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The trend should worry Nigel Farage – politicalbetting.com

How do people describe main party leaders in their own words. The world clouds below give you a flavour of what the public say. For Starmer biggest word is weak, For Farage racist, For Badenoch OKFor Davey don’t know How negative they are neatly captures an anti politics mood

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    again
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    Badenoch moving from 'weak' to 'OK' is very positive for her.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,863

    Badenoch moving from 'weak' to 'OK' is very positive for her.

    Either that, or a significant part of the electroate has forgotten she exists.
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 998

    Badenoch moving from 'weak' to 'OK' is very positive for her.

    I think if I was either Starmer or Badenoch I would look at these, and the changes in them, and be fairly happy.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    As long as Farage has the support of 25-30%, and another 10pp prepared to vote tactically his way to stop the Left, I don't think it bothers him what the other ~60% of the country thinks of him.

    The more vitriol that comes his way the better, might be his thinking, as it will deepen the divide between right and left and they left is, as ever, more divided than the right.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,676
    Well, yes, for the many fans of Badenoch it's a small step forward.

    The truth remains the translation of this sentiment into positive votes for the Conservatives in polls and elections continues to be patchy. Yes, some good London results against Labour in the North and West and against Reform in the south east but significant reverses to the LDs in south west London and crushed by Reform in Havering.

    The Conservatives, like the Liberal Democrats,have been forced back into areas of strength surrounded by large areas of weakness or irrelevance. In London, despite the small net gain of councillors, there are 13 Boroughs where there are 3 or fewer Conservatives (10 have no Tories at all). The figure for the LDs is 21 by the way.

    Both parties can survive in their heartlands and it's quite likely they will form a substantial bloc between them at the next GE.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    Where's Restore?
    Do they have a font big enough?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Dopermean said:

    Where's Restore?
    Do they have a font big enough?

    Their word cloud breaches PB guidelines
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,892
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Where's Restore?
    Do they have a font big enough?

    Their word cloud breaches PB guidelines
    More a word fart.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,190
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Where's Restore?
    Do they have a font big enough?

    Their word cloud breaches PB guidelines
    It resembles a piece of pineapple on a pizza?
  • eekeek Posts: 33,916
    I don't think the Racist word will worry Nigel as much as the rapidly increasing word Corrupt...

    If that takes hold he's doomed and I suspect Lowe and X are going to continually repeat it...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,383

    As long as Farage has the support of 25-30%, and another 10pp prepared to vote tactically his way to stop the Left, I don't think it bothers him what the other ~60% of the country thinks of him.

    The more vitriol that comes his way the better, might be his thinking, as it will deepen the divide between right and left and they left is, as ever, more divided than the right.

    Hmm. Vitriol in the view of voters being "RACIST" encapsulated in giant font will have its limitations.

    It's rather difficult to justify for more than what? 5-8% of the population prepared to go along with that brand?

    Shiny and new --> 30's throwback. Not a way to power.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342
    Ed Davey's ‘don't know’ closely followed by ‘unsure’ is pretty damning for a LibDem leader with 70 MPs behind him, a guaranteed slot at PMQs, and the other NOTA parties increasingly seen as extremist.

    What are the LibDems for? How can Davey break out and make his party nationally relevant again?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627

    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    Where's Restore?
    Do they have a font big enough?

    Their word cloud breaches PB guidelines
    It resembles a piece of pineapple on a pizza?
    After it's passed through the digestive tract.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Setting up the auto pump and dump.

    They changed the rules for Elon again...

    They waved the profitability rule & are adding SpaceX to indices only 5 days after IPO... normally it's 90

    This forces 401k retirement & passive funds to buy SpaceX at elevated IPO pricing, holding the bags the entire way down

    https://x.com/FinanceLancelot/status/2060139159260410057
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    eek said:

    I don't think the Racist word will worry Nigel as much as the rapidly increasing word Corrupt...

    If that takes hold he's doomed and I suspect Lowe and X are going to continually repeat it...

    If he can’t neuter the story he’s screwed
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627

    Ed Davey's ‘don't know’ closely followed by ‘unsure’ is pretty damning for a LibDem leader with 70 MPs behind him, a guaranteed slot at PMQs, and the other NOTA parties increasingly seen as extremist.

    What are the LibDems for? How can Davey break out and make his party nationally relevant again?

    I'm .. unsure.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421
    Nigelb said:

    Ed Davey's ‘don't know’ closely followed by ‘unsure’ is pretty damning for a LibDem leader with 70 MPs behind him, a guaranteed slot at PMQs, and the other NOTA parties increasingly seen as extremist.

    What are the LibDems for? How can Davey break out and make his party nationally relevant again?

    I'm .. unsure.
    When even the Guardian doesn't give them much space, then yes they've got problems. At least with Ashdown, Kennedy and even Campbell they had leaders who gave the press something to watch.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,676

    Ed Davey's ‘don't know’ closely followed by ‘unsure’ is pretty damning for a LibDem leader with 70 MPs behind him, a guaranteed slot at PMQs, and the other NOTA parties increasingly seen as extremist.

    What are the LibDems for? How can Davey break out and make his party nationally relevant again?

    Three years out from a GE, it doesn't matter that much.

    The party did reasonably in the May local elections and indeed well in their heartlands though, as with the Conservatives, in the weaker areas they were picked off by Reform and the Greens.

    A lot of water has to pass under a lot of bridges before the next election and we'll see how Davey positions the party at that time - Badenoch has similar issues.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,676
    Nigelb said:

    Ed Davey's ‘don't know’ closely followed by ‘unsure’ is pretty damning for a LibDem leader with 70 MPs behind him, a guaranteed slot at PMQs, and the other NOTA parties increasingly seen as extremist.

    What are the LibDems for? How can Davey break out and make his party nationally relevant again?

    I'm .. unsure.
    At this stage it doesn't matter too much. I suspect Davey's Conference speech will start to outline some of the key LD areas for the next election and I suspect social care and indeed care in general is going to be at the forefront.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Really depends what you don't want to be. Farage would be the most insulting if it was to be read at an awards dinner followed by the other two largish USELESSes. I would ignore the angry ones so I suppose the best are Zack and Ed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,763
    Phil said:

    eek said:

    Trump’s Truth Social forces new users to follow Tommy Robinson

    New accounts on US president’s social media platform are automatically signed up to updates from series of far-Right figures


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/29/trump-puts-tommy-robinson-top-truth-social-accounts/

    At least we have the hierarchy now

    Truth Social - Tommy 14 names
    X / Twitter - Lowe / Restore
    Daily Mail - Reform

    It says something when the social media platforms are more extreme than the Daily Mail..
    Anecdotally X / Twitter seems to have got progressively more fascist over the last six months or so. Although it’s always difficult to tell the universal from the personal on social media since the algorithm is very good at pushing whatever it takes to keep you engaged - perhaps this is more a sign that I need to log off?

    On a more general note - the radicalising nature of modern social media in all directions is something that does perhaps justify regulation. Just transparency about the algorithms & their operation might be sufficient though - whatever we do needs to be the minimum intervention necessary to avoid interfering with people’s right to free speech & free association. Sadly I suspect the government will choose poorly, as the current OSA demonstrated so clearly.

    Thoughts?
    Ban algorithmic feeds. If people want feeds they can subscribe to their preferred authors. Nobody's free speech is violated, you can still choose anything and everything you want to see or hear, but you have to choose it instead of letting the algorithm do their thinking for you.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,194
    stodge said:

    Well, yes, for the many fans of Badenoch it's a small step forward.

    The truth remains the translation of this sentiment into positive votes for the Conservatives in polls and elections continues to be patchy. Yes, some good London results against Labour in the North and West and against Reform in the south east but significant reverses to the LDs in south west London and crushed by Reform in Havering.

    The Conservatives, like the Liberal Democrats,have been forced back into areas of strength surrounded by large areas of weakness or irrelevance. In London, despite the small net gain of councillors, there are 13 Boroughs where there are 3 or fewer Conservatives (10 have no Tories at all). The figure for the LDs is 21 by the way.

    Both parties can survive in their heartlands and it's quite likely they will form a substantial bloc between them at the next GE.

    Some of the Councils the Tories won in London they had a net loss of Seats.

    Go figure and stay deluded.

    It's like the soccer boss 5 nil down at half time, the opposition put their bench on, the final score is 5 - 2 and you claim we won the second half.

    The Tory Party is irrelevant
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,194

    Badenoch moving from 'weak' to 'OK' is very positive for her.

    Either that, or a significant part of the electroate has forgotten she exists.
    A collective

    "Who"

    "Who are ya"

    Of 100 people shown her picture

    How many would know her

    10 tops
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523
    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    The modern day equivalent of simony. Would that Trump could end up head down in a hole wih his feet on fire a la Dante Alighieri
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,449
    stodge said:

    Ed Davey's ‘don't know’ closely followed by ‘unsure’ is pretty damning for a LibDem leader with 70 MPs behind him, a guaranteed slot at PMQs, and the other NOTA parties increasingly seen as extremist.

    What are the LibDems for? How can Davey break out and make his party nationally relevant again?

    Three years out from a GE, it doesn't matter that much.

    The party did reasonably in the May local elections and indeed well in their heartlands though, as with the Conservatives, in the weaker areas they were picked off by Reform and the Greens.

    A lot of water has to pass under a lot of bridges before the next election and we'll see how Davey positions the party at that time - Badenoch has similar issues.
    "A lot of water has to pass under a lot of bridges..."

    '''and Ed Davey has to fall in it.

    He ought to bow out gracefully and give Daisy time to build a profile and public recognition ahead of the GE.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,194
    Sadly a Fascist like Nigel would see "Racist" as a Badge of Honour"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,428
    Farage at least now had racist sewn up.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    That word cloud sums him up beautifully.

    Massive Racist.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,085
    Brixian59 said:

    Sadly a Fascist like Nigel would see "Racist" as a Badge of Honour"

    Given the number of racists, either outright or closet, in the UK, being racist will help Farage’s popularity with many voters. We often forget how unrepresentative of the wider electorate that PB contributors are.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,137
    edited May 29
    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    https://x.com/yougov/status/2060385078400692570

    While Tony Blair's critical essay of Keir Starmer's government has dominated headlines all week, just 19% of Britons believe Blair would make a better PM than Starmer today

    Blair would be a better PM: 19%
    Starmer would be a better PM: 17%
    Neither would be good PMs: 44%
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,626

    Brixian59 said:

    Sadly a Fascist like Nigel would see "Racist" as a Badge of Honour"

    Given the number of racists, either outright or closet, in the UK, being racist will help Farage’s popularity with many voters. We often forget how unrepresentative of the wider electorate that PB contributors are.
    Well, sort of. Call me old-fashioned, but I find it deeply worrying that a party whose leader is widely regarded as a racist is leading in the polls and has a chance of forming the next government. I don't think that would have been possible 10 or more years ago. And the reason is, of course, that Farage and others have helped to drag the racists out of the closet and into the open, and also reduced the social unacceptability of being a racist.

    It's undoubtedly true that our liberal society deemed racism socially unacceptable from around the 1970s until fairly recently, and racists, of whom there have always been many, largely kept their views to themselves. Though that may have given a false impression of the level of racism in our society, personally I find that preferable to a move towards explicit racism being worn as a badge of honour. And as if that's not enough, Lowe and his bunch are trying to persuade us that Farage's racism isn't sufficiently explicit.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    This is god tier trolling.

    This morning we are introducing COGE — the Commission on Government Efficiency.

This Commission will find ways for our city to work smarter, faster, and more effectively for working people. 

New Yorkers deserve a city government as careful with their money as they are.
    https://x.com/NYCMayor/status/2059995253550002361
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    Brixian59 said:

    Sadly a Fascist like Nigel would see "Racist" as a Badge of Honour"

    Given the number of racists, either outright or closet, in the UK, being racist will help Farage’s popularity with many voters. We often forget how unrepresentative of the wider electorate that PB contributors are.
    Well, sort of. Call me old-fashioned, but I find it deeply worrying that a party whose leader is widely regarded as a racist is leading in the polls and has a chance of forming the next government. I don't think that would have been possible 10 or more years ago. And the reason is, of course, that Farage and others have helped to drag the racists out of the closet and into the open, and also reduced the social unacceptability of being a racist.

    It's undoubtedly true that our liberal society deemed racism socially unacceptable from around the 1970s until fairly recently, and racists, of whom there have always been many, largely kept their views to themselves. Though that may have given a false impression of the level of racism in our society, personally I find that preferable to a move towards explicit racism being worn as a badge of honour. And as if that's not enough, Lowe and his bunch are trying to persuade us that Farage's racism isn't sufficiently explicit.
    I don't think it's quite that bad (but in some ways it's worse). I think the main change is that the accusation of being racist is taken much less seriously, and social media allows more easily for the existence of parallel realities.

    So, in BlueSky reality, Farage is obviously a massive racist, Trump arse-licker and corrupt grifter. Meanwhile in Reform reality, Farage is the victim of a lefty smear campaign, British patriot and a self-made man.

    The people living in Reform reality do not think of themselves as racist and do not take seriously the accusations of racism levelled at Farage by people outside of their bubble.

    This is, potentially, why Restore could be a threat to Farage. Restore supporters are people who talk like Reform supporters, in the same social media bubbles, with similar priorities and prejudices. Reform supporters are much more likely to listen to Restore supporters than they are to the larger number of Britons who think Farage is a racist.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    The Founding Fathers were cynical about human nature, filled as they were with the sense of human fallibility and tragedy from their reading of the Classics, but it seems they did at least expect the occasional flash of decency and sense of honour from elected types and supreme justices.






  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    Teenage sensation Vaibhav Sooryavanshi once again excelled in the Indian Premier League with a brilliant 96 off 47 balls in the second qualifier on Friday. On Wednesday, the 15-year-old smashed 97 from just 29 balls against Sunrisers Hyderabad to get Rajasthan Royals to this stage.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c98rvpll333o

    I mean what was he playing at, taking as many as 47 balls, piss poor effort.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Brixian59 said:

    Sadly a Fascist like Nigel would see "Racist" as a Badge of Honour"

    Given the number of racists, either outright or closet, in the UK, being racist will help Farage’s popularity with many voters. We often forget how unrepresentative of the wider electorate that PB contributors are.
    Well, sort of. Call me old-fashioned, but I find it deeply worrying that a party whose leader is widely regarded as a racist is leading in the polls and has a chance of forming the next government. I don't think that would have been possible 10 or more years ago. And the reason is, of course, that Farage and others have helped to drag the racists out of the closet and into the open, and also reduced the social unacceptability of being a racist.

    It's undoubtedly true that our liberal society deemed racism socially unacceptable from around the 1970s until fairly recently, and racists, of whom there have always been many, largely kept their views to themselves. Though that may have given a false impression of the level of racism in our society, personally I find that preferable to a move towards explicit racism being worn as a badge of honour. And as if that's not enough, Lowe and his bunch are trying to persuade us that Farage's racism isn't sufficiently explicit.
    I don't think it's quite that bad (but in some ways it's worse). I think the main change is that the accusation of being racist is taken much less seriously, and social media allows more easily for the existence of parallel realities.

    So, in BlueSky reality, Farage is obviously a massive racist, Trump arse-licker and corrupt grifter. Meanwhile in Reform reality, Farage is the victim of a lefty smear campaign, British patriot and a self-made man.

    The people living in Reform reality do not think of themselves as racist and do not take seriously the accusations of racism levelled at Farage by people outside of their bubble.

    This is, potentially, why Restore could be a threat to Farage. Restore supporters are people who talk like Reform supporters, in the same social media bubbles, with similar priorities and prejudices. Reform supporters are much more likely to listen to Restore supporters than they are to the larger number of Britons who think Farage is a racist.
    We had (have?) the same problem with Corbyn and Corbynites, of course.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,916

    Teenage sensation Vaibhav Sooryavanshi once again excelled in the Indian Premier League with a brilliant 96 off 47 balls in the second qualifier on Friday. On Wednesday, the 15-year-old smashed 97 from just 29 balls against Sunrisers Hyderabad to get Rajasthan Royals to this stage.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c98rvpll333o

    I mean what was he playing at, taking as many as 47 balls, piss poor effort.

    1st couple of overs the Sunrisers kept the scoring low. Then it all went to pot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    edited May 29

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2060385078400692570

    While Tony Blair's critical essay of Keir Starmer's government has dominated headlines all week, just 19% of Britons believe Blair would make a better PM than Starmer today

    Blair would be a better PM: 19%
    Starmer would be a better PM: 17%
    Neither would be good PMs: 44%

    I am actually really surprised by that given how unpopular Starmer is (and he is really crap at the job). Iraq War still looms large I guess, and lots of Labour people seem to really dislike Tony more than Tories do.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    Surely 'hypnotist' came up for Polanski?

  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,878
    edited May 29

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most monarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2060385078400692570

    While Tony Blair's critical essay of Keir Starmer's government has dominated headlines all week, just 19% of Britons believe Blair would make a better PM than Starmer today

    Blair would be a better PM: 19%
    Starmer would be a better PM: 17%
    Neither would be good PMs: 44%

    I am actually really surprised by that given how unpopular Starmer is (and he is really crap at the job). Iraq War still looms large I guess, and lots of Labour people seem to really dislike Tony more than Tories do.
    It's interesting that Green voters are about as anti-Labour as Tory voters, whereas Lib Dem voters are indistinguishable from Labour voters.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,490

    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231

    TL;DR:

    Iran claims (and it is worth remembering that Iran's relationship with the truth is no better than Trump's) that the agreement it has reached with the US:

    1. Leaves Iran in control of the Straits of Hormuz
    2. Does not require them to hand over or dismantle nuclear materials
    3. Involves the US handing over $12bn to Iran on day one
    4. Requires an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,342

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2060385078400692570

    While Tony Blair's critical essay of Keir Starmer's government has dominated headlines all week, just 19% of Britons believe Blair would make a better PM than Starmer today

    Blair would be a better PM: 19%
    Starmer would be a better PM: 17%
    Neither would be good PMs: 44%

    I am actually really surprised by that given how unpopular Starmer is (and he is really crap at the job). Iraq War still looms large I guess, and lots of Labour people seem to really dislike Tony more than Tories do.
    Not to mention Blair is moving into history. We have (just about) some voters not born when Blair was in Downing Street, and more too young to remember him.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,783

    Surely 'hypnotist' came up for Polanski?

    'tit' works both ways.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    A Blue-on-Blue fight over energy policy between Claire Coutinho and Gavin Barwell:

    https://x.com/ClaireCoutinho/status/2060378439664673061

    You talk about the centre ground, which is something you seem to think other people create - rather than accurately diagnosing the country's problems and pushing for the right solutions.

    Maybe that’s why you pushed Net Zero legislation with no plan and with no forecast on the cost of energy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,490
    viewcode said:

    Phil said:

    eek said:

    Trump’s Truth Social forces new users to follow Tommy Robinson

    New accounts on US president’s social media platform are automatically signed up to updates from series of far-Right figures


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/29/trump-puts-tommy-robinson-top-truth-social-accounts/

    At least we have the hierarchy now

    Truth Social - Tommy 14 names
    X / Twitter - Lowe / Restore
    Daily Mail - Reform

    It says something when the social media platforms are more extreme than the Daily Mail..
    Anecdotally X / Twitter seems to have got progressively more fascist over the last six months or so. Although it’s always difficult to tell the universal from the personal on social media since the algorithm is very good at pushing whatever it takes to keep you engaged - perhaps this is more a sign that I need to log off?

    On a more general note - the radicalising nature of modern social media in all directions is something that does perhaps justify regulation. Just transparency about the algorithms & their operation might be sufficient though - whatever we do needs to be the minimum intervention necessary to avoid interfering with people’s right to free speech & free association. Sadly I suspect the government will choose poorly, as the current OSA demonstrated so clearly.

    Thoughts?
    Ban algorithmic feeds. If people want feeds they can subscribe to their preferred authors. Nobody's free speech is violated, you can still choose anything and everything you want to see or hear, but you have to choose it instead of letting the algorithm do their thinking for you.
    This article from Nate Silver on social media is well worth reading in its entirety:

    https://www.natesilver.net/p/social-media-has-become-a-freak-show

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Surely 'hypnotist' came up for Polanski?

    'tit' works both ways.
    Is he keeping abreast of developments?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,676
    Brixian59 said:

    stodge said:

    Well, yes, for the many fans of Badenoch it's a small step forward.

    The truth remains the translation of this sentiment into positive votes for the Conservatives in polls and elections continues to be patchy. Yes, some good London results against Labour in the North and West and against Reform in the south east but significant reverses to the LDs in south west London and crushed by Reform in Havering.

    The Conservatives, like the Liberal Democrats,have been forced back into areas of strength surrounded by large areas of weakness or irrelevance. In London, despite the small net gain of councillors, there are 13 Boroughs where there are 3 or fewer Conservatives (10 have no Tories at all). The figure for the LDs is 21 by the way.

    Both parties can survive in their heartlands and it's quite likely they will form a substantial bloc between them at the next GE.

    Some of the Councils the Tories won in London they had a net loss of Seats.

    Go figure and stay deluded.

    It's like the soccer boss 5 nil down at half time, the opposition put their bench on, the final score is 5 - 2 and you claim we won the second half.

    The Tory Party is irrelevant
    No and on some of the councils they gained seats - Wandsworth, Barnet, Enfield - but yes they took big losses in Sutton and Havering.

    The Conservative Party, as I've said, is being driven back into heartlands - islands of strength surrounded by oceans of weakness (like the LDs).

    Indeed, Labour is probably just about the only national party left though even they have weak areas. Reform would be next but again look at Reform in London, 79 seats, 39 of them in Havering - 22 Boroughs with no Reform representation at all. The Greens in London - 297 Councillors but more than half in just three Boroughs - Waltham Forest, Hackney and Lewisham. There are 12 Councils with no Green representation in London, supposedly an area of strength.

    This is what happens with political fragmentation.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most monarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
    Can't see current SCOTUS allowing cancelling of pardons, some of them will probably be holding one signed by Trump by '28.
    Dems might have to start by impeaching most of the SCOTUS.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    rcs1000 said:

    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231

    TL;DR:

    Iran claims (and it is worth remembering that Iran's relationship with the truth is no better than Trump's) that the agreement it has reached with the US:

    1. Leaves Iran in control of the Straits of Hormuz
    2. Does not require them to hand over or dismantle nuclear materials
    3. Involves the US handing over $12bn to Iran on day one
    4. Requires an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon
    Israel will ensure that it fails on 4
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,875
    Too funny not to share:
    There is a bizarre controversy out of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, where a federal judge has been reprimanded for engaging in repeated, loud sexual encounters during office hours in chambers with a police officer. While the judge lied to investigators and disrupted the work of court staff, the Eleventh Circuit decided to give only a “private reprimand” and to withhold the identity of the district court judge. However, legal sleuths have pieced together clues and identified one judge in Atlanta as the likely culprit.
    source: https://jonathanturley.org/2026/05/28/judicial-whodunit-the-eleventh-circuit-issues-private-reprimand-for-judge-who-held-loud-sexual-trysts-in-chambers/

    The 11th Circuit covers Alabama, Georgia and Florida. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Eleventh_Circuit

    (The name of the judge is in the rest of the post; I am omitting it so as not to cause any possible problems for this site.

    In the past I have found Jonathan Turley to be reliable.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2060385078400692570

    While Tony Blair's critical essay of Keir Starmer's government has dominated headlines all week, just 19% of Britons believe Blair would make a better PM than Starmer today

    Blair would be a better PM: 19%
    Starmer would be a better PM: 17%
    Neither would be good PMs: 44%

    I am actually really surprised by that given how unpopular Starmer is (and he is really crap at the job). Iraq War still looms large I guess, and lots of Labour people seem to really dislike Tony more than Tories do.
    Not to mention Blair is moving into history. We have (just about) some voters not born when Blair was in Downing Street, and more too young to remember him.
    I voted in my first general election in 2001. I was 20. In 2029 an equivalent voter will have been born in 2009, and their earliest political memories are likely to be of Johnson and the Covid pandemic, at best.

    Blair will be to them what Wilson is to me - distant history.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,135
    eek said:

    Teenage sensation Vaibhav Sooryavanshi once again excelled in the Indian Premier League with a brilliant 96 off 47 balls in the second qualifier on Friday. On Wednesday, the 15-year-old smashed 97 from just 29 balls against Sunrisers Hyderabad to get Rajasthan Royals to this stage.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c98rvpll333o

    I mean what was he playing at, taking as many as 47 balls, piss poor effort.

    1st couple of overs the Sunrisers kept the scoring low. Then it all went to pot.
    Titans still on course to walk it though, despite Vaibhav.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,137
    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231

    TL;DR:

    Iran claims (and it is worth remembering that Iran's relationship with the truth is no better than Trump's) that the agreement it has reached with the US:

    1. Leaves Iran in control of the Straits of Hormuz
    2. Does not require them to hand over or dismantle nuclear materials
    3. Involves the US handing over $12bn to Iran on day one
    4. Requires an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon
    Israel will ensure that it fails on 4
    Israel will ensure that it fails is all that is needed
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,676
    edited May 29

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    The Burnham bounce is evaporating.

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2060392500674601218

    NEW:

    Andy Burnham would lose a General Election to Reform if held today

    With Burnham as leader:
    Reform: 23%
    Labour: 20%

    With Starmer as leader:
    Reform: 25%
    Labour: 18%

    Via: @BMGResearch / @theipaper
    18-22 May
  • eekeek Posts: 33,916

    The Burnham bounce is evaporating.

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2060392500674601218

    NEW:

    Andy Burnham would lose a General Election to Reform if held today

    With Burnham as leader:
    Reform: 23%
    Labour: 20%

    With Starmer as leader:
    Reform: 25%
    Labour: 18%

    Via: @BMGResearch / @theipaper
    18-22 May

    Those results give Reform a majority with 25% of the vote, that isn't healthy for any country..
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    eek said:

    The Burnham bounce is evaporating.

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2060392500674601218

    NEW:

    Andy Burnham would lose a General Election to Reform if held today

    With Burnham as leader:
    Reform: 23%
    Labour: 20%

    With Starmer as leader:
    Reform: 25%
    Labour: 18%

    Via: @BMGResearch / @theipaper
    18-22 May

    Those results give Reform a majority with 25% of the vote, that isn't healthy for any country..
    It's hypothetical until we get to a real election though. In practice a two-horse race between Labour and Reform in a GE might push them both up to 40%.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,137
    edited May 29
    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,676

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,137
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits
  • Goodness, is there anything about Reform’s candidate that shows promise? He doesn’t even seem to know their policies.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Dopermean said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most mmonarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
    Can't see current SCOTUS allowing cancelling of pardons, some of them will probably be holding one signed by Trump by '28.
    Dems might have to start by impeaching most of the SCOTUS.
    The pardon power is in the Constitution - it's an Article II power - so can't be nullified by Congress.

    The only recourse is impeachment, or a Constitutional amendment.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,137
    edited May 29

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits
    This from an article by Sky

    Plans to increase the minimum wage for 18 to 20-year-olds to the same level as for other adults could be delayed, Sky News understands.

    In its 2024 election manifesto, Labour committed to "remove the discriminatory age bands, so all adults are entitled to the same minimum wage, delivering a pay rise to hundreds of thousands of workers across the UK".

    But Sky News understands the government is considering delaying the pledge - although it is committed to doing it eventually.

    Reports suggest the potential delay is over fears the higher cost of employing young people could put off firms from hiring them
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    edited May 29
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most mmonarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
    Can't see current SCOTUS allowing cancelling of pardons, some of them will probably be holding one signed by Trump by '28.
    Dems might have to start by impeaching most of the SCOTUS.
    The pardon power is in the Constitution - it's an Article II power - so can't be nullified by Congress.

    The only recourse is impeachment, or a Constitutional amendment.
    To quote in detail:

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

    Truthfully what they really need (and have done for around 170 years) is a new constitution, but that's if anything even more difficult to obtain.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most mmonarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
    Can't see current SCOTUS allowing cancelling of pardons, some of them will probably be holding one signed by Trump by '28.
    Dems might have to start by impeaching most of the SCOTUS.
    The pardon power is in the Constitution - it's an Article II power - so can't be nullified by Congress.

    The only recourse is impeachment, or a Constitutional amendment.
    A President selling pardons should be the easiest impeachment imaginable. Perhaps marginally edged out by the impeachment of a President who betrayed the country to a foreign dictatorship, or of a President who tried to use a mob to overturn an election they had lost.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,627
    Former senior CIA official accused of stealing $40m in gold bars from agency
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/29/cia-official-gold-theft-trial

    Impressive tradecraft.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846
    Nigelb said:

    Former senior CIA official accused of stealing $40m in gold bars from agency
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/29/cia-official-gold-theft-trial

    Impressive tradecraft.

    Murrell joined the wrong three-letter organisation.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,525

    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231

    TL;DR:

    Iran claims (and it is worth remembering that Iran's relationship with the truth is no better than Trump's) that the agreement it has reached with the US:

    1. Leaves Iran in control of the Straits of Hormuz
    2. Does not require them to hand over or dismantle nuclear materials
    3. Involves the US handing over $12bn to Iran on day one
    4. Requires an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon
    Israel will ensure that it fails on 4
    Israel will ensure that it fails is all that is needed
    I think that both Trump and the Iranians are declaring victory each week, complete with "agreements" which consist of their definition of complete victory.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878

    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231

    TL;DR:

    Iran claims (and it is worth remembering that Iran's relationship with the truth is no better than Trump's) that the agreement it has reached with the US:

    1. Leaves Iran in control of the Straits of Hormuz
    2. Does not require them to hand over or dismantle nuclear materials
    3. Involves the US handing over $12bn to Iran on day one
    4. Requires an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon
    Israel will ensure that it fails on 4
    Israel will ensure that it fails is all that is needed
    I think that both Trump and the Iranians are declaring victory each week, complete with "agreements" which consist of their definition of complete victory.
    Very good. Nothing could possibly go wrong.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878
    eek said:

    The Burnham bounce is evaporating.

    https://x.com/poll_checker/status/2060392500674601218

    NEW:

    Andy Burnham would lose a General Election to Reform if held today

    With Burnham as leader:
    Reform: 23%
    Labour: 20%

    With Starmer as leader:
    Reform: 25%
    Labour: 18%

    Via: @BMGResearch / @theipaper
    18-22 May

    Those results give Reform a majority with 25% of the vote, that isn't healthy for any country..
    Maybe though the ghastly Nigel is better than shorty-shorts, and shortty-thoughts Burnham.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,233
    Djoko taken to fifth set by Fonseca.

    Banger of a tournament so far.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,950
    Nigelb said:

    Former senior CIA official accused of stealing $40m in gold bars from agency
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/29/cia-official-gold-theft-trial

    Impressive tradecraft.

    Just donate $1m to the Trump Crime Family and all shall be hunky dory. Might even get a discount if paying in GOLD.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878

    Nigelb said:

    Former senior CIA official accused of stealing $40m in gold bars from agency
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/29/cia-official-gold-theft-trial

    Impressive tradecraft.

    Just donate $1m to the Trump Crime Family and all shall be hunky dory. Might even get a discount if paying in GOLD.
    I think you need to be able to donate far more than that. Somebody will give him the moon and he'll not realise.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits
    Working cash in hand jobs, probably.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    edited May 29
    All this talk of Farage is quite depressing. This should ceer everyone up......

    There's a Nazi hiding in a tree..
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,863
    Omnium said:

    Nigelb said:

    Former senior CIA official accused of stealing $40m in gold bars from agency
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/29/cia-official-gold-theft-trial

    Impressive tradecraft.

    Just donate $1m to the Trump Crime Family and all shall be hunky dory. Might even get a discount if paying in GOLD.
    I think you need to be able to donate far more than that. Somebody will give him the moon and he'll not realise.
    Alternatively, it's the path most businesses take.

    You might start by selling to a few customers for high prices- but it's the mass market where the real money is to be made.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,949
    Dopermean said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most monarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
    Can't see current SCOTUS allowing cancelling of pardons, some of them will probably be holding one signed by Trump by '28.
    Dems might have to start by impeaching most of the SCOTUS.
    Thomas, Alito and Kavanaugh should be impeached for corruption, corruption and sexual assault/lying to Congress respectively were there any justice in the US.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,878
    Omnium said:

    Nigelb said:

    Former senior CIA official accused of stealing $40m in gold bars from agency
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/29/cia-official-gold-theft-trial

    Impressive tradecraft.

    Just donate $1m to the Trump Crime Family and all shall be hunky dory. Might even get a discount if paying in GOLD.
    I think you need to be able to donate far more than that. Somebody will give him the moon and he'll not realise.
    I’m sure there is a room at the White House that could do with some stylish gold additions. Like the situation room, they will look much scarier to terrorists with a load of glistening filigree in the background.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,949

    Nigelb said:

    Dopermean said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    This afternoon's grift.

    Trump has pardoned Trevor Milton, a man convicted of stealing $695 million from investors.

    This pardon came after Milton donated nearly $1 million to Trump's PAC.

    https://x.com/GOP__Ls/status/2060172399530717344

    He's selling so many pardons that it's depressing the market price.

    Imagine how bad things would be if the US Constitution didn't codify a robust set of checks and balances.
    If the Dems get control of both Hoises they need to amend the rules on Pardons PDQ so that they can go after the Trump family and associates if they have proof of grift etc. There seriously needs to be a robust limit on why and who and how many can be pardoned by a president - the latter is important as it will ensure future presidents have to think carefully about using up their tokens on people in case they need them later.

    The crazy thing is that the concept of a pardon is so tied up in Monarchies of the old order that most mmonarchies wouldn’t have anything like these powers nor would their governments.
    Can't see current SCOTUS allowing cancelling of pardons, some of them will probably be holding one signed by Trump by '28.
    Dems might have to start by impeaching most of the SCOTUS.
    The pardon power is in the Constitution - it's an Article II power - so can't be nullified by Congress.

    The only recourse is impeachment, or a Constitutional amendment.
    A President selling pardons should be the easiest impeachment imaginable. Perhaps marginally edged out by the impeachment of a President who betrayed the country to a foreign dictatorship, or of a President who tried to use a mob to overturn an election they had lost.
    … and then set up a $1.7 billion fund to pay them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,360
    While the UK argues over whether Burnham's gravy with chips is the answer to our problems, over in Iranian waters:


    The debate is therefore no longer between a bad option and a worse one. It is increasingly a choice between two very bad outcome, one of which at least imposes tangible limits on Iran's nuclear progress.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2060404448766152955
  • eekeek Posts: 33,916

    While the UK argues over whether Burnham's gravy with chips is the answer to our problems, over in Iranian waters:


    The debate is therefore no longer between a bad option and a worse one. It is increasingly a choice between two very bad outcome, one of which at least imposes tangible limits on Iran's nuclear progress.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2060404448766152955

    Israel is about to discover the consequences of FAFO with Trump and Iran...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,956
    This has to be fake news...

    Burnham allies urge him to make Louise Haigh chancellor
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/29/burnham-allies-urge-him-to-make-louise-haigh-chancellor/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,846

    This has to be fake news...

    Burnham allies urge him to make Louise Haigh chancellor
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/29/burnham-allies-urge-him-to-make-louise-haigh-chancellor/

    She's recently dyed her hair a more professional colour, so she may be preparing for the job.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,194

    This has to be fake news...

    Burnham allies urge him to make Louise Haigh chancellor
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/29/burnham-allies-urge-him-to-make-louise-haigh-chancellor/

    Telegraph

    FFS

    MORONIC
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,123
    Dopermean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Long list from Iran of all the areas of the supposed agreement where Trump is publicly making stuff up:



    Iran explains what Trump failed to say in his account of the agreement

    https://x.com/patrickwintour/status/2060394744744665231

    TL;DR:

    Iran claims (and it is worth remembering that Iran's relationship with the truth is no better than Trump's) that the agreement it has reached with the US:

    1. Leaves Iran in control of the Straits of Hormuz
    2. Does not require them to hand over or dismantle nuclear materials
    3. Involves the US handing over $12bn to Iran on day one
    4. Requires an immediate ceasefire in Lebanon
    Israel will ensure that it fails on 4
    Warmongers love war
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,863

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    The first point is 46% of NEETs claim no benefits at all.
    I have read that but it needs explaining

    Are they living with their family and how are they supporting themselves ?

    Or are they in education and training so not a NEET ?

    I do not know the explanation but it does mean 54% are claiming benefits
    Working cash in hand jobs, probably.
    In a way, the alarming thing is that we don't really know.

    One of the other standout points of the Milburn report is that we spend 25 times as much on benefits as on employment support for young people.

    We have a fairly shrewd idea who the NEETs are, and can anticipate who is at risk at age 18/16/14... As with troubled families, intensive work with at-risk young people feels like it would pay big dividends. Trouble is, it isn't consistent with a Smaller State, and the costs are now and the benefits come later.

    Pass me another bad of seedcorn, I'm feeling hungry.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,194

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Farage and Polanski are both extreme politicians feeding on a disenchanted electorate and both are dangerous

    The usual anti Kemi suspects are entirely predictable, but it is evident that she has grown into her role and is getting a hearing

    As far as I know the last three polls have the conservatives in 2nd place and Kemi's task is to overtake Farage and regain the centre right over the next 3 years

    She is the leader of the opposition so does get more coverage and has a positive outlook which according to some is not accepting reality

    Actually the party facing the biggest crisis is Labour stuck with an impotent leader and crossing their fingers that Burnham can ride to the rescue but first has the wee problem of winning in Makerfield

    The days of 2 party politics is over with 5, even 7, fighting to be heard and anyone who knows how GE29 will turn out is wishcasting

    I would just say Kemi has won over @HYUFD and to be fair he is supportive

    A slight correction - of the last three polls in the field, the Conservatives are second in two and third in one and 1-2 points in front of Labour which is well within margin of error which includes the Greens so all we can say is Reform are clearly ahead but Labour,Conservatives and Greens are statistically level and ahead of the Lib Dems.

    Badenoch gets plenty of air time - I'm not sure how "positive" her outlook is - she seems to be maoning about the Government all the time and as for her response, it's all "we've got a plan" which will presumably work until we see the detail.
    Thanks for the correction but they do lead labour in all 3

    As to your last paragraph that is true for all parties and why 3 years out of a GE it is impossible to predict

    Kemi has committed to ending stamp duty, the farm tax, and has opened the topic of student fees

    If she is wise she will concentrate on the young, NEETS, and reduce business tax

    I know from my own family the distress of NEETS

    I would pose a question

    How much does a NEET receive on benefits per week ?

    How much does it cost an employer with the new minimum wage rises to employ a NEET for a week ?

    In the circumstances that there is a substantial difference then reduce the minimum wage to address this and for employers to be able to create the entry level jobs NEETS are so in need off

    Yes, labour and the unions would be outraged but as long as this crisis remains an issue their ideology is responsible and unhelpful
    She can't concentrate on NEETS AS She was complicit on the creation of the Boris wave.

    Sdhe can't deny she wasn't there, she was.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,194
    eek said:

    Teenage sensation Vaibhav Sooryavanshi once again excelled in the Indian Premier League with a brilliant 96 off 47 balls in the second qualifier on Friday. On Wednesday, the 15-year-old smashed 97 from just 29 balls against Sunrisers Hyderabad to get Rajasthan Royals to this stage.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c98rvpll333o

    I mean what was he playing at, taking as many as 47 balls, piss poor effort.

    1st couple of overs the Sunrisers kept the scoring low. Then it all went to pot.
    Be interesting to see when he plays on grass rather than concrete.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    Frankly, the failure of hypnotism or boobs to appear on Polanski's word cloud is a disappointment. The public aren't paying attention.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,791
    Djoko out!
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