

    Labour can turn this around, but not by persisting with Starmer-style managerialism. Can Burnham bring some of Manchester with him? Can he offer a clearer sense of direction and purpose? Can he make any real difference?

    I remain sceptical, but I wish him well.

    ---
    As for honeymoon, that rather depends on how well England do at the WC...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,176
    rottenborough said:

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    15m
    Sounds as if Streeting is going to be chancellor

    That's why it was a mistake for Streeting to put out that statement. It encourages the left/Miliband to create a contest.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,089
    As I'm trying to avoid some extremely dull admin. Thought I'd plot the durations of UK PM's going back ~200 years - and a second with the outliers removed just to see if it made things more obvious.

    Plot of all

    Outliers removed

    I'm sure someone's probably done this before - but it was more fun than admin. Average tenure of about 3yrs makes the last few years seem a little less 'out there'.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    RochdalePioneers said:

    rottenborough said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    There's £63 sitting at 1.82 on BF if you think Streeting is now defo going to CoE.
    Why not. Wes is moderate. He's unlikely to spook the markets
    His letter today indicates that he'll be more business friendly**

    **YMMV
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,649
    Fair play to the Trumpdozer. He broke the news today and I’m sure SKS is reassured by his best wishes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    MelonB said:

    Foss said:

    LostPassword said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FeersumEnjineeya said:

    I see the Met Office has just upped its heat warning for Wednesday and Thursday to red. They're forecasting 39C here in the midlands.

    Yet the BBC says 35 degrees in B'ham as the peak temperature. That's a significant difference.
    Remember that the BBC forecast is ultimately derived from a global US model, while the Met Office forecast uses a much higher resolution UK model (nested within a European model, nested within a global model).

    The Met Office global model is also better than the US global model.

    Most of the time you would expect the Met Office forecast to be more accurate.
    The BBC announced a year ago that they were going back to the Met Office - though it’s hard to find confirmation that the changeover has completed.
    In reality they all look at all the models. The Met Office lean mainly on ECMWF and their own MetO model plus high Res UKV, but they pay plenty of attention to other models, particularly the French Arome ultra high Res.

    The US GFS model is the most ubiquitous despite being only the 3rd or 4th best global model because, being military funded, it provides loads of data to the public for free.
    Yes the obsessive model watchers (I mean who would be so obsessed by something that they waste their lives posting on minutiae on obscure blogs most of the day?) far too often get sucked in by the frequency of GFS and its extended runs, forgetting its actual performance.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico

    Remember: whoever replaces Starmer (eg Burnham) will very probably be even worse. We're going to be looking back upon 2024/25 fondly soon, perhaps as "the last time things seemed like they might eventually become OK".

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/2068998025603653640
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,137
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    We come here for your sense of humour.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    Sweeney74 said:

    The Tories would have him crowned elected by the end of June

    Truss to Sunak was five days, that’s how quickly it can be done.

    So who else in the PLP might be close to getting 81 nominations? Will someone like Al Carns or Ang Rayner have a go?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    Under a PM from the dump.

    PM Burnham and COTE Streeting represents awesomeness of a scale most cannot comprehend.
    Neither of them ever done a proper job, tho
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    Sweeney74 said:

    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    FPT:
    I don’t like Andy Burnham. I’ve said so on these pages several times and don’t intend to revisit the argument.

    However.

    If he is to be the next PM, and if he is to effect meaningful change, then I wish him well. I want the government to succeed. Only a churl would actively wish it to fail.

    The country can seem ungovernable at times, but that is a symptom rather than a cause of our malaise. When people feel poorer, when standards appear to be slipping, and when government seems cloth-eared to the national mood on issue after issue, no leader or party is given anything resembling a fair hearing.

    Labour’s shallow landslide was evidence of this: more a reaction to the Tory omni-shambles than a wholehearted endorsement of Labour’s programme.

    Labour can turn this around, but not by persisting with Starmer-style managerialism. Can Burnham bring some of Manchester with him? Can he offer a clearer sense of direction and purpose? Can he make any real difference?

    I remain sceptical, but I wish him well.

    ---
    As for honeymoon, that rather depends on how well England do at the WC...
    I think too many have failed to critically analyse what Starmer's 'landslide' actually was. How we used to complain about Tory government majorities lacking a mandate because less that 40% of the vote got them their. Its hard to make the case that Starmer and Labour won the argument in 2024. Firstly because they didn't make any points in the discussion (Ming Vase) and because in reality they left because the Tories mum called them home for tea. Starmer may believe he had a mandate but what did he do with it?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    edited 10:47AM
    ohnotnow said:

    As I'm trying to avoid some extremely dull admin. Thought I'd plot the durations of UK PM's going back ~200 years - and a second with the outliers removed just to see if it made things more obvious.

    Plot of all

    Outliers removed

    I'm sure someone's probably done this before - but it was more fun than admin. Average tenure of about 3yrs makes the last few years seem a little less 'out there'.

    It's the three PM's in 28 years that is the stonking outlier.
    But that's the politics most of us grew up under. So it seems normal.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    Streeting never had the numbers.

    I wonder if he is now odds on for chancellor?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Mexicanpete said:

    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    Burnham has lost the Mail, the Telegraph, the Express, the Sun, the Star, GB News, Talk TV and more importantly X already.
    HMG should stop putting its stuff out on X, which increasingly is used to steer British users towards Lowe’s extremists
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    rottenborough said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    There's £63 sitting at 1.82 on BF if you think Streeting is now defo going to CoE.
    I've already got him on decent odds before, not as tasty as Ed Miliband but still pretty good.
    I'm on him at 5.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,137
    Sweeney74 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    The Tories would have him crowned elected by the end of June

    The correct word is 'coronated'.
    “Coronated” implies a reign. These days a PM is closer to a limited-time promotional offer.
    I’ll settle for “appointed until further notice”.
    Perhaps Burnham is just the OF bit of prime ministerial BOGOF ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,732
    Burnham now 1/50 on both leader and next PM market on BF.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,572
    About that missile strike on the factory in Voronezh that makes microelectronics for Russian missiles...

    Ukraine’s General Staff confirms Air Force strikes on a Voronezh plant producing electronics for Russian Iskander and Kh-101 missiles. High-precision air-launched cruise missiles hit the facility, which manufactures transistor assemblies, semiconductor arrays for Iskander-K 9M727 missiles and components for Pantsir-S1 systems.

    Voronezh is ~300km from Kharkiv. Range of Storm Shadow is 550km.

    I don't know of Ukraine having any other, "High-precision air-launched cruise missiles.." available to it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Do have to laugh. Had the Tories not become ever more outrageous in (a) binning the PM at will and (b) insisting the replacement was a "new government" this would have been so much harder for Labour

    It was always going to be easy. They have a majority of around 150 in a Parliamentary system. That's the way it works. Anyone claiming there should be an election is being merely performative.
    There’s always a Tweet though:

    https://x.com/andyburnhamgm/status/1547115228885929984

    “We need to start demanding a General Election at the end of this Tory leadership election.“ 13/07/2022
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,029
    The more I think about it, Sir Keir Starmer is a bit like Sir Winston Churchill.

    Churchill was a brilliant wartime PM but a terrible peacetime PM.

    Starmer decent LOTO but woeful PM.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,176
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The more I think about it, Sir Keir Starmer is a bit like Sir Winston Churchill.

    Churchill was a brilliant wartime PM but a terrible peacetime PM.

    Starmer decent LOTO but woeful PM.

    He did well against Rishi Sunak but struggled against Kemi.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,545
    rottenborough said:

    Burnham now 1/50 on both leader and next PM market on BF.

    I got on him at 3.25 so a tasty profit
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,101
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    Do have to laugh. Had the Tories not become ever more outrageous in (a) binning the PM at will and (b) insisting the replacement was a "new government" this would have been so much harder for Labour

    It was always going to be easy. They have a majority of around 150 in a Parliamentary system. That's the way it works. Anyone claiming there should be an election is being merely performative.
    There’s always a Tweet though:

    https://x.com/andyburnhamgm/status/1547115228885929984

    “We need to start demanding a General Election at the end of this Tory leadership election.“ 13/07/2022
    Kemi can demand it all she likes
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,989
    LostPassword said:

    About that missile strike on the factory in Voronezh that makes microelectronics for Russian missiles...

    Ukraine’s General Staff confirms Air Force strikes on a Voronezh plant producing electronics for Russian Iskander and Kh-101 missiles. High-precision air-launched cruise missiles hit the facility, which manufactures transistor assemblies, semiconductor arrays for Iskander-K 9M727 missiles and components for Pantsir-S1 systems.

    Voronezh is ~300km from Kharkiv. Range of Storm Shadow is 550km.

    I don't know of Ukraine having any other, "High-precision air-launched cruise missiles.." available to it.

    Storm Shadow isn’t supposed to be in ‘proper’ Russia. I wonder what they used.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    The Tories would have him crowned elected by the end of June

    Truss to Sunak was five days, that’s how quickly it can be done.

    So who else in the PLP might be close to getting 81 nominations? Will someone like Al Carns or Ang Rayner have a go?
    Rayner is as close to a Burnhamite as it is possible.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,612
    Labour, stop fannying around. Get Burnham in Downing Street pronto.

    The current Cabinet should see to it. Their chance to show loyalty to the new Dear Leader.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,152
    edited 10:54AM
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    Under a PM from the dump.

    PM Burnham and COTE Streeting represents awesomeness of a scale most cannot comprehend.
    Neither of them ever done a proper job, tho
    I am not sure there's much evidence that politicians who have had "a proper job" are any more competent. Starmer is the obvious example.

    But both Burnham and Streeting have political nous, which is probably more useful.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,201
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The more I think about it, Sir Keir Starmer is a bit like Sir Winston Churchill.

    Churchill was a brilliant wartime PM but a terrible peacetime PM.

    Starmer decent LOTO but woeful PM.

    My hunch is that Starmer will be remembered for returning Labour to the centre and winning a landslide. Not a bad contribution. Obviously the right and left will continue to whinge about him for exactly these reasons.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 717
    MarqueeMark said:

    Labour, stop fannying around. Get Burnham in Downing Street pronto.

    The current Cabinet should see to it. Their chance to show loyalty to the new Dear Leader.

    I expect half of them at least will be out on their ear,
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,245
    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    Oddly, Marie-France is Dutch.

    So, I believe I was at university with Burnham. Did he start in 1988?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,465
    Stanley Baldwin was the last PM who went to Cambridge University.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,176
    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2069001644428100092

    If you're not running, what are we waiting for?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,733
    IanB2 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    Under a PM from the dump.

    PM Burnham and COTE Streeting represents awesomeness of a scale most cannot comprehend.
    Neither of them ever done a proper job, tho
    Running a City of 3 million isn't a proper job, then?
    Much better to have a lettings agent or derivatives trader.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,895
    I would be content with Wes as Chancellor. It's more good experience and a stepping stone for him, he still, at 43, as time to become leader/PM at a later date.

    For Andy (56?) it needs to be now.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,506
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    I went to university in Cambridge. I didn't go to Cambridge University, though.

    Anglia Ruskin; Almost (a) Real University!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,087
    edited 10:55AM
    bondegezou said:

    nico67 said:

    Burnhams wife has a great name . Marie-France van Heel !

    Sounds very regal .

    Oddly, Marie-France is Dutch.

    So, I believe I was at university with Burnham. Did he start in 1988?
    Wonder if she's related to Marin van Heel. He was a professor during my undergrad at Imperial.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,551
    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    Where will he struggle?

    Areas where Burnham might find it hard to decide and communicate.

    Firstly where, for reasons of incentive you have to decide to not give extra money to the poorest because you have to keep it for the rich. (Eg not aligning capital gains and IT/NI rates), and where you have to directly tax people because employment costs are crashing the entry level/low pay jobs market.

    Secondly where you can't give extra money to the poorest because the government has cash of minus £3trillion and also needs to spend a trillion more on wars that haven't started and may never.

    I think his history and language suggests to socialists that at heart he has a socialist mindset. He is either going to disappoint them, or he is going to disappoint those who live in reality.

    It won't be long before the thought sets in that on this very day the public and political class have made an irrevocable decision based on almost zero evidence but an extraordinary surge of zeitgeist about someone the public know almost nothing about.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,699
    BlancheLivermore said:

    What odds on Streeting being first out of the Cabinet?

    Be careful because at the moment Streeting is not in the Cabinet and any "first out" markets likely refer to Starmer's team.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,465
    edited 10:56AM
    rottenborough said:

    How long are we giving the honeymoon?

    A month? Two months? Over by Xmas?

    The problem is a potential honeymoon is in danger of being wasted over the next 4 weeks.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,171
    williamglenn said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    The more I think about it, Sir Keir Starmer is a bit like Sir Winston Churchill.

    Churchill was a brilliant wartime PM but a terrible peacetime PM.

    Starmer decent LOTO but woeful PM.

    He did well against Rishi Sunak but struggled against Kemi.
    I wish you would tee up your posts when they are clearly jokes.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,466
    LostPassword said:

    About that missile strike on the factory in Voronezh that makes microelectronics for Russian missiles...

    Ukraine’s General Staff confirms Air Force strikes on a Voronezh plant producing electronics for Russian Iskander and Kh-101 missiles. High-precision air-launched cruise missiles hit the facility, which manufactures transistor assemblies, semiconductor arrays for Iskander-K 9M727 missiles and components for Pantsir-S1 systems.

    Voronezh is ~300km from Kharkiv. Range of Storm Shadow is 550km.

    I don't know of Ukraine having any other, "High-precision air-launched cruise missiles.." available to it.

    Back in the 30's under the thinking of people like Douhet there was a feeling that "The bomber will always get through". Harris and Spaatz tested that to the limit, and in the end they needed fighter support and air supremacy for it to be truly effective and even then it was hard to be really precise (pathfinders, 617 squadron not withstanding).

    Now we are in the era of the 'Drone will always get through' How long will it last? I applaud Ukraine for their fight in this war and truly hope to see Putin gone from the world.
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