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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,905

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    It's on Twitter, so probably not.
    The source is said to be the father of one of those arrested, who heard about the judge from his own solicitor.
    https://x.com/comm_passion8/status/2063188370600218928
    Sorry, but do you seriously think that Twitter account looks reliable in any way, shape or form?

    As per the edit on my earlier post, I can't see the Connolly judge, who was in Birmingham, listed for Southampton Crown Court. Let me know if you have anything that looks more plausible than the tweets of a nutter.
    Looks like the claim is that it's the Southport Judge and that's also a fix and it's as bad as what They did to Connolly.

    There may be something in that, or it could be a bad case of Twitter Brain.
    It seems there are a whole set of people who don't understand that we have the riot act (with serious punishments) as serious sentences rapidly stops people rioting when they discover throwing things results in 3 years in jail...

    And it's not unique to the UK, it's just in large parts of the world guns are used instead...

    Edit - the irony is that it actually doesn't matter who the judge is - sentencing guidelines are there to make sure judges follow the same calculations when sentencing people...
    And the sentencing guidelines have to be followed - if they weren’t, Connolly would have had a trivial time appealing the sentence.

    If you read the sentencing guidelines for what she was charged with, it was right down the middle.
    Also the first 2 offenders have records as long as your arm.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,558

    Scott_xP said:

    The Iranians shot down an Apache helicopter over Hormuz, despite losing the war 3 months ago...

    The Mad King is not happy

    He's already banned their supporters from the World Cup. Presumably no refunds will be offered.

    (The World Cup is turning into a shit show)
    This could be the first Football World Cup where everyone takes as much interest in it as I do even before England are knocked out.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,602
    edited June 9
    Dopermean said:

    Eabhal said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Cyclists piss me right off.

    Specially designed cycle paths on the hill out of Brixham and towards Paignton. Specifically introduced to help cyclist safety from large articulated fish lorries, and seasonal traffic.

    Cyclists generally ignore it, block traffic cause gridlock.

    Many with more fecking cameras on them than GCHQ... Ready to report you for yelling "get on the fucking cycle path" as you drive past.

    There are three types of cycle path.

    1. Well-designed cycle paths that make cycling better - cyclists will use these paths.
    2. Badly-designed cycle paths that make cycling more dangerous, or less convenient - cyclists will not use these paths.
    3. Paint on the road surface - car drivers will ignore these.

    Which category are the ones you are talking about?
    Much though I hate to defend that poster, that's not altogether true. Next to the A449 from Wolverhampton to Penkridge (on both sides) is a cycleway that's beautifully laid out. It's wide, straight, surfaced properly, grade separated, no pedestrians and has pelican crossings so you can navigate safely. It must be the best cycleway in the whole Midlands.

    Some utter twat persists, every day, in cycling rather slowly up the middle of the nearside lane of the dual carriageway, causing total chaos.

    There is no excuse for that other than to be a total arsehole. Unless this person is such a total idiot he has not noticed the cycleway signs literally at his elbow, in which case he should probably not be allowed out without an escort.
    If that total idiot was in a car he would not be causing traffic either.

    This is what our can't misguided think-beyond-their-own-experiences city dwellers fail to comprehend. Roads that typically travel at or about the speed limit can be seriously damaged by one individual who is not doing the limit that then snarls everyone behind them until they can get into a different lane to overtake.

    Whether that one individual be an agricultural vehicle, the bin lorry, a cyclist or an elderly driver afraid to drive properly.

    Shared spaces mean they can all be on the road, but the idea its great that they are and should be celebrated is not necessarily correct and depends upon the circumstances.
    It's not a matter of celebrating that one is stuck behind someone driving more slowly than you are comfortable doing. It's a matter of co-operating with other road users so everyone gets to their final destination in one piece.

    There are too many drivers who seem to have either a death wish, or believe that they are invincible, or in their rage at being slightly inconvenienced and delayed lose all sense of proportion and put everyone else on the road in the vicinity at risk of death or serious injury.
    My 14-year old daughter* is doing a sponsored coast to coast bike ride the weekend after next, so I have an unusually heightened sense of cycle safety at the moment (not least after the headmaster at her school was killed cycling home a couple of months back). I'm generally fairly relaxed about sharing a road with vehicle traffic, but you notice driver behaviour a lot more when your daughter is on the road.
    My perspective is that almost all drivers are pretty considerate, especially in towns or on small country lanes. Trying to force an overtake which isn't there is very rare; they will almost always wait to be waved on. The roads which worry me though are country A roads. With my daughter, I will go a long way out of my way to avoid these. It's not even that I blame the drivers: but if the expectation is that you can be travelling at 60mph, you can very quickly be on a slow moving vehicle you didn't expect to be there.

    *actually the two of us - but she is the one fundraising; I'm just there to keep an eye.
    Yes. Most car drivers are fine. But even if it's only ~1% of car drivers who are reckless, they put other people at risk.

    In a similar way, most cyclists don't want to be in anyone else's way. But there's a pervasive attitude - which is what started this conversation - that they are being deliberately difficult and in some way deserve what's coming to them. I've experienced a lot of hostility from car drivers which basically boils down to them being enraged that I dare to be on the road (which actually I generally don't anymore, eventually I just couldn't take the worry).
    It's bizarre, otherwise kind and normal people are really aggressive about this.
    PassPixi. Transforms the experience. Even better, a propane canister strapped to your pannier rack.

    It’s sad because I really struggle to persuade my partner to cycle with me after her experiences with drivers, both deliberate and accidental. We shouldn’t settle for anything less than 50:50 gender balance and kids regularly cycling to school.

    (It’s one thing Burnham has been really good on, rather disproving the idea it’s only the Dutch/ Londoners who can cycle).
    Is that down to Burnham or really Chris Boardman?
    Similar to Andrew Gilligan being the real driving force for cycling provision in London.
    Both those statements are some way off imo.

    It's fair to say that Andrew Gilligan had a role in one important stage - he was BoJo's cycling Czar from 2013 to 2016. He drove the concept of radial Cycling Superhighways more or less on points of the clock, and the first generation of such (they are now on generation 3, or perhaps 4).

    Similarly Chris Boardman, who was more strategic than Gilligan, and key in Manchester from 2017 to 2022.

    On a side note, most cam reports are from dashcams not cyclecams.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,962
    A significant blow against DEI in the US:

    https://x.com/TheJusticeDept/status/2064391410531389706

    The Department of Justice has issued an opinion to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) that its guidelines about disparate-impact liability under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act are unconstitutional. The Office of Legal Counsel found that EEOC’s guidelines pressured employers to engage in racial discrimination.

    "Despite trying to promote equality, EEOC's disparate impact liability interpretation under Title VII actually fosters the very discrimination its guidelines seek to address," said Acting Attorney General @DAGToddBlanche. "This opinion will now allow businesses to hire based on performance, restoring equal opportunities in the American workplace."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,816

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    I would have thought, given Musk's reputation in this country, that it would more be more valuable to everyone else than to Restore. Divide the benefit by the number of candidates and it probably works out OK.
    The Whitehouse are very angry at Starmer's three months threat to the US social media organisations. They are suggesting it will disadvantage US social media Moguls.

    Apparently threatening to stop children being groomed online is an infringement of freedom of speech. I can understand why Trump might conclude that. Kemi might have to U turn her online safety commitment if she doesn't want to upset the Donald.
    Barefaced lies = Noble free speech

    Requesting evidence for barefaced lies = Conspiracy to suppress the Truth

    This is how it is.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,831
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    Eh?

    So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?

    Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
    That’s a fair argument, that it’s the same as a newspaper endorsement coming from the proprietor or editorial team. But what if they’re foreigners widely read in the UK.

    There’s plenty of both positives and negatives about Mr Lowe, but I was thinking it’s an issue that hasnn’t come up before, so might be worthy of somebody getting a ruling on what is or isn’t allowed.
    Given people make endorsements all the time, and there's never been any case of it getting red flagged as a cost, I think there is precedence that it has come up and it is in fact allowed.

    I'm not sure why them being foreigners would be relevant.

    Given our financial rules, it would be perverse and open to abuse if endorsements could be counted against a parties budget without them spending it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,602

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    Throwing a bin, according to Twitter.
    From the BBC...

    Footage shown in Southampton Crown Court showed O'Leary "walking casually" in the crowd in front of the police cordon when he spots a smoke grenade on the ground, picks it up and throws it towards police.

    O'Leary also admitted resisting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon – a samurai sword in his bedroom - when officers came to arrest him in the early hours of 7 June.

    The court heard he adopted a "fighting stance" at the top of the stairs and threatened officers who had to use pava spray to subdue him.

    [...]

    Meanwhile Connor Bishop, 24, from Southampton, was seen in footage [...] carrying a yellow traffic cone which he threw towards officers.

    He was seen running with the cone, "pursuing officers for some time with it", prosecutor, Siobhan Linsley told the court.

    "Once it's thrown he then follows it again, picks it up again," she said.

    [...]

    He also admitted throwing a box of screws and punching a wall which was not captured on footage.
    The only bincident I have seen footage involved a lathe wheeled commercial bin, with something on fire inside it.

    But I have no firm authentication.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,472
    KnightOut said:

    My betting position on Makerfield, drawing on advice in an earlier thread:

    Reform to Win
    Labour 47.5% or greater vote share.

    Staked for an equal return, I get about 160% back if either happens, which feels like a pretty strong position. And there is technically a tiny chance that both come in.

    Probably require about 4 recounts though!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,558

    A significant blow against DEI in the US:

    https://x.com/TheJusticeDept/status/2064391410531389706

    The Department of Justice has issued an opinion to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) that its guidelines about disparate-impact liability under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act are unconstitutional. The Office of Legal Counsel found that EEOC’s guidelines pressured employers to engage in racial discrimination.

    "Despite trying to promote equality, EEOC's disparate impact liability interpretation under Title VII actually fosters the very discrimination its guidelines seek to address," said Acting Attorney General @DAGToddBlanche. "This opinion will now allow businesses to hire based on performance, restoring equal opportunities in the American workplace."

    Does that mean they're not obliged to hire people with serious mental health problems, orange skin and very small penises just because they are from an oppressed minority, viz the Trump Mafia?

    That's good news for the US.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,297
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    I would have thought, given Musk's reputation in this country, that it would more be more valuable to everyone else than to Restore. Divide the benefit by the number of candidates and it probably works out OK.
    The Whitehouse are very angry at Starmer's three months threat to the US social media organisations. They are suggesting it will disadvantage US social media Moguls.

    Apparently threatening to stop children being groomed online is an infringement of freedom of speech. I can understand why Trump might conclude that. Kemi might have to U turn her online safety commitment if she doesn't want to upset the Donald.
    Barefaced lies = Noble free speech

    Requesting evidence for barefaced lies = Conspiracy to suppress the Truth

    This is how it is.
    Starmer's got nothing to lose, he won't gain too much credit at this stage for standing up to Trump but his successor will.

    Badenoch would be very wise to reflect on that fact and the fact that siding with Trump will alienate many older Tory voters eg 95% of those left
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    I would have thought, given Musk's reputation in this country, that it would more be more valuable to everyone else than to Restore. Divide the benefit by the number of candidates and it probably works out OK.
    The Whitehouse are very angry at Starmer's three months threat to the US social media organisations. They are suggesting it will disadvantage US social media Moguls.

    Apparently threatening to stop children being groomed online is an infringement of freedom of speech. I can understand why Trump might conclude that. Kemi might have to U turn her online safety commitment if she doesn't want to upset the Donald.
    Barefaced lies = Noble free speech

    Requesting evidence for barefaced lies = Conspiracy to suppress the Truth

    This is how it is.
    Starmer's got nothing to lose, he won't gain too much credit at this stage for standing up to Trump but his successor will.

    Badenoch would be very wise to reflect on that fact and the fact that siding with Trump will alienate many older Tory voters eg 95% of those left
    Yes, and even Reform voters are not universally fans of Trump, though Trumpier than the other parties.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    If only there were a way to stop Russian soldiers getting paid as well the war would be over in a week.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,067

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    Eh?

    So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?

    Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
    But Musk isn’t just commenting. He’s broadcasting his message to the world through the social media platform he owns. Twitter is programmed to push his thoughts at people. That’s closer to if Lord Sugar took out a paid advert.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,282
    Anybody watching Tom Hanks world war 2 series? I watched its episode on Barbarossa last night, then watched the world at wars version. Frankly I have no idea why Hanks bothered. TWAW far better and with talking heads of those involved.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,831

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    Eh?

    So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?

    Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
    But Musk isn’t just commenting. He’s broadcasting his message to the world through the social media platform he owns. Twitter is programmed to push his thoughts at people. That’s closer to if Lord Sugar took out a paid advert.
    That's not new though, Murdoch has broadcast his messages to the world through platforms he owns for decades. When has it ever been expensed?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,285
    Oh look, a coverup:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yzwy055xdo

    "David Sullivan banned from contact with West Ham women's and youth teams since 2023"
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,498

    Off Topic

    Global US Correspondent Simon Marks has been sitting in for the dreary Tom Swarbrick on LBC this week. He is very good. I am not sure of his UK political affiliation. Unusually for LBC it would be very difficult to determine.

    I follow Marks as Washington correspondent on LBC and his analysis is excellent, particularly if one is a never Trumper.

    I believe Marks is one of the finest political broadcasters we currently have in the UK. Why is he languishing on LBC.

    Matt Frei is excellent as well, I believe even better than Marks.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,335
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    If only there were a way to stop Russian soldiers getting paid as well the war would be over in a week.
    The rate on Russian bonds is up to 15% again today. Brent has fallen a lot today on data from China showing a huge drop in Chinese crude oil imports. The Russian Central Bank has started printing money to buy Russian bonds and fund the war effort. There's been a steady flow of cash out of the Russian banking system for the last twelve months, most likely as Russians use their savings to cope with inflation and some employers putting employees onto short hours. The Russian government is urgently trying to privatise assets to raise cash, but there were no buyers for a Russian coal company they wanted to sell.

    The signs of increasing stress on Russia's economy and government finances are there, but how much road they have left for can-kicking I don't know.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,067

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    Eh?

    So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?

    Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
    But Musk isn’t just commenting. He’s broadcasting his message to the world through the social media platform he owns. Twitter is programmed to push his thoughts at people. That’s closer to if Lord Sugar took out a paid advert.
    That's not new though, Murdoch has broadcast his messages to the world through platforms he owns for decades. When has it ever been expensed?
    Sandpit asked whether Lowe had had communications with Musk. If someone endorsed you, that’s one thing. If a candidate arranges with someone for the equivalent of a paid ad, that’s something that could come under rules around election communications and donations.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    carnforth said:

    Oh look, a coverup:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yzwy055xdo

    "David Sullivan banned from contact with West Ham women's and youth teams since 2023"

    He's guilty as sin, that was obvious from his initial half arsed defence when stepping down.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,936
    malcolmg said:

    Off Topic

    Global US Correspondent Simon Marks has been sitting in for the dreary Tom Swarbrick on LBC this week. He is very good. I am not sure of his UK political affiliation. Unusually for LBC it would be very difficult to determine.

    I follow Marks as Washington correspondent on LBC and his analysis is excellent, particularly if one is a never Trumper.

    I believe Marks is one of the finest political broadcasters we currently have in the UK. Why is he languishing on LBC.

    Matt Frei is excellent as well, I believe even better than Marks.
    Yes he is excellent.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,817
    carnforth said:

    Oh look, a coverup:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yzwy055xdo

    "David Sullivan banned from contact with West Ham women's and youth teams since 2023"

    Wasn't there something similar at Fulham when Al Fayed was the Chairman?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,817

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    If only there were a way to stop Russian soldiers getting paid as well the war would be over in a week.
    The rate on Russian bonds is up to 15% again today. Brent has fallen a lot today on data from China showing a huge drop in Chinese crude oil imports. The Russian Central Bank has started printing money to buy Russian bonds and fund the war effort. There's been a steady flow of cash out of the Russian banking system for the last twelve months, most likely as Russians use their savings to cope with inflation and some employers putting employees onto short hours. The Russian government is urgently trying to privatise assets to raise cash, but there were no buyers for a Russian coal company they wanted to sell.

    The signs of increasing stress on Russia's economy and government finances are there, but how much road they have left for can-kicking I don't know.
    I could envisage the oligarchs deciding they need to dispense with Putin and transfer their allegiance to some bastard like Sergey Lavrov.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot

    [X] has become almost unusable because of how many different fake images there are of Farage beating up Andrew Bailey - never seen anything this number... it's like every second post!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955

    Anybody watching Tom Hanks world war 2 series? I watched its episode on Barbarossa last night, then watched the world at wars version. Frankly I have no idea why Hanks bothered. TWAW far better and with talking heads of those involved.

    It’s sub GCSE, probably sub Common Entrance level history. Covers the ground at pace with some nice colourised shots and that is it. I read a comment where they opined, probably correctly, that it’s being rushed along so they can get to the bit where the Americans win the war.

    I’m sure, as usual, the American efforts on D-Day will be overplayed and the fact that British land and naval forces on D-day were more numerous but there you go, luckily the bbc will spend millions on Strictly etc unlike commercial stations and so not have a very good, sellable, series on the war to compete.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    edited June 9

    Anybody watching Tom Hanks world war 2 series? I watched its episode on Barbarossa last night, then watched the world at wars version. Frankly I have no idea why Hanks bothered. TWAW far better and with talking heads of those involved.

    I'm in a small minority that doesn't think Hanks is as great as most people say in any case. He is a good actor, but I find him often quite boring. Whether as a producer he has a good eye who knows, but WW2 stuff needs to be pretty good to get attention, as there's so much other content on the subject.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    If only there were a way to stop Russian soldiers getting paid as well the war would be over in a week.
    The rate on Russian bonds is up to 15% again today. Brent has fallen a lot today on data from China showing a huge drop in Chinese crude oil imports. The Russian Central Bank has started printing money to buy Russian bonds and fund the war effort. There's been a steady flow of cash out of the Russian banking system for the last twelve months, most likely as Russians use their savings to cope with inflation and some employers putting employees onto short hours. The Russian government is urgently trying to privatise assets to raise cash, but there were no buyers for a Russian coal company they wanted to sell.

    The signs of increasing stress on Russia's economy and government finances are there, but how much road they have left for can-kicking I don't know.
    Yes the economic news out of Russia is terrible, and if they’re saying that officially then we know it’s a lot worse behind the scenes. They’re at least half way through their gold reserves already, with China the buyers well under market price, and they’ve had to significant’y cut signup payments to new soldiers. Meanwhile inflation is rampant despite official figures, and fuel is again being rationed in large parts of the country.

    The war is now affecting ordinary Russians in a way it hasn’t up until this year. The bombing of St. Petersberg last week, taking out an oil depot and a warship just as Putin opened a big economic conference there, was possibly the icing on the cake for the elites realising the war was coming to them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    Eh?

    So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?

    Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
    But Musk isn’t just commenting. He’s broadcasting his message to the world through the social media platform he owns. Twitter is programmed to push his thoughts at people. That’s closer to if Lord Sugar took out a paid advert.
    That's not new though, Murdoch has broadcast his messages to the world through platforms he owns for decades. When has it ever been expensed?
    Sandpit asked whether Lowe had had communications with Musk. If someone endorsed you, that’s one thing. If a candidate arranges with someone for the equivalent of a paid ad, that’s something that could come under rules around election communications and donations.
    Yes, it’s a question worth asking and having a ruling made.

    I’m in favour of freedom of speech, but we don’t want to do down the US route of billions of pounds of potentially untraceable money spent on elections.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    The father of one of the murdered in the Nottingham 2023 case tells Ch4 news he hopes this is the last time there needs to an inquiry into the failure of public sector agencies with severely mentally disturbed potential killers.

    To be utterly brutally frank: yeh, right like that is going to happen.

    I'm sure @Cyclefree can share how we go round and around with these investigations into some major public fuck up or other and NOTHING EVERY CHANGES.



  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,962

    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot

    [X] has become almost unusable because of how many different fake images there are of Farage beating up Andrew Bailey - never seen anything this number... it's like every second post!

    Farage should sue Musk for defamation.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,831

    Sandpit said:

    Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767

    Musk’s comment:

    Only Restore Britain can save Britain.

    It is the only way.


    That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.

    Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?

    Eh?

    So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?

    Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
    But Musk isn’t just commenting. He’s broadcasting his message to the world through the social media platform he owns. Twitter is programmed to push his thoughts at people. That’s closer to if Lord Sugar took out a paid advert.
    That's not new though, Murdoch has broadcast his messages to the world through platforms he owns for decades. When has it ever been expensed?
    Sandpit asked whether Lowe had had communications with Musk. If someone endorsed you, that’s one thing. If a candidate arranges with someone for the equivalent of a paid ad, that’s something that could come under rules around election communications and donations.
    What's the precedence for that?

    Politicians have regularly had correspondence with Murdoch et al.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    Summer 2027.

    Burnham has been PM for a year.

    Former Health Sec, with shall we say, some legacy issues.

    Haigh is Health Sec.

    The Nottingham inquiry reports. Utterly explosive over public sector failure after failure after failure.

    Kaboom.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,335

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    If only there were a way to stop Russian soldiers getting paid as well the war would be over in a week.
    The rate on Russian bonds is up to 15% again today. Brent has fallen a lot today on data from China showing a huge drop in Chinese crude oil imports. The Russian Central Bank has started printing money to buy Russian bonds and fund the war effort. There's been a steady flow of cash out of the Russian banking system for the last twelve months, most likely as Russians use their savings to cope with inflation and some employers putting employees onto short hours. The Russian government is urgently trying to privatise assets to raise cash, but there were no buyers for a Russian coal company they wanted to sell.

    The signs of increasing stress on Russia's economy and government finances are there, but how much road they have left for can-kicking I don't know.
    I could envisage the oligarchs deciding they need to dispense with Putin and transfer their allegiance to some bastard like Sergey Lavrov.
    Recently there was a big argument in the higher echelons of the Russian state over the number of senior generals being assassinated by the Ukrainians. The generals weren't happy that the FSB wasn't able to protect them.

    Putin smoothed things over by saying that his own personal bodyguard force would be used to protect the most senior people.

    Of course, this means that the highly-trained and uber-loyal Presidential bodyguard force is now in place, "protecting" all the other most senior members of the government and armed forces. Kinda convenient for Putin that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,472
    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    Every little helps.

    The average Russian has not a clue how much damage Putin has done. It will take decades to put back together.

    Mind you, there is a still a chunk of low-information America that can't see the damage done to the US under Trump.

    We are in a world of stupid on steroids.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,942
    edited June 9

    Anybody watching Tom Hanks world war 2 series? I watched its episode on Barbarossa last night, then watched the world at wars version. Frankly I have no idea why Hanks bothered. TWAW far better and with talking heads of those involved.

    More or less agree, though as you say the fantastic advantage TWAW had was lots of participants talking about being there. A series of (mostly US) talking heads spouting clichès doesn’t really compare.
    The Hanks thing does have a lot of new or little seen footage though. Good fun picking out the occasional ahistorical bloopers.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    Norman Lamb: The mental health system is broken.

    This is essential viewing imho


    https://x.com/Channel4News/status/2064301955170668847
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,335
    Sandpit said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    If only there were a way to stop Russian soldiers getting paid as well the war would be over in a week.
    The rate on Russian bonds is up to 15% again today. Brent has fallen a lot today on data from China showing a huge drop in Chinese crude oil imports. The Russian Central Bank has started printing money to buy Russian bonds and fund the war effort. There's been a steady flow of cash out of the Russian banking system for the last twelve months, most likely as Russians use their savings to cope with inflation and some employers putting employees onto short hours. The Russian government is urgently trying to privatise assets to raise cash, but there were no buyers for a Russian coal company they wanted to sell.

    The signs of increasing stress on Russia's economy and government finances are there, but how much road they have left for can-kicking I don't know.
    Yes the economic news out of Russia is terrible, and if they’re saying that officially then we know it’s a lot worse behind the scenes. They’re at least half way through their gold reserves already, with China the buyers well under market price, and they’ve had to significant’y cut signup payments to new soldiers. Meanwhile inflation is rampant despite official figures, and fuel is again being rationed in large parts of the country.

    The war is now affecting ordinary Russians in a way it hasn’t up until this year. The bombing of St. Petersberg last week, taking out an oil depot and a warship just as Putin opened a big economic conference there, was possibly the icing on the cake for the elites realising the war was coming to them.
    Oh yes, I forgot about the gold. The Russians had been doing quite well out of the strong run in the gold price over the last few years, but that's started to rapidly go into reverse as well.

    Apparently the Russian military has banned supply vehicles from taking the main highways across southern Ukraine due to the frequency of drone attack, and told them to take alternative routes. I wonder how much that will help them?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,346
    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    I only ever really get interested once things kick off, and quite frankly the biggest hurdle for this world cup is not really its fault, in that the start times are awful for Europe.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,510
    I know that Bozo wasn't a fan of bendy buses, but those lads in Belfast take it to another level.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,120
    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    I only ever really get interested once things kick off, and quite frankly the biggest hurdle for this world cup is not really its fault, in that the start times are awful for Europe.
    I’m three hours ahead of the UK, am looking at midnight starts for the first couple of England games, and more matches overall are get-up-early than stay-up-late. The matches themselves will be well over two hours as well, with the drinks breaks and crazy injury time.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,229
    Nice long sentences for those who protested at Henry Nowak demonstrations.

    "Two men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

    Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month. Both pleaded guilty to violent disorder at a previous hearing.

    They are the first people to be sentenced after violence on 2 June saw 12 police officers and a police dog injured as missiles including wheelie bins and chairs were thrown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c982y5n0nlno
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,285
    Andy_JS said:

    Nice long sentences for those who protested at Henry Nowak demonstrations.

    "Two men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

    Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month. Both pleaded guilty to violent disorder at a previous hearing.

    They are the first people to be sentenced after violence on 2 June saw 12 police officers and a police dog injured as missiles including wheelie bins and chairs were thrown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c982y5n0nlno

    Leon!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,516
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,470
    Andy_JS said:

    Nice long sentences for those who protested at Henry Nowak demonstrations.

    "Two men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

    Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month. Both pleaded guilty to violent disorder at a previous hearing.

    They are the first people to be sentenced after violence on 2 June saw 12 police officers and a police dog injured as missiles including wheelie bins and chairs were thrown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c982y5n0nlno

    I wonder whether that gives Southampton police any satisfaction.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    A good thread on military procurement, and why it’s the next industry ripe for turning upside-down.

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/2064406095180022187

    It takes 400 companies >2 years to build a Patriot missile. Perhaps this is why USA suddenly gave up in Iran.

    Incompetent manufacturing will cause us to lose future wars too. Boom is building vertically integrated factories that can do in 24h what otherwise takes years.

    (Oh, this is the guy building a privately-funded supersonic airliner in the US).
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,120

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    It is the same judge who sentenced Digwa, not Lucy Connolly.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Yes, Twotter was wrong!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,632

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Nonsense

    Untrue with 100% certainty
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,397

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    WTF is all this stuff on Twitter about Piers Morgan and curries !!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,989
    Nigelb said:

    TPSI poll | 6/8 LV

    US Senate Maine 2026
    🟥Susan Collins 43.7% (incumbent)
    🟦Graham Platner 43.1%
    Undecided 13.2%

    When voters are informed of Graham Platner’s scandals
    🟦Graham Platner 48.2%
    🟥Susan Collins 40.1% (incumbent)
    Undecided 11.7%

    https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/2064338493321466318

    Maybe Platner attracts some Trump voters with his provocative social media posts
  • eekeek Posts: 33,964
    Sandpit said:

    A good thread on military procurement, and why it’s the next industry ripe for turning upside-down.

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/2064406095180022187

    It takes 400 companies >2 years to build a Patriot missile. Perhaps this is why USA suddenly gave up in Iran.

    Incompetent manufacturing will cause us to lose future wars too. Boom is building vertically integrated factories that can do in 24h what otherwise takes years.

    (Oh, this is the guy building a privately-funded supersonic airliner in the US).

    Demand isn’t there for supersonic jets - time to pivot (not surprising given how much money is in military tenders)
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,516
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    WTF is all this stuff on Twitter about Piers Morgan and curries !!
    It's the best place to see the infamous and entirely factual Farage vs Bailey brawl.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,290
    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    Uninterested.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
    Don’t be silly.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,907

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
    Come along, a fully paid up (at £0) member of PB! Conspiracy is one thing, but accusing another member of theorising!

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,397

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    WTF is all this stuff on Twitter about Piers Morgan and curries !!
    It's the best place to see the infamous and entirely factual Farage vs Bailey brawl.
    Including the one of one of them covered in green slime !!
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Is it ever really a good night to be one?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,397

    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    Uninterested.
    It’s coming home…..
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,861
    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    A sign saying "Fuck off but please pay through the nose for the privilege of it", would be closer to the mark.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955
    Nicely understated.


  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,861
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    Uninterested.
    It’s coming home…..
    Visa declined
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    A good thread on military procurement, and why it’s the next industry ripe for turning upside-down.

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/2064406095180022187

    It takes 400 companies >2 years to build a Patriot missile. Perhaps this is why USA suddenly gave up in Iran.

    Incompetent manufacturing will cause us to lose future wars too. Boom is building vertically integrated factories that can do in 24h what otherwise takes years.

    (Oh, this is the guy building a privately-funded supersonic airliner in the US).

    Demand isn’t there for supersonic jets - time to pivot (not surprising given how much money is in military tenders)
    His first pivot is to making turbines for data centres, while he gets them certified to go on aeroplanes. They’re remarkably similar.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,936

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
    Err, no.

    I started by saying “twitter says X, any evidence for it?” That’s being inquisitive, not conspiracy. I’m not an Arabian Candace Owens.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,346

    nico67 said:

    Why don’t US authorities just stick up a sign telling football fans to fxck off ! Because that’s the attitude pervading from the loathsome administration.

    This WC hasn’t even started and it’s already turning into a clusterfxck . Never have I been so underwhelmed and disinterested in a WC .

    A sign saying "Fuck off but please pay through the nose for the privilege of it", would be closer to the mark.
    The US administration attitude is they’re doing you a big favour to be allowed into the country and you should just be grateful even if customs and immigration make your life hell . I dread to think what horror stories are going to emerge over the next month .

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
    He accepted an alternative position when presented with it - they don't do that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,962

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Good week to be a bus salesman.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,120
    edited June 9

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    Its the way its passed on, generation to generation, very moving.

    There'll be a few lads pacing across fields in Fermanagh tonight, wondering how deep their Dads and Uncles buried things.

    Sky News reporter getting a warm reception just now 'WILL YA FUCK OFF'.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,285

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Good week to be a bus salesman.
    Inside job!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightbus
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,285
    Is this the resurgance of political violence in Northern Ireland remainers warned us about?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,510
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    A good thread on military procurement, and why it’s the next industry ripe for turning upside-down.

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/2064406095180022187

    It takes 400 companies >2 years to build a Patriot missile. Perhaps this is why USA suddenly gave up in Iran.

    Incompetent manufacturing will cause us to lose future wars too. Boom is building vertically integrated factories that can do in 24h what otherwise takes years.

    (Oh, this is the guy building a privately-funded supersonic airliner in the US).

    Demand isn’t there for supersonic jets - time to pivot (not surprising given how much money is in military tenders)
    His first pivot is to making turbines for data centres, while he gets them certified to go on aeroplanes. They’re remarkably similar.
    That's why they're called aeroderivative gas turbines.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,516
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
    He accepted an alternative position when presented with it - they don't do that.
    Sandpit is just one of the billions of people who mistake social media for a news source.
  • Damn, 8 trolls!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,936

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    Its the way its passed on, generation to generation, very moving.

    There'll be a few lads pacing across fields in Fermanagh tonight, wondering how deep their Dads and Uncles buried things.

    Sky News reporter getting a warm reception just now 'WILL YA FUCK OFF'.
    Best to board up the Europa Hotel until after the marching season is over.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,229
    The problem is that a lot of people said it was okay to be angry about the George Floyd incident.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,175

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    "Twitter seems to think" = "Untrue with near 100% probability".
    Sandpit is basically a conspiracy theorist.
    One had 9 previous convictions and was also done for possession of an offensive weapon, the other 7 and was serving a community order, so they weren't being sentenced for a first offence of violent disorder.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,285
    Andy_JS said:

    The problem is that a lot of people said it was okay to be angry about the George Floyd incident.

    It's ok to be angrier about police misconduct than random psychos.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,907

    Damn, 8 trolls!

    Have you ever seen the film 'Troll Hunter'? It's a mixed bag, but the bit where Trolls start to feature is great.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955
    edited June 9

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    My daughter, who is mixed race, was listening to the news from Belfast and said something that made me quite sad. She said that black and brown people just needed to behave better than white people because every time one of them did something bad it meant that all minorities would get blamed for it. I pointed out to her that her mother was born here over 50 years ago and so maybe people should have got used to the existence of minorities in this country by now and learned to treat every person as an individual. But she's probably right.
    That is sad and I have empathy but isn’t that the way of humans? A white balding England football fan throws a chair at a tournament and fights the police and Europeans think all white English supporters are terrible so the good ones have to behave even better to counteract. Britain is hammered by the global south for colonisation and slavery and all Brits are supposed to carry that burden irrespective of the fact that some were bad, some were good, many just taking economic opportunities (in the same way small boats people might be) and so we are judged by the worst standards.

    If you are white of Boer descent in SA then you might be treated worse by black South Africans because of your colour and name even if you have lived a sainted life.

    The “outsider” in its widest terms is always more noticeable for wrongs and the insiders can’t be “got rid of” in the way that some might want outsiders to be.

    Once it was the Irish. It’s not always about colour but purely being an “outsider”.
  • Andy_JS said:

    The problem is that a lot of people said it was okay to be angry about the George Floyd incident.

    Who is this aimed at?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,397
    Andy_JS said:

    The problem is that a lot of people said it was okay to be angry about the George Floyd incident.

    Ah, but those demos were okay as they were mostly peaceful.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,316
    edited June 9

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    Its the way its passed on, generation to generation, very moving.

    There'll be a few lads pacing across fields in Fermanagh tonight, wondering how deep their Dads and Uncles buried things.

    Sky News reporter getting a warm reception just now 'WILL YA FUCK OFF'.
    Best to board up the Europa Hotel until after the marching season is over.
    Flashback. Late 90s, we'd hired a car in Belfast (very little ID required compared with England at the same time) to go round the Glens, came back, parked up in a whole row of cars near The Crown and just up from the Europa, had our evening, returned to the car, it was the only one left parked on the road as far as the eye could see.

    Jesus, I crapped myself at the possible implications of that.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955
    Pro_Rata said:

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    Its the way its passed on, generation to generation, very moving.

    There'll be a few lads pacing across fields in Fermanagh tonight, wondering how deep their Dads and Uncles buried things.

    Sky News reporter getting a warm reception just now 'WILL YA FUCK OFF'.
    Best to board up the Europa Hotel until after the marching season is over.
    Flashback. Late 90s, we'd hired a car in Belfast, very little ID required compared with England at the same time to go round the Glens, came back, parked up in a whole row of cars near The Crown and just up from the Europa, had our evening, returned to the car, it was the only one left parked on the road as far as the eye could see.

    Jesus, I crapped myself at the possible implications of that.
    That’s why you should pay the excess then you could have relaxed.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,907
    edited June 9
    boulay said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    Its the way its passed on, generation to generation, very moving.

    There'll be a few lads pacing across fields in Fermanagh tonight, wondering how deep their Dads and Uncles buried things.

    Sky News reporter getting a warm reception just now 'WILL YA FUCK OFF'.
    Best to board up the Europa Hotel until after the marching season is over.
    Flashback. Late 90s, we'd hired a car in Belfast, very little ID required compared with England at the same time to go round the Glens, came back, parked up in a whole row of cars near The Crown and just up from the Europa, had our evening, returned to the car, it was the only one left parked on the road as far as the eye could see.

    Jesus, I crapped myself at the possible implications of that.
    That’s why you should pay the excess then you could have relaxed.
    Possibly not the best advice given his declared state.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,955
    Omnium said:

    boulay said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    Its the way its passed on, generation to generation, very moving.

    There'll be a few lads pacing across fields in Fermanagh tonight, wondering how deep their Dads and Uncles buried things.

    Sky News reporter getting a warm reception just now 'WILL YA FUCK OFF'.
    Best to board up the Europa Hotel until after the marching season is over.
    Flashback. Late 90s, we'd hired a car in Belfast, very little ID required compared with England at the same time to go round the Glens, came back, parked up in a whole row of cars near The Crown and just up from the Europa, had our evening, returned to the car, it was the only one left parked on the road as far as the eye could see.

    Jesus, I crapped myself at the possible implications of that.
    That’s why you should pay the excess then you could have relaxed.
    Possibly not the best advice given his declared state.
    Ex-lax.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,516
    boulay said:

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    My daughter, who is mixed race, was listening to the news from Belfast and said something that made me quite sad. She said that black and brown people just needed to behave better than white people because every time one of them did something bad it meant that all minorities would get blamed for it. I pointed out to her that her mother was born here over 50 years ago and so maybe people should have got used to the existence of minorities in this country by now and learned to treat every person as an individual. But she's probably right.
    That is sad and I have empathy but isn’t that the way of humans? A white balding England football fan throws a chair at a tournament and fights the police and Europeans think all white English supporters are terrible so the good ones have to behave even better to counteract. Britain is hammered by the global south for colonisation and slavery and all Brits are supposed to carry that burden irrespective of the fact that some were bad, some were good, many just taking economic opportunities (in the same way small boats people might be) and so we are judged by the worst standards.

    If you are white of Boer descent in SA then you might be treated worse by black South Africans because of your colour and name even if you have lived a sainted life.

    The “outsider” in its widest terms is always more noticeable for wrongs and the insiders can’t be “got rid of” in the way that some might want outsiders to be.

    Once it was the Irish. It’s not always about colour but purely being an “outsider”.
    I have lived in a country most of whose inhabitants were descendents of Africans enslaved by the British and it really wasn't something that I carried around with me every day and nobody ever treated me badly for being white or British. On the other hand I've seen how living with racism has taken its toll on my wife and I'm very sad to see it playing out now for my children. It is an incredible privilege to live free of this stuff as white people get to.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,012
    Andy_JS said:

    Nice long sentences for those who protested at Henry Nowak demonstrations.

    "Two men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

    Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month. Both pleaded guilty to violent disorder at a previous hearing.

    They are the first people to be sentenced after violence on 2 June saw 12 police officers and a police dog injured as missiles including wheelie bins and chairs were thrown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c982y5n0nlno

    Leon, who was protesting about a murder by knifing:

    "admitted resisting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon - a samurai sword in his bedroom - when officers came to arrest him in the early hours of 7 June. The court heard he adopted a "fighting stance" at the top of the stairs and threatened officers who had to use pava spray to subdue him."

    No irony here I'm sure....lucky to only get 3 years imo.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,936
    Andy_JS said:

    The problem is that a lot of people said it was okay to be angry about the George Floyd incident.

    What does that mean? Behave, cops beating anyone to death is an outrage by any metric.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,831

    Andy_JS said:

    Nice long sentences for those who protested at Henry Nowak demonstrations.

    "Two men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

    Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month. Both pleaded guilty to violent disorder at a previous hearing.

    They are the first people to be sentenced after violence on 2 June saw 12 police officers and a police dog injured as missiles including wheelie bins and chairs were thrown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c982y5n0nlno

    Leon, who was protesting about a murder by knifing:

    "admitted resisting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon - a samurai sword in his bedroom - when officers came to arrest him in the early hours of 7 June. The court heard he adopted a "fighting stance" at the top of the stairs and threatened officers who had to use pava spray to subdue him."

    No irony here I'm sure....lucky to only get 3 years imo.
    Leon a hypocritical, racist trouble-maker?

    Say it isn't so.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 273
    boulay said:

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    My daughter, who is mixed race, was listening to the news from Belfast and said something that made me quite sad. She said that black and brown people just needed to behave better than white people because every time one of them did something bad it meant that all minorities would get blamed for it. I pointed out to her that her mother was born here over 50 years ago and so maybe people should have got used to the existence of minorities in this country by now and learned to treat every person as an individual. But she's probably right.
    That is sad and I have empathy but isn’t that the way of humans? A white balding England football fan throws a chair at a tournament and fights the police and Europeans think all white English supporters are terrible so the good ones have to behave even better to counteract. Britain is hammered by the global south for colonisation and slavery and all Brits are supposed to carry that burden irrespective of the fact that some were bad, some were good, many just taking economic opportunities (in the same way small boats people might be) and so we are judged by the worst standards.

    If you are white of Boer descent in SA then you might be treated worse by black South Africans because of your colour and name even if you have lived a sainted life.

    The “outsider” in its widest terms is always more noticeable for wrongs and the insiders can’t be “got rid of” in the way that some might want outsiders to be.

    Once it was the Irish. It’s not always about colour but purely being an “outsider”.

    And also, a lot of the time you'll get people going overboard to be nice, to overcompensate for the actions of others or their own insecurities or whatever.

    My wife probably gets more preferential/pleasant interactions from people determined not to be seen as racist, than the equivalent amount of actual racism.

    Which, again, seems to be a fundamental feature of human nature.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,012

    boulay said:

    Bad evening to be an empty bus or van in Norn Iron.

    Even after nearly thirty years of the GFA you never forget the old skills. I am sure torching a taxi is just like riding a bike. Once learned, it's something one never forgets.
    My daughter, who is mixed race, was listening to the news from Belfast and said something that made me quite sad. She said that black and brown people just needed to behave better than white people because every time one of them did something bad it meant that all minorities would get blamed for it. I pointed out to her that her mother was born here over 50 years ago and so maybe people should have got used to the existence of minorities in this country by now and learned to treat every person as an individual. But she's probably right.
    That is sad and I have empathy but isn’t that the way of humans? A white balding England football fan throws a chair at a tournament and fights the police and Europeans think all white English supporters are terrible so the good ones have to behave even better to counteract. Britain is hammered by the global south for colonisation and slavery and all Brits are supposed to carry that burden irrespective of the fact that some were bad, some were good, many just taking economic opportunities (in the same way small boats people might be) and so we are judged by the worst standards.

    If you are white of Boer descent in SA then you might be treated worse by black South Africans because of your colour and name even if you have lived a sainted life.

    The “outsider” in its widest terms is always more noticeable for wrongs and the insiders can’t be “got rid of” in the way that some might want outsiders to be.

    Once it was the Irish. It’s not always about colour but purely being an “outsider”.
    I have lived in a country most of whose inhabitants were descendents of Africans enslaved by the British and it really wasn't something that I carried around with me every day and nobody ever treated me badly for being white or British. On the other hand I've seen how living with racism has taken its toll on my wife and I'm very sad to see it playing out now for my children. It is an incredible privilege to live free of this stuff as white people get to.
    What you say is sadly all true but boulay is correct too. Othering is human nature, and if it wasn't race it would be religion (see NI), class, wealth or whatever. There are decades when things get better or worse, this is one which is getting worse after a few decades of it getting better.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,632

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    A good thread on military procurement, and why it’s the next industry ripe for turning upside-down.

    https://x.com/bscholl/status/2064406095180022187

    It takes 400 companies >2 years to build a Patriot missile. Perhaps this is why USA suddenly gave up in Iran.

    Incompetent manufacturing will cause us to lose future wars too. Boom is building vertically integrated factories that can do in 24h what otherwise takes years.

    (Oh, this is the guy building a privately-funded supersonic airliner in the US).

    Demand isn’t there for supersonic jets - time to pivot (not surprising given how much money is in military tenders)
    His first pivot is to making turbines for data centres, while he gets them certified to go on aeroplanes. They’re remarkably similar.
    That's why they're called aeroderivative gas turbines.
    It’s pretty rare to find a generator turbine that isn’t derived from an aircraft engine, IIRC

    In some areas the changes have been startling. A few years back an FFSC rocket engine was beyond state of the art for the biggest aerospace firms. Recently, Stoke built an FFSC with a handful of engineers inside a year and fired it on a test stand.
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