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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    So happy for Palace, a fie on the shithousery from the Forest owner.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679

    Well done, Palace. More Premierhip silver ware from Europe.

    At this rate, despite being relegated, West Ham will be in Europe next season!

    Palace: 3 trophies in a year. Amazing.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,221
    RobD said:

    https://x.com/geri_e_l_scott/status/2059728450706116992

    Excl: Sir Keir Starmer is under mounting pressure from his Cabinet to rethink Labour's net-zero agenda.

    The Times has been told that, in an escalating battle over the future of the party, ministers are increasingly questioning the central argument behind Labour's opposition to new North Sea drilling. They warn that the government risks ignoring the wider economic benefits of domestic oil and gas production.

    The Times understands senior Labour figures have privately challenged repeated claims that new oil and gas exploration would "not take a penny off bills".

    Ministers have consistently said that because oil prices are set internationally, lifting Labour's ban on new North Sea oil and gas exploration would make no difference to the amount paid by consumers.

    Some ministers and industry figures believe, however, that increasing domestic oil and gas production could strengthen the pound and lower costs across the economy.

    One source said: "Usually Ed [Miliband] would have the PM's ear on this stuff, but since the betrayal over the leadership, other arguments are now being heard." Miliband was among the cabinet ministers who urged Starmer to set out a timetable for his departure.

    Another said: "There's definitely a sense now that more people are willing to challenge Ed internally than they were a few months ago."

    Here’s a thought, let’s use the oil and gas money from the North Sea to fund electrification, or to put belatedly into a wealth fund.
    Paying off the national debt Shirley? No doubt in saving up a windfall when you're simultaneously paying a ceippling mortgage.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    In Vanilla, the header reads as:

    "One of the fundamental problems Kemi & The Tories face – politicalbetting.com
    TSE"

    Which seems like the ultimate humblebrag.

    I know! And on a day when a former Labour Prime .Minister is hanging his Labour successors out to dry.
    I have yet to read the actual article but I did read a fairly lengthy summary on the BBC of Blair's piece. With the possible exception of joining the EU again I agreed with all of it. In fact I agreed with it a lot more than I have done with any politician from any political party for a very long time. Not sure where this puts Blair on the political spectrum but it is certainly to the right of both Starmer (to the extent he has a fixed position at all on pretty much anything) or Burnham.
    Tim Shipman points out that everyone quietly agrees with nearly all of it. (This has been linked already today I think, and it's worth a look). I think what Shipman has to say is more than interesting:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567
    I'm with @DavidL: I think Blair (and Tim Shipman) are completely missing the extent to which the US has changed.

    Now, it may be that Trump goes in two years and we return to normal (or what counts as normal). But it is also entirely possible that the US's relationship with the world has changed. The old democratic, capitalist first world countries that America counted as their allies, and in turn, bought US arms and influence, have been cut adrift. And the old, rules based, order is disintigrating.

    As a medium sized, open economy, dependent on foreign trader, this is not good news for us.

    But it is a hell of a lot better to acknowledge reality than to stick our fingers in our ears, scrunch our eyes up, and sing 'nah nah nah' at the top of our voices.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    This made me laugh:


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    Labour to Green Party Defection List Latest:


    Nadia Whittome MP
    @NadiaWhittomeMP

    There are plenty of lessons that can be learnt from Tony Blair’s legacy. For example, that privatisation has been disastrous and following the US into illegal wars is wrong.

    But his latest “rare political intervention” - calling on the government to abandon net-zero, further privatise the NHS, deregulate Big Tech, and cosy up to Trump - shows that he hasn’t learnt any of them.

    Whatever you think of Gordon Brown, his contributions after leaving office have been focused on trying to improve people’s lives. Tony Blair simply does the bidding of Silicon Valley billionaires and petrostates.

    https://x.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/2059652848107798645
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    Cyclefree said:

    Re heat I have only one word: shutters.

    They work brilliantly to keep the heat out of a house. They work equally well to keep the heat in. Plus effective in deterring burglars. And they also look nice.

    And they don't push up your electricity bills or make that awful humming nose so many air con units do.

    Underfloor heating... but switched to cooling. Most heat pumps can do this now.
    Isn't that a bit problematic if it's humid, and you end up with condensation on your floor?

    Plus, also, given that heat rises you generally want a cooling source high up and a heating source low down.

    I see the sense in shutters, but there's something incredibly depressing about having to shut the sunlight out to prevent overheating.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,490

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,225

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    https://x.com/Dennynews/status/2059682549928993200

    Statement from Aamer Anwar issued on behalf of Nicola Sturgeon:

    "It would appear some ‘armchair detectives’ think they are better placed than the gold-plated investigation of Police Scotland and now wish to try Ms Sturgeon for crimes she has not committed"

    According to the Daily Record her lawyer has also said this;

    "Had there been any evidence of criminality against Ms Sturgeon, then there can be no doubt that she would have been charged, prosecuted and presently be behind bars."

    Which, if it is true it was said, is, as Shakespeare would say, the lie direct, as the lawyer knows. For a lawyer knows that there are tons of cases where there is 'evidence of criminality' but insufficient to bring the matter to trial where the standard of proof is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.


    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-lawyer-slams-armchair-37213747
    It is telling that, despite all the guff from Sturgeon's lawyers that she was cooperating fully with the investigation, she chose to remain silent rather than answer when questioned by the police. The same tactic used by Mafia hoods to avoid conviction.

    She didn't have just a passive role either. She also ensured that the SNP under her leadership did everything possible to obstruct investigation into the missing funds that it eventually turned out had been embezzled by Murrell, from the point in January 2020 when Wings Over Scotland first started asking awkward questions until the point of her resignation in February 2023, shortly before Murrell was charged by the police.
    Worth pointing out a Scottish difference: a jury in Scotland is not allowed to draw adverse inference from post-arrest silence as they are in England.
    How do they get stopped from doing so? A judge can direct, but if a jury is minded surely they can ignore?
    That's the case for every judge's direction.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,225
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    In Vanilla, the header reads as:

    "One of the fundamental problems Kemi & The Tories face – politicalbetting.com
    TSE"

    Which seems like the ultimate humblebrag.

    I know! And on a day when a former Labour Prime .Minister is hanging his Labour successors out to dry.
    I have yet to read the actual article but I did read a fairly lengthy summary on the BBC of Blair's piece. With the possible exception of joining the EU again I agreed with all of it. In fact I agreed with it a lot more than I have done with any politician from any political party for a very long time. Not sure where this puts Blair on the political spectrum but it is certainly to the right of both Starmer (to the extent he has a fixed position at all on pretty much anything) or Burnham.
    Tim Shipman points out that everyone quietly agrees with nearly all of it. (This has been linked already today I think, and it's worth a look). I think what Shipman has to say is more than interesting:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567
    I'm with @DavidL: I think Blair (and Tim Shipman) are completely missing the extent to which the US has changed.

    Now, it may be that Trump goes in two years and we return to normal (or what counts as normal). But it is also entirely possible that the US's relationship with the world has changed. The old democratic, capitalist first world countries that America counted as their allies, and in turn, bought US arms and influence, have been cut adrift. And the old, rules based, order is disintigrating.

    As a medium sized, open economy, dependent on foreign trader, this is not good news for us.

    But it is a hell of a lot better to acknowledge reality than to stick our fingers in our ears, scrunch our eyes up, and sing 'nah nah nah' at the top of our voices.
    America returning to normal is the central case. I think.

    It's unfashionable to think so, which makes us doubt it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    carnforth said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    See my maths is rudimentary, but I thought greater and equal were different concepts.
    What are they being protected from? Vivaldi on continuous play-back?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,761
    edited May 27
    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,225
    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    Are you talking about the picture of his head accompanying his article? Why do you think it's new?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679
    carnforth said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    Are you talking about the picture of his head accompanying his article? Why do you think it's new?
    No the accompanying vid on X. Unless it's AI enhanced he looks different. Quite glam.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,761
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    Burnham's response to Blair

    https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/andy-burnham-slams-tony-blair-for-ignoring-inequality-in-his-defence-of-radical-centre
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,112
    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    He looks just the same there. What was I looking at? I can't find it now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,835
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    He looks just the same there. What was I looking at? I can't find it now.
    Someone unkindly captioned that byline pic with “Don’t talk to me until I’ve ‘ad me Costa”.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679
    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    My time management technique - just assume TeleMail and ilk 'stories' of this nature are false - is again vindicated.

    But thank you.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679
    carnforth said:

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    In Vanilla, the header reads as:

    "One of the fundamental problems Kemi & The Tories face – politicalbetting.com
    TSE"

    Which seems like the ultimate humblebrag.

    I know! And on a day when a former Labour Prime .Minister is hanging his Labour successors out to dry.
    I have yet to read the actual article but I did read a fairly lengthy summary on the BBC of Blair's piece. With the possible exception of joining the EU again I agreed with all of it. In fact I agreed with it a lot more than I have done with any politician from any political party for a very long time. Not sure where this puts Blair on the political spectrum but it is certainly to the right of both Starmer (to the extent he has a fixed position at all on pretty much anything) or Burnham.
    Tim Shipman points out that everyone quietly agrees with nearly all of it. (This has been linked already today I think, and it's worth a look). I think what Shipman has to say is more than interesting:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567
    I'm with @DavidL: I think Blair (and Tim Shipman) are completely missing the extent to which the US has changed.

    Now, it may be that Trump goes in two years and we return to normal (or what counts as normal). But it is also entirely possible that the US's relationship with the world has changed. The old democratic, capitalist first world countries that America counted as their allies, and in turn, bought US arms and influence, have been cut adrift. And the old, rules based, order is disintigrating.

    As a medium sized, open economy, dependent on foreign trader, this is not good news for us.

    But it is a hell of a lot better to acknowledge reality than to stick our fingers in our ears, scrunch our eyes up, and sing 'nah nah nah' at the top of our voices.
    America returning to normal is the central case. I think.

    It's unfashionable to think so, which makes us doubt it.
    Not too long to find out. First inkling from the midterms perhaps.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    He looks just the same there. What was I looking at? I can't find it now.
    Someone unkindly captioned that byline pic with “Don’t talk to me until I’ve ‘ad me Costa”.
    Well they wouldn't have said that if it displayed his new look.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    He looks just the same there. What was I looking at? I can't find it now.
    Someone unkindly captioned that byline pic with “Don’t talk to me until I’ve ‘ad me Costa”.
    I think @kinabalu is viewing this vid:

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059632154888298798

    Definitely a bit more quiff.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,679

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    He looks just the same there. What was I looking at? I can't find it now.
    Someone unkindly captioned that byline pic with “Don’t talk to me until I’ve ‘ad me Costa”.
    I think @kinabalu is viewing this vid:

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059632154888298798

    Definitely a bit more quiff.
    Ah well done. Yes that's it.

    It's a triumph.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,494
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    @Andy_JS asks upthread if the "left" is responsible for the rise of the "populist right"?

    It's a curious question or series of questions to be honest. Given we had Conservative Government for nearly a decade and a half, it's hard to see what "the left" had to do with any of it.

    Indeed, the only thing for which you could blame Labour is dispensing with its own populist in the form of Jeremy Corbyn for the more "moderate" and electorally successful Keir Starmer. The trouble is the supporters of Corbyn didnt acquiesce as they did in the times of Blair and Brown and have gone on to influence and infiltrate other groups.

    As for "the Right", the long-running sore of EU membership was lanced in 2016 and that should have led to a reunification of Conservatives (as it did under Johnson) but somewhere Jonnsonian Conservatism lost its way - perhaps it was trying to be too much for too many people and the big tent collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions.

    Liberal conservatism limped on under Sunak to a devastating defeat while social conservatism found a new niche in Reform and Restore.

    Thus you had failures on both sides of the fence and schisms in both albeit along different lines so the answer is no, the "right" has to take its share of blame for what has happened.

    Well the left abused the wishy-washy centrism of the Coalition government as if it was a "far right" government.
    They also abused McCain and Romney as if they were fascists.
    So people were unable to distinguish the genuine far right because the left's abuse was constant.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    Is anyone else feeling lost?

    Labour manage to win a rare landslide election victory just two years ago and have now decided to have a massive 'soul searching' internal debate about why the party even exists anymore with walk on parts from politicians who were in their pomp thirty years ago.

  • https://x.com/ojardineo/status/2059735420510826660

    The problem with Restore is that just because people don’t want to vote for them, it doesn’t mean they hate the country.
  • ChatGPT thinks there are two Ls in “Google”. Not taking many jobs.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    Ben Sulayem is proposing a removal of term limits for the position as head of motorsport's governing body. Hilarious.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/clyp7l7zxdyo

    Why is this guy so obsessed with dictatorial control of a motorsport body?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    https://x.com/Dennynews/status/2059682549928993200

    Statement from Aamer Anwar issued on behalf of Nicola Sturgeon:

    "It would appear some ‘armchair detectives’ think they are better placed than the gold-plated investigation of Police Scotland and now wish to try Ms Sturgeon for crimes she has not committed"

    According to the Daily Record her lawyer has also said this;

    "Had there been any evidence of criminality against Ms Sturgeon, then there can be no doubt that she would have been charged, prosecuted and presently be behind bars."

    Which, if it is true it was said, is, as Shakespeare would say, the lie direct, as the lawyer knows. For a lawyer knows that there are tons of cases where there is 'evidence of criminality' but insufficient to bring the matter to trial where the standard of proof is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.


    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-lawyer-slams-armchair-37213747
    It is telling that, despite all the guff from Sturgeon's lawyers that she was cooperating fully with the investigation, she chose to remain silent rather than answer when questioned by the police. The same tactic used by Mafia hoods to avoid conviction.

    She didn't have just a passive role either. She also ensured that the SNP under her leadership did everything possible to obstruct investigation into the missing funds that it eventually turned out had been embezzled by Murrell, from the point in January 2020 when Wings Over Scotland first started asking awkward questions until the point of her resignation in February 2023, shortly before Murrell was charged by the police.
    Worth pointing out a Scottish difference: a jury in Scotland is not allowed to draw adverse inference from post-arrest silence as they are in England.
    How do they get stopped from doing so? A judge can direct, but if a jury is minded surely they can ignore?
    In reality, no comment interviews are almost never played to the jury. There is no point. So the jury are unlikely even to know.
    In England though if you mention something in court but not at an interview, are you not asked why you didn't say it earlier (in my extremely limited experience)?
    A million cop tv shows have told us that it may harm our defence if we do not mention when questioned something we later try to rely on in court.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    In Vanilla, the header reads as:

    "One of the fundamental problems Kemi & The Tories face – politicalbetting.com
    TSE"

    Which seems like the ultimate humblebrag.

    I know! And on a day when a former Labour Prime .Minister is hanging his Labour successors out to dry.
    I have yet to read the actual article but I did read a fairly lengthy summary on the BBC of Blair's piece. With the possible exception of joining the EU again I agreed with all of it. In fact I agreed with it a lot more than I have done with any politician from any political party for a very long time. Not sure where this puts Blair on the political spectrum but it is certainly to the right of both Starmer (to the extent he has a fixed position at all on pretty much anything) or Burnham.
    Tim Shipman points out that everyone quietly agrees with nearly all of it. (This has been linked already today I think, and it's worth a look). I think what Shipman has to say is more than interesting:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567
    I'm with @DavidL: I think Blair (and Tim Shipman) are completely missing the extent to which the US has changed.

    Now, it may be that Trump goes in two years and we return to normal (or what counts as normal). But it is also entirely possible that the US's relationship with the world has changed. The old democratic, capitalist first world countries that America counted as their allies, and in turn, bought US arms and influence, have been cut adrift. And the old, rules based, order is disintigrating.

    As a medium sized, open economy, dependent on foreign trader, this is not good news for us.

    But it is a hell of a lot better to acknowledge reality than to stick our fingers in our ears, scrunch our eyes up, and sing 'nah nah nah' at the top of our voices.
    Quite so, tempting as that is. The political nature of the USA is very different from just 10 years ago. Trump is a big part of it, and a catalyst for more change, but there's been reactions to him on both sides, they no longer operate in the way they used to, and some things are now partisan when they didn't use to be particularly so, and some of those things are international matters - so any 'return' to normal can never be assured for the long term any more.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059688192014467154
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/27/tony-blair-labour-wes-streeting-markets-democracy
    He looks just the same there. What was I looking at? I can't find it now.
    Someone unkindly captioned that byline pic with “Don’t talk to me until I’ve ‘ad me Costa”.
    I think @kinabalu is viewing this vid:

    https://x.com/wesstreeting/status/2059632154888298798

    Definitely a bit more quiff.
    Ah well done. Yes that's it.

    It's a triumph.
    So it's Madchester Oasis vs Cockney quiff?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    edited May 27
    Update on Isle of Wight Council and it appears they had a very exciting 19-19 tied vote*, with the Vice-Chair (a Conservative) using their casting vote for the incumbent Independent Chair.

    https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/26144340.isle-wight-council-chair-re-elected-tied-vote/

    *There's 39 councillors total, so with the chair out of the room they had a full attendance it seems. Their website shows 19 Reform councillors, so I guess everyone else voted against them.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,629
    edited May 27
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    In Vanilla, the header reads as:

    "One of the fundamental problems Kemi & The Tories face – politicalbetting.com
    TSE"

    Which seems like the ultimate humblebrag.

    I know! And on a day when a former Labour Prime .Minister is hanging his Labour successors out to dry.
    I have yet to read the actual article but I did read a fairly lengthy summary on the BBC of Blair's piece. With the possible exception of joining the EU again I agreed with all of it. In fact I agreed with it a lot more than I have done with any politician from any political party for a very long time. Not sure where this puts Blair on the political spectrum but it is certainly to the right of both Starmer (to the extent he has a fixed position at all on pretty much anything) or Burnham.
    Tim Shipman points out that everyone quietly agrees with nearly all of it. (This has been linked already today I think, and it's worth a look). I think what Shipman has to say is more than interesting:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567
    I'm with @DavidL: I think Blair (and Tim Shipman) are completely missing the extent to which the US has changed.

    Now, it may be that Trump goes in two years and we return to normal (or what counts as normal). But it is also entirely possible that the US's relationship with the world has changed. The old democratic, capitalist first world countries that America counted as their allies, and in turn, bought US arms and influence, have been cut adrift. And the old, rules based, order is disintigrating.

    As a medium sized, open economy, dependent on foreign trader, this is not good news for us.

    But it is a hell of a lot better to acknowledge reality than to stick our fingers in our ears, scrunch our eyes up, and sing 'nah nah nah' at the top of our voices.
    Blair hasn't missed it. He is not that stupid. His Wirtschaft und Gesellschaft essay isn't a reflection of belief or call to praxis. It's just a statement of policy that serves the interests of his paymasters and therefore by extension his interests.

    He doesn't believe in that destructive nonsense any more than the rest of us. Except Kemi and her pink cheeked (in both face and arse) altar boys on here.

    Also, Iraq.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    RobD said:

    https://x.com/geri_e_l_scott/status/2059728450706116992

    Excl: Sir Keir Starmer is under mounting pressure from his Cabinet to rethink Labour's net-zero agenda.

    The Times has been told that, in an escalating battle over the future of the party, ministers are increasingly questioning the central argument behind Labour's opposition to new North Sea drilling. They warn that the government risks ignoring the wider economic benefits of domestic oil and gas production.

    The Times understands senior Labour figures have privately challenged repeated claims that new oil and gas exploration would "not take a penny off bills".

    Ministers have consistently said that because oil prices are set internationally, lifting Labour's ban on new North Sea oil and gas exploration would make no difference to the amount paid by consumers.

    Some ministers and industry figures believe, however, that increasing domestic oil and gas production could strengthen the pound and lower costs across the economy.

    One source said: "Usually Ed [Miliband] would have the PM's ear on this stuff, but since the betrayal over the leadership, other arguments are now being heard." Miliband was among the cabinet ministers who urged Starmer to set out a timetable for his departure.

    Another said: "There's definitely a sense now that more people are willing to challenge Ed internally than they were a few months ago."

    Here’s a thought, let’s use the oil and gas money from the North Sea to fund electrification, or to put belatedly into a wealth fund.
    There is no way Ed M is retaining the energy brief after the change in PM.

    Really? He's very popular with the Members, unless he's getting a promotion he's pretty safe if he wants to stay in position?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,149
    edited May 27
    Compared to the last few days, it feels positively glacial outside at the moment. Probably around 15 degrees.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    kinabalu said:

    Just seen Wes's Blair rebuttal. Forget the words, crisp as always, it's about the look. It's new. Face more angular, hair fuller and quiffed slightly on top, a bit like the Fonz. He's running alright.

    On the one hand the man who will buck national trends and save the Labour party from the moribund Cabinet that has been ruining them, and on the other the most disloyal member of that Cabinet. Tough choice.

    Not my opinion of them, but I can see a lot of people going that way. Will Wes be able to get people to listen to him?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,149
    edited May 27

    Is anyone else feeling lost?

    Labour manage to win a rare landslide election victory just two years ago and have now decided to have a massive 'soul searching' internal debate about why the party even exists anymore with walk on parts from politicians who were in their pomp thirty years ago.

    I don't understand why Labour didn't bring in some truly radical policies after winning a 170 seat majority, like proportional representation, abolishing the House of Lords, getting rid of the triple lock, mandating that all new factories and warehouses should have solar panels on the roof. (I would have supported all of those).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Andy_JS said:

    Is anyone else feeling lost?

    Labour manage to win a rare landslide election victory just two years ago and have now decided to have a massive 'soul searching' internal debate about why the party even exists anymore with walk on parts from politicians who were in their pomp thirty years ago.

    I don't understand why Labour didn't bring in some truly radical policies after winning a 170 seat majority, like proportional representation, abolishing the House of Lords, getting rid of the triple lock, mandating that all new factories and warehouses should have solar panels on the roof. (I would have supported all of those).
    They did seem oddly tentative in a lot of ways, after getting burned by a big rebellion early on. Boris was also frit with his majority, just abandoning any hint of real planning reform after initial pushback when he could have at least revamped it, and not even touching social care after May dared to suggest something and got burned by it.

    Perhaps no majority seems to provide true comfort to the modern political classes.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,225
    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    What is still not equal, sex-at-birth-wise? The pension age is now equal...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    Andy_JS said:

    Is anyone else feeling lost?

    Labour manage to win a rare landslide election victory just two years ago and have now decided to have a massive 'soul searching' internal debate about why the party even exists anymore with walk on parts from politicians who were in their pomp thirty years ago.

    I don't understand why Labour didn't bring in some truly radical policies after winning a 170 seat majority, like proportional representation, abolishing the House of Lords, getting rid of the triple lock, mandating that all new factories and warehouses should have solar panels on the roof. (I would have supported all of those).
    Erm, 'cos none of those were in the manifesto.

    Did Starmer really need to spend the full four years he thought he had in a massive war with the House of Lords over its abolition without a mandate?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    @Andy_JS asks upthread if the "left" is responsible for the rise of the "populist right"?

    It's a curious question or series of questions to be honest. Given we had Conservative Government for nearly a decade and a half, it's hard to see what "the left" had to do with any of it.

    Indeed, the only thing for which you could blame Labour is dispensing with its own populist in the form of Jeremy Corbyn for the more "moderate" and electorally successful Keir Starmer. The trouble is the supporters of Corbyn didnt acquiesce as they did in the times of Blair and Brown and have gone on to influence and infiltrate other groups.

    As for "the Right", the long-running sore of EU membership was lanced in 2016 and that should have led to a reunification of Conservatives (as it did under Johnson) but somewhere Jonnsonian Conservatism lost its way - perhaps it was trying to be too much for too many people and the big tent collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions.

    Liberal conservatism limped on under Sunak to a devastating defeat while social conservatism found a new niche in Reform and Restore.

    Thus you had failures on both sides of the fence and schisms in both albeit along different lines so the answer is no, the "right" has to take its share of blame for what has happened.

    Well the left abused the wishy-washy centrism of the Coalition government as if it was a "far right" government.
    They also abused McCain and Romney as if they were fascists.
    So people were unable to distinguish the genuine far right because the left's abuse was constant.
    Sure, but that's happened in both directions.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,112
    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    edited May 27
    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,225
    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
    The best option, if possible, is to fix the online system so no-one has to queue.

    I appreciate this is hard, though.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,112
    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
    And no doubt if we did that, the Telegraph would be printing an article tomorrow on how the Filthy Transgenders are now standing in the good, honest hetero queue with the rest of us, taking up space, slowing things down for us normal folks, when they should be in their own separate queue so they don't bother the rest of us.

    See how it works yet?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    edited May 27
    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
    And no doubt if we did that, the Telegraph would be printing an article tomorrow on how the Filthy Transgenders are now standing in the good, honest hetero queue with the rest of us, taking up space, slowing things down for us normal folks, when they should be in their own separate queue so they don't bother the rest of us.

    See how it works yet?
    Huh? That wouldn't slow anyone down on the regular line as there would still be the same number of callers going to the same number of agents.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,149
    edited May 27

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    This is the opposite of equality of course. Some people getting privileged treatment compared to everyone else.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,208
    carnforth said:

    algarkirk said:

    https://x.com/Dennynews/status/2059682549928993200

    Statement from Aamer Anwar issued on behalf of Nicola Sturgeon:

    "It would appear some ‘armchair detectives’ think they are better placed than the gold-plated investigation of Police Scotland and now wish to try Ms Sturgeon for crimes she has not committed"

    According to the Daily Record her lawyer has also said this;

    "Had there been any evidence of criminality against Ms Sturgeon, then there can be no doubt that she would have been charged, prosecuted and presently be behind bars."

    Which, if it is true it was said, is, as Shakespeare would say, the lie direct, as the lawyer knows. For a lawyer knows that there are tons of cases where there is 'evidence of criminality' but insufficient to bring the matter to trial where the standard of proof is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.


    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-lawyer-slams-armchair-37213747
    It is telling that, despite all the guff from Sturgeon's lawyers that she was cooperating fully with the investigation, she chose to remain silent rather than answer when questioned by the police. The same tactic used by Mafia hoods to avoid conviction.

    She didn't have just a passive role either. She also ensured that the SNP under her leadership did everything possible to obstruct investigation into the missing funds that it eventually turned out had been embezzled by Murrell, from the point in January 2020 when Wings Over Scotland first started asking awkward questions until the point of her resignation in February 2023, shortly before Murrell was charged by the police.
    Worth pointing out a Scottish difference: a jury in Scotland is not allowed to draw adverse inference from post-arrest silence as they are in England.
    No, but we can. Sturgeon is in it up to her neck.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,835
    https://x.com/tony_diver/status/2059765851168100600

    In tomorrow’s @Telegraph:

    Lord Mandelson advised numerous Cabinet ministers during his time as ambassador to Washington, messages to be released next week are expected to reveal.

    The Telegraph understands that the disgraced peer often messaged senior Labour politicians and officials with suggestions on how to conduct official business far outside his remit as Britain’s ambassador to the US.

    The messages are expected to be published next week alongside thousands of pages of material about his appointment, vetting and communications.

    A source familiar with the messages said it would become clear that Lord Mandelson “thinks his opinion should be heard and listened to”, adding: “He’s definitely someone who offers advice.

    “There is a certain generation of politician who thinks they have something to offer. He does that whether people want it or not.”

    The messages are expected to include exchanges with Yvette Cooper, the Foreign Secretary, who is understood to have kept her conversations with Lord Mandelson to official channels, rather than on WhatsApp.

    They will also show conversations between the peer and Peter Kyle, then serving as science secretary, about their joint visit to a global technology conference in California in March 2025.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    rcs1000 said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    @Andy_JS asks upthread if the "left" is responsible for the rise of the "populist right"?

    It's a curious question or series of questions to be honest. Given we had Conservative Government for nearly a decade and a half, it's hard to see what "the left" had to do with any of it.

    Indeed, the only thing for which you could blame Labour is dispensing with its own populist in the form of Jeremy Corbyn for the more "moderate" and electorally successful Keir Starmer. The trouble is the supporters of Corbyn didnt acquiesce as they did in the times of Blair and Brown and have gone on to influence and infiltrate other groups.

    As for "the Right", the long-running sore of EU membership was lanced in 2016 and that should have led to a reunification of Conservatives (as it did under Johnson) but somewhere Jonnsonian Conservatism lost its way - perhaps it was trying to be too much for too many people and the big tent collapsed under the weight of its own contradictions.

    Liberal conservatism limped on under Sunak to a devastating defeat while social conservatism found a new niche in Reform and Restore.

    Thus you had failures on both sides of the fence and schisms in both albeit along different lines so the answer is no, the "right" has to take its share of blame for what has happened.

    Well the left abused the wishy-washy centrism of the Coalition government as if it was a "far right" government.
    They also abused McCain and Romney as if they were fascists.
    So people were unable to distinguish the genuine
    right because the left's abuse was constant.
    Sure, but that's happened in both directions.
    It's clearly the fault of the Conservatives, or at least the right of the Conservatives, first they stoked division over the EU presenting Brexit as the answer to the malcontents problems then they stoked tensions over immigration, slowed down processing resulting in asylum seekers in unsuitable accommodation for months on end and then the Boris wave, a group exploited by visa agents with many now stuck without work from their sponsor and unable to work for other employers.
    That their cynical exploitation of migration for electoral gain , stoking of tensions and incompetence in government has led to the rise of right wing populism and the collapse of their party is just reward.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949

    https://x.com/tony_diver/status/2059765851168100600

    In tomorrow’s @Telegraph:

    Lord Mandelson advised numerous Cabinet ministers during his time as ambassador to Washington, messages to be released next week are expected to reveal.

    The Telegraph understands that the disgraced peer often messaged senior Labour politicians and officials with suggestions on how to conduct official business far outside his remit as Britain’s ambassador to the US.

    The messages are expected to be published next week alongside thousands of pages of material about his appointment, vetting and communications.

    A source familiar with the messages said it would become clear that Lord Mandelson “thinks his opinion should be heard and listened to”, adding: “He’s definitely someone who offers advice.

    “There is a certain generation of politician who thinks they have something to offer. He does that whether people want it or not.”

    The messages are expected to include exchanges with Yvette Cooper, the Foreign Secretary, who is understood to have kept her conversations with Lord Mandelson to official channels, rather than on WhatsApp.

    They will also show conversations between the peer and Peter Kyle, then serving as science secretary, about their joint visit to a global technology conference in California in March 2025.

    Nick the Greek from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels had less fingers in less pies than Mandleson.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949

    https://x.com/tony_diver/status/2059765851168100600

    In tomorrow’s @Telegraph:

    Lord Mandelson advised numerous Cabinet ministers during his time as ambassador to Washington, messages to be released next week are expected to reveal.

    The Telegraph understands that the disgraced peer often messaged senior Labour politicians and officials with suggestions on how to conduct official business far outside his remit as Britain’s ambassador to the US.

    The messages are expected to be published next week alongside thousands of pages of material about his appointment, vetting and communications.

    A source familiar with the messages said it would become clear that Lord Mandelson “thinks his opinion should be heard and listened to”, adding: “He’s definitely someone who offers advice.

    “There is a certain generation of politician who thinks they have something to offer. He does that whether people want it or not.”

    The messages are expected to include exchanges with Yvette Cooper, the Foreign Secretary, who is understood to have kept her conversations with Lord Mandelson to official channels, rather than on WhatsApp.

    They will also show conversations between the peer and Peter Kyle, then serving as science secretary, about their joint visit to a global technology conference in California in March 2025.

    Nick the Greek from Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels had less fingers in less pies than Mandleson.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    Taz said:

    Newcastle Utd and England superstar, Anthony Gordon, off to Barca for big money.

    No,doubt the Toon will waste this cash on some useless no marks.

    Newcastle will be looking at the West Ham fire sale. Jarrod Bowen for the barcodes?

    Actually there is betting on that. JB's club after the window closes: 6/5 West Ham; 7/2 Newcastle; 4/1 Villa; 10/1 bar. Bet365. 8/1 at BetVictor according to Oddschecker.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/jarrod-bowen/club-after-summer-transfer-window

    Mind you, what's going on manager-wise?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,835
    https://x.com/freddiesayers/status/2059775721862566262

    “How much ink has been spilled, in recent months, on the matter of “Anglo-Gaullism”? Here he is, at last, le Général — and he was under our noses all along!”

    @si_rubinstein makes the case for Tony Blair — as Britain’s next prime minister.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560

    Taz said:

    Newcastle Utd and England superstar, Anthony Gordon, off to Barca for big money.

    No,doubt the Toon will waste this cash on some useless no marks.

    Newcastle will be looking at the West Ham fire sale. Jarrod Bowen for the barcodes?

    Actually there is betting on that. JB's club after the window closes: 6/5 West Ham; 7/2 Newcastle; 4/1 Villa; 10/1 bar. Bet365. 8/1 at BetVictor according to Oddschecker.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/jarrod-bowen/club-after-summer-transfer-window

    Mind you, what's going on manager-wise?
    Why would a club in serious financial trouble be hanging on to its major saleable asset?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,761
    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
    And no doubt if we did that, the Telegraph would be printing an article tomorrow on how the Filthy Transgenders are now standing in the good, honest hetero queue with the rest of us, taking up space, slowing things down for us normal folks, when they should be in their own separate queue so they don't bother the rest of us.

    See how it works yet?
    Huh? That wouldn't slow anyone down on the regular line as there would still be the same number of callers going to the same number of agents.
    If you sort everyone into the correct queue at the beginning of the queue it reduces total time spent queuing. Imagine a situation with a thousand agents servicing a thousand callers. You would not put them into a thousand-long queue.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    This is the opposite of equality of course. Some people getting privileged treatment compared to everyone else.
    HMRC insisted the policy was necessary because the records of transgender people required “greater protection” to ensure confidentiality under equality laws.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/ (£££)

    So under equality laws, trans people's identity must be kept secret by HMRC but must be broadcast at every visit to the loo. What a mess!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,761
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    This is the opposite of equality of course. Some people getting privileged treatment compared to everyone else.
    I think the cure is to have the phone lines in toilets. That way nobody will be upset, no siree :)

    (Next week: strapping a piece of toast butter-side-up to a cat. When you drop them off the table, they fall to the ground but rotate constantly before impact, eventually levitating)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,761

    https://x.com/freddiesayers/status/2059775721862566262

    “How much ink has been spilled, in recent months, on the matter of “Anglo-Gaullism”? Here he is, at last, le Général — and he was under our noses all along!”

    @si_rubinstein makes the case for Tony Blair — as Britain’s next prime minister.

    https://unherd.com/2026/05/its-time-to-bring-back-blair/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Legal bid to block UK-backed French migrant detention centre

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxpdqvdyz7o
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Legal bid to block UK-backed French migrant detention centre

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxpdqvdyz7o
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    edited May 28
    viewcode said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
    And no doubt if we did that, the Telegraph would be printing an article tomorrow on how the Filthy Transgenders are now standing in the good, honest hetero queue with the rest of us, taking up space, slowing things down for us normal folks, when they should be in their own separate queue so they don't bother the rest of us.

    See how it works yet?
    Huh? That wouldn't slow anyone down on the regular line as there would still be the same number of callers going to the same number of agents.
    If you sort everyone into the correct queue at the beginning of the queue it reduces total time spent queuing. Imagine a situation with a thousand agents servicing a thousand callers. You would not put them into a thousand-long queue.
    And the thousand callers would immediately be allocated to the free agents. It’s not beyond our capabilities to have a system where everyone is treated roughly equally, regardless of what data the agent can or cannot see. And I’d apply this to MPs too, so that they can see how bad it is for the rest for us.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,149
    Thunderstorm has arrived.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,242
    kle4 said:

    RobD said:

    https://x.com/geri_e_l_scott/status/2059728450706116992

    Excl: Sir Keir Starmer is under mounting pressure from his Cabinet to rethink Labour's net-zero agenda.

    The Times has been told that, in an escalating battle over the future of the party, ministers are increasingly questioning the central argument behind Labour's opposition to new North Sea drilling. They warn that the government risks ignoring the wider economic benefits of domestic oil and gas production.

    The Times understands senior Labour figures have privately challenged repeated claims that new oil and gas exploration would "not take a penny off bills".

    Ministers have consistently said that because oil prices are set internationally, lifting Labour's ban on new North Sea oil and gas exploration would make no difference to the amount paid by consumers.

    Some ministers and industry figures believe, however, that increasing domestic oil and gas production could strengthen the pound and lower costs across the economy.

    One source said: "Usually Ed [Miliband] would have the PM's ear on this stuff, but since the betrayal over the leadership, other arguments are now being heard." Miliband was among the cabinet ministers who urged Starmer to set out a timetable for his departure.

    Another said: "There's definitely a sense now that more people are willing to challenge Ed internally than they were a few months ago."

    Here’s a thought, let’s use the oil and gas money from the North Sea to fund electrification, or to put belatedly into a wealth fund.
    There is no way Ed M is retaining the energy brief after the change in PM.

    Really? He's very popular with the Members, unless he's getting a promotion he's pretty safe if he wants to stay in position?
    Kemi's very popular with members as was Corbyn. Lemmings need a leader.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Newcastle Utd and England superstar, Anthony Gordon, off to Barca for big money.

    No,doubt the Toon will waste this cash on some useless no marks.

    Newcastle will be looking at the West Ham fire sale. Jarrod Bowen for the barcodes?

    Actually there is betting on that. JB's club after the window closes: 6/5 West Ham; 7/2 Newcastle; 4/1 Villa; 10/1 bar. Bet365. 8/1 at BetVictor according to Oddschecker.
    https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/jarrod-bowen/club-after-summer-transfer-window

    Mind you, what's going on manager-wise?
    Why would a club in serious financial trouble be hanging on to its major saleable asset?
    Promotion. (+ wealth warning: BV prices do not include West Ham so check terms!)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615
    Recent European map showing daytime hourly electricity rates in different regions.
    https://x.com/tito/status/2059649755710468320

    A pretty clear demonstration of the need for a continental electricity market, and more interconnects.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    viewcode said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MattW said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2059688954325065739

    HMRC has given trans taxpayers lifetime access to a VIP phone line which answers calls twice as fast

    It claims access is needed to ensure “greater protection” of trans people under equality laws


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/hmrc-gives-trans-people-access-to-vip-hotline/

    So they'll only be on hold for one hour then?
    The graph in that Telegraph article showing declining performance at the HMRC stops in .... 23/24.

    And the arrangement for trans people has been in place for more than 20 years. The "look at what happened" outrage headline is a little misleading - unless you read it in one very particular sense:

    Those who change gender have received access to PD1 since around 2005 ...

    Full article gift link:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f9600581a9eb7177
    Quite.

    Trans people, particularly those with a GRC, have been allowed to use "Special Section D" since the Gender Recognition Act (2004) came into force. This is because the GRC changes your legal sex "for all purposes" meaning that an employer has no right to know your sex at birth due to article 8 right privacy, but HMRC still need to know your sex at birth due to various carve outs from "for all purposes" for pensions etc.

    This means that trans peoples records are essentially sealed from the time they are issued a GRC, so they cannot be "outed" to their employer (as this would be illegal). It has nothing to do with them "being given preferential treatment" or "getting through to a helpdesk quicker". IIRC it was actually a disadvantage for a time as you couldn't submit an online tax return if you have to submit one, you had to do everything by paper, making it a nightmare if you were self employed or ran a business, but that may have changed in recent years.

    The Telegraph's article is extreme clickbait brainrot rage bait rot and should be treated with the contempt it deserves, but that's sort of like saying water is wet, isn't it? Sadly Brandolini's law once again applies.
    The solution is simple, wait in line with the rest of the plebs, then get routed to the VIP line once at the top.
    So your “simple” solution is to funnel trans people into the general queue, thus making it even longer for the “plebs”, only for them to finally reach someone who says, “Sorry, we can’t help you. Your records are sealed under Section D, so you’ll need to call this other number instead.”

    So now they get the privilege of waiting in two queues, rather than just being directed to the correct department in the first place... the one specifically set up to handle records sealed by law under the 2004 GRA.

    It’s a view, as they say. It's a view.
    No, that's not what I said. I proposed everyone joins the same queue, then routed to the relevant person when at the top of the queue.
    And no doubt if we did that, the Telegraph would be printing an article tomorrow on how the Filthy Transgenders are now standing in the good, honest hetero queue with the rest of us, taking up space, slowing things down for us normal folks, when they should be in their own separate queue so they don't bother the rest of us.

    See how it works yet?
    Huh? That wouldn't slow anyone down on the regular line as there would still be the same number of callers going to the same number of agents.
    If you sort everyone into the correct queue at the beginning of the queue it reduces total time spent queuing. Imagine a situation with a thousand agents servicing a thousand callers. You would not put them into a thousand-long queue.
    Tell that to the people that organise the check in at Stansted.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    edited May 28
    kle4 said:

    Update on Isle of Wight Council and it appears they had a very exciting 19-19 tied vote*, with the Vice-Chair (a Conservative) using their casting vote for the incumbent Independent Chair.

    https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/26144340.isle-wight-council-chair-re-elected-tied-vote/

    *There's 39 councillors total, so with the chair out of the room they had a full attendance it seems. Their website shows 19 Reform councillors, so I guess everyone else voted against them.

    The vote for the chair is a bit misleading, as with Reform having 19 out of 39 councillors, all the other groups were clearly sensible to avoid handing Reform a casting vote on top. For the rest of the meeting, the anti-Reform rainbow alliance that this vote might have signalled, failed to materialise.

    When the committee chair appointments were made, it became obvious that there has been some sort of a deal between Reform and the Independent Group - now calling themselves the Island First Network and comprising just six councillors but including some of those formerly cabinet members/committee chairs who have been administering the council prior. The IFN councillors kept their chair spots, and the other committees are all now chaired by Reform, the IFN taking it in turns to ‘lend’ Reform the extra vote they needed to defeat the opposing nominee from the Tory, LibDem or Green groups.

    Reform didn’t put forward a leadership nominee, and the leadership went to another Independent councillor formerly of the IFN but who fell out with his colleagues when, as education cabinet member, he went to the wire on defending some local school closures only for his cabinet colleagues to get cold feet and pull the rug out from under him a few days before the crucial council meeting. Since both Reform and the IFN voted for the guy to become leader, one assumes there’s been some mending of relationships, but the new leader (who’s actually been leader before, way back) has chosen to sit outside all groups and ‘bring people together’. Good luck with that. His deputy is now one of the Reform guys.

    On the upside, this Reform/Independent arrangement does at least command a majority, compared to the anticipated rainbow anti-Reform coalition with its majority of one. But it’s a potentially very flaky arrangement - and as someone who voted independent specifically to keep Reform out (and being far from alone in that), it’s not impressive that the re-elected independent councillors promptly sold themselves to Reform in return for keeping their special allowance payments.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    Jacob Rees-Mogg believes Tony Blair is a Tory, even a right-wing one:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPIqPdL9fME
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    Jacob Rees-Mogg believes Tony Blair is a Tory, even a right-wing one:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPIqPdL9fME
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338

    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
    I'd like to think so but the forecast is for high temperatures up to the weekend.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    This is quite the post from The Whitehouse.

    Honouring Harambe !!


    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2059779450275864710?s=61
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,242
    Taz said:

    This is quite the post from The Whitehouse.

    Honouring Harambe !!


    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2059779450275864710?s=61

    They like their child killers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harambe
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    Andy_JS said:

    Is anyone else feeling lost?

    Labour manage to win a rare landslide election victory just two years ago and have now decided to have a massive 'soul searching' internal debate about why the party even exists anymore with walk on parts from politicians who were in their pomp thirty years ago.

    I don't understand why Labour didn't bring in some truly radical policies after winning a 170 seat majority, like proportional representation, abolishing the House of Lords, getting rid of the triple lock, mandating that all new factories and warehouses should have solar panels on the roof. (I would have supported all of those).
    They couldn’t even get through WFA change or modest changes to the rate of growth of the welfare bill, not even cutting it just slowing the growth rate.

    Doing something truly radical would have been impossible.

    Managing this lot must be like herding cats.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
    I'd like to think so but the forecast is for high temperatures up to the weekend.
    It’s meant to be warm, but not as warm, today and noticeably cooler but still sunny on Friday and Saturday before turning wetter next week.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    This is quite the post from The Whitehouse.

    Honouring Harambe !!


    https://x.com/whitehouse/status/2059779450275864710?s=61

    They like their child killers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harambe
    Harambe didn’t kill the child. It’s been argued Harambe was trying to protect the child.

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
    I'd like to think so but the forecast is for high temperatures up to the weekend.
    It’s meant to be warm, but not as warm, today and noticeably cooler but still sunny on Friday and Saturday before turning wetter next week.
    Funnily enough, exactly the same forecast for here in Italy, and we had a heavy thunderstorm last night, too; the first rain for over a week
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    Weather forecast in the BBC here, sunny all day.

    Currently raining.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    Azealia Banks tweeting, not going to link it, with the sort of subtle metaphors about the U.K. that would make TSE blush !
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    Uk, France and Ireland all recorded their hottest May days on record yesterday
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
    I'd like to think so but the forecast is for high temperatures up to the weekend.
    It’s meant to be warm, but not as warm, today and noticeably cooler but still sunny on Friday and Saturday before turning wetter next week.
    It was supposed to be cooler yesterday but felt worse. Humidity maybe.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
    I'd like to think so but the forecast is for high temperatures up to the weekend.
    It’s meant to be warm, but not as warm, today and noticeably cooler but still sunny on Friday and Saturday before turning wetter next week.
    It was supposed to be cooler yesterday but felt worse. Humidity maybe.
    It feels cooler this morning after the storm and I've opened as many windows as I can to ventilate the house.

    Probably won't last though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,755
    IanB2 said:

    Uk, France and Ireland all recorded their hottest May days on record yesterday

    EU solidarity!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,755
    Yesterday, saw a massive storm on the northerrn horizon traverse west to east. According to radar, it was 40-odd miles away near Cambridge and Sudbury way. No rain in east London, however!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Yesterday, saw a massive storm on the northerrn horizon traverse west to east. According to radar, it was 40-odd miles away near Cambridge and Sudbury way. No rain in east London, however!

    London's such a dump even the rain won't visit it.

    *puts hands in pockets and whistles quietly*
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,755

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Thunderstorm has arrived.

    Is that summer over now?
    I'd like to think so but the forecast is for high temperatures up to the weekend.
    It’s meant to be warm, but not as warm, today and noticeably cooler but still sunny on Friday and Saturday before turning wetter next week.
    It was supposed to be cooler yesterday but felt worse. Humidity maybe.
    Living room thermometer hardly changed between Tuesday evening and last night - around 27 degrees.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,338
    Mandelson vetting warned of ties to senior figures in China, Russia and Israel
    Exclusive: Vetting officials also flagged £1m loan when recommending he should be denied security clearance

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/27/mandelson-vetting-warned-ties-senior-figures-china-russia-israel

    How much of this was new though?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 28
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm suffering a conflict about Andy Burnham which I hope to feel better for sharing.

    The #1 political priority for me (by miles) is that the Populist Right don't get their hands on national power, ie Reform must not win the next GE. It would be a moral and £££ catastrophe (imo). Whatever is needed to stop it has to happen. Which means, since Keir Starmer can't connect, a new Labour leader is required, specifically one who *can* connect and who polls well. AB is therefore just what the doctor ordered. He's the answer to my prayers and I so so want him to sweep in and take over. Cmon Andy!

    OTOH. Less than 2 years ago, a chap named Keir Starmer decisively won a GE. Ok, a churlishly given landslide, and ming vase, no plan etc etc, but so what, all GEs have their features and that was GE24. The fact is after 4 years as LOTO he campaigned to be PM and he won fair and square. Andy Burnham had bugger all to do with it. He was 7 years into being mayor of Manchester. Nobody was even thinking about Andy Burnham when they voted. Yet now, summer 26, a GE still ages away, here he comes barrelling down to London and all of a sudden he's our Prime Minister. I mean, cmon, that's not right.

    I feel both these things at the same time and I don't like it. It's causing my temple to throb.

    As Dawn Abbot pointed out, constitutionally it is the Labour Party collectively, not Keir Starmer individually, that has the electoral mandate. If SKS cannot command the confidence of the house and AB can, then it's constitutionally OK for the King to make AB PM
    Problem is it'll cause a lot of hypocrisy from Labour supporters who were saying there should be a general election when the Tories changed their leader when in office, but now will be saying there doesn't need to be one.
    Starmer could threaten to call one as his last act before leaving office. That might just cause one or two backbenchers to pause for thought.
    Nah, Starmer supports Burnham. He knows thay his time is nearly up.
    Yes, let us not forget in the 2015 Labour leadership election Starmer as a new MP backed Burnham over Corbyn, Cooper and Kendall.

    I suspect if he is forced to resign Starmer on a forced choice would now vote for Burnham over Streeting, Burgon or Rayner (though the latter would now also likely back Burnham in the end)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I'm suffering a conflict about Andy Burnham which I hope to feel better for sharing.

    The #1 political priority for me (by miles) is that the Populist Right don't get their hands on national power, ie Reform must not win the next GE. It would be a moral and £££ catastrophe (imo). Whatever is needed to stop it has to happen. Which means, since Keir Starmer can't connect, a new Labour leader is required, specifically one who *can* connect and who polls well. AB is therefore just what the doctor ordered. He's the answer to my prayers and I so so want him to sweep in and take over. Cmon Andy!

    OTOH. Less than 2 years ago, a chap named Keir Starmer decisively won a GE. Ok, a churlishly given landslide, and ming vase, no plan etc etc, but so what, all GEs have their features and that was GE24. The fact is after 4 years as LOTO he campaigned to be PM and he won fair and square. Andy Burnham had bugger all to do with it. He was 7 years into being mayor of Manchester. Nobody was even thinking about Andy Burnham when they voted. Yet now, summer 26, a GE still ages away, here he comes barrelling down to London and all of a sudden he's our Prime Minister. I mean, cmon, that's not right.

    I feel both these things at the same time and I don't like it. It's causing my temple to throb.

    As Dawn Abbot pointed out, constitutionally it is the Labour Party collectively, not Keir Starmer individually, that has the electoral mandate. If SKS cannot command the confidence of the house and AB can, then it's constitutionally OK for the King to make AB PM
    Problem is it'll cause a lot of hypocrisy from Labour supporters who were saying there should be a general election when the Tories changed their leader when in office, but now will be saying there doesn't need to be one.
    Starmer could threaten to call one as his last act before leaving office. That might just cause one or two backbenchers to pause for thought.
    Nah, Starmer supports Burnham. He knows thay his time is nearly up.
    Yes, let us not forget in the 2015 Labour leadership election Starmer as a new MP backed Burnham over Corbyn, Cooper and Kendall.

    I suspect if he is forced to resign Starmer on a forced choice would now vote for Burnham over Streeting, Burgon or Rayner (though the latter would now also likely back Burnham in the end)
    Both Streeting and Rayner called for Burnham to be allowed to stand in Makerfield.

    This is all orchestrated to have Burnham in post for the Conference.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,928
    Good morning, everyone.

    Thunder and lightning here. Had fairly brief but heavy rainfall overnight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    NEW THREAD

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 28

    Jacob Rees-Mogg believes Tony Blair is a Tory, even a right-wing one:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPIqPdL9fME

    On economics yes but socially even Jacob would recognise his fellow Roman Catholic Blair is way more liberal than he is on issues like formal recognition of same sex marriage and couples, abortion, Brexit etc and Blair also banned fox hunting while Jacob has fox hunt meets start at his mansion, even if Blair now says it should not have been a priority
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 878
    OT - Cons bigger problem is that noone thinks they will win the next election so they face the issue generations of Lib Dems have. Pronouncing what you will do in power just makes you look ridiculous. The Lib Dems have worked out other ways to survive and operate. The Cons will have to do the same.
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