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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    Henry Nowak's sister has reposted a clip of Jenrick's statement in the HoC on TikTok.

    Starmer and other politicians have made a strategic, as well as moral, mistake by trying to use the family as a weapon against Reform.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,449
    Selebian said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    We definitely do get mandatory DEI training in the Uni sector. And some of it is very definitely questionable, and coming from a very ‘woke’ viewpoint. I’ve already shared that my Uni is intending to not follow the EHRC guidance on trans for instance.
    I'm no longer in academia, but before I left (about six months ago) I'd only been required to do one bit of DEI* training which was on unconscious bias and only mandatory for recruiters (which I was). The bulk of mandatory training was information security, data protection etc and, once per year, fire training.

    *Unless you count one that was about not sleeping with students
    The staff who are failing to sleep with students receive training so that they can be more successful?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,770

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
    Kemi is getting a hearing.

    Burnham may well too.
    Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.

    I don't expect it.
    Speaking as a ginger I’m not sure that the colour of your skin should matter no more than the colour of your hair
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DVHUEjnuU
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383
    Scott_xP said:

    @AnthonyAdragna

    🚨 NEWS: The House has **passed** a war powers resolution to rein in President Donald Trump over the war in Iran.

    Four Republicans vote with Democrats to pass it: Davidson, Massie, Barrett and Fitzpatrick.

    Will Trump just retort "We aren't at war..."?

    Although, it gives him an off-ramp. "I was about to conclude the best deal ever. A truly great deal. Best in history. Better than Obama's for sure. But then four RINO's blocked it with the Dumocrats.

    If Iran launches a nuke at Israel - blame those four."
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498
    edited June 3
    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    That is the Orla Minihane has joined Restore as national spokesperson for safety for women and girls? Systematic lying may be a feature not a bug to some.

    It will be a handful and a landmine for Rupes, and fun for media; she is given to repeating whatever made-up BS she finds lying about online. She's also an "abortion is murder" type, given to extreme claims. She was previously the vice chair of Reform Epping, as is perhaps a good example of the layer they are losing.

    Orla is way beyond "populist", and is networked up with very strange people. Also (I was surprised), with Susan Hall, around Pink Ladies, where Minihane was a prominent figure.

    Last year, she shared a platform at the Epping Bell Hotel demonstrations with Callum Barker, of the neo-nazi Homeland Party, which is a splinter of Patriotic Alternative. Callum Barker had 2 years in prison for violent abuse of a former partner.

    Perhaps Rupert, like Nigel, only has Shrodinger's vetting system.
    Since Schroedinger apparently had a history of sexual abuse of teenage girls, that is an unfortunate characterisation.
    Or perhaps it is an appropriate characterisation, given that the movement is saturated with domestic abusers and child abusers?

    My favourite item of dark humour is still the leader who was arrested, and had a previous conviction for smuggling refugees into the UK.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,514
    @gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social‬

    Will it mean anything practical? No. But putting the President in a position where he has to veto a War Powers resolution from Congress so he can continue to prosecute a conflict is a genuinely remarkable political collapse.

    It's probably not even fair to say it means nothing practical. An inability to control your own caucus and prevent them from doing this is extremely politically damaging and severely constrains your freedom of action.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    A brief description of the varieties of baseball pitch:
    https://lokeshdhakar.com/baseball-pitches-illustrated/

    This might also be helpful,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_baseball_and_cricket
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,032
    The country is bad tempered; PB is bad tempered
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    edited June 3

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.
    And regularly mix them up.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Roger said:

    Nigelb said:

    Not to trigger anyone... but Biden is back.

    So let me get this straight.

    Jake Tapper is focused on attacking my Mom.

    Jared and Ivanka are building a private island paradise on Albanian protected land.

    Don Jr married the daughter of Epstein’s banker, and a startup his fund backs just got a record $620M Pentagon loan.

    Eric is taking an Israeli drone company public for $1.5B in the middle of a war with Iran that nobody wanted.

    And I know: “But what about your paintings, Hunter?”

    Please.

    https://x.com/HunterBiden/status/2062159650850509038

    Its a banana republic
    More an Orange Republic.
    Or a bananas republic.
    The USA is a classic Banana Republic - academics have been applying the technical description for some time, at least on things I listen to.

    The key feature is that the Government is run for the benefit of a cabal of businessmen, rather than for the benefit of the people of the country. The endgame is that the form is self-destructive, because competence can never after be the main reason for selecting the people who run the country, since only a small subset can be trusted.

    Trump's inadequacy complex is an added factor.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,878

    The country is bad tempered; PB is bad tempered

    No it’s not you prick.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
    Shame Warne claimed 57 varieties. I know that was rubbish, but look at the different types of bowler in cricket . Out and out pace, seam bowling, swing bowling, reverse swing, then there are spin bowlers, leg and off, including variations. And that’s not exhaustive. Then there are the variety of cricket shots. To my uneducated eye baseball has ‘cow corner type swing’ and dabbed single to cover.

    I’m joking a bit, as I’m sure that there complexities in baseball, but it’s not likely to me to be more complex than cricket.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    In cricket all the advantage is with the bat. Taking a wicket is rare. The equivalent of a goal in football.
    In baseball it is the opposite. A run is the equivalent of a goal.
    Getting to first base twice in five at bats makes you utterly outstanding.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498
    edited June 3

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
    Shame Warne claimed 57 varieties. I know that was rubbish, but look at the different types of bowler in cricket . Out and out pace, seam bowling, swing bowling, reverse swing, then there are spin bowlers, leg and off, including variations. And that’s not exhaustive. Then there are the variety of cricket shots. To my uneducated eye baseball has ‘cow corner type swing’ and dabbed single to cover.

    I’m joking a bit, as I’m sure that there complexities in baseball, but it’s not likely to me to be more complex than cricket.
    Warney had lots of beanz.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,032
    dixiedean said:

    In cricket all the advantage is with the bat. Taking a wicket is rare. The equivalent of a goal in football.
    In baseball it is the opposite. A run is the equivalent of a goal.
    Getting to first base twice in five at bats makes you utterly outstanding.

    This is interesting
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    edited June 3

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
    Shame Warne claimed 57 varieties. I know that was rubbish, but look at the different types of bowler in cricket . Out and out pace, seam bowling, swing bowling, reverse swing, then there are spin bowlers, leg and off, including variations. And that’s not exhaustive. Then there are the variety of cricket shots. To my uneducated eye baseball has ‘cow corner type swing’ and dabbed single to cover.

    I’m joking a bit, as I’m sure that there complexities in baseball, but it’s not likely to me to be more complex than cricket.
    But there are different types of pitcher too. Out and out pace. Slider, sinker, changeup. The knuckleballer has all but disappeared.
    And shots. There are fewer shots simply because hitting the ball is so difficult with smaller bats and a guy throwing downwards at you from closer.
    But cricket doesn't have the subtleties of advancing a base runner/runners.
    There isn't the concept of sacrifice nor fielder's choice.
    It's an entirely different sport.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.
    And regularly mix them up.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
    Thanks for that. As I understand the physics of a ball in the air, all those are simply variants of the ball moving and having spin imparted (or not for a knuckle ball). To be fair cricket spinners get this a bit. Very often the same revs on a ball don’t produce the same turn off the pitch and stupid commentators will claim it’s a different type of delivery (see Shane’s 57 varieties). In baseball there is literally nothing else you can do with the ball - impart velocity and optional spin.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
    Shame Warne claimed 57 varieties. I know that was rubbish, but look at the different types of bowler in cricket . Out and out pace, seam bowling, swing bowling, reverse swing, then there are spin bowlers, leg and off, including variations. And that’s not exhaustive. Then there are the variety of cricket shots. To my uneducated eye baseball has ‘cow corner type swing’ and dabbed single to cover.

    I’m joking a bit, as I’m sure that there complexities in baseball, but it’s not likely to me to be more complex than cricket.
    But there are different types of pitcher too. Out and out pace. Slider, sinker, changeup. The knuckleballer has all but disappeared.
    And shots. There are fewer shots simply because hitting the ball is so difficult with smaller bats and a guy throwing downwards at you from closer.
    But cricket doesn't have the subtleties of advancing a base runner/runners.
    It's an entirely different sport.
    Last line is absolutely right and if you love baseball enjoy it. I just don’t think the complexit is as big as cricket (see my post on pitches and physics).
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,129
    edited June 3
    boulay said:

    The country is bad tempered; PB is bad tempered

    No it’s not you prick.
    Wankers, bastards, pricks, they're all f****ing bad tempered t****rs in this country. Gone to the dogs, it has.

    Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of P.B. I trust that many of you will be enjoying an nice therapeutic nightcap befote turning in.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    Not sure “kid-gloving” is the right response to a story about an upset young girl…
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    edited June 3
    Then of course there is that each at bat is a one on one duel. Almost all won by the pitcher. But every pitch is dependent on what has gone before. As is every swing situational. You can stretch the strikezone. Or contract it.
    Drawing a walk can be exciting if you know what's going on.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    dixiedean said:

    Then of course there is that each at bat is a one on one duel. Almost all won by the pitcher. But every pitch is dependent on what has gone before. As is every swing situational. You can stretch the strikezone. Or contract it.
    Drawing a walk can be exciting if you know what's going on.

    See also Jimmy Anderson setting up a batsman with a series of outs wingers before castling him with an inswinger.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,233
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Rubio: “Russia may not ever be able to militarily achieve the objectives they're now demanding in negotiations.

    “The Ukrainians have made battlefield gains over the last month. Ukraine has also become increasingly effective at conducting long-range strikes deep inside Russia and against critical nodes of the Russian economy.

    “And according to the Department of War, this is the first time ever that Russia has more deaths than casualties. So not only are the Ukrainians bravely fighting, they're effectively fighting.”

    First bit of sense out of his mouth.

    Rubio speaks a fair amount of sense. Or, at least, he's on top of his brief even when he's wrong.

    Weird he hasn't been fired...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,878

    boulay said:

    The country is bad tempered; PB is bad tempered

    No it’s not you prick.
    Wankers, bastards, pricks, they're all f****ing bad tempered t****rs in this country. Gone to the dogs, it has.

    Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of P.B. I trust that many of you will be enjoying an nice therapeutic nightcap befote turning in.
    You can fuck off as well. Hope all well.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561

    dixiedean said:

    Then of course there is that each at bat is a one on one duel. Almost all won by the pitcher. But every pitch is dependent on what has gone before. As is every swing situational. You can stretch the strikezone. Or contract it.
    Drawing a walk can be exciting if you know what's going on.

    See also Jimmy Anderson setting up a batsman with a series of outs wingers before castling him with an inswinger.
    Yes. It's very similar. But because the batsman can't rotate the strike each individual duel ends with a victory (large or small) for one or the other.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    Yes, I think thats true. I played it at school so got a feel for it and how game strategy works. I far prefer it to cricket.
    I double broke my leg and dislocated my ankle at High School in Canada and had to live in the school sick bay during the 1985 playoffs.
    A nurse had volunteered for all the shifts so she could watch the games, and patiently explained all the inticacies of what was going on.
    Did she also talk about baseball?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,878

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    Yes, I think thats true. I played it at school so got a feel for it and how game strategy works. I far prefer it to cricket.
    I double broke my leg and dislocated my ankle at High School in Canada and had to live in the school sick bay during the 1985 playoffs.
    A nurse had volunteered for all the shifts so she could watch the games, and patiently explained all the inticacies of what was going on.
    Did she also talk about baseball?
    More importantly did he get to fourth base?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498
    edited June 3
    Scott_xP said:

    @gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social‬

    Will it mean anything practical? No. But putting the President in a position where he has to veto a War Powers resolution from Congress so he can continue to prosecute a conflict is a genuinely remarkable political collapse.

    It's probably not even fair to say it means nothing practical. An inability to control your own caucus and prevent them from doing this is extremely politically damaging and severely constrains your freedom of action.

    That's very superficial. The philosophical and the values are as important as the practical.

    Trump wants to show that the democratic structures cannot function, so that his overthrow of the US Constitution becomes the only "logical" option. He wants there to be no alternative. To give up on democratic accountability, even if it is damaged at present by the Republican Party turning into a grouip of bootlicking cowards, is to play into the hands of the aspiring authoritarians.

    It can go beyond that , but the USA is not there yet, so they still need to push Plan A. There are a number of examples where authoritarian governments were defeated this way, including in Eastern Europe.

    Compare to Hungary - it is the reassertion of Hungary as a democracy that has reestablished Hungary as a democracy.

    Also compare to the Civil Rights Movement. The violence imposed by the Southern Establishment was defeated by the peacefulness and the discipline of the movement. Had the leadership turned to violence, it would have caused a spiral.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447
    Nigelb said:

    Not to trigger anyone... but Biden is back.

    So let me get this straight.

    Jake Tapper is focused on attacking my Mom.

    Jared and Ivanka are building a private island paradise on Albanian protected land.

    Don Jr married the daughter of Epstein’s banker, and a startup his fund backs just got a record $620M Pentagon loan.

    Eric is taking an Israeli drone company public for $1.5B in the middle of a war with Iran that nobody wanted.

    And I know: “But what about your paintings, Hunter?”

    Please.

    https://x.com/HunterBiden/status/2062159650850509038

    His “there’s no way I’d have forgotten my cocaine” riposte was inspired
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,129
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    The country is bad tempered; PB is bad tempered

    No it’s not you prick.
    Wankers, bastards, pricks, they're all f****ing bad tempered t****rs in this country. Gone to the dogs, it has.

    Good evening, ladies and gentlemen of P.B. I trust that many of you will be enjoying an nice therapeutic nightcap befote turning in.
    You can fuck off as well. Hope all well.
    Absolutely fucking fine, thanks.

    Ah, this is quite therapeutic actually.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    edited June 3
    Then of course. A starting pitcher will be able to start only once every 4 or 5 days. So, if you have a Jimmy Anderson then your entire strategy of a game depends on whether he is starting or not.
    You can't just have a Shane Warne bowling all Test match from one end.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,561
    edited June 3
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social‬

    Will it mean anything practical? No. But putting the President in a position where he has to veto a War Powers resolution from Congress so he can continue to prosecute a conflict is a genuinely remarkable political collapse.

    It's probably not even fair to say it means nothing practical. An inability to control your own caucus and prevent them from doing this is extremely politically damaging and severely constrains your freedom of action.

    That's very superficial. The philosophical and the values are as important as the practical.

    Trump wants to show that the democratic structures cannot function, so that his overthrow of the US Constitution becomes the only "logical" option. He wants there to be no alternative. To give up on democratic accountability, even if it is damaged at present by the Republican Party turning into a grouip of bootlicking cowards, is to play into the hands of the aspiring authoritarians.

    It can go beyond that , but the USA is not there yet, so they still need to push Plan A. There are a number of examples where authoritarian governments were defeated this way, including in Eastern Europe.

    Compare to Hungary - it is the reassertion of Hungary as a democracy that has reestablished Hungary as a democracy.

    Also compare to the Civil Rights Movement. The violence imposed by the Southern Establishment was defeated by the peacefulness and the discipline of the movement. Had the leadership turned to violence, it would have caused a spiral.
    This is also the Farage strategy. He desperately wants to prove the system not only isn't working, but can't possibly work.
    Which is why those who profess to find it ultra hilarious if Burnham loses might be laughing on the other side soon enough.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,152

    Whilst Pb is very sensible I am afraid I worry that a majority of the public will agree with everything Farage says

    What is it about Farage's policies that you don't like specifically?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447
    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    Yes, I think thats true. I played it at school so got a feel for it and how game strategy works. I far prefer it to cricket.
    I double broke my leg and dislocated my ankle at High School in Canada and had to live in the school sick bay during the 1985 playoffs.
    A nurse had volunteered for all the shifts so she could watch the games, and patiently explained all the inticacies of what was going on.
    Did she also talk about baseball?
    More importantly did he get to fourth base?
    Well done

    👻
  • eekeek Posts: 33,916
    Andy_JS said:

    Whilst Pb is very sensible I am afraid I worry that a majority of the public will agree with everything Farage says

    What is it about Farage's policies that you don't like specifically?
    5 million unknown reasons?
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 39
    edited June 3
    Just scrolled through about fifty posts about Cricket v Baseball… and people wonder why we want independence.

    Really the only good thing about the amount of rain in Scotland. You can hardly ever play cricket!

    Peter.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783

    Whilst Pb is very sensible I am afraid I worry that a majority of the public will agree with everything Farage says

    It doesn't even have to be a majority. With the current scores on the doors, 25% might be enough to do the trick.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 39


    “What is it about Farage's policies that you don't like specifically?”

    That his policies are mostly just assertions of positions that rarely survive scrutiny and that his response to scrutiny is to claim bias.

    It’s the playbook of the Shockjock; Say something outrageous to get attention and then claim your a martyr when challenged

    Like Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk, he’s not a Politician he’a an Act!

    Peter.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    Roger said:

    A new US correspondent working for Ch4 and she's very good

    Anushka Asthana.

    All the good ones are leaving the BBC in droves as the stations become emasculated but it's good to see Ch 4 is still able to find new talent

    Wasn't she Pesto's assistant on ITV after Allegra Stratton soiled herself by leaving to work for Johnson during COVID?

    Anushka is very good.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    I don't see the direct correlation between Floyd who was summarily executed by the police, and a hideous error of judgement by a policeman in Southampton. Dealing with the error is important but your boy Farage has hijacked a tragedy for personal political gain. I hope he fails.

    On the other hand BLM material is probably an unwise addition to UK police guidance. Stephen Lawrence is a far more relevant case study.

    Hands up all those PBers who are currently hanging on to Farage's coattails if you wrote to your MP complaining at the vile treatment of a dying Stephen Lawrence, and more importantly the outrageous judicial aftermath.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    Andy_JS said:

    Whilst Pb is very sensible I am afraid I worry that a majority of the public will agree with everything Farage says

    What is it about Farage's policies that you don't like specifically?
    I'll give you my first three*: He's a racist. He is Trump adjacent. His ties with Russia are particularly troubling.

    I do not believe he operates to promote the interests of our country and neither does his party

    * Out of dozens
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    edited June 3

    Roger said:

    A new US correspondent working for Ch4 and she's very good

    Anushka Asthana.

    All the good ones are leaving the BBC in droves as the stations become emasculated but it's good to see Ch 4 is still able to find new talent

    Wasn't she Pesto's assistant on ITV after Allegra Stratton soiled herself by leaving to work for Johnson during COVID?

    Anushka is very good.
    Yes, her main job was Deputy Political Editor of ITV News from 2021 to 2025 (as well as being the "assistant" on the Peston programme which she started in 2018 when her main job was still at The Guardian).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    https://x.com/osint613/status/2062268282040635616

    Reporter: How do you define ceasefire?

    Trump: In that part of the world, ceasefire is when you're shooting in a more moderate manner
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,152
    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Baseball is endlessly fascinating. Like cricket.
    But we aren't brought up on it here so don't appreciate its intricacies. So it appears boring cos not much noticeable happens for long periods.

    What intricacies? There don’t appear to be any spinners, for instance. And the only two shots seem to be swing as hard as you can an bunt.
    But maybe I’m missing something.
    Quite a lot.
    Go on then.
    You say "there don't appear to be any spinners".
    Well of course not because the ball doesn't bounce.
    However, here is a list of pitch types. Most will be able to throw at least three if not four or five.

    https://www.mlb.com/glossary/pitch-types
    Shame Warne claimed 57 varieties. I know that was rubbish, but look at the different types of bowler in cricket . Out and out pace, seam bowling, swing bowling, reverse swing, then there are spin bowlers, leg and off, including variations. And that’s not exhaustive. Then there are the variety of cricket shots. To my uneducated eye baseball has ‘cow corner type swing’ and dabbed single to cover.

    I’m joking a bit, as I’m sure that there complexities in baseball, but it’s not likely to me to be more complex than cricket.
    But there are different types of pitcher too. Out and out pace. Slider, sinker, changeup. The knuckleballer has all but disappeared.
    And shots. There are fewer shots simply because hitting the ball is so difficult with smaller bats and a guy throwing downwards at you from closer.
    But cricket doesn't have the subtleties of advancing a base runner/runners.
    There isn't the concept of sacrifice nor fielder's choice.
    It's an entirely different sport.
    Also the ball is thrown faster than in cricket.

    It's a far less interesting game, but some of the physical skills are remarkable.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    However bad MoD procurement is, there's always a way to make it worse.

    Also tonight @LOS_Fisher reports that as part of the deal to inject fresh funding into the MoD, the Treasury is proposing to take control of the spending on the GCAP programme
    https://x.com/larisamlbrown/status/2062278110465216557
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836

    Andy_JS said:

    Whilst Pb is very sensible I am afraid I worry that a majority of the public will agree with everything Farage says

    What is it about Farage's policies that you don't like specifically?
    I'll give you my first three*: He's a racist. He is Trump adjacent. His ties with Russia are particularly troubling.

    I do not believe he operates to promote the interests of our country and neither does his party

    * Out of dozens
    All three of those are highly reasonable grounds for seeing Farage as unfit for public life, as indeed are his narcissm, his ability to fall out with colleagues, his laziness and his love of alcohol. They are not policies though.

    I object to his plans to repeal workplace protections such as unfair dismissal, and his plan to repeal the Equality Act so that women can be sacked for getting pregnant. While in principle I am not against a system of mandatory insurance to replace the NHS, I do not think he has made any serious effort to devise a coherent plan to implement it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,576
    I think many people have lost basic public courtesy now.

    I see much more rudeness than I used to, including pushing and shoving, and that can come from passengers, customers, punters and even staff.

    No-one seems to take responsibility for themselves.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,244
    Andy_JS said:

    "A Suffolk MP said she had launched legal action against Elon Musk's xAI over the design of its Grok chatbot tool, after she claimed it was used to create fake images of her in a bikini.

    Jess Asato, the Labour MP for Lowestoft, previously said she felt violated after an image of her was manipulated using artificial intelligence.

    She said a legal case was filed at the High Court on Wednesday. The MP is seeking damages but also wants to set a precedent for companies to be liable for the design of AI systems."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62xpv34d9do

    Hope she has lots of cash as the costs if she loses or even withdraws could be high. Would be interested to know whether this is an 'arranged' case where both sides have agreed to swallow their own costs in order to establish case law.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,244

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    I have to do 1 hour of DEI training every three years, but it is pretty much brain dead stuff. Apparently I am not allowed to discriminate against people with protected characteristics and need to be careful of using obselete language about them. That really is pretty much it.
    ...and that's DEI?

    Sounds like good workplace relationships to me.

    I suppose all of these reform councils can now tolerate name calling and being generally unpleasant to people different from them. Just like Farage at school?
    'DEI training' from an HR perspective seems a lot about avoiding get sued. There is nothing worse on a Friday afternoon than having a ET claim or an ACAS call about an ex-employee or a soon to be ex-employee claiming discrimination. Usually they were discriminated against on the basis of being f'ing useless.

    If there has been training then you can mitigate or win the case. But it usually depends on whether the tribunal judge was in a good mood that day.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    Criminal Cases Review Commission applications from ethnic minorities 25%
    versus 18.3% in UK population

    Arrests (2022-5), proportion of white people (where data recorded) 79%
    versus 81.7% in population

    The average custodial sentence length (ACSL) was 18.4 months for White defendants, compared to 28.6 months for Black defendants

    “There was an association between an offender’s ethnicity and the odds of receiving a custodial sentence for indictable offences. When controlling for various offender and case characteristics there was a statistically significant association for offenders of Black and Other ethnic groups with increased odds of receiving a custodial sentence, compared to White offenders.” https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2024/statistics-on-ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2024-html#offence-analysis
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/ (2020)

    People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.

    This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’.

    Evidence also suggests that offenders from BAME backgrounds receive longer custodial sentences
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    Battlebus said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "A Suffolk MP said she had launched legal action against Elon Musk's xAI over the design of its Grok chatbot tool, after she claimed it was used to create fake images of her in a bikini.

    Jess Asato, the Labour MP for Lowestoft, previously said she felt violated after an image of her was manipulated using artificial intelligence.

    She said a legal case was filed at the High Court on Wednesday. The MP is seeking damages but also wants to set a precedent for companies to be liable for the design of AI systems."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62xpv34d9do

    Hope she has lots of cash as the costs if she loses or even withdraws could be high. Would be interested to know whether this is an 'arranged' case where both sides have agreed to swallow their own costs in order to establish case law.
    Or if she’s being funded to take the case on.

    Like what happened when the Hulkster went after Gawker. He was bankrolled by Peter Thiel.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    https://www.adruk.org/our-mission/our-impact/ethnic-inequalities-in-the-criminal-justice-system-1/ (2025)

    Ethnic disproportionality exists to varying levels at different stages of the criminal justice system, and over particular defendant and case characteristics.

    The extent of disproportionality varies considerably between ethnic subgroups within the Asian, Black, mixed and white ethnic minority groups. Defendants from ethnic minority groups are more likely to be sent to Crown Court for trial, to plead not guilty, and to be remanded in custody when they appear in the Crown Court, than people from the white British group. While ethnic minority defendants have lower or similar conviction rates than white British defendants, if convicted, they are more likely to receive a custodial sentence and a longer sentence length. Ethnic disproportionally is much more pronounced among young male defendants and for drugs offences.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,928
    Good morning, everyone.

    Interesting stats. I wonder what they are for men and women...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    When you flick through PB and you think you've lost your marbles and then you come across a post like this with 13 'likes' it's quite life affirming. Not everyone's a Telegraph reading Faragist moron.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Don't blind them with facts of Farage might have to work for a living
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 581

    https://www.adruk.org/our-mission/our-impact/ethnic-inequalities-in-the-criminal-justice-system-1/ (2025)

    Ethnic disproportionality exists to varying levels at different stages of the criminal justice system, and over particular defendant and case characteristics.

    The extent of disproportionality varies considerably between ethnic subgroups within the Asian, Black, mixed and white ethnic minority groups. Defendants from ethnic minority groups are more likely to be sent to Crown Court for trial, to plead not guilty, and to be remanded in custody when they appear in the Crown Court, than people from the white British group. While ethnic minority defendants have lower or similar conviction rates than white British defendants, if convicted, they are more likely to receive a custodial sentence and a longer sentence length. Ethnic disproportionally is much more pronounced among young male defendants and for drugs offences.

    Methinks you are protesting too much..... RATTLED!🤔🤔🤔
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    edited 6:22AM

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/

    The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    Yet they’re statistically far less likely to commit any crimes. Makes you think. 🤔
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948
    scampi25 said:

    https://www.adruk.org/our-mission/our-impact/ethnic-inequalities-in-the-criminal-justice-system-1/ (2025)

    Ethnic disproportionality exists to varying levels at different stages of the criminal justice system, and over particular defendant and case characteristics.

    The extent of disproportionality varies considerably between ethnic subgroups within the Asian, Black, mixed and white ethnic minority groups. Defendants from ethnic minority groups are more likely to be sent to Crown Court for trial, to plead not guilty, and to be remanded in custody when they appear in the Crown Court, than people from the white British group. While ethnic minority defendants have lower or similar conviction rates than white British defendants, if convicted, they are more likely to receive a custodial sentence and a longer sentence length. Ethnic disproportionally is much more pronounced among young male defendants and for drugs offences.

    Methinks you are protesting too much..... RATTLED!🤔🤔🤔
    Is that the best response you can muster, scampi? Try harder.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,953
    edited 6:23AM
    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    I have to do 1 hour of DEI training every three years, but it is pretty much brain dead stuff. Apparently I am not allowed to discriminate against people with protected characteristics and need to be careful of using obselete language about them. That really is pretty much it.
    ...and that's DEI?

    Sounds like good workplace relationships to me.

    I suppose all of these reform councils can now tolerate name calling and being generally unpleasant to people different from them. Just like Farage at school?
    'DEI training' from an HR perspective seems a lot about avoiding get sued. There is nothing worse on a Friday afternoon than having a ET claim or an ACAS call about an ex-employee or a soon to be ex-employee claiming discrimination. Usually they were discriminated against on the basis of being f'ing useless.

    If there has been training then you can mitigate or win the case. But it usually depends on whether the tribunal judge was in a good mood that day.
    And this is why rolling back employee rights is the best solution.

    Currently the system is heavily biased against employers and in favour of employees.

    The protections don't generally benefit good employees, as good employees are by definition usually very little trouble. What they do is make the bad ones extremely difficult and expensive to sack, because taking an employer to a tribunal is pretty much cost free, and there are so many spurious ground available that dud employees can usually find one of them that has a fighting chance of applying.

    This all effects the supply and demand equations of employment - as a whole it makes employing people more expensive, so there are less jobs to go round, and it also makes people riskier to employ the less of a decent track record they've got, so employers are biased against the young, or those with dodgy employment histories.

    If we binned it all, let employers hire and fire at will*, the job market would be far more dynamic, there would be more jobs, and it would be vastly easier to get jobs.

    *I would retain redundancy payments on the current basis, that is a sensible provision, but employers would be allowed to make anyone redundant without any possibility of tribunal over the proccess. I would also maintain protections for pregnant women, but I think the state should pay for maternity leave, not employers - zero maternity leave is unfair on women, but the current system is unfair on business, especially small business, and results in a hidden, but very real, bias against employing women of child bearing age.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,554

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/
    My understanding is when contrilled for relevant factors like parental income whites do considerably worse for education (apart from Roma, who do worst of all).
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/

    The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
    Raw figures are pretty meaningless.

    It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.

    No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447
    theProle said:

    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed

    But our bureaucrat in chief is adamant that the toothless IOPC investigation which is buying copious whitewash right now will find it wasn't fear of being seen as racist or anything to with bullshit diversity training that has infected every aspect of the public sector.
    Max, hun, stop acting like a chump.

    I work in the public sector, you don't. I have not had any "bullshit diversity training" in any of the institutions where I have worked. That's enough to disprove your thesis about every aspect of the public sector. Can I suggest changing your media diet?

    Yes, I've had enough of grifters on the right projecting nonsense at the gullible to get them angry. Because it leads to people getting hurt.

    See also:

    Over the weekend Orla Minihane, a national spokesperson for Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain party, claimed that Eastbury School in Barking, east London, had left a young girl in tears after confiscating her packed lunch.

    Minihane claimed this was because the pupil “had a ham sandwich [and] pork is banned” at the school.

    The post on X quickly amassed 33,000 likes, more than half a million views and vast numbers of anti-Muslim replies. In response to those who asked for the evidence of the ham sandwich ban, Minihane said she was “merely telling you what I was told”, and invited followers to “call the school” if they don’t believe her.

    So London Centric did exactly that.

    The school directed us to Barking and Dagenham Council, who told us: “Eastbury Community School is not a pork-free school and pork products are available within the school’s catering provision. The school is not aware of any incident in which a pupil has had food confiscated for bringing pork products into school.”


    https://www.londoncentric.media/p/lime-bike-axes-speed-limits-for-deliveroo

    The populist right tells lies to make the gullible angry. And I've had enough of kid-gloving that.
    I have to do 1 hour of DEI training every three years, but it is pretty much brain dead stuff. Apparently I am not allowed to discriminate against people with protected characteristics and need to be careful of using obselete language about them. That really is pretty much it.
    ...and that's DEI?

    Sounds like good workplace relationships to me.

    I suppose all of these reform councils can now tolerate name calling and being generally unpleasant to people different from them. Just like Farage at school?
    'DEI training' from an HR perspective seems a lot about avoiding get sued. There is nothing worse on a Friday afternoon than having a ET claim or an ACAS call about an ex-employee or a soon to be ex-employee claiming discrimination. Usually they were discriminated against on the basis of being f'ing useless.

    If there has been training then you can mitigate or win the case. But it usually depends on whether the tribunal judge was in a good mood that day.
    And this is why rolling back employee rights is the best solution.

    Currently the system is heavily biased against employers and in favour of employees.

    The protections don't generally benefit good employees, as good employees are by definition usually very little trouble. What they do is make the bad ones extremely difficult and expensive to sack, because taking an employer to a tribunal is pretty much cost free, and there are so many spurious ground available that dud employees can usually find one of them that has a fighting chance of applying.

    This all effects the supply and demand equations of employment - as a whole it makes employing people more expensive, so there are less jobs to go round, and it also makes people riskier to employ the less of a decent track record they've got, so employers are biased against the young, or those with dodgy employment histories.

    If we binned it all, let employers hire and fire at will*, the job market would be far more dynamic, there would be more jobs, and it would be vastly easier to get jobs.

    *I would retain redundancy payments on the current basis, that is a sensible provision, but employers would be allowed to make anyone redundant without any possibility of tribunal over the proccess. I would also maintain protections for pregnant women, but I think the state should pay for maternity leave, not employers - zero maternity leave is unfair on women, but the current system is unfair on business, especially small business, and results in a hidden, but very real, bias against employing women of child bearing age.
    Statutory maternity pay is very low. It’s more of an issue being required to keep the job open

    And there need to be protections against dodgy employers. Fire at will is terrible in the US and leads to all sorts of abuses.

    But uncapping payments and requiring employers to pay costs have made it a risk free option as you say

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,447

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
    The way you presented the data implied that.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,630
    Nigelb said:

    However bad MoD procurement is, there's always a way to make it worse.

    Also tonight @LOS_Fisher reports that as part of the deal to inject fresh funding into the MoD, the Treasury is proposing to take control of the spending on the GCAP programme
    https://x.com/larisamlbrown/status/2062278110465216557

    The Treasury probably should take control. From February 2025 to January 2026 the projected program cost increased by 35% to nearly £50 billion. If things continue in this manner, the RAF will consist entirely of one GCAP delivered in 2050 and they won't be able to afford to put fuel in it.

    It's shaping up, much like Typhoon, to be an incredibly expensive disarmament program as so much else will have to be sacrificed for it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498
    dixiedean said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @gravitysra1nbow.bsky.social‬

    Will it mean anything practical? No. But putting the President in a position where he has to veto a War Powers resolution from Congress so he can continue to prosecute a conflict is a genuinely remarkable political collapse.

    It's probably not even fair to say it means nothing practical. An inability to control your own caucus and prevent them from doing this is extremely politically damaging and severely constrains your freedom of action.

    That's very superficial. The philosophical and the values are as important as the practical.

    Trump wants to show that the democratic structures cannot function, so that his overthrow of the US Constitution becomes the only "logical" option. He wants there to be no alternative. To give up on democratic accountability, even if it is damaged at present by the Republican Party turning into a grouip of bootlicking cowards, is to play into the hands of the aspiring authoritarians.

    It can go beyond that , but the USA is not there yet, so they still need to push Plan A. There are a number of examples where authoritarian governments were defeated this way, including in Eastern Europe.

    Compare to Hungary - it is the reassertion of Hungary as a democracy that has reestablished Hungary as a democracy.

    Also compare to the Civil Rights Movement. The violence imposed by the Southern Establishment was defeated by the peacefulness and the discipline of the movement. Had the leadership turned to violence, it would have caused a spiral.
    This is also the Farage strategy. He desperately wants to prove the system not only isn't working, but can't possibly work.
    Which is why those who profess to find it ultra hilarious if Burnham loses might be laughing on the other side soon enough.
    I think there are instructive comparisons between USA and UK:

    1 - The US setup is far more vulnerable to human failure and human corruption, because so much of it is elected and depends on people committed to the common good if it is to be effective. That has been the basis of historic problems since its foundation. The flip side of that is that (until Trump) problems were more localised.

    2 - In the UK we have far more institutionalised safeguards that in local Government Farage has been trying to move through his centralised party organisation where he just mandates local councillors to do X, Y or Z no matter what the consequences, and his munchkins on the Councils do things to undermine scrutiny, as we see across the country.

    The other side of that is that supremacy of Parliament with few hard guardrails around it means that ultimately there can be a bigger downside eg if we have a compliant Speaker. And we have a weaker local civil society than the USA as so much is institutionalised.

    In both countries, the weak point in Trump or Farage's programme is what it always is - the authoritarian model reduces the gene pool of competent politicians, and promotes self-serving grifters . So they will always fail to be effective. That is imo what did for Orban, plus an opposition leader who campaigned effectively.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,783

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
    There is a recent Instagram video of a young policeman stopping a black guy in a a Bentley and essentially asserting that he has been stopped because the car and the driver are incongruous. The young WPC then demonstrates she doesn't understand how an "any driver" policy works, but that is by-the-by.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
    The way you presented the data implied that.
    As did the Right Revd John Sentamu when he was Bishop of Stepney:

    The only black member of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, which found that the metropolitan police was institutionally racist, yesterday said he felt demeaned after an officer stopped and searched his car.

    John Sentamu, the Anglican Bishop of Stepney, was made to get out of his vehicle in the rain after being stopped near St Paul's cathedral.

    He said it was the eighth time in eight years that he had been questioned by police exercising their stop and search powers, which research has shown is directed disproportionately at black people.
    ...
    The bishop asked him why he had been stopped. "He said 'just open the boot'. His voice was getting agitated.

    "He asked me what I did, and I said 'I'm the Bishop of Stepney'. He said 'whoops'. I revealed my dog collar and he looked as if he'd just seen a ghost."

    Despite repeated requests, the officer would not justify his search to the bishop and had kept saying "off you go".

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jan/24/race.world
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,498



    “What is it about Farage's policies that you don't like specifically?”

    That his policies are mostly just assertions of positions that rarely survive scrutiny and that his response to scrutiny is to claim bias.

    It’s the playbook of the Shockjock; Say something outrageous to get attention and then claim your a martyr when challenged

    Like Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk, he’s not a Politician he’a an Act!

    Peter.

    He also keeps repeating himself, almost mechanically :smiley: .
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    MattW said:

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
    The way you presented the data implied that.
    As did the Right Revd John Sentamu when he was Bishop of Stepney:

    The only black member of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, which found that the metropolitan police was institutionally racist, yesterday said he felt demeaned after an officer stopped and searched his car.

    John Sentamu, the Anglican Bishop of Stepney, was made to get out of his vehicle in the rain after being stopped near St Paul's cathedral.

    He said it was the eighth time in eight years that he had been questioned by police exercising their stop and search powers, which research has shown is directed disproportionately at black people.
    ...
    The bishop asked him why he had been stopped. "He said 'just open the boot'. His voice was getting agitated.

    "He asked me what I did, and I said 'I'm the Bishop of Stepney'. He said 'whoops'. I revealed my dog collar and he looked as if he'd just seen a ghost."

    Despite repeated requests, the officer would not justify his search to the bishop and had kept saying "off you go".

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jan/24/race.world
    Over a quarter of a century ago.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    Thames Water hosting a recruitment day for Refugees only 😂

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2062296112283738305?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/
    My understanding is when contrilled for relevant factors like parental income whites do considerably worse for education (apart from Roma, who do worst of all).
    Especially working class white kids. Fewer of whom go to Uni.

    Now is this reverse racism or is it because they don’t want to go, as a group, and go into trades ?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,469
    It is a measure of how far the United States has fallen that there are now huge protests in Albania against the clear corruption of Jared Kushner.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/04/protests-in-albania-grow-over-jared-kushner-backed-luxury-resort

    The only way the Americans can come back from this is a comprehensive truth commission and the con man President, his criminal family and those who enabled his crimes around the world are jailed.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,335

    I think many people have lost basic public courtesy now.

    I see much more rudeness than I used to, including pushing and shoving, and that can come from passengers, customers, punters and even staff.

    No-one seems to take responsibility for themselves.

    We have entered the age if I Me Mine politics. The run down of money for so many people is self-evident. They have less cash each month - if they have anything left at all. They see the run down of public services and the public environment - pavements, shops, pot-holes etc etc. And they hear that others get stuff for free, or are abusing the system, or are on the take - and getting away with it.

    So why be polite when it gets you nowhere? Why be deferent to a system working against you? Why wait your turn when others are pushing and taking?

    This is why I would start at street level. Pull up the weeds, fill the cracks in the pavement, fill the pot holes. Repossess the empty property hoarded by investors far away. Start regenerating the environment in a way that is visible and meaningful. Whilst inviting people to get involved - come help us.

    Then, hopefully, people start to give a fuck again.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
    The way you presented the data implied that.
    As did the Right Revd John Sentamu when he was Bishop of Stepney:

    The only black member of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, which found that the metropolitan police was institutionally racist, yesterday said he felt demeaned after an officer stopped and searched his car.

    John Sentamu, the Anglican Bishop of Stepney, was made to get out of his vehicle in the rain after being stopped near St Paul's cathedral.

    He said it was the eighth time in eight years that he had been questioned by police exercising their stop and search powers, which research has shown is directed disproportionately at black people.
    ...
    The bishop asked him why he had been stopped. "He said 'just open the boot'. His voice was getting agitated.

    "He asked me what I did, and I said 'I'm the Bishop of Stepney'. He said 'whoops'. I revealed my dog collar and he looked as if he'd just seen a ghost."

    Despite repeated requests, the officer would not justify his search to the bishop and had kept saying "off you go".

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jan/24/race.world
    Over a quarter of a century ago.
    So do you agree there was at that time a culture of institutional police racism at that time that needed tackling?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Heath seems to be arguing that the efforts to "crush" racism in the police have had the unintended consequence of creating "anti-white" racism. What makes him think the approach his rhetoric implies won't have similarly unintended consequences ?

    Or is he simply rabble rousing ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    Whilst Pb is very sensible I am afraid I worry that a majority of the public will agree with everything Farage says

    It doesn't even have to be a majority. With the current scores on the doors, 25% might be enough to do the trick.
    Not for a majority, maybe not even for most seats if anti Reform tactical voting
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    ...

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    When King of the unhinged headline Allister Heath is quoted as a sage source, one has to conclude that PB has lost its mind.
    If Alister Heath says it it pretty much guarantees that it is rage-baiting tosh.

    I am more inclined to believe Sir Andy Cooke, the recently reired Inspector of Constabulary:

    "Cooke, who was appointed by the Conservatives and won praise from both main parties, said: “Throughout my five years at the inspectorate, I found no evidence at all to support any claim there was an anti-white bias in operational policing."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/police-chief-warns-anti-white-bias-claims-could-drive-uk-policing-back-to-60s?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
    I believe as a nation we are approaching a very dangerous crossroads. When a disingenuous hypocrite politician is allowed to promote a totally false narrative, a narrative which far from being called out is propagated by the Daily Telegraph as fact we are heading to a place that we resisted in the 1930s. By the "likes" that the original post got, even the august posters of PB are buying into these lies.
    “Our commitment to racial equity means producing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial equality).” – NPCC

    When police forces are being told to do this, and they are, it is clear to all but a complete idiot that two tier policing is a reality. It is not a conspiracy, it is not a 'vibe', it is there in black and white. Police forces are actively being judged by the Government on whether they can produce equal outcomes for ethnic minorities when compared to white people. That means if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it.

    I have pointed this out to you, and will continue to do so. By ignoring it, it is now you who is lying.
    It does not mean that if there is an epidemic of a particular crime amongst an ethnic minority, ignoring it. You’ve just made that up. A black man walking down the street in the UK is much more likely to be stopped by police than a white man.
    That’s too simplistic.

    A neatly dressed black man in a well fitting suit walking down a street in a middle class area has about as much chance of being stopped as a neatly dressed white man in a well fitting suit on the same street.

    But he has a much lower chance of being stopped than a white man who looks out of place by virtue of his dress, behaviour etc.

    It’s way too simplistic to just say “he’s black” as if that’s the only attribute that matters
    I didn’t say it was the only attribute that matters.

    (And — anecdote alert — a friend’s partner who was a well-dressed black man driving a nice car had plenty of stories about how many times the police stopped him!)
    The way you presented the data implied that.
    As did the Right Revd John Sentamu when he was Bishop of Stepney:

    The only black member of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, which found that the metropolitan police was institutionally racist, yesterday said he felt demeaned after an officer stopped and searched his car.

    John Sentamu, the Anglican Bishop of Stepney, was made to get out of his vehicle in the rain after being stopped near St Paul's cathedral.

    He said it was the eighth time in eight years that he had been questioned by police exercising their stop and search powers, which research has shown is directed disproportionately at black people.
    ...
    The bishop asked him why he had been stopped. "He said 'just open the boot'. His voice was getting agitated.

    "He asked me what I did, and I said 'I'm the Bishop of Stepney'. He said 'whoops'. I revealed my dog collar and he looked as if he'd just seen a ghost."

    Despite repeated requests, the officer would not justify his search to the bishop and had kept saying "off you go".

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/jan/24/race.world
    Over a quarter of a century ago.
    So do you agree there was at that time a culture of institutional police racism at that time that needed tackling?

    I don’t recall ever denying historically there was institutional racism, not just against blacks, in Plod that needed tackling so I’m not quite sure why you need to phrase it that way.

    It’s totally irrelevant to today
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's now clear Badenoch has decided Farage meant what he said all along when he talked about destroying the Conservative Party and has decided to fight back.

    Her words are fine - I'm sure they would have been echoed by all sensible politicians and they would have been as lauded for them as she seems to be by her devotees.

    Rhetoric often crashes into reality - I am frequently told by Mrs Stodge how overworked and under pressure Police resources are in East London and the problem, bluntly, is they cannot recruit. They simply cannot get enough new officers to bulk up the establishment.

    Overworked and under pressure officers make mistakes as everyone does in all fields when times are tough and there are gaps whether it be Police, social workers or whatever.

    "they cannot recruit."

    And yet a million kids are niets.

    Come on, you can do better than this.

    What is causing the inability to recruit? Is it the training, the money, the culture or something else? Is becoming a Police Officer seen as a viable and valuable career path these days and if not, why not?

    I'd argue we need to create specialised training and education packages for trainee Police Officers to begin at age 16 - as someone once said, a comprehensive education to make up for a comprehensive education. That will take money and infrastructure - will, for instance, Kemi Badenoch commit to such funding?

    It also begs the question as to what kind of Police force we want or need these days and indeed recent events have thrown that into sharper focus.
    Already exist in FE- it's BTECs in Public Services. But nobody cares, or even knows, about FE. Certainly nobody wants to spend money on it.
    It is, or at least used to be, the police cadets which funnelled 16-year-olds into the Met over two years, although it has been watered down in recent decades.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,948

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/

    The ADR UK report linked to above does more in terms of trying to control for other factors.
    Raw figures are pretty meaningless.

    It’s a particular bugbear of mine that people look at the percentage of, say, court judges in their 60s who are black and say “it’s too low, we’re racist”.

    No. It just means that 35 years ago we had fewer black lawyers qualifying, and hence have a smaller pool of candidates for judges today. It will work itself out over time
    Raw figures are a good starting point. But, yes, these are complex phenomena where it can be difficult to know what factors are at play…

    … which is what I’ve been saying in reaction to the headless chickens running around claiming we have two tier policing and anti-white racism based on one event that we still don’t know the full details of.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,654
    People piling on the police. DEI and Black Lives Matter on the Henry Nowak case should perhaps read the judge's sentencing statement, in particular paragraphs 21, 22 and 27, where he makes clear the police were seriously misled by the perpetrators and thinks they acted reasonably in the circumstances.

    Unfortunately most of our politicians are pandering contrary to the facts of the case, most egregiously Farage, but also Badenoch and even to some extent Starmer

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    NEW THREAD

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    edited 6:57AM
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    However bad MoD procurement is, there's always a way to make it worse.

    Also tonight @LOS_Fisher reports that as part of the deal to inject fresh funding into the MoD, the Treasury is proposing to take control of the spending on the GCAP programme
    https://x.com/larisamlbrown/status/2062278110465216557

    The Treasury probably should take control. From February 2025 to January 2026 the projected program cost increased by 35% to nearly £50 billion. If things continue in this manner, the RAF will consist entirely of one GCAP delivered in 2050 and they won't be able to afford to put fuel in it.

    It's shaping up, much like Typhoon, to be an incredibly expensive disarmament program as so much else will have to be sacrificed for it.
    It's certainly a hard and consequential decision either to go ahead with, or kill the program.
    I'm not sure why you think the Treasury "taking control" will improve the way it's managed, though.

    https://x.com/navalhistorian/status/2062298874878836804
    Although depicted as an MoD-Treasury "turf war" there's a buried lede to this story that goes back to the mega projects report of the Treasury's Office for Value for Money in June 2025, which was, in fact, rather critical of the Treasury's own behaviour https://gov.uk/government/publications/value-for-money-vfm-study-on-the-governance-and-budgeting-arrangements-for-mega-projects

    Key criticisms included perverse incentives & annualisation creating a situation where "Living within annual budgets is prioritised over delivery..." with recommendations that included flexible project budgets & streamlined decision-making (all well known improvements).

    The Treasury ultimately accepted the Office for Value for Money's report, but to the surprise of the Commons Public Accounts Committee, restricted the implementation of its improvements to just three projects (GCAP would the the fourth). https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmselect/cmpubacc/642/report.html


    The Treasury has been accused before, with some justification, of trying to become a government within the government.
    I'm not convinced that would turn out any better under Reeves...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    In a miserable year so far the ousting of Orban is one really positive highlight .

    The corruption and grifting was his downfall . Hearing Ode to Joy played in the Budapest parliament on Magyars swearing in was a truly joyous moment .

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,576
    Taz said:

    Thames Water hosting a recruitment day for Refugees only 😂

    https://x.com/dailymail/status/2062296112283738305?s=61

    This appears to be true. It's being held tomorrow afternoon in Reading!

    https://uk.talent.com/view?id=620430042937433186
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,836
    Taz said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Allister Heath in the Telegraph.

    "Anti-white racism is real, and there’ll be more Henry Nowaks until it’s crushed
    Critical race theory has taken us from Martin Luther King’s inspiring vision of a colour-blind society to today"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/anti-white-racism-is-real-and-its-been-corrupting-britain/

    Employment rates (2022 figures):
    White 77%
    Black 69%

    Stop and search (2023 figures) per 100,000:
    White British 5.6
    Black 24.5

    Court judges (2024 figures) v working age population (2021 figures):
    White 89.6% v 80.7%
    Black 1.3% v 4.4%

    Median earnings (2022):
    White £14.35 per hour
    Black £13.53 per hour
    Employment - controlled for education?
    Stop and search - controlled for location, criminal tendency (ie gang membership) etc?
    Judges - controlled for age?
    Earnings - controlled for education?
    Those are all raw figures. Court judges is compared with the working age population.

    There are significant disparities in educational outcomes, including when controlling for relevant factors, e.g. https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1339899/
    My understanding is when contrilled for relevant factors like parental income whites do considerably worse for education (apart from Roma, who do worst of all).
    Especially working class white kids. Fewer of whom go to Uni.

    Now is this reverse racism or is it because they don’t want to go, as a group, and go into trades ?
    I think it is mostly due to family culture. School results even before age 16 are noticibly poorer, and also for dual-heritage and afro-caribbean pupils. Results are better for British Asian, Chinese, Black African pupils as there are more 2 parent families and a family culture that values academic achievement.

    White middle class children do better as more parents stay together, and there is more economic and social capital to fall back on if the family does split up.

    We would be a much better society if the desire to be well-read was stronger than the desire to be famous or popular.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    The much delayed defence spending plan is rumoured to be out next week.

    Treasury is preparing to seize control from the MoD of spending on the GCAP multibillion-pound fighter jet programme, as part of DIP settlement

    Turf grab is part of the final DIP wrangling, with PM set to unveil c. £15bn extra for military up til 2030, including c. £6bn for GCAP, in an announcement as soon as next week (with Thurs 11 June mooted as target date)

    PM and Chx have a “fundamental disagreement” over GCAP, which Reeves fears could be “just the next HS2” - ie beset by spiralling costs, delivery delays and shrinking scope - acc to govt figure. (Person close to Reeves denies characterisation of disagreement with PM)

    The Treasury bid to take control of GCAP spending is designed to help avoid repeat of past MoD debacles on equipment programmes

    Officials are set to justify the move by pointing to complicated intl structure of GCAP, which UK is developing with Japan and Italy, and complexity of programme... but some govt insiders fear those same structures will make spending difficult to rein in

    Comes ahead of Japanese PM’s planned visit to UK next week

    https://x.com/LOS_Fisher/status/2062271519309586743

    If Reeves were to take control of the program, that would become a self-fulfilling prophesy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited 7:01AM

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-what-does-recent-data-say/ (2020)

    People from a Black, Asian, ‘Mixed’ or ‘Chinese and other’ background were over-represented as defendants in the criminal justice system in 2019, according to Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data.

    This was largely because people from these ethnic groups made up a disproportionate share of people arrested, and this carried through to the prosecution, conviction, and imprisonment stages. The MoJ categorises these ethnic groups as ‘BAME’.

    Evidence also suggests that offenders from BAME backgrounds receive longer custodial sentences

    Chinese Britons though are a below average percentage of the prison population and earn more than the median UK salary on average and more than white Britons on average, as do Indian Britons

    https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48919813
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