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The Biden economy is really hurting Trump – politicalbetting.com

NEW Economist/YouGov May 29-Jun 1: The economy% of U.S. adult citizens saying they think that overall, the economy is getting better | worse…At the start of Donald Trump's second term 19% | 37%Now 15% | 59%yougov.com/en-us/articl…

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    He was also elected not to get involved in war in the Middle East*

    *In his own mind, of course, he was elected to loot as much of the United States as possible.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,240
    edited June 3
    Peter Navarro is out there batting for Trump

    It's the Iranians' fault and

    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5906113-iran-terror-inflation-us-confrontation/

    Fed shouldn't increase rates to control inflation

    https://thehill.com/business/5907788-pete-navarro-interest-rates-federal-reserve/

    So all eyes on next Wednesday's meeting to see how Trump's pick handles it.

    Have I ever mentioned DARVO. Seems to be quite a thing with Trump's crowd

    DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) is a manipulative tactic often used by abusers, narcissists, and perpetrators of misconduct when held accountable. Coined by psychologist Dr. Jennifer Freyd in the 1990s, it is a defensive mechanism designed to evade responsibility, silence the victim, and shift blame
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    The comedy for Americans on the economy is that so many of them combine genuine ignorance about life outside Gilead with being gaslit for decades by exploitative politicians of both parties.

    The coming catastrofuck with oil and inflation will hit them as hard as anyone. But they either believe prices will fall, or that it won't affect them.

    People can be endlessly lied to about theory. Hard to keep saying prices are going down as prices go up...
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878
    I'm always interested by the separation of inflation/prices v. jobs/economy.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878
    edited June 3
    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    Indeed.

    1. Dismantle the economy
    2. Dismantle the universities and research culture to delay future recovery
    3. [Do something here, 2BD]
    4. Profit

    That approach is always going to involve a certain amount of pain.

    Funnily enough there's a memo somewhere in Moscow or Beijing that has the same list headed "Plan for USA".
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    edited June 3
    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    How is he restructuring the economy - all he’s done is send the price of gas sky high although they do appear to be down slightly on last weeks all time highs
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,452
    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    Hahahahaha.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,326
    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    We're all in it together. His family, that is.

    Since Trump is not up for re-election, and his family has somehow acquired more money than Croesus, freedom from tax audits and pre-emptive pardons, why should he care?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    mwadams said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    Indeed.

    1. Dismantle the economy
    2. Dismantle the universities and research culture to delay future recovery
    3. [Do something here, 2BD]
    4. Profit

    That approach is always going to involve a certain amount of pain.

    Funnily enough there's a memo somewhere in Moscow or Beijing that has the same list headed "Plan for USA".
    I doubt it, even the biggest comedian in their intelligence never believed they would get this scenario.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,024
    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    Aye. Restructuring the economy for the benefit of the Trump family
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,115
    They were doing Nazi salutes
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,593
    And so it starts again.

    Former officer in hiding after being falsely linked to Henry Nowak arrest
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/03/former-officer-hampshire-hiding-after-being-falsely-linked-henry-nowak-arrest
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    They were doing Nazi salutes

    Such patriots.

    The'd be interned during the War.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    There was a PB header on Vance the other day:


    President Trump suggested Vice President Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio should run together on a joint Republican ticket in the 2028 presidential election, though he stopped short of saying whom he’d prefer as his successor.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5908001-trump-suggests-2028-vance-rubio-ticket/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    edited June 3
    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    They were doing Nazi salutes

    Pearl clutching aside the ones I saw doing it were not doing it out of devotion to the Fuhrer but as a statement of the state of the U.K./Police state.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,115
    Andy_JS said:

    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pohole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here.

    Which states? Some of the roads in NYC are terrible
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,593
    rottenborough said:

    There was a PB header on Vance the other day:


    President Trump suggested Vice President Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio should run together on a joint Republican ticket in the 2028 presidential election, though he stopped short of saying whom he’d prefer as his successor.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5908001-trump-suggests-2028-vance-rubio-ticket/

    Lieu: Instead of holding North Korea style cabinet meetings where everyone kisses Trump’s ass, I’m going to ask you to come clean—there is something wrong with Trump. There’s a reason he keeps going to the hospital and they keep giving him cognitive tests. We have not seen him in eight days.

    Rubio: I assure this is not a president who sleeps or who is cognitively impaired in any way.

    Lieu: I just showed you three videos of him sleeping.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2062191522934849895
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,326
    rottenborough said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    They were doing Nazi salutes

    Such patriots.

    The'd be interned during the War.
    Or sent to run the Bahamas.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    "Do you find yourself aimlessly scrolling? You're not alone"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czd2mq505dpo
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Fuxsake
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    RochdalePioneers said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Fuxsake
    Makes one despair
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    It certainly must.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,326
    Norwegian teen accused of flying to UK on 'crazy' hitman job for gang used by Iran
    https://news.sky.com/story/norwegian-teen-accused-of-flying-to-uk-on-crazy-hitman-job-for-gang-used-by-iran-13550337
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Today Starmer and Kemi judged the mood to perfection

    Farage showed that he is a toxic divisive politician not worthy of the highest office
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Fuxsake
    Makes one despair
    The opposite. It shows that Reform are sliding and Farage knows it. A few months back it was all about being professional and I might be the next PM here's our ideas. Now, its back to lets have a riot. They're getting demolished in Makerfield and once Farage loses then whats the point in him?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    RochdalePioneers said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    RochdalePioneers said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Fuxsake
    Makes one despair
    The opposite. It shows that Reform are sliding and Farage knows it. A few months back it was all about being professional and I might be the next PM here's our ideas. Now, its back to lets have a riot. They're getting demolished in Makerfield and once Farage loses then whats the point in him?
    Fingers crosssed
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224
    Wild story:

    https://news.sky.com/story/norwegian-teen-accused-of-flying-to-uk-on-crazy-hitman-job-for-gang-used-by-iran-13550337
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,326
    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    @rcs1000 thoughts on this.

    Tank bottom in CA coming on July 4th ! Jet fuel and diesel.

    https://x.com/captainroyen/status/2061855706282647610?s=61
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,240
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Andy_JS said:

    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pohole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here.

    Which states? Some of the roads in NYC are terrible
    Did you go to Vermont? Can remember crossing over from New York State to Vermont and the differences were immediate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    "FAKE NEWS from the CAMBRIDGE-EDUCATED LAWYER, aka. The SCHEMING OGLES! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    Taz said:

    @rcs1000 thoughts on this.

    Tank bottom in CA coming on July 4th ! Jet fuel and diesel.

    https://x.com/captainroyen/status/2061855706282647610?s=61

    “Tank bottom” is no way to refer to your mother in law whether she is going to the US or not.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    Andy_JS said:

    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.

    [Brummie accent] "We are considerably richer than yow!"
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    Taz said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    It certainly must.
    What's the world coming to when the Police dislike people who throw bottles and stones at them

    Just thinking about how we could introduce some efficiencies here, most of them have Union Jack tattoos, they want Union Jacks hung on lamp posts and bridges and they're biodegradable...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,127
    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    How is he restructuring the economy - all he’s done is send the price of gas sky high although they do appear to be down slightly on last weeks all time highs
    I don't know why so many people humour him. 80% of his posts just say 'look at me'! A bit like Farage actually
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    Predictions of Farage’s political downfall on here today are very premature, methinks.

    I say that with no joy and will leave it there.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,033
    Roger said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    How is he restructuring the economy - all he’s done is send the price of gas sky high although they do appear to be down slightly on last weeks all time highs
    I don't know why so many people humour him. 80% of his posts just say 'look at me'! A bit like Farage actually
    Are you referring to Donald or William?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    And proper english-style ale to sip whilst watching:

    https://www.machinehousebrewery.com/

    Very civilized.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,127
    maxh said:

    Roger said:

    eek said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    How is he restructuring the economy - all he’s done is send the price of gas sky high although they do appear to be down slightly on last weeks all time highs
    I don't know why so many people humour him. 80% of his posts just say 'look at me'! A bit like Farage actually
    Are you referring to Donald or William?
    William.....but I suppose if the cap fits
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    In the US, I observed years ago, cities with foreign policies had potholes in their streets. And, I am ashamed to admit, I was mildly pleased to learn that Miami, which had an anti-Castro foreign policy, was having that problem. (The other cities with foreign policies had leftist foreign policies.)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,568
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    Tomorrow Never Canvasses.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    I note that Triple A baseball has an international league. It comprises of 20 teams that are spread across 14 states, unfortunately these are all states within the USA rather than nation states.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,876
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kemi spot on again

    https://x.com/i/status/2062201575628480893

    That may be the best thing I have seen her do. Just outstanding and absolutely right. This is how Farage needs to be brought down.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,738
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Today Starmer and Kemi judged the mood to perfection

    Farage showed that he is a toxic divisive politician not worthy of the highest office

    Farage's gambit is hysterical and cynical. He thinks such a tactic is going to work in his favour. I suggest what the last 48 hours has done is cement Farage with those who are sympathic to him and turned dislike into utter disdain for the rest of us.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,568
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    The Man With The Golden Rosette.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,552
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    Tomorrow Never Canvasses.
    Tomorrow Never Dives.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    The Man With The Golden Rosette.
    Orangefinger.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    Tomorrow Never Canvasses.
    Tomorrow Is Not Enough.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    boulay said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    The Man With The Golden Rosette.
    Orangefinger.
    From a view to a barchart.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    The Man With The Golden Rosette.
    The Living Shoulder-taps.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    DavidL said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Kemi spot on again

    https://x.com/i/status/2062201575628480893

    That may be the best thing I have seen her do. Just outstanding and absolutely right. This is how Farage needs to be brought down.
    I don't agree with all she says here but she has pitched this perfectly. The Tories should stick with her.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    boulay said:

    mwadams said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    Indeed.

    1. Dismantle the economy
    2. Dismantle the universities and research culture to delay future recovery
    3. [Do something here, 2BD]
    4. Profit

    That approach is always going to involve a certain amount of pain.

    Funnily enough there's a memo somewhere in Moscow or Beijing that has the same list headed "Plan for USA".
    I doubt it, even the biggest comedian in their intelligence never believed they would get this scenario.
    Putin seems to be genuinely disappointed that Trump wasn't able to pressure Ukraine into ceding territory to Russia. It's actually kinda funny.

    Though not as funny as seeing Ukrainian drones blow up oil storage tanks at an oil terminal near St Petersburg on the opening morning of the International Economic Forum, hosted by Putin. In St Petersburg.

    They're starting to ration fuel in Moscow too.

    If Europe can keep up their support for Ukraine I feel increasingly confident that Russia will be brought to its knees and defeated.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    boulay said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    Tomorrow Never Canvasses.
    Tomorrow Never Dives.
    No Time To Spy.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,170
    Nigelb said:

    Very sorry to see that Sir Alex Younger has died of cancer, aged just 62. Younger's wife 'was shocked that he had never told his mother he was a spy, and so he did. “Yes, darling, so was I,” his mother replied.'
    https://x.com/shashj/status/2062195485750759528

    Who?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    Cookie said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    We used to call it "Rounders" at primary school!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,859
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    The Man With The Golden Rosette.
    Orangefinger.
    From a view to a barchart.
    Diamond garden stakes are forever.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,170
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    The Man With The Golden Rosette.
    From Russia with polite agreement if it's OK with you?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,170
    edited June 3
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Cookie said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    National sport of Taiwan. On TV in every cafe and convenience store every evening during the Summer.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,876
    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    Tomorrow Never Canvasses.
    One thing's for sure, its not Tomorrow belongs to me.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,210
    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    She's still talking the same nonsense as Farage, just in slightly different language.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,791
    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    edited June 3
    Battlebus said:

    Peter Navarro is out there batting for Trump

    It's the Iranians' fault and

    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5906113-iran-terror-inflation-us-confrontation/

    Fed shouldn't increase rates to control inflation

    https://thehill.com/business/5907788-pete-navarro-interest-rates-federal-reserve/

    So all eyes on next Wednesday's meeting to see how Trump's pick handles it.

    Have I ever mentioned DARVO. Seems to be quite a thing with Trump's crowd

    DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) is a manipulative tactic often used by abusers, narcissists, and perpetrators of misconduct when held accountable. Coined by psychologist Dr. Jennifer Freyd in the 1990s, it is a defensive mechanism designed to evade responsibility, silence the victim, and shift blame

    That's a useful management technique: thank you.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,926
    Taz said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    It certainly must.
    But how to end it? What about Farage stops telling them that the police are prejudiced against them? That would be a good start. Because the police aren't prejudiced against them... well, not compared to black men, although probably compared to women or old men.

    (Also, why is Farage saying "males" and not "men"???)
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    We will swap you Zac Crawley for a baseball player of your choice.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    Nigelb said:

    .

    tlg86 said:

    How are the BBC able to do a Makerfield Question Time without having all the candidates there? Surely that's against the law?

    Binface comments:

    "I think they blackballed me because of this.."
    https://x.com/CountBinface/status/2062099042927067188
    That is absolutely brilliant.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Is he raising the SouthamptonSquadron?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    edited June 3
    ThomasNashe said:

    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,876
    Fairliered said:

    Jim_Miller said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    We will swap you Zac Crawley for a baseball player of your choice.
    Or anything else, really.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,792
    ThomasNashe said:

    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    He should become PM, recent history suggests that may be the best way to ensure you become irrelevant in politics very quickly - has happened to Starmer inside 2 years! And apart from the occasional genial comment about Major none of the others get a lot of respect when they opine on subjects.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,926
    Chris said:

    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    She's still talking the same nonsense as Farage, just in slightly different language.
    She comes across well and she's not whipping up hysteria, so points for that. Courage not rage is good wordplay. She's kinda trying to help... although saying Nowak's family don't want the matter politicised, so here's my political take on it doesn't quite work.

    That all said, she starts going on about the evils of critical race theory and, yes, that is just made-up MAGA white greivance nonsense.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    LostPassword said:

    boulay said:

    mwadams said:

    williamglenn said:

    Trump should borrow a phrase from British politics: "If it's not hurting, it's not working." Restructuring the economy was never going to be completely painless.

    Indeed.

    1. Dismantle the economy
    2. Dismantle the universities and research culture to delay future recovery
    3. [Do something here, 2BD]
    4. Profit

    That approach is always going to involve a certain amount of pain.

    Funnily enough there's a memo somewhere in Moscow or Beijing that has the same list headed "Plan for USA".
    I doubt it, even the biggest comedian in their intelligence never believed they would get this scenario.
    Putin seems to be genuinely disappointed that Trump wasn't able to pressure Ukraine into ceding territory to Russia. It's actually kinda funny.

    Though not as funny as seeing Ukrainian drones blow up oil storage tanks at an oil terminal near St Petersburg on the opening morning of the International Economic Forum, hosted by Putin. In St Petersburg.

    They're starting to ration fuel in Moscow too.

    If Europe can keep up their support for Ukraine I feel increasingly confident that Russia will be brought to its knees and defeated.
    We need to forcefully support Ukraine whilst clearly ensuring Trump knows we don’t support his Middle East escapades. Eventually we will be on the winning side on both counts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,792
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Is it unfair to think it sounds like he very much wants it to continue? Given the misrepresentation of Badenoch's comments for a start, it's obviously seen as a winning strategy.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,568
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    boulay said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    williamglenn said:

    Former MI6 chief Sir Alex Younger dies aged 62

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy201wge44o

    Younger was at pains to dispel the James Bond and Oxbridge ‘tap-on-the shoulder’ myths about the sort of people who work for MI6
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2026/06/03/sir-alex-younger-mi6-secret-intelligence-service-edward-sno/ (£££)

    Sir Ed [Davey] – whose election campaign stunts are more suited to Benny Hill than James Bond – said he received a tap on the shoulder while studying at Oxford, but refused the offer because he “would have made a very bad spy”.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/03/ed-davey-i-turned-down-mi6/ (£££)

    Erm...
    Tomorrow Never Canvasses.
    Tomorrow Never Dives.
    No Time To Spy.
    Yellow Diamonds are Forever.
    Live and Let Dive.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    kle4 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Is it unfair to think it sounds like he very much wants it to continue? Given the misrepresentation of Badenoch's comments for a start, it's obviously seen as a winning strategy.
    Being on the side of the riotors didn't do Farage any harm when it was the riots after Southport.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Farage is right imo.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,792
    LostPassword said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    edited June 3
    It's really, really hard to describe what is going on between the US and Iran as a "ceasefire".

    Huge damage has been caused across the Gulf by Iranian missiles. Missiles they apparently don't have.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,792
    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    The Tories can fight, or they can submit - Reform have laughed off the idea of the third option, of co-operate.

    That she even dares to fight suggests she at least thinks it is an area where Reform are overstepping where the public are, but we shall see if that is right - the Tories are going to lose another by-election deposit where Reform come second, or win, so it won't be revealed as right in the short term.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,833
    LostPassword said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    The wonders of FPTP
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    kle4 said:

    LostPassword said:

    ThomasNashe said:

    rottenborough said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
    Kemi is getting a hearing.

    Burnham may well too.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,859
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Man who has spent decades splashing petrol round the room says "you must be careful with these matches I'm holding.'
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    We haven’t seen enough of Mr. Dog recently. Does he know he’s the PB officially endorsed dog?
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