It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
The IOPC are carrying out an investigation into what happened. I don’t believe we yet know with any definitiveness why the police acted as they did. Have you seen any interview with the police officers involved?
The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
The IOPC are carrying out an investigation into what happened. I don’t believe we yet know with any definitiveness why the police acted as they did. Have you seen any interview with the police officers involved?
The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
Who needs a proper investigation when there is lynching to be done?
The Knee seems to have (finally) gone away now, but one lasting effect of the 2020 BLM protests has been that almost all TV adverts now feature mixed-race families.
People will say, "So what?" etc. - and I get that - but it might be playing into perceptions of immigration being much higher that it actually is on the one hand and, if it's too at odds with what people actually see around them and feels contrived, it can play into some people feeling there's another agenda at play.
They should probably vary it a bit more.
Can I ask a question right, how many mixed race families is too many? How many is too few?
Not more than 5% of families in this country will be mixed race (as a guess) and you'd expect adverts to generally reflect the population.
I think it is important to be very clear about definitions before coming up with statistics for that, especially as something like acting is based as much on appearance ie skin colour as on race.
So much respect for Henry Nowak's parents. Phenomenal conviction to call for calm after something so awful has happened to your family.
Yep, shades of Lee Rigby’s family who Istr rebuffed attempts by the usual suspects to politicise his death. These people are the best of us while Farage & co are the worst.
I'm not following events in Southampton but it's a bit presumptuous to be blaming it on Farage. There's any number of influencers out there. And what about Stand Up To Racism? I'm not sure their need to interfere in everything is exactly helping.
Farage called for 'public rage'. He's contributed directly to events tonight in Southampton, along with Tommy of course.
Two tier policing nothing to do with it, of course.
The murderer has been convicted and been sent to prison for a very long time, rightly so. I don't see the two-tier here.
You don't get it do you. It's the behaviour of the police that has so incensed people. From what we have seen you could hardly write a better script if wanting to confirm people's suspicions that the police are institutionally anti white and primarily concerned with placating minority groups. And totally fixated on anything 'racism'. It might not all be true but it is what people increasingly believe. They want a police force that keep order in the streets without fear or favour.
You may not like the Torygraph but Tim Stanley says something very telling at the end. That we have an elite who see themselves as colonial administrators who's main job is to keep the peace between different groups of people. More and more people seem to feel this this and resent what they see as a profound shift in how we are policed.
It links into a growing feeling that the authorities are not on the side of 'people like us'.
Britain is fast becoming a two-tier society. This divide is not Disraeli’s two nations, the rich and the poor. It is a division between those who are trying to do the right thing, following society’s official and unspoken rules, and those who see society and the state as an opportunity to be exploited, and who are deliberately gaming or evading the restraints.
The first group are feeling ground down by being regulated and penalised to an unprecedented degree by bureaucrats, who find them easy targets for monitoring or punishing because in principle they consent to being overseen for the greater good.
The second group are increasingly emboldened, enriched and out of control, left to scheming or lawlessness by a state that has become too weak, virtue signalling or misguided to effectively deter the devious, the greedy, the violent and the powerful — whether they are City money launderers, Covid profiteers, white-collar fraudsters, benefit scammers, criminal shop networks or street thugs.
All are tough to police or prevent because they deliberately opt out of social constraints. Overwhelmingly, officialdom prefers to scold and harry the compliant for minor transgressions rather than challenge those who decline to co-operate. This is a creeping corrosion. Every society has its criminals and exploiters but the question is how far social pressures, codes of conduct and deterrence hold them in check. Britain’s ability to do so is eroding.
And who are those who are evading restraints and gaming the system? They seem to include the likes of Tommy Robinson (committed mortgage and passport fraud, evades paying fines by claiming bankruptcy), Nigel Farage (fails to declare a £5 million donation) and Rupert Lowe (spent lots on lawyers to try to stop Parliament investigating him). Let us not make the same mistake as the US and elect swamp dwellers who claim they will drain the swamp.
They include people you dislike and definitely exclude people you like.
True, as long as we remember that the allowed value of "you" is every individual in the country. The moral version of Nimby becoming Banana.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
The IOPC are carrying out an investigation into what happened. I don’t believe we yet know with any definitiveness why the police acted as they did. Have you seen any interview with the police officers involved?
The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
Not in the 2020s we can't. Most of us struggle to wait for anything, me included. It's not the only reason for all this mess, but it's an important one.
Ukranian reconnaissance drone flying over St.Petersberg city centre, demonstrating to the attendees of the SPEIF that the city has precisely no serviceable air defences. LOL.
BREAKING Iran has carried out a drone strike on a passenger terminal at Kuwait International Airport, wounding several people and forcing air traffic to be suspended, say Kuwaiti officials
Ukranian reconnaissance drone flying over St.Petersberg city centre, demonstrating to the attendees of the SPEIF that the city has precisely no serviceable air defences. LOL.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
He has no political instincts.
What specific things should the Prime Minister be doing now that aren't being done?
BREAKING Iran has carried out a drone strike on a passenger terminal at Kuwait International Airport, wounding several people and forcing air traffic to be suspended, say Kuwaiti officials
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
He has no political instincts.
What specific things should the Prime Minister be doing now that aren't being done?
Luckyguy's claim that Starmer "hasn't touched it" is nonsense and I might agree that there aren't any specific actions the PM should be doing now that aren't being done, but politics isn't just about what you do, it's about how you do it and what you say, and so there I have some sympathy for Sandpit's comment. He could better present what is being done, take the case to the British people.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
He has no political instincts.
What specific things should the Prime Minister be doing now that aren't being done?
Going on about his cold, hard fury presumably. It’s odd, Farage is entirely insincere but is ‘good at politics’ while Starmer is sincerely terrible at politics. Fwiw I thought I did detect some real anguish in Starmer’s response to Nowak’s murder, but he was unable to convert it into political advantage. Good thing or bad thing?
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
He has no political instincts.
What specific things should the Prime Minister be doing now that aren't being done?
Going on about his cold, hard fury presumably. It’s odd, Farage is entirely insincere but is ‘good at politics’ while Starmer is sincerely terrible at politics. Fwiw I thought I did detect some real anguish in Starmer’s response to Nowak’s murder, but he was unable to convert it into political advantage. Good thing or bad thing?
Didn’t seem any anguish to me . He was going to ignore it all until it became clear he had to say something
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
The IOPC are carrying out an investigation into what happened. I don’t believe we yet know with any definitiveness why the police acted as they did. Have you seen any interview with the police officers involved?
The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
Not in the 2020s we can't. Most of us struggle to wait for anything, me included. It's not the only reason for all this mess, but it's an important one.
My only current question about the IOPC investigation is when did it start as 95% of it could have been held well before now when things where fresh in people's memory.
So much respect for Henry Nowak's parents. Phenomenal conviction to call for calm after something so awful has happened to your family.
Yep, shades of Lee Rigby’s family who Istr rebuffed attempts by the usual suspects to politicise his death. These people are the best of us while Farage & co are the worst.
Farage has said nothing unreasonable just a slightly more coherent version of what Starmer babbled out
Question Time tomorrow night could be fun. I feel for all of the non-professional politicians being dragged onto it just because they agreed to be the candidate in a contest where they will valiantly lose their deposit.
But the true show is watching the Reform wazzock come apart and what that does to the Reform vs Restore row.
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
The IOPC are carrying out an investigation into what happened. I don’t believe we yet know with any definitiveness why the police acted as they did. Have you seen any interview with the police officers involved?
The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
Not in the 2020s we can't. Most of us struggle to wait for anything, me included. It's not the only reason for all this mess, but it's an important one.
My only current question about the IOPC investigation is when did it start as 95% of it could have been held well before now when things where fresh in people's memory.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
The law was applied equally (or at least it was not not applied equally).
What happened was the police on the site made a number of assumptions that proved to be incorrect. That’s poor policing and should be reviewed / addressed but it’s not some fundamental injustice
🔥 This is what St. Petersburg looks like just two hours before the opening of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) and Vladimir Putin's keynote speech.
Notably, a representative of the Trump administration is reportedly attending the forum as Russia continues its invasion of Ukraine and Trump continues to “WHITEWASH WAR CRIMES ”
It is at least interesting that Yaxley-Lennon and Farage and others are now treating a British-Pole as "white". Obviously they are entirely cynical, are playing the US white nationalist "racism against white people" meme and are weaponising this for their own political gain - which is not a surprise in any way, as that is how they do politics.
I'd say they are both trying to create a summer of rioting, just as per last time. Farage is in a Trump-like mess for things he does not want anyone to notice, and needs distractions.
I'd be quite interested to know what Rupert Lowe's expulsion policy says about members of the murder victims family.
I wonder who Farage meant by ‘Indians’? The white nationalist table of acceptable brown people is fluid. Sorry Sikhs, you’ve tumbled down the Farage Blackshorts national league (southern division).
The precise background of the participants in the awful events wasn't salient in the police's actions, so whilst it must be fun (if you like that sort of thing) to pick holes in Farage's previous statements about ethnicity, it's completely irrelevant to his main point, which is that the victim died in handcuffs (tragically he was probably done for anyway) because he was white. I don't see that this is deniable in any way. Furthermore, it has been growingly apparent for some time that this inherent bias is deliberate policy - it is in the training manuals.
The IOPC are carrying out an investigation into what happened. I don’t believe we yet know with any definitiveness why the police acted as they did. Have you seen any interview with the police officers involved?
The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
Not in the 2020s we can't. Most of us struggle to wait for anything, me included. It's not the only reason for all this mess, but it's an important one.
My only current question about the IOPC investigation is when did it start as 95% of it could have been held well before now when things where fresh in people's memory.
You can read that in many ways one of which is we’ve done not much more than basic admin until the courts pointed out how badly the police screwed up by finding the defendant guilty of murder
Equally if there is more body cam evidence chances are what’s not been shown is far worse than what we’ve been allowed to see
I guess the riots in parts of the U.K. after the deaths of George Floyd or Chris Kaba or Hacksaw Mark Duggan were righteous rage, from the people condemning last night.
I guess the riots in parts of the U.K. after the deaths of George Floyd or Chris Kaba or Hacksaw Mark Duggan were righteous rage, from the people condemning last night.
😀
Riots are riots. Are you justifying a mob terrorising people because of a previous mob?
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
The law was applied equally (or at least it was not not applied equally).
What happened was the police on the site made a number of assumptions that proved to be incorrect. That’s poor policing and should be reviewed / addressed but it’s not some fundamental injustice
There is a rumour or claim that despite Novak being handcuffed whist dying and unable to do anything, Digwa was never handcuffed even when arrested and taken to the police station. It’s snippets like that that are enraging people. That is clearly not the law being applied equally.
I have huge sympathy for the police in general and those on the night but it pretty clear that they got it very, very wrong. The reasons for this will almost certainly include the lies in the 999 call (from the brother?) but it won’t just be that.
I guess the riots in parts of the U.K. after the deaths of George Floyd or Chris Kaba or Hacksaw Mark Duggan were righteous rage, from the people condemning last night.
😀
Riots are riots. Are you justifying a mob terrorising people because of a previous mob?
Ukranian reconnaissance drone flying over St.Petersberg city centre, demonstrating to the attendees of the SPEIF that the city has precisely no serviceable air defences. LOL.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
He has no political instincts.
What specific things should the Prime Minister be doing now that aren't being done?
Going on about his cold, hard fury presumably. It’s odd, Farage is entirely insincere but is ‘good at politics’ while Starmer is sincerely terrible at politics. Fwiw I thought I did detect some real anguish in Starmer’s response to Nowak’s murder, but he was unable to convert it into political advantage. Good thing or bad thing?
Didn’t seem any anguish to me . He was going to ignore it all until it became clear he had to say something
Thats utter bull crap
Farage will run to a waiting GB News camera at any opportunity to incite racial tension
Starmer is Prime Minister with one tough job not 10 jobs that pay millions for precisely fuck all.
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
He has no political instincts.
What specific things should the Prime Minister be doing now that aren't being done?
Going on about his cold, hard fury presumably. It’s odd, Farage is entirely insincere but is ‘good at politics’ while Starmer is sincerely terrible at politics. Fwiw I thought I did detect some real anguish in Starmer’s response to Nowak’s murder, but he was unable to convert it into political advantage. Good thing or bad thing?
He doesn’t need to be always looking for political advantage, and that’s half of the problem.
Incidents like the Nowak case fit outside his world view of oppressed and oppressor, and he simply doesn’t know how to react to them.
Ukranian reconnaissance drone flying over St.Petersberg city centre, demonstrating to the attendees of the SPEIF that the city has precisely no serviceable air defences. LOL.
During last night’s Newsnight we covered the murder of Henry Nowak and the political reaction to the case, including discussing Nigel Farage’s comments about “pure, cold rage”.
However I referred to “white cold rage”. This was a mistake on my part, a misremembering of the quote. It didn’t change the content of the interview but I should have got the quote right. I apologise to Nigel Farage for this.
During last night’s Newsnight we covered the murder of Henry Nowak and the political reaction to the case, including discussing Nigel Farage’s comments about “pure, cold rage”.
However I referred to “white cold rage”. This was a mistake on my part, a misremembering of the quote. It didn’t change the content of the interview but I should have got the quote right. I apologise to Nigel Farage for this.
What is your point William?
The guy is apologising for a misquote which indicated an unfortunate racial element. He is not apologising for Farage's call to arms, " pure, cold rage".
A few miscellaneous observations on the Novak case.
1. A small point, but what part of 'I choose not to watch a man dying' do media outlets fail to understand? It's really quite angered me that several mainstream channels covering this story think it's OK to use extended footage of this with zero warning. I can understand the arguments and be furious about the injustice without seeing the video, thanks anyway.
2. Everything that Farage says in his video is, in my opinion, true. It's a good debate for Reform, because it's not about a vision of ethnic purity, it's about equal application of the law. It is also highly incendiary. However, Farage is filling a vacuum left, once again, by Starmer, who should have been absolutely all over this, but hasn't touched it.
3. Reform's social media attacks on Kemi have been below the belt, but their misrepresentation of her statements are very similar to her own misrepresentation of Nigel's speech, where he also said that black lives matter.
Starmer has talked repeatedly about the case and welcomed the IOPC investigation. Your claim that he “hasn’t touched it” seems unrelated to reality.
That is a ludicrous assertion. He was silent on the case, including at PMQs (where he chose to mention George Floyd being killed in the USA) until he faced significant criticism from Reform and the Tories. His public statements on the matter have all come in response to questions or other interventions, and have been totally passive rather than given any assurance that action will be taken to prevent any future recurrence.
That's Starmer. He reacts. He doesn't lead.
And if his reaction doesn't land right, then he reacts again - differently.
Same as after the Southport attack. He looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights, literally has no clue how to respond to events such as these.
i'm not fan of Starmer but this is simple misrepresentation. He obviously wasn't commenting on the case until the court had concluded. Since then every news item I've heard about this has started 'PMs reaction'. You're obviously v invested in this particular case and following it closely but you're letting your biases override your judgement.
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The police appear to have assumed Digwa was the victim and Nowak the criminal, but we don’t know that that was because one was white and one was brown. The same events might have played out had they been of different ethnicities.
It is ironic that people are rushing to an assumption about what happened in a case where the police got it wrong by rushing to an assumption about what happened. What happened definitely needs investigating, and that is happening. We could wait to hear what is found.
What is mixed race?
https://bsky.app/profile/vcdgf555.bsky.social/post/3mne7zbtqq22a
BREAKING Iran has carried out a drone strike on a passenger terminal at Kuwait International Airport, wounding several people and forcing air traffic to be suspended, say Kuwaiti officials
Absolutely brilliant demonstration of force from the Ukranians. 🇺🇦
It’s odd, Farage is entirely insincere but is ‘good at politics’ while Starmer is sincerely terrible at politics. Fwiw I thought I did detect some real anguish in Starmer’s response to Nowak’s murder, but he was unable to convert it into political advantage. Good thing or bad thing?
But the true show is watching the Reform wazzock come apart and what that does to the Reform vs Restore row.
What happened was the police on the site made a number of assumptions that proved to be incorrect. That’s poor policing and should be reviewed / addressed but it’s not some fundamental injustice
🔥 This is what St. Petersburg looks like just two hours before the opening of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF) and Vladimir Putin's keynote speech.
https://bsky.app/profile/shaunpinner.bsky.social/post/3mnei6rjgok22
Notably, a representative of the Trump administration is reportedly attending the forum as Russia continues its invasion of Ukraine and Trump continues to “WHITEWASH WAR CRIMES ”
The optics could hardly be more striking.
Equally if there is more body cam evidence chances are what’s not been shown is far worse than what we’ve been allowed to see
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NEW THREAD
I have huge sympathy for the police in general and those on the night but it pretty clear that they got it very, very wrong. The reasons for this will almost certainly include the lies in the 999 call (from the brother?) but it won’t just be that.
Farage will run to a waiting GB News camera at any opportunity to incite racial tension
Starmer is Prime Minister with one tough job not 10 jobs that pay millions for precisely fuck all.
Incidents like the Nowak case fit outside his world view of oppressed and oppressor, and he simply doesn’t know how to react to them.
Will anyone bring up this other case at PMQs I wonder? Three asylum seekers guilty of gang rape, which they filmed, of a random woman on Brighton beach.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brighton-beach-asylum-seekers-court-b2963595.html
I owe Nigel Farage an apology.
During last night’s Newsnight we covered the murder of Henry Nowak and the political reaction to the case, including discussing Nigel Farage’s comments about “pure, cold rage”.
However I referred to “white cold rage”. This was a mistake on my part, a misremembering of the quote. It didn’t change the content of the interview but I should have got the quote right. I apologise to Nigel Farage for this.
The guy is apologising for a misquote which indicated an unfortunate racial element. He is not apologising for Farage's call to arms, " pure, cold rage".