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Will Richard Burgon be our next Prime Minister? – politicalbetting.com

One name mooted as a candidate against Burnham was Richard Burgon, the MP for Leeds East and a former Corbynite frontbencher. Other names include Bell Ribeiro-Addy, Olivia Blake and Clive Lewis. None have indicated any desire to stand.

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Good one.

    No.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Please no.

    Burnham would be bad enough.

    Steeeting or Rayner would be worse.

    But Richard Burgon?!!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    ydoethur said:

    Please no.

    Burnham would be bad enough.

    Steeeting or Rayner would be worse.

    But Richard Burgon?!!!!

    He's a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Please no.

    Burnham would be bad enough.

    Steeeting or Rayner would be worse.

    But Richard Burgon?!!!!

    He's a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
    Source: Cambridge Legal Society
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Please no.

    Burnham would be bad enough.

    Steeeting or Rayner would be worse.

    But Richard Burgon?!!!!

    He's a Cambridge educated lawyer, the best of humanity.
    So is Amanda Spielman.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    LostPassword said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Do people really believe Sturgeon knew nothing? I’m pretty sure I’d notice if my wife spent at extra 400k over ten years. Has he just taken the rap? Or is she an idiot?

    They were both pretty highly paid anyway, and if she didn't know how much something like the coffee machine cost then it might not have seemed like an amazing amount of spending. And he may have hidden some of it from her.

    I think it's possible she didn't know.
    If I were embezzling thousands of pounds from my employers I can guarantee my wife would know nothing about it. She pays no attention to anything financial. I mean, she might find it odd if I were suddenly splashing my cash on a lot of fancy stuff as I am an inveterate cheapskate - I'm the sort of person who saves the teabag to make a second cup out of it - so if I turned up with a James Bond fountain pen there might be some questions asked.
    And if your wife were managing director of your employer, and you in charge of the accounts, might that imply a bit more than that ?

    I don't blame Sturgeon for her husband's crimes, but did she not have some responsibility for the management of the party's affairs ?
    More to the point - where was she when her husband was blocking senior SNP people from accessing the financial information they were entitled to?
    Telling them not to talk about it?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542
    No! Go for it Ed!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Fishing said:

    PB

    Where it's 1st April every day ...

    The newspaper that is part of the UK’s constitution says it is possible.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Richard Burgno.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    Obviously not.

    The country can’t afford a summer of introspection and Labour infighting. And no-one is going to ‘lend’ Burgon their vote to broaden the debate, like Beckett idiotically did for Corbyn. If Burnham wins the by-election convincingly, it’s in Labour’s and our national interest to get him into number ten swiftly so he can crack on with the job. Even ambitious young Wes realises that and will be taking his grandmother down from eBay and grovelling to secure himself a ticket back to the cabinet table.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Olivia Blake is my MP.

    Has a constituency ever been represented by a Deputy PM and a Prime Minister (excluding Limehouse)?
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,493
    Better chance of Cape Verde winning the World Cup than Restore being on 18% in Makerfield. Reform's so-called canvassing is b***shit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    7:30pm. In the shade it is still 30 degrees in my garden.

    Wow.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,512
    kle4 said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    LostPassword said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Do people really believe Sturgeon knew nothing? I’m pretty sure I’d notice if my wife spent at extra 400k over ten years. Has he just taken the rap? Or is she an idiot?

    They were both pretty highly paid anyway, and if she didn't know how much something like the coffee machine cost then it might not have seemed like an amazing amount of spending. And he may have hidden some of it from her.

    I think it's possible she didn't know.
    If I were embezzling thousands of pounds from my employers I can guarantee my wife would know nothing about it. She pays no attention to anything financial. I mean, she might find it odd if I were suddenly splashing my cash on a lot of fancy stuff as I am an inveterate cheapskate - I'm the sort of person who saves the teabag to make a second cup out of it - so if I turned up with a James Bond fountain pen there might be some questions asked.
    And if your wife were managing director of your employer, and you in charge of the accounts, might that imply a bit more than that ?

    I don't blame Sturgeon for her husband's crimes, but did she not have some responsibility for the management of the party's affairs ?
    More to the point - where was she when her husband was blocking senior SNP people from accessing the financial information they were entitled to?
    Telling them not to talk about it?
    IIRC there is a video of her telling them not to ask questions. Because the SNP finances were the bestest finances in the history of the world.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375
    solarflare said:

    Richard Burgno.

    Dick Bur-gone. Along with Labour's credibility.

    Hur hur hur.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    Remarkably, our HY’s top three favourite political parties.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    Much good it does two of them.

    The LDs i suppose are at least basically holding position.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    edited May 25
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,512
    IanB2 said:

    Obviously not.

    The country can’t afford a summer of introspection and Labour infighting. And no-one is going to ‘lend’ Burgon their vote to broaden the debate, like Beckett idiotically did for Corbyn. If Burnham wins the by-election convincingly, it’s in Labour’s and our national interest to get him into number ten swiftly so he can crack on with the job. Even ambitious young Wes realises that and will be taking his grandmother down from eBay and grovelling to secure himself a ticket back to the cabinet table.

    Wes is EBaying his grandmother?

    Shocking!

    As I explained before, selling your grandparents would incur massive capital gains liabilities.

    You need to create Collateralised Elderly Relative Obligations (CERO), with physical delivery in a third party jurisdiction incurring no CGT. Then you trade them on an OTC market you step up.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    kle4 said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    Much good it does two of them.

    The LDs i suppose are at least basically holding position.
    The 2 Scottish by elections in Aberdeen South and Arbroath and Broughty Ferry on the 18th June have just become quite interesting
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    I'm sure the Conservatives will be divided again the next time they get a sniff of power.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,119
    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    solarflare said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    I'm sure the Conservatives will be divided again the next time they get a sniff of power.
    Maybe chance would be a fine thing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,609
    "Ambassador you spoil us with you headlines."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Yes, I think that's probably right.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    Well what would you call the party attempting to unseat yet another PM, this time less than 2 years from a landslide and now the left talking of Burgon
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,119
    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    Well, at least he's got through the selectionification process so far.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Nigelb said:

    "Ambassador you spoil us with you headlines."

    It’s been a while since I made John Rentoul’s QTWTAIN list.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    Slightly dramatic, but a Cabinet Minister resigning and saying he maybe might will possibly challenge him, is at least a bit of civil strife.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    Malmesbury said:

    kle4 said:

    Malmesbury said:

    Nigelb said:

    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    LostPassword said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Do people really believe Sturgeon knew nothing? I’m pretty sure I’d notice if my wife spent at extra 400k over ten years. Has he just taken the rap? Or is she an idiot?

    They were both pretty highly paid anyway, and if she didn't know how much something like the coffee machine cost then it might not have seemed like an amazing amount of spending. And he may have hidden some of it from her.

    I think it's possible she didn't know.
    If I were embezzling thousands of pounds from my employers I can guarantee my wife would know nothing about it. She pays no attention to anything financial. I mean, she might find it odd if I were suddenly splashing my cash on a lot of fancy stuff as I am an inveterate cheapskate - I'm the sort of person who saves the teabag to make a second cup out of it - so if I turned up with a James Bond fountain pen there might be some questions asked.
    And if your wife were managing director of your employer, and you in charge of the accounts, might that imply a bit more than that ?

    I don't blame Sturgeon for her husband's crimes, but did she not have some responsibility for the management of the party's affairs ?
    More to the point - where was she when her husband was blocking senior SNP people from accessing the financial information they were entitled to?
    Telling them not to talk about it?
    IIRC there is a video of her telling them not to ask questions. Because the SNP finances were the bestest finances in the history of the world.
    She wouldn’t let SNP members look at the finances either because she knew they were dodgy, because she’s a control freak, or both. I say both, and because she’s a control freak she would also want to know about her home finances. She’s guilty as hell.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,676
    Burgon would struggle for 18 nominations let alone the required 81.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
    I would hope otherwise, as I think the very process of testing things out is useful, but I think you are right.

    Burnham (assuming he is elected) will arrive as the great saviour, making the MPs feel good that he can turn things around. Starmer will be told 200 MPs are already signed up to Andy, with more to follow, and he'll say he will stand down once a new leader is in place. At which point the Left say they will give Andy a shot, and Wes says please give me a job Andy.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
    Sorry, I should have said 'he's got to be by-electionated first'.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Keir: Give me til July at least, I need my two years!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,334
    Two minutes of Harold Wilson being interviewed on his election as leader of the Labour Party:-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NYgFn_Q1p4I
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,119
    I win an £100 bet if Burnham becomes PM so do your own research
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
    He has to win Makerfield and as I commented earlier there has been an uptick in labour in the polls but also reform which makes the seat very unpredictable

    I hope Burnham wins but maybe not get ahead of the 18th June
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Ambassador you spoil us with you headlines."

    It’s been a while since I made John Rentoul’s QTWTAIN list.
    And now two in succession.

    Next up: Can Scotland win the World Cup? (Go on, I dare you.)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,624
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    Well what would you call the party attempting to unseat yet another PM, this time less than 2 years from a landslide and now the left talking of Burgon
    The left is not "talking of Burgon" - don't believe what you read. It may surprise folk (though it shouldn't), but most of us on the left of the Labour Party don't take Burgon remotely seriously. So much so that if he were up against, say, Streeting, I think most of us would vote for Streeting.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    First pm called Andy. Though not the first Andrew. Bonar law was actually Andrew Bonar Law. We’ve had a run of first name firsts recently. Keir, Rishi, Boris (though there have been a few Alexanders), Theresa, Gordon. David Cameron was of course preceded by Lord George, and there was Anthony Eden before Tonty B.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Pronunciation question: is it Makerfield as in Mr Maker, or as in Makka-Pakka?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    Benpointer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Ambassador you spoil us with you headlines."

    It’s been a while since I made John Rentoul’s QTWTAIN list.
    And now two in succession.

    Next up: Can Scotland win the World Cup? (Go on, I dare you.)
    It's a big multiverse.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    solarflare said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    I'm sure the Conservatives will be divided again the next time they get a sniff of power.
    2050?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    MelonB said:

    Pronunciation question: is it Makerfield as in Mr Maker, or as in Makka-Pakka?

    Rhymes with baker
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,624
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    'Coronated' is just not a proper word and should be banned.

    However, it's not a problem; as Burnham is King of the North he can be crowned.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.

    It would be a surprise if any candidate, other than Burnham (LAB) and Kenyon (RFM), saved their deposit.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186
    Northern_Al said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    Well what would you call the party attempting to unseat yet another PM, this time less than 2 years from a landslide and now the left talking of Burgon
    The left is not "talking of Burgon" - don't believe what you read. It may surprise folk (though it shouldn't), but most of us on the left of the Labour Party don't take Burgon remotely seriously. So much so that if he were up against, say, Streeting, I think most of us would vote for Streeting.
    Burgin, Long-Bailey, and a few others should just stop breaking the Trades Description Act.

    Like Corbyn before them.

    Masquerading as Labour MPs but in reality self deserving ego maniac tossers.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    It’s almost evening but at last you’ve said something sensible today
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 854
    MelonB said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    First pm called Andy. Though not the first Andrew. Bonar law was actually Andrew Bonar Law. We’ve had a run of first name firsts recently. Keir, Rishi, Boris (though there have been a few Alexanders), Theresa, Gordon. David Cameron was of course preceded by Lord George, and there was Anthony Eden before Tonty B.
    Gordon Brown's first name is James.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,676
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.

    I really hope they don't. For all the 'lols' of a split on the hard right benefiting Labour the thought of an outfit like that (message: Farage is too moderate) getting a big vote in a nothing out of the ordinary place like Makerfield would be incredibly worrying.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,119
    IanB2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    It’s almost evening but at last you’ve said something sensible today
    What’s eaten you?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    IanB2 said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    It’s almost evening but at last you’ve said something sensible today
    ...so long as you overlook 'coronated'.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186
    kinabalu said:

    Burgon would struggle for 18 nominations let alone the required 81.

    There is no Momentum surge this time.

    No hijacking of the Party

    Hopefully no pillock suggesting the extreme left be allowed to break rules to get a nominee.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Burgon would struggle for 18 nominations let alone the required 81.

    There is no Momentum surge this time.

    No hijacking of the Party

    Hopefully no pillock suggesting the extreme left be allowed to break rules to get a nominee.

    There's no Momentum surge because they've all joined the Green Party.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    rottenborough said:

    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Burgon would struggle for 18 nominations let alone the required 81.

    There is no Momentum surge this time.

    No hijacking of the Party

    Hopefully no pillock suggesting the extreme left be allowed to break rules to get a nominee.

    There's no Momentum surge because they've all joined the Green Party.
    True dat.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186
    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    The Tories have given up.

    The last one out might as well leave the light on, it's doomed
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    SandraMc said:

    MelonB said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    First pm called Andy. Though not the first Andrew. Bonar law was actually Andrew Bonar Law. We’ve had a run of first name firsts recently. Keir, Rishi, Boris (though there have been a few Alexanders), Theresa, Gordon. David Cameron was of course preceded by Lord George, and there was Anthony Eden before Tonty B.
    Gordon Brown's first name is James.
    I forgot that. Still, if Alexander Boris de Pfeffel
    Johnson counts as Boris then James Gordon Brown can. Preceded by James Callaghan and (James) Ramsay McDonald.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,627
    On the basis that enough voters' choice is based on the first syllable of a name (c.f. Restore and Reform), Labourites could go "Burgon or Burnham, what does it matter?" and we'd end up with Canmbridge's finest legal specimen running the show
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    SandraMc said:

    MelonB said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    First pm called Andy. Though not the first Andrew. Bonar law was actually Andrew Bonar Law. We’ve had a run of first name firsts recently. Keir, Rishi, Boris (though there have been a few Alexanders), Theresa, Gordon. David Cameron was of course preceded by Lord George, and there was Anthony Eden before Tonty B.
    Gordon Brown's first name is James.
    AI tells me that there has been one PM of the UK with the first name James - James Callaghan. AI is, of course, wrong.

    I get it being confused by the question, as the ones with the actual first name of James did not go by it so for most people asking it will be correct enough, but even its caveating is a bit odd - stating that several others have had James as part of their 'middle names - most notably James Ramsay MacDonald', suggesting its sources were not sure of the difference between a middle name and a first name that people just don't primarily use.

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.

    I really hope they don't. For all the 'lols' of a split on the hard right benefiting Labour the thought of an outfit like that (message: Farage is too moderate) getting a big vote in a nothing out of the ordinary place like Makerfield would be incredibly worrying.
    It would signify the digital reach and influence of Elon Musk.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    MelonB said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.

    I really hope they don't. For all the 'lols' of a split on the hard right benefiting Labour the thought of an outfit like that (message: Farage is too moderate) getting a big vote in a nothing out of the ordinary place like Makerfield would be incredibly worrying.
    It would signify the digital reach and influence of Elon Musk.
    He's got several trillion dollar companies to run, I wish he wouldn't bother.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,207
    Northern_Al said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    Well what would you call the party attempting to unseat yet another PM, this time less than 2 years from a landslide and now the left talking of Burgon
    The left is not "talking of Burgon" - don't believe what you read. It may surprise folk (though it shouldn't), but most of us on the left of the Labour Party don't take Burgon remotely seriously. So much so that if he were up against, say, Streeting, I think most of us would vote for Streeting.
    The fact that The Times political reporters see fit to run such dross is a good reminder that some things are better left hidden behind a paywall.

    As for Big G's claim about "civil war", now that Burnham has found a potentially viable route to becoming PM and is pointing the way out of the morass that Starmer has got Labour into, in this neck of the woods the party on the ground is more united and with better morale than I've seen for a long while.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    Brixian59 said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    The Tories have given up.

    The last one out might as well leave the light on, it's doomed
    Only in your fantasies - revisit this at GE 29
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,119
    Labour members will overwhelmingly choose Burnham over Starmer hence why an election will be pointless.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,127
    Wulfrun_Phil said:

    Northern_Al said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    Well what would you call the party attempting to unseat yet another PM, this time less than 2 years from a landslide and now the left talking of Burgon
    The left is not "talking of Burgon" - don't believe what you read. It may surprise folk (though it shouldn't), but most of us on the left of the Labour Party don't take Burgon remotely seriously. So much so that if he were up against, say, Streeting, I think most of us would vote for Streeting.
    The fact that The Times political reporters see fit to run such dross is a good reminder that some things are better left hidden behind a paywall.

    As for Big G's claim about "civil war", now that Burnham has found a potentially viable route to becoming PM and is pointing the way out of the morass that Starmer has got Labour into, in this neck of the woods the party on the ground is more united and with better morale than I've seen for a long while.
    The party maybe but the general public just see division and disunity
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    I knew about (James) Harold Wilson, but didn't know about (Maurice) Harold Macmillan.

    Politicians and actors not fans of the first name apparently.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,609
    The Labour left require only 80 MPs to put up one of their own, don't they ?

    How unlikely is that ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    Burgon might stand for Labour leader but would have zero chance of winning. Indeed his candidacy might help Burnham as he would be the middle ground candidate between Burgon from the Corbynite left and Streeting from the Blairite right while also offering a fresh face to Starmer if he also does not stand down and contest a leadership contest
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Brixian59 said:

    Benpointer said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Good evening

    Does politics get any more surreal ?

    Murrell pleads guilty to embezzling £400,000+ from the SNP whilst married to Sturgeon who happened to be First Minister, and had no knowledge of it pitching the SNP into internal divisions and recriminations

    Labour in civil war, with Burnham looking to oust Starmer and the left thinking Burgon may be the answer

    Reform and Restore at each other's throats and Farage under investigation over the £5 million gift or whatever

    The Greens unable to decide whether to fight Makerfield

    Indeed we seem to be left with the conservatives, lib dems, and plaid as the only parties without internal divisions

    "Labour in civil war"

    More than just a little bit of wishcasting on your part there Big_G.
    The Tories have given up.
    Half of them have given up. The question is whether the remainder can make a go of it and rebuild.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,207
    rottenborough said:

    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Burgon would struggle for 18 nominations let alone the required 81.

    There is no Momentum surge this time.

    No hijacking of the Party

    Hopefully no pillock suggesting the extreme left be allowed to break rules to get a nominee.

    There's no Momentum surge because they've all joined the Green Party.
    Only 90% of them in my experience.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum has agreed to allow Iran to be based in the country during the World Cup, claiming the United States were unwilling to host them.

    Sheinbaum said her government had been approached by Fifa after the US made it clear it did not want Iran's squad to stay in the country during the tournament.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,177
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Either crowned or receive a coronation, please. It's too hot for neologisms.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,177
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Labour members will overwhelmingly choose Burnham over Starmer hence why an election will be pointless.

    I disagree to an extent. Having an election where you get a very clear result can be a good thing. Gives validity.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    turbotubbs said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Labour members will overwhelmingly choose Burnham over Starmer hence why an election will be pointless.

    I disagree to an extent. Having an election where you get a very clear result can be a good thing. Gives validity.

    Yes, removes any question about just how popular he was going in, and also means should things go poorly the Members feel more of a connection with the Leader they chose. Doesn't save you from ousting, but useful.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,177
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Benpointer said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Coronated?

    He's got to be electionated first.
    He will be elected unopposed. It won’t even make it to the members. Starmer won’t stand against him.
    Small question of the by election first.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    edited May 25
    turbotubbs said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Either crowned or receive a coronation, please. It's too hot for neologisms.
    Neololgism is too positive a term for 'coronated', which is actually a back-formation malapropism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.

    They won't win but Restore could certainly take enough Reform votes to elect Burnham in a by election Reform would otherwise beat him
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,624
    edited May 25
    HYUFD said:

    Burgon might stand for Labour leader but would have zero chance of winning. Indeed his candidacy might help Burnham as he would be the middle ground candidate between Burgon from the Corbynite left and Streeting from the Blairite right while also offering a fresh face to Starmer if he also does not stand down and contest a leadership contest

    Your grasp of Labour politics is not as magnificent as your grasp of Tory politics. If the left were to put up a candidate against Burnham, which is highly unlikely, Burgon would be pretty much bottom of the list of contenders.
    Clive Lewis is possibly the only one who could get sufficient nominations, but I don't think he'd make it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't think Restore are going to do as well in the by-election as a lot of people seem to think.

    They won't win but Restore could certainly take enough Reform votes to elect Burnham in a by election Reform would otherwise beat him
    My money would be on Burnham winning more votes than Reform and Restore combined.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    Nigelb said:

    The Labour left require only 80 MPs to put up one of their own, don't they ?

    How unlikely is that ?

    They didn't have anywhere close to that number before 2017, so did they have enough selected and elected in 2017 and 2019? (Mandelson did selections in 2024, so unlikely to have put many lefty candidates in.)

    I would be surprised if there were 80 MPs willing to nominate a representative of the socialist campaign group. Even if there were 80 of them we already know that plenty are on the Burnham bandwagon - Clive Lewis for example.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    Northern_Al said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burgon might stand for Labour leader but would have zero chance of winning. Indeed his candidacy might help Burnham as he would be the middle ground candidate between Burgon from the Corbynite left and Streeting from the Blairite right while also offering a fresh face to Starmer if he also does not stand down and contest a leadership contest

    Your grasp of Labour politics is not as magnificent as your grasp of Tory politics. If the left were to put up a candidate against Burnham, which is highly unlikely, Burgon would be pretty much bottom of the list of contenders.
    Clive Lewis is possibly the only one who could get sufficient nominations, but I don't think he'd make it.
    Burgon is the only candidate from the left who has said he would stand though if Lewis also stood the same logic would apply in that Burnham could present himself as more centrist relative to them
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited May 25
    Benpointer said:

    turbotubbs said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Either crowned or receive a coronation, please. It's too hot for neologisms.
    Neololgism is too positive a term for 'coronated', which is actually a back-formation malapropism.
    We had this discussion a few weeks ago. I was in the anti-coronated camp (I think I kicked it off), but there were some who demurred. Rich vibrancy of the open source English language kind of thing.

    Coronated makes me think of Chicken. Either that famous chlorinated American stuff, or chicken smothered in that nice curry-mayonnaise coronation sauce.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,220
    turbotubbs said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Labour members will overwhelmingly choose Burnham over Starmer hence why an election will be pointless.

    I disagree to an extent. Having an election where you get a very clear result can be a good thing. Gives validity.

    I agree with Battery - Starmer will read the writing on the wall and bow out. He may do something mean-spirited on the way out like reduce the PM's salary or sell Chequers to reduce the national debt or something.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,676
    Brixian59 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Burgon would struggle for 18 nominations let alone the required 81.

    There is no Momentum surge this time.

    No hijacking of the Party

    Hopefully no pillock suggesting the extreme left be allowed to break rules to get a nominee.
    Yes it's eighty one or you're not on.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,983
    edited May 25
    rottenborough said:

    7:30pm. In the shade it is still 30 degrees in my garden.

    Wow.

    It is bonkers. This is almost as large a deviation from the "norm" as the 40C day.

    I think I'm going to have to migrate north and/or uphill eventually.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,884
    Benpointer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Ambassador you spoil us with you headlines."

    It’s been a while since I made John Rentoul’s QTWTAIN list.
    And now two in succession.

    Next up: Can Scotland win the World Cup? (Go on, I dare you.)
    Well of course we can. All that is required is for all the other teams to be banned by Trump but Scotland allowed under threat of compulsory purchase of Trumps golf courses there if we aren’t.

    Going to be a piece of cake.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,220
    edited May 25
    When I saw the plumber, not a family man, and also not terrible looking and with quite a plausible expression to him that probably makes female customers think 'I can tame him', it crossed my mind that he was probably a massive shagger and that it could be an issue. Let's hope comments about Carol Vorderman's southern hemisphere are as bad as it gets.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,220
    edited May 25
    So true I commented it twice.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Meanwhile the US commits hara- kiri under the watchful eye of the excellent Professor Sachs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwECmkB08Lo
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,884
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum has agreed to allow Iran to be based in the country during the World Cup, claiming the United States were unwilling to host them.

    Sheinbaum said her government had been approached by Fifa after the US made it clear it did not want Iran's squad to stay in the country during the tournament.

    See? It’s already started.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448
    The Left object to Burnham saying sensible things.

    If Burgon is on the ballot then my "Anyone but Burnham" philosophy will need a rethink.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 763
    So the camper van was listed as an "asset" in the accounts, valued at just over £80,000. It spent its final days in Dunfermline before being impounded.

    One wonders if Johnston Carmichael, the former auditors hired Zippy, George and Bungle for a spot of auditing during the period in question.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,220
    MelonB said:

    Benpointer said:

    turbotubbs said:

    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Burnham will be coronated as I’ve thought for some time. He’ll be PM by the summer.

    Either crowned or receive a coronation, please. It's too hot for neologisms.
    Neololgism is too positive a term for 'coronated', which is actually a back-formation malapropism.
    We had this discussion a few weeks ago. I was in the anti-coronated camp (I think I kicked it off), but there were some who demurred. Rich vibrancy of the open source English language kind of thing.

    Coronated makes me think of Chicken. Either that famous chlorinated American stuff, or chicken smothered in that nice curry-mayonnaise coronation sauce.
    It makes me think of getting a coronet instead of a crown.
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