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  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005
    DoctorG said:

    UK net migration needs to fall further, says Andy Burnham
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdp9zjdj0mo

    Must be time for the annual stories of "but who wil pick the strawberries".....

    Thats easy, robots or stop eating them
    Terminator 7 synopsis.

    Humanity under the yoke of the killer strawberry pickers.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    Andy_JS said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    The £1.43 pint (yes here in London!) is quite a thrill to experience. You feel you're beating the system, being the opposite of a mug. Either that or (equally powerful) a sensation of going back in time. It's perhaps this latter that Reform voters go there looking for.
    It's the MVP of pubs. Bit like Wizz Air - they don't pretend to give you other than a chair and get your Gdansk in a couple of hours.

    The reason that people go there, is low cost. Too many, the pub has moved out of the casual "lets have a drink, on the spur of the moment" thing - and become the "expensive, planned outing".
    I actually like Spoons. It's great to have a few (perfectly decent) pints and change from a tenner. My nearest one is a nice place too. There's nothing grotty about it.
    The City ones are getting more and more popular. The other places seem to be chasing madder and madder pricing.
    I like visiting the Crosse Keys whenever I'm near Bank station.
    If you like the cavernous interior, it's very good. What do you reckon the ceiling height is, in there?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    kjh said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good poll for Burnham.

    What do you consider to be Britain's second city?

    Manchester: 34% of Britons
    Birmingham: 30%
    Edinburgh: 12%
    Liverpool: 3%
    Glasgow: 3%
    Cardiff: 2%
    Leeds: 1%
    Newcastle: 1%
    Bristol: 1%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2057749703802909028

    70% are wrong. Obviously it's Birmingham.
    Nah.

    Birmingham's claim to be the second city is purely reliant on a quirk of history whereby more of the conurbation is within the boundaries of Birmingham City Council than is the case for Manchester and Manchester City Council.
    I grew up in the 1970s and Birmingham then was without question the second city. Undoubtedly there has been unprecedented decline. Earlier in the week I posted a (very biased against Attlee and Wilson) video which explained the Distribution of Industry Act 1945 and the post war plan to curb investment in full- employment Birmingham in favour of areas of industrial decline like the South Wales coalfields, Lowland Scotland , the North East, North West and South and West Yorkshire.

    As a Brummie I can cry in my beer that Birmingham is now an undoubted shite hole, but it remains Britain's second city.
    I went to Manchester Uni in the early 70s. Great Uni, especially for Maths, but the city was a dump. It has made huge progress since to become one of Britain's favourite cities.
    Purely based on City Boundaries Manchester is only the 8th biggest.

    It's the continual land grab of Greater Manchester that has driven the puerile argument.

    Salford is the classic example, it's akin the Birmingham adding on Wolverhampton.

    Birmingham is the second city
    Manchester is an area

    Just compare the number of Michelin Chefs.

    Once Birmingham has its new Sports Quarter within walking distance of the City Centre, it will make Manchester equivalent look dated and old.

    I must congratulate the small suburb town of Aston near Sandwell for winning the European equivalent of The Milk Cup, they forget that their big City neighbours qualified in 2011 by qualifying by getting relegated. I hope they enjoyed their first and last trophy for another 44 years.

    Got to be a UEFA investigation though, surely a team with 132 toes is always going to beat one with 121 toes.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520
    Brixian59 said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    Good poll for Burnham.

    What do you consider to be Britain's second city?

    Manchester: 34% of Britons
    Birmingham: 30%
    Edinburgh: 12%
    Liverpool: 3%
    Glasgow: 3%
    Cardiff: 2%
    Leeds: 1%
    Newcastle: 1%
    Bristol: 1%

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2057749703802909028

    70% are wrong. Obviously it's Birmingham.
    Nah.

    Birmingham's claim to be the second city is purely reliant on a quirk of history whereby more of the conurbation is within the boundaries of Birmingham City Council than is the case for Manchester and Manchester City Council.
    I grew up in the 1970s and Birmingham then was without question the second city. Undoubtedly there has been unprecedented decline. Earlier in the week I posted a (very biased against Attlee and Wilson) video which explained the Distribution of Industry Act 1945 and the post war plan to curb investment in full- employment Birmingham in favour of areas of industrial decline like the South Wales coalfields, Lowland Scotland , the North East, North West and South and West Yorkshire.

    As a Brummie I can cry in my beer that Birmingham is now an undoubted shite hole, but it remains Britain's second city.
    Birmingham's problem was that it had too many Tories...
    Birmingham was very much a city built by one nation Tories like the Chamberlain family. With hindsight the Distribution of Industry Act didn't work for Birmingham although I work on the premise that the idea was Birmingham was self sufficient and could look after itself. I don't think there is necessarily a partisan argument that either Labour or Conservatives killed Birmingham, but if you pushed me I would point out Thatcher's deregulation of the City in 1986 and the subsequent unfettered access for foreign companies to own UK assets didn't help.
    Birmingham was a mish mash

    The outstanding Quaker led Cadbury family a unique example.

    A visit to Bournville village and the museum a real eye opener.
    A brand history wrecked by the American corporate greed of Mondelez. Reducing the quality of the chocolate and transferring the production of several lines to Poland being merely the tip of the iceberg of betrayal of the Cadbury Quaker legacy. Fortunately in Northern Europe we have Fazer, still owned by the founding family in Finland and who -according to legend- still produce according to an original British and possibly even Cadbury recipe, and very delicious it is too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    Ex-MP Douglas Carswell continues to post controversial comments from his new home in the United States.

    "Douglas Carswell🇬🇧🇺🇸
    @DouglasCarswell

    Judge Nicholas Rowland needs dealing with. Until judges like him are removed from the bench, the state lacks legitimacy"

    https://x.com/DouglasCarswell/status/2057590915217100932
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scarpia said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There are some reports on Twitter that a charity may possibly have been campaigning for Andy Burnham, which apparently is illegal.

    It will be interesting if there are legal issues with it as the same organisation has been active in many election campaigns.
    Which charity?
    Hope not Hate.
    Well there you go. That's on-mission and intra-vires.
    The last thing we need is charities getting into political campaigning.

    That will turn into an ocean of soft money, American style, used to buy elections.

    £5 million bungs is bad enough. And that needs treading on. Otherwise, the next one will be £50 million and buy an election outright.
    Hope Not Hate though - they have to campaign against the Ghastlies. Special case.
    Really?

    “It’s ok. These people are good” is how it starts.

    Let that go through and the Peter Thiel funded “Rational Immigration” charity will be campaigning for Restore. On the reopening of Shark Island as a deportation camp for immigrants. With a £50 million budget.
    A charity can only campaign (in politics) against what is indisputably bad (like racism). Theil could try that but he'd be struck down imo.
    I've had chats with our local HnH bod. Their literature says they campaign against Reform and the Far Right. They know they can't endorse one party for election (and maybe Charity) law reasons, as well as possibly adding an election expense onto a candidate , merely referring voters to the various tactical voting websites. I think someone has worked out the many snags and steered a path through.

    Still if ReFuk objects it is up them to start a legal challenge - they should have enough crypto to afford it.
    Yes that's what I was thinking. Against *that* (and therefore them) not for Lab or Con or LD etc. It's another Reform whinge basically. They're always at it.
    The letter being shared on social media from Hope not Hate isn't that though. It explicitly says its a two horse race between Labour and Reform UK, only Andy Burnham for Labour can do this, that and the other "good" things, Reform will do all these "bad" things. Their "get out" I guess, is it doesn't say vote Andy Burnham, it says vote for positive change, don't vote for Reform, but the only positive change being described is Andy Burnham.

    If this is the line we are allowing to be trend, that is getting very close to American PAC type activity before the Citizen United case blew up in the face of those who brought it. The Citizen United cased did the opposite of what the people bringing it wanted, they already thought the sort of thing Hope Not Hate letter did was over the line, where in the US you could have similar organisations on the left and right say there is this big issue in this election, candidate A stands for it, yeahhhhhh, candidate B stands against it, boooooo, but never said "Vote Candidate A", but just to make clear Candidate B is really bad.
    HNH's mission statement is to combat the organised far right in all its forms, the policies that give succour to it, in the places most susceptible.

    Hence the letter. Ok, so Reform don't like it. That's understandable. But, you know, diddums. If it's illegal they know what to do. I doubt it is but of course I could be wrong. In any case it's hardly one step away from superPACs.

    Tbh I rarely see merit in 'slippery slope' arguments. In my experience it's often a technique employed to mask partisanship on the issue at hand.
    If that really is their mission statement it’s not clear to me that they should be a charity at all
    I don't think that is the mission statement of the Charitable Trust.
    Hope not Hate limited isn't a charity, so the entire thread has set off on a false premise.
    There is a linked charitable arm but that doesn't campaign
    Yes, that is correct. Hope Not Hate is a limited company (like Reform). The charity that had the same name changed its name to Hope Unlimited Charitable Trust.

    https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/regulator-closes-case-after-hope-not-hate-charity-changes-name.html

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,670
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    Not sure that's true.
    Not from others have been saying.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    HYUFD said:

    We had an amazing day trip to Delphi as we come to the end of our week in Athens. Fascinating to see the theatre, stadium, Temple of Apollo and where the prophetess announced her oracles. A key site in Greek mythology and allegedly established by Zeus of course

    Did the Oracle at Delphi give any hints on the next UK GE?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    rcs1000 said:

    Wait: do some people really think Restore has a 7% chance of most seats?

    That's insane.

    Some people is probably one person (with money and an agenda)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438

    DoctorG said:

    UK net migration needs to fall further, says Andy Burnham
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdp9zjdj0mo

    Must be time for the annual stories of "but who wil pick the strawberries".....

    Thats easy, robots or stop eating them
    Terminator 7 synopsis.

    Humanity under the yoke of the killer strawberry pickers.
    Joking aside, the robots are here.

    The ones for picking raspberries do a better job than humans.

    The biggest barrier to adoption is the near religious belief in some companies that cheap labour, not investment is the answer to everything.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,606
    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    I doubt the 9.00am drinkers vote.

    I hear one can buy a pint and a full English breakfast or a pint and a curry for mere pennies depending on the time of day.

    Sounds vile.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    Find Out Now

    Ref 26% (+1)
    Lab 17% (+2)
    Con 17% (-2)
    Grn 17% (-1)
    LD 13% (nc)
    Others 5% (nc)

    https://x.com/PolliticsUK/status/2057848868998373645
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    The Miami Herald has learned that Sarah Kellen, a longtime personal assistant to sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, testified yesterday that she was sexually assaulted by former Miami Beach mayor and former Fla (Democratic) gubernatorial candidate Philip Levine.
    https://x.com/jkbjournalist/status/2057848669987041480
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    I doubt the 9.00am drinkers vote.

    I hear one can buy a pint and a full English breakfast or a pint and a curry for mere pennies depending on the time of day.

    Sounds vile.
    It's quite nice actually.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scarpia said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There are some reports on Twitter that a charity may possibly have been campaigning for Andy Burnham, which apparently is illegal.

    It will be interesting if there are legal issues with it as the same organisation has been active in many election campaigns.
    Which charity?
    Hope not Hate.
    Well there you go. That's on-mission and intra-vires.
    The last thing we need is charities getting into political campaigning.

    That will turn into an ocean of soft money, American style, used to buy elections.

    £5 million bungs is bad enough. And that needs treading on. Otherwise, the next one will be £50 million and buy an election outright.
    Hope Not Hate though - they have to campaign against the Ghastlies. Special case.
    Really?

    “It’s ok. These people are good” is how it starts.

    Let that go through and the Peter Thiel funded “Rational Immigration” charity will be campaigning for Restore. On the reopening of Shark Island as a deportation camp for immigrants. With a £50 million budget.
    A charity can only campaign (in politics) against what is indisputably bad (like racism). Theil could try that but he'd be struck down imo.
    I've had chats with our local HnH bod. Their literature says they campaign against Reform and the Far Right. They know they can't endorse one party for election (and maybe Charity) law reasons, as well as possibly adding an election expense onto a candidate , merely referring voters to the various tactical voting websites. I think someone has worked out the many snags and steered a path through.

    Still if ReFuk objects it is up them to start a legal challenge - they should have enough crypto to afford it.
    I think they are organised as is common for charities with a subsidiary that *can* campaign. They have Hope not Hate Limited, which is a private company, and HOPE unlimited Charitable Trust.

    It's a similar pattern to how charities have commercial companies for their shops.
    Except completely different.
    I disagree. The comparison is setting up an organisation as allowed by law to meet desired objectives. I've long been critical of the tax advantages afforded charity shops, but that's the law, so I have to accept it.

    That they have just come out of a Charity Commission Compliance Enquiry suggests that it is OK under the law as it stands.

    The Spectator have been gnawing on this bone for several years, and have not laid much of a finger on them. HNH output is all based on research and data which is published, so if they are incompetent or under-lawyered there is plenty of opportunity to sue. I can understand by those who do not like them for political reasons get frustrated.
    Yes, perhaps I should go around calling other posters the c word and discussing things rhyming with booming bangs, but expect to remain un-banned because these actions are committed by my campaigning arm, Luckyguy1983 Ltd., which has absolutely nothing to do with me.
    Have you replied to the wrong comment?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    I doubt the 9.00am drinkers vote.

    I hear one can buy a pint and a full English breakfast or a pint and a curry for mere pennies depending on the time of day.

    Sounds vile.
    'Spoons is OK, if you stick to the basics. Keg beer and a cooked breakfast is hard to get very wrong, and it is great value.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Scarpia said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There are some reports on Twitter that a charity may possibly have been campaigning for Andy Burnham, which apparently is illegal.

    It will be interesting if there are legal issues with it as the same organisation has been active in many election campaigns.
    Which charity?
    Hope not Hate.
    Well there you go. That's on-mission and intra-vires.
    The last thing we need is charities getting into political campaigning.

    That will turn into an ocean of soft money, American style, used to buy elections.

    £5 million bungs is bad enough. And that needs treading on. Otherwise, the next one will be £50 million and buy an election outright.
    Hope Not Hate though - they have to campaign against the Ghastlies. Special case.
    Really?

    “It’s ok. These people are good” is how it starts.

    Let that go through and the Peter Thiel funded “Rational Immigration” charity will be campaigning for Restore. On the reopening of Shark Island as a deportation camp for immigrants. With a £50 million budget.
    A charity can only campaign (in politics) against what is indisputably bad (like racism). Theil could try that but he'd be struck down imo.
    I've had chats with our local HnH bod. Their literature says they campaign against Reform and the Far Right. They know they can't endorse one party for election (and maybe Charity) law reasons, as well as possibly adding an election expense onto a candidate , merely referring voters to the various tactical voting websites. I think someone has worked out the many snags and steered a path through.

    Still if ReFuk objects it is up them to start a legal challenge - they should have enough crypto to afford it.
    I think they are organised as is common for charities with a subsidiary that *can* campaign. They have Hope not Hate Limited, which is a private company, and HOPE unlimited Charitable Trust.

    It's a similar pattern to how charities have commercial companies for their shops.
    Except completely different.
    I disagree. The comparison is setting up an organisation as allowed by law to meet desired objectives. I've long been critical of the tax advantages afforded charity shops, but that's the law, so I have to accept it.

    That they have just come out of a Charity Commission Compliance Enquiry suggests that it is OK under the law as it stands.

    The Spectator have been gnawing on this bone for several years, and have not laid much of a finger on them. HNH output is all based on research and data which is published, so if they are incompetent or under-lawyered there is plenty of opportunity to sue. I can understand by those who do not like them for political reasons get frustrated.
    Yes, perhaps I should go around calling other posters the c word and discussing things rhyming with booming bangs, but expect to remain un-banned because these actions are committed by my campaigning arm, Luckyguy1983 Ltd., which has absolutely nothing to do with me.
    Have you replied to the wrong comment?
    Maybe he just self identifies as a charity ?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scarpia said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There are some reports on Twitter that a charity may possibly have been campaigning for Andy Burnham, which apparently is illegal.

    It will be interesting if there are legal issues with it as the same organisation has been active in many election campaigns.
    Which charity?
    Hope not Hate.
    Well there you go. That's on-mission and intra-vires.
    The last thing we need is charities getting into political campaigning.

    That will turn into an ocean of soft money, American style, used to buy elections.

    £5 million bungs is bad enough. And that needs treading on. Otherwise, the next one will be £50 million and buy an election outright.
    Hope Not Hate though - they have to campaign against the Ghastlies. Special case.
    Really?

    “It’s ok. These people are good” is how it starts.

    Let that go through and the Peter Thiel funded “Rational Immigration” charity will be campaigning for Restore. On the reopening of Shark Island as a deportation camp for immigrants. With a £50 million budget.
    A charity can only campaign (in politics) against what is indisputably bad (like racism). Theil could try that but he'd be struck down imo.
    I've had chats with our local HnH bod. Their literature says they campaign against Reform and the Far Right. They know they can't endorse one party for election (and maybe Charity) law reasons, as well as possibly adding an election expense onto a candidate , merely referring voters to the various tactical voting websites. I think someone has worked out the many snags and steered a path through.

    Still if ReFuk objects it is up them to start a legal challenge - they should have enough crypto to afford it.
    Yes that's what I was thinking. Against *that* (and therefore them) not for Lab or Con or LD etc. It's another Reform whinge basically. They're always at it.
    The letter being shared on social media from Hope not Hate isn't that though. It explicitly says its a two horse race between Labour and Reform UK, only Andy Burnham for Labour can do this, that and the other "good" things, Reform will do all these "bad" things. Their "get out" I guess, is it doesn't say vote Andy Burnham, it says vote for positive change, don't vote for Reform, but the only positive change being described is Andy Burnham.

    If this is the line we are allowing to be trend, that is getting very close to American PAC type activity before the Citizen United case blew up in the face of those who brought it. The Citizen United cased did the opposite of what the people bringing it wanted, they already thought the sort of thing Hope Not Hate letter did was over the line, where in the US you could have similar organisations on the left and right say there is this big issue in this election, candidate A stands for it, yeahhhhhh, candidate B stands against it, boooooo, but never said "Vote Candidate A", but just to make clear Candidate B is really bad.
    HNH's mission statement is to combat the organised far right in all its forms, the policies that give succour to it, in the places most susceptible.

    Hence the letter. Ok, so Reform don't like it. That's understandable. But, you know, diddums. If it's illegal they know what to do. I doubt it is but of course I could be wrong. In any case it's hardly one step away from superPACs.

    Tbh I rarely see merit in 'slippery slope' arguments. In my experience it's often a technique employed to mask partisanship on the issue at hand.
    If that really is their mission statement it’s not clear to me that they should be a charity at all
    Looks like a good cause to me. Certainly beats Eton College on the 'benefiting society' front. Anyway they are, so it's presumably passed the test.

    But opinion noted. I'll put you down for zero pounds.
    A good cause doesn’t equal a charity.

    And Eton does a huge amount outside of the school that it is best known for
    I guess 'good' can be subjective other than with slam dunk things like Battersea cats and dogs.

    Anycase, regardless of our (unaligned) views both Eton and HNH are charities. They both pass whatever our test is.

    On income from donations, you'll be pleased to hear, Eton wins by a factor of ten.
    well, since it has been running since 1440, and Battersea Dogs Home only in 1860, they have had a lot longer to collect donations... the miracle of compound interest will do alot.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    We had an amazing day trip to Delphi as we come to the end of our week in Athens. Fascinating to see the theatre, stadium, Temple of Apollo and where the prophetess announced her oracles. A key site in Greek mythology and allegedly established by Zeus of course

    Did the Oracle at Delphi give any hints on the next UK GE?
    "Reply hazy, try again"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    I doubt the 9.00am drinkers vote.

    I hear one can buy a pint and a full English breakfast or a pint and a curry for mere pennies depending on the time of day.

    Sounds vile.
    'Spoons is OK, if you stick to the basics. Keg beer and a cooked breakfast is hard to get very wrong, and it is great value.
    The food is ok and the same (or better) than many “posh pubs”. Who do the same kind of food, with often worse quality.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    Bridport by-election, Dorset, just counted:

    LibDem 2190
    Reform 1164
    Green 1011
    Tory 656

    LD hold


  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    I doubt the 9.00am drinkers vote.

    I hear one can buy a pint and a full English breakfast or a pint and a curry for mere pennies depending on the time of day.

    Sounds vile.
    It's quite nice actually.
    Wetherspoons are a net plus for the nation. Some great buildings in use, reliable food and drink. Especially if you're on the move and in a bit of a hurry you know you'll be fine at a Wetherspoons.

    Shame the owner is a prick, and he behaved badly over something during Covid I hazily recall, but nobody's perfect.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    IanB2 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Wait: do some people really think Restore has a 7% chance of most seats?

    That's insane.

    Some people is probably one person (with money and an agenda)
    I think it could be a relatively numerous group of terminally online far-right supporters. The sort of people who buy meme stocks and coins could easily be attracted to the idea of betting on Restore to win most seats on betfair.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    We had an amazing day trip to Delphi as we come to the end of our week in Athens. Fascinating to see the theatre, stadium, Temple of Apollo and where the prophetess announced her oracles. A key site in Greek mythology and allegedly established by Zeus of course

    Did the Oracle at Delphi give any hints on the next UK GE?
    Andy, God of the North faces a challenging battle with Nigel, God of Beer and Brexit with Kemi, God of Aggression coming up strong and Zack, God of the Spaced Out starting to fade. Ed, God of Comedians and Silly Stunts has to be careful to avoid a fall
    Remember that decade when the government relocated to Mount Olympus whilst Parliament was being refurbished?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,066
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    We had an amazing day trip to Delphi as we come to the end of our week in Athens. Fascinating to see the theatre, stadium, Temple of Apollo and where the prophetess announced her oracles. A key site in Greek mythology and allegedly established by Zeus of course

    Did the Oracle at Delphi give any hints on the next UK GE?
    Andy, God of the North faces a challenging battle with Nigel, God of Beer and Brexit with Kemi, God of Aggression coming up strong and Zack, God of the Spaced Out starting to fade. Ed, God of Comedians and Silly Stunts has to be careful to avoid a fall
    Young @Leon_VotedForStarmer here talks about his strong feelings of noom as he surveys the world. It's more doom for me. Particularly the rise of Burnham feels badly wrong. It nags at some deep caveman like feeling. Run away it says, and run fast.

    Let's hope I'm wrong.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    We had an amazing day trip to Delphi as we come to the end of our week in Athens. Fascinating to see the theatre, stadium, Temple of Apollo and where the prophetess announced her oracles. A key site in Greek mythology and allegedly established by Zeus of course

    Did the Oracle at Delphi give any hints on the next UK GE?
    Andy, God of the North faces a challenging battle with Nigel, God of Beer and Brexit with Kemi, God of Aggression coming up strong and Zack, God of the Spaced Out starting to fade. Ed, God of Comedians and Silly Stunts has to be careful to avoid a fall
    Unusually straight for Delphi, usually you get something a bit more cryptic!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419
    Nigelb said:

    The Miami Herald has learned that Sarah Kellen, a longtime personal assistant to sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, testified yesterday that she was sexually assaulted by former Miami Beach mayor and former Fla (Democratic) gubernatorial candidate Philip Levine.
    https://x.com/jkbjournalist/status/2057848669987041480

    Is she a reliable witness?
    Does whiff of her potential complicity in Epstein's crimes being overlooked in return for a favour.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    We had an amazing day trip to Delphi as we come to the end of our week in Athens. Fascinating to see the theatre, stadium, Temple of Apollo and where the prophetess announced her oracles. A key site in Greek mythology and allegedly established by Zeus of course

    Did the Oracle at Delphi give any hints on the next UK GE?
    Andy, God of the North faces a challenging battle with Nigel, God of Beer and Brexit with Kemi, God of Aggression coming up strong and Zack, God of the Spaced Out starting to fade. Ed, God of Comedians and Silly Stunts has to be careful to avoid a fall
    Unusually straight for Delphi, usually you get something a bit more cryptic!
    Tories as stagnant as week old tea in the polls despite their wonderful performances in Local and Devolved Elections... Not
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    I've never been to Greece, maybe I should go some time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    It looks like by the end of the weekend those of you in London and the South could have higher temperatures than here in northern Italy?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604
    RobD said:

    Dozens of staff members at the University of Nottingham have taken to the picket line ahead of a 61-day strike over drastic cuts to the workforce. The initial day of industrial action on Friday (May 22) comes before University and College Union members are proposing to strike for 61 days from Monday, June 1, to Friday, July 31.

    The strike action was called by the union as the university plans to cut more than 700 jobs and shut down more than 40 degree courses, including modern languages and music.

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/the-impact-huge-staff-prepare-10979170

    What’s their alternative plan to pay the bills?
    They plan to slash the department that gave the world MRI scanners.

    Madness for UK plc.
    Been hearing rumours all week. Chemistry looking to cut academic staff by 30%! There is only so much recruiting overseas students over home can do. One thing I had heard was that the Uni had acquired an expensive extra bit of campus that isn't paying its way. How true that is I have no idea.
    I've heard the same. Poor investment decisions in a new/refurbished campus.
    Don’t worry. Incompetence is rife in the private sector too. Wife’s company sold 4 years ago for £1.3 bn has been resold for £0.7 bn. Fundamentals didn’t change just the PE bubble.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    And another by-election result in:

    Alfrick, Leigh & Rushwick (Malvern Hills):

    LibDem: 25.8% (+10.6)
    CON: 22.3% (+3.2)
    RFM: 19.4% (New)
    Ind: 16.9% (New)
    GRN: 10.8% (New)
    Ind: 4.7% (New)

    No Ind (-65.6) as previous.

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Localist Independent.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    IanB2 said:

    It looks like by the end of the weekend those of you in London and the South could have higher temperatures than here in northern Italy?

    I'm going to be in London for three nights from tomorrow and fortunately the forecast for overnight temperatures has been dialled down a bit.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,653

    Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/22/britain-only-has-enough-drones-for-one-week-of-war/

    On this thinking, the British army is between 80 and 90% short of the drones it thinks it needs – for reconnaissance, air defence or attack.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/22/drone-shortage-london-underground-nato-british-military

    I think we need to get making.

    The British army is fully with fancy dress outfits for prancing around at Horse Guards for three upcoming Saturdays.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,213
    Yay, Tulsi Gabbard has quit - sad reasons announced for it as her husband has bone cancer but still, good for the world she has gone.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630

    Taz said:

    Cyclefree said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Driver said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There are some reports on Twitter that a charity may possibly have been campaigning for Andy Burnham, which apparently is illegal.

    It will be interesting if there are legal issues with it as the same organisation has been active in many election campaigns.
    Which charity?
    Hope not Hate.
    Well there you go. That's on-mission and intra-vires.
    The last thing we need is charities getting into political campaigning.

    That will turn into an ocean of soft money, American style, used to buy elections.

    £5 million bungs is bad enough. And that needs treading on. Otherwise, the next one will be £50 million and buy an election outright.
    Hope Not Hate though - they have to campaign against the Ghastlies. Special case.
    Malmesbury is right. Be careful what you wish for.
    I know what I'm wishing for - a brake on Reform's progress before things get out of hand. That said, I can see the point. HNH campaigning for LAB feels wrong to me (whether legal or not). Campaigning *against* REF otoh - that feels ok. More than ok really.
    HNH would be a lot more credible if they campaigned against hate on both ends of the horseshoe.
    Its often the way with these things. I have been involved in Athena Swann for many years. If you don't know it started out looking at barriers to female success in academia, aiming at things like a culture of working long hours (not conducive to childcare), and many other things (women taking career breaks to look after/raise offspring). Its morphed into a wider look at work culture but all too often its still just about women. I asked a question once about the gender imbalance on the pharmacy course (it heavily skews female) and whether we should be worried or look into the reasons.

    Fell on rather stony ground.
    Ok but I don't think there's an obligation for campaigning groups to widen their activities beyond what they want to concentrate on.
    No, but its the hypocrisy that amuses more, me than anything else.
    I don't know about that.

    Say I form an org to fight antisemitism. Our mission is to detect, call out and condemn it wherever it rears its head. So we do that with laser focus and we don't comment on any other types of racism.

    Is that hypocritical of us? I don't think so.
    No. The aim and focus is clearly stated.

    But when you state that you are against hate and racism but ignore hate and racism directed at Jews then, yes, people are entitled to call out your hypocrisy and one-eyed approach to your mission.
    It says on their website, “At HOPE not hate, our mission is to work tirelessly to expose and oppose far-right extremism.” They report on anti-Semitism by far right extremists
    But not, presumably, by Green party members chanting "From the River to the Sea"?
    Green Party members are not, usually, far right extremists. HNH have their mission, they carry out their mission. It’s like complaining that the RSPB does nothing for squirrels.
    No they’re far left Jew haters now they’ve onboarded lots of the old Labour left.

    Oddly enough HNH are less vocal on that.

    Excusing HNH simply because you approve of their political target is one take I guess
    I am not excusing HNH. What I’m saying is that if you want to support squirrels, don’t give money to the RSPB.
    Do you get Squirrels on Millionaires Row ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 290

    nico67 said:

    There was talk earlier about Spoons.....

    JD Wetherspoon is set to open its first ever pub in London’s Theatreland district, with a new West End mega-boozer taking over part of what was once the Trocadero.

    The pub will be known as Piccadilly Hall, named in tribute to the original Piccadilly/Pikadilly Hall – the 17th century mansion that gave its name to Piccadilly Circus. It will open at 30 Shaftesbury Avenue – most recently home to the now-shuttered Coyote Ugly bar.

    https://www.timeout.com/london/news/londons-iconic-trocadero-is-being-turned-into-one-of-the-citys-biggest-wetherspoons-pubs-052126

    Spoons has an interesting USP. Their margins are low so they rely on volume sales, oh and dole boys getting pissed at 9 am.
    I wouldn’t go into a Wetherspoons if you paid me ! Full of Reform voters !
    I doubt the 9.00am drinkers vote.

    I hear one can buy a pint and a full English breakfast or a pint and a curry for mere pennies depending on the time of day.

    Sounds vile.
    I've visited something like 841 different Spoons over the past 30 years or so.

    The (cask) beer varies quite a lot between pubs and indeed regions - it's much better in areas where they have supply agreements at a local level with good breweries, in addition to the nationwide beer list.

    I wouldn't eat most Wetherfood because it really is pretty vile these days. However the breakfasts and curries are among the 'least bad' options. And undeniably good value.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 290
    Andy_JS said:

    I've never been to Greece, maybe I should go some time.

    The optimal 'some time' being the early 1990s,. obviously.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,400

    Dozens of staff members at the University of Nottingham have taken to the picket line ahead of a 61-day strike over drastic cuts to the workforce. The initial day of industrial action on Friday (May 22) comes before University and College Union members are proposing to strike for 61 days from Monday, June 1, to Friday, July 31.

    The strike action was called by the union as the university plans to cut more than 700 jobs and shut down more than 40 degree courses, including modern languages and music.

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/the-impact-huge-staff-prepare-10979170

    What’s their alternative plan to pay the bills?
    They plan to slash the department that gave the world MRI scanners.

    Madness for UK plc.
    Been hearing rumours all week. Chemistry looking to cut academic staff by 30%! There is only so much recruiting overseas students over home can do. One thing I had heard was that the Uni had acquired an expensive extra bit of campus that isn't paying its way. How true that is I have no idea.
    I've heard that its ridiculously easy to get offered a place to study chemistry at a lower ranked uni. Like most students on the course got a C or less at A level. They're failing but the uni waves them through for the money.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    Back in the day a Spoons breakfast and a couple of pints was a pretty good way of preparing for the train journey out of Aberystwyth.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,207
    kinabalu said:

    Battlebus said:

    RobD said:

    Dozens of staff members at the University of Nottingham have taken to the picket line ahead of a 61-day strike over drastic cuts to the workforce. The initial day of industrial action on Friday (May 22) comes before University and College Union members are proposing to strike for 61 days from Monday, June 1, to Friday, July 31.

    The strike action was called by the union as the university plans to cut more than 700 jobs and shut down more than 40 degree courses, including modern languages and music.

    https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/the-impact-huge-staff-prepare-10979170

    What’s their alternative plan to pay the bills?
    They plan to slash the department that gave the world MRI scanners.

    Madness for UK plc.
    Been hearing rumours all week. Chemistry looking to cut academic staff by 30%! There is only so much recruiting overseas students over home can do. One thing I had heard was that the Uni had acquired an expensive extra bit of campus that isn't paying its way. How true that is I have no idea.
    I've heard the same. Poor investment decisions in a new/refurbished campus.
    Don’t worry. Incompetence is rife in the private sector too. Wife’s company sold 4 years ago for £1.3 bn has been resold for £0.7 bn. Fundamentals didn’t change just the PE bubble.
    £1.3 bn! - she sounds like a keeper.
    Rishi has doxxed himself.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520
    HYUFD said:

    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo

    Having embarrassed his firm so badly, there must surely be questions about whether he himself might be "transitioned", possibly by means of a P45
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,207
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    France for a friend's wedding. I've never done proper tourism. Abroad's all on YouTube now anyway.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    IanB2 said:

    And another by-election result in:

    Alfrick, Leigh & Rushwick (Malvern Hills):

    LibDem: 25.8% (+10.6)
    CON: 22.3% (+3.2)
    RFM: 19.4% (New)
    Ind: 16.9% (New)
    GRN: 10.8% (New)
    Ind: 4.7% (New)

    No Ind (-65.6) as previous.

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Localist Independent.

    Beautiful area
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005
    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo

    Having embarrassed his firm so badly, there must surely be questions about whether he himself might be "transitioned", possibly by means of a P45
    If they need someone to spout shite there's a chatbot for that
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    Andy_JS said:

    Find Out Now

    Ref 26% (+1)
    Lab 17% (+2)
    Con 17% (-2)
    Grn 17% (-1)
    LD 13% (nc)
    Others 5% (nc)

    https://x.com/PolliticsUK/status/2057848868998373645

    Even FON has to reflect rising Labour and rapidly fading Tories...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo

    Having embarrassed his firm so badly, there must surely be questions about whether he himself might be "transitioned", possibly by means of a P45
    If they need someone to spout shite there's a chatbot for that
    I shouldn't worry about him.

    He will shortly step down. Then in a few months find a new job with a golden hello.

    To go with his golden goodbye from Standard.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Ship to Oslo then to Bergen via train visiting the Fjords on our honeymoon in May 1964
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Not counting home nations it was Allez Les Bleus, France.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,817

    DoctorG said:

    UK net migration needs to fall further, says Andy Burnham
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdp9zjdj0mo

    Must be time for the annual stories of "but who wil pick the strawberries".....

    Thats easy, robots or stop eating them
    Terminator 7 synopsis.

    Humanity under the yoke of the killer strawberry pickers.
    Joking aside, the robots are here.

    The ones for picking raspberries do a better job than humans.

    The biggest barrier to adoption is the near religious belief in some companies that cheap labour, not investment is the answer to everything.
    The other problem, presumably, being that the machines only get used for a few days a year for each fruit farm. There's probably really good money to be made with a leasing business.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo

    Having embarrassed his firm so badly, there must surely be questions about whether he himself might be "transitioned", possibly by means of a P45
    If they need someone to spout shite there's a chatbot for that
    I shouldn't worry about him.

    He will shortly step down. Then in a few months find a new job with a golden hello.

    To go with his golden goodbye from Standard.
    I'm sure he'll be fine, he's clearly higher value human capital.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    Nigelb said:

    I expect Burnham to walk it in Makerfield. Especially considering who Reform have chosen as their candidate. If he wins then its a coronation and politics changes. Labour winning is perfectly possible.

    If he loses? Well then it gets very funny very quickly. If Labour can't win in the red wall with Burnham then they can't win there at all. It would take endless Kirklees council shenanigans to get the voters up to speed with why vote for these useless wankers to stop Reform winning the election.

    Burnham will be helped by the Greens shooting themselves in the foot with their candidate selection.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/22/green-party-candidate-makerfield-byelection-chris-kennedy-quits
    Surprised it doesn't happen more often. Still no looking at social media history for candidates I see.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    boulay said:

    Yay, Tulsi Gabbard has quit - sad reasons announced for it as her husband has bone cancer but still, good for the world she has gone.

    I'm not quite that sure.

    One controlling factor on the damage done by banana republic regimes is incompetence.

    What happens if they appoint someone who can do the job, rather than prance around like a TikTok Influencer shouting "look at me"?
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,538
    HYUFD said:

    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo

    There should be a comma between "value" and "human" which slightly changes the meaning.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    MattW said:

    boulay said:

    Yay, Tulsi Gabbard has quit - sad reasons announced for it as her husband has bone cancer but still, good for the world she has gone.

    I'm not quite that sure.

    One controlling factor on the damage done by banana republic regimes is incompetence.

    What happens if they appoint someone who can do the job, rather than prance around like a TikTok Influencer shouting "look at me"?
    Things can always get worse, so wariness at any change is appropriate, but sometimes more positive outcomes happen as well. Sometimes.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,538
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    A school exchange trip to Germany in the 1970s, though obviously would have travelled through France and Belgium to get there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    HYUFD said:

    CEO of Standard Chartered forced to apologise after saying his company aimed to replace ‘lower value human capital’ with AI earlier this week. He says the bank will try and help those workers transition to higher value roles

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98rqld1j3yo

    Apologising in these situations is just insulting and they shouldn't bother - it's just saying the quiet part out loud, no one is fooled by an apology and it is not as though they are going to suddenly change their goals here.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    Heh. Fun in the Sun. GB News are trying to kill their audience with heart attacks.

    GBNews have picked up the travel scheme I mentioned on Wednesday (?) in Oxfordshire, "Quiet Lanes", which turns small duplicate country lanes where an alternative exists, into routes for non-motorised modes and access, with modal filters and 20mph speed limits.

    But they haven't told them that there are only 10 lanes on the pilot, and that this should take cyclists and walkers off the main route by creating the alternative mode networks we should have had in place 50 years ago.

    So they are gubbing away about insurance, road tax, "roads were made for vehicles" (no, they weren't), and all the rest, in the comments.

    https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/cars/oxfordshire-drivers-roads-quiet-lanes-plan-cycling-walking
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,438
    rcs1000 said:

    DoctorG said:

    UK net migration needs to fall further, says Andy Burnham
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdp9zjdj0mo

    Must be time for the annual stories of "but who wil pick the strawberries".....

    Thats easy, robots or stop eating them
    Terminator 7 synopsis.

    Humanity under the yoke of the killer strawberry pickers.
    Joking aside, the robots are here.

    The ones for picking raspberries do a better job than humans.

    The biggest barrier to adoption is the near religious belief in some companies that cheap labour, not investment is the answer to everything.
    The other problem, presumably, being that the machines only get used for a few days a year for each fruit farm. There's probably really good money to be made with a leasing business.
    It's the same economics as any other harvest mechanisation. Sometimes buy, sometimes rent.

    Plus lots of such fruit is grown in greenhouses, to extend the season.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,546
    edited May 22
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Spain in 1968, family package holiday. Also the first time my parents went abroad. We flew and my abiding memory is my ears hurting so much with the pressure change that I cried.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040

    Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/22/britain-only-has-enough-drones-for-one-week-of-war/

    On this thinking, the British army is between 80 and 90% short of the drones it thinks it needs – for reconnaissance, air defence or attack.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/22/drone-shortage-london-underground-nato-british-military

    I think we need to get making.

    The British army is fully with fancy dress outfits for prancing around at Horse Guards for three upcoming Saturdays.
    A bearskin hat cost £2000. An Octopus interceptor drone, made in the UK, costs £2000.
  • Just had Late Spring Drinks with an old mate, a mildly famous photographer

    He's back this week from ten days in Belarus. He reports a lot of hostility to the West, NATO, all of us. Especially the Poles. There are posters denouncing Polish depravity, Pride marches, &c

    Says the sentiment seems honest and widespread, but who knows in a dictatorship

    They are being prepped for war, with NATO
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,066
    MattW said:

    Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/22/britain-only-has-enough-drones-for-one-week-of-war/

    On this thinking, the British army is between 80 and 90% short of the drones it thinks it needs – for reconnaissance, air defence or attack.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/22/drone-shortage-london-underground-nato-british-military

    I think we need to get making.

    The British army is fully with fancy dress outfits for prancing around at Horse Guards for three upcoming Saturdays.
    A bearskin hat cost £2000. An Octopus interceptor drone, made in the UK, costs £2000.
    A new suit adds something beyond its cost. I imagine a bearskin hat does the same.

    These troops get to be a bit dramatic, but they'll fight better for it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630

    Good evening

    Burnham has turned on the following this week

    Accepts immigration has to fall and endorses Mahmood 's policies as does Kemi

    Confirms he will stick to the fiscal rules

    Accepts single space ruling

    No PR this Parliament


    When you want the top job reality crosses your path and it is either pragmatic or I have principles but I can change them

    I have watched Burnham operate in Manchester and he gets things done by being collegiate and working across politics and business

    If he wins and carries this into government, we may well see difficult policies like the triple lock and paying for care discused and agreed across the parties for the better good

    If might well be just a hope, but if one person could do it it would be Burnham

    He’s still wanting to give the WASPI leeches £10 Billion though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    Taz said:

    Good evening

    Burnham has turned on the following this week

    Accepts immigration has to fall and endorses Mahmood 's policies as does Kemi

    Confirms he will stick to the fiscal rules

    Accepts single space ruling

    No PR this Parliament


    When you want the top job reality crosses your path and it is either pragmatic or I have principles but I can change them

    I have watched Burnham operate in Manchester and he gets things done by being collegiate and working across politics and business

    If he wins and carries this into government, we may well see difficult policies like the triple lock and paying for care discused and agreed across the parties for the better good

    If might well be just a hope, but if one person could do it it would be Burnham

    He’s still wanting to give the WASPI leeches £10 Billion though.
    Hopefully when he is actually running the country he will be persuaded, as the current government has been (on and off) that it is simply unaffordable. Without needing to get into that it is bloody ridiculous.
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Scarpia said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There are some reports on Twitter that a charity may possibly have been campaigning for Andy Burnham, which apparently is illegal.

    It will be interesting if there are legal issues with it as the same organisation has been active in many election campaigns.
    Which charity?
    Hope not Hate.
    Well there you go. That's on-mission and intra-vires.
    The last thing we need is charities getting into political campaigning.

    That will turn into an ocean of soft money, American style, used to buy elections.

    £5 million bungs is bad enough. And that needs treading on. Otherwise, the next one will be £50 million and buy an election outright.
    Hope Not Hate though - they have to campaign against the Ghastlies. Special case.
    Really?

    “It’s ok. These people are good” is how it starts.

    Let that go through and the Peter Thiel funded “Rational Immigration” charity will be campaigning for Restore. On the reopening of Shark Island as a deportation camp for immigrants. With a £50 million budget.
    A charity can only campaign (in politics) against what is indisputably bad (like racism). Theil could try that but he'd be struck down imo.
    I've had chats with our local HnH bod. Their literature says they campaign against Reform and the Far Right. They know they can't endorse one party for election (and maybe Charity) law reasons, as well as possibly adding an election expense onto a candidate , merely referring voters to the various tactical voting websites. I think someone has worked out the many snags and steered a path through.

    Still if ReFuk objects it is up them to start a legal challenge - they should have enough crypto to afford it.
    Yes that's what I was thinking. Against *that* (and therefore them) not for Lab or Con or LD etc. It's another Reform whinge basically. They're always at it.
    The letter being shared on social media from Hope not Hate isn't that though. It explicitly says its a two horse race between Labour and Reform UK, only Andy Burnham for Labour can do this, that and the other "good" things, Reform will do all these "bad" things. Their "get out" I guess, is it doesn't say vote Andy Burnham, it says vote for positive change, don't vote for Reform, but the only positive change being described is Andy Burnham.

    If this is the line we are allowing to be trend, that is getting very close to American PAC type activity before the Citizen United case blew up in the face of those who brought it. The Citizen United cased did the opposite of what the people bringing it wanted, they already thought the sort of thing Hope Not Hate letter did was over the line, where in the US you could have similar organisations on the left and right say there is this big issue in this election, candidate A stands for it, yeahhhhhh, candidate B stands against it, boooooo, but never said "Vote Candidate A", but just to make clear Candidate B is really bad.
    HNH's mission statement is to combat the organised far right in all its forms, the policies that give succour to it, in the places most susceptible.

    Hence the letter. Ok, so Reform don't like it. That's understandable. But, you know, diddums. If it's illegal they know what to do. I doubt it is but of course I could be wrong. In any case it's hardly one step away from superPACs.

    Tbh I rarely see merit in 'slippery slope' arguments. In my experience it's often a technique employed to mask partisanship on the issue at hand.
    When Reform reach power they must prohibit quasi-political "charities" like HNH and fiercely prosecute anyone involved with them
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    Taz said:

    Good evening

    Burnham has turned on the following this week

    Accepts immigration has to fall and endorses Mahmood 's policies as does Kemi

    Confirms he will stick to the fiscal rules

    Accepts single space ruling

    No PR this Parliament


    When you want the top job reality crosses your path and it is either pragmatic or I have principles but I can change them

    I have watched Burnham operate in Manchester and he gets things done by being collegiate and working across politics and business

    If he wins and carries this into government, we may well see difficult policies like the triple lock and paying for care discused and agreed across the parties for the better good

    If might well be just a hope, but if one person could do it it would be Burnham

    He’s still wanting to give the WASPI leeches £10 Billion though.
    I very much doubt that will happen
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605

    Just had Late Spring Drinks with an old mate, a mildly famous photographer

    He's back this week from ten days in Belarus. He reports a lot of hostility to the West, NATO, all of us. Especially the Poles. There are posters denouncing Polish depravity, Pride marches, &c

    Says the sentiment seems honest and widespread, but who knows in a dictatorship

    They are being prepped for war, with NATO

    I cannot imagine the Belarussian authorities are particularly keen to be used as a human shield and distraction by Russia, even if they are by necessity tied at the hip.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    Omnium said:

    MattW said:

    Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/22/britain-only-has-enough-drones-for-one-week-of-war/

    On this thinking, the British army is between 80 and 90% short of the drones it thinks it needs – for reconnaissance, air defence or attack.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/22/drone-shortage-london-underground-nato-british-military

    I think we need to get making.

    The British army is fully with fancy dress outfits for prancing around at Horse Guards for three upcoming Saturdays.
    A bearskin hat cost £2000. An Octopus interceptor drone, made in the UK, costs £2000.
    A new suit adds something beyond its cost. I imagine a bearskin hat does the same.

    These troops get to be a bit dramatic, but they'll fight better for it.
    They get to shout at American Tourists taking photographs.

    Or so Youtube says.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    Just had Late Spring Drinks with an old mate, a mildly famous photographer

    He's back this week from ten days in Belarus. He reports a lot of hostility to the West, NATO, all of us. Especially the Poles. There are posters denouncing Polish depravity, Pride marches, &c

    Says the sentiment seems honest and widespread, but who knows in a dictatorship

    They are being prepped for war, with NATO

    Oh dear, I will need to cancel my holidays to Gomel. Their loss

    Do they still have that bald Putin puppet in charge or has his son taken over
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    MattW said:

    Omnium said:

    MattW said:

    Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/22/britain-only-has-enough-drones-for-one-week-of-war/

    On this thinking, the British army is between 80 and 90% short of the drones it thinks it needs – for reconnaissance, air defence or attack.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/22/drone-shortage-london-underground-nato-british-military

    I think we need to get making.

    The British army is fully with fancy dress outfits for prancing around at Horse Guards for three upcoming Saturdays.
    A bearskin hat cost £2000. An Octopus interceptor drone, made in the UK, costs £2000.
    A new suit adds something beyond its cost. I imagine a bearskin hat does the same.

    These troops get to be a bit dramatic, but they'll fight better for it.
    They get to shout at American Tourists taking photographs.

    Or so Youtube says.
    You can always trust Youtube. It showed me a post from an american channel saying the GOP and Dems are both liberals, with the GOP centre left and the Dems far left, and I am sure that is totally right.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Good evening

    Burnham has turned on the following this week

    Accepts immigration has to fall and endorses Mahmood 's policies as does Kemi

    Confirms he will stick to the fiscal rules

    Accepts single space ruling

    No PR this Parliament


    When you want the top job reality crosses your path and it is either pragmatic or I have principles but I can change them

    I have watched Burnham operate in Manchester and he gets things done by being collegiate and working across politics and business

    If he wins and carries this into government, we may well see difficult policies like the triple lock and paying for care discused and agreed across the parties for the better good

    If might well be just a hope, but if one person could do it it would be Burnham

    He’s still wanting to give the WASPI leeches £10 Billion though.
    Hopefully when he is actually running the country he will be persuaded, as the current government has been (on and off) that it is simply unaffordable. Without needing to get into that it is bloody ridiculous.
    Politicians should not have indulged these people and made them out to be victims when they are anything but.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    DoctorG said:

    Just had Late Spring Drinks with an old mate, a mildly famous photographer

    He's back this week from ten days in Belarus. He reports a lot of hostility to the West, NATO, all of us. Especially the Poles. There are posters denouncing Polish depravity, Pride marches, &c

    Says the sentiment seems honest and widespread, but who knows in a dictatorship

    They are being prepped for war, with NATO

    Oh dear, I will need to cancel my holidays to Gomel. Their loss

    Do they still have that bald Putin puppet in charge or has his son taken over
    Lukashenko is surprisingly not that old considering how long he has been there. Youngster probably has to wait another decade or more.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,605
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Good evening

    Burnham has turned on the following this week

    Accepts immigration has to fall and endorses Mahmood 's policies as does Kemi

    Confirms he will stick to the fiscal rules

    Accepts single space ruling

    No PR this Parliament


    When you want the top job reality crosses your path and it is either pragmatic or I have principles but I can change them

    I have watched Burnham operate in Manchester and he gets things done by being collegiate and working across politics and business

    If he wins and carries this into government, we may well see difficult policies like the triple lock and paying for care discused and agreed across the parties for the better good

    If might well be just a hope, but if one person could do it it would be Burnham

    He’s still wanting to give the WASPI leeches £10 Billion though.
    Hopefully when he is actually running the country he will be persuaded, as the current government has been (on and off) that it is simply unaffordable. Without needing to get into that it is bloody ridiculous.
    Politicians should not have indulged these people and made them out to be victims when they are anything but.
    My sympathy ran out a long time ago. The level of being informed they insist was required would basically mean governments can never change things, to pick just one point.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,066
    MattW said:

    Omnium said:

    MattW said:

    Currently, the Army has around 6,000 drones in its arsenal.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/05/22/britain-only-has-enough-drones-for-one-week-of-war/

    On this thinking, the British army is between 80 and 90% short of the drones it thinks it needs – for reconnaissance, air defence or attack.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/22/drone-shortage-london-underground-nato-british-military

    I think we need to get making.

    The British army is fully with fancy dress outfits for prancing around at Horse Guards for three upcoming Saturdays.
    A bearskin hat cost £2000. An Octopus interceptor drone, made in the UK, costs £2000.
    A new suit adds something beyond its cost. I imagine a bearskin hat does the same.

    These troops get to be a bit dramatic, but they'll fight better for it.
    They get to shout at American Tourists taking photographs.

    Or so Youtube says.
    American tourists have improved. They're no longer the thudding clowns they once were.

    I wander around London quite a lot, and really the Americans aren't an issue. The French and Italians seem to want to ride escalators to the top and then stop. The Russians (or perhaps Ukranian-not-so-patriots) want to talk loudly. The Arabs and the like have become ridiculous in their convoys - the icebreaker male in front who will totally ignore any idea of politeness when it comes to pavement etiquette and then a fleet of shrouded women who simply drag ones soul down.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,632
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Spain in 1968, family package holiday. Also the first time my parents went abroad. We flew and my abiding memory is my ears hurting so much with the pressure change that I cried.
    Ditto, although maybe a couple of years earlier. My dad refused to go abroad. We finally convinced him. It was a disaster. Rained all day in Benidorm. The food was awful. Surprised we ever went again. I think I stopped going with them when I hit 14.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,789
    in latest virtue signalling snowflake news

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p4g86x0vo

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,317
    Tres said:

    in latest virtue signalling snowflake news

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p4g86x0vo

    To be fair if I were a reform politician I'd hope my sins would be forgiven too.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Spain in 1968, family package holiday. Also the first time my parents went abroad. We flew and my abiding memory is my ears hurting so much with the pressure change that I cried.
    It wasn't my first trip abroad [that was Germany, when I was a baby, because my grandparents lived there at the time], but my first memory of going abroad was similar to yours. Spain, ear pain.
    I wasn't desperately impressed. It was a bit grotty and tge beaches were not a patch on those in Devon or Scotland, with no opportunities to build sandcastles or dam streams or do anything else which makes a trip to the beach worthwhile.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 13,066

    Tres said:

    in latest virtue signalling snowflake news

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p4g86x0vo

    To be fair if I were a reform politician I'd hope my sins would be forgiven too.
    Well there's clearly a diminished responsibility defence.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    kle4 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Just had Late Spring Drinks with an old mate, a mildly famous photographer

    He's back this week from ten days in Belarus. He reports a lot of hostility to the West, NATO, all of us. Especially the Poles. There are posters denouncing Polish depravity, Pride marches, &c

    Says the sentiment seems honest and widespread, but who knows in a dictatorship

    They are being prepped for war, with NATO

    Oh dear, I will need to cancel my holidays to Gomel. Their loss

    Do they still have that bald Putin puppet in charge or has his son taken over
    Lukashenko is surprisingly not that old considering how long he has been there. Youngster probably has to wait another decade or more.
    Just checked, eldest son around 50, potential to replace one ageing head of state with another. I stand corrected, not completely bald, there is a ridiculous combover there

    There was one of the -stans, can't remember if it was Tajiki- or Turkmeni- which had a long standing President, but I think he is out now. Leon has probably been there, from memory it has a lot of fancy gold statues of political leaders
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    Isn't her husband seriously ill ?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    My grandparents moved to Vienna the year I was born, so my first foreign country visit was very likely to Austria, and I almost certainly don't remember it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630

    Isn't her husband seriously ill ?
    Yes, bone cancer

    She’s standing down to support his battle
  • OysterOctopusOysterOctopus Posts: 32
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Spain in 1968, family package holiday. Also the first time my parents went abroad. We flew and my abiding memory is my ears hurting so much with the pressure change that I cried.
    It wasn't my first trip abroad [that was Germany, when I was a baby, because my grandparents lived there at the time], but my first memory of going abroad was similar to yours. Spain, ear pain.
    I wasn't desperately impressed. It was a bit grotty and tge beaches were not a patch on those in Devon or Scotland, with no opportunities to build sandcastles or dam streams or do anything else which makes a trip to the beach worthwhile.
    My first holiday would have been loaded up in a (non-A/C) car and driven through Europe via the Chunnel until the half-way point, at which point we turned around and came back.

    Vaguely remember going to Elba and liking the Tiramsu, not realising it had booze in it. The engine overheating so we had to have the heater on in the car.

    Also went to Andorra, and a miserable Swiss hotel owner overlooking lake Garda in Switzerland where you couldn't hang laundry on the balcony by law. Which even as a 5 year old I found hilarious and probably caused some of my libertarianism.

    A German hotel which was resplendent with the owner's war photos (featuring him in Nazi uniform). When we went a couple of years later, he'd clearly retired and his kids had hidden them.

    Every trip consisted of eating frazzles in the back of a very hot car.

    But you can't buy memories like that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630
    If you hate Labour vote Labour is one hell of a pitch

    https://x.com/duncanrobinson/status/2057772859842240556?s=61
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,630
    If you hate Labour vote Labour is one hell of a pitch

    https://x.com/duncanrobinson/status/2057772859842240556?s=61
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,528
    Andy_JS said:

    What was the first foreign country you ever visited? For me, I think it was the Netherlands.

    Apparently I want to Palma Majorca as a baby but I Have no memory of it. I do remember going to Norway camping by ferry in 1969 and still have a pewter viking ship as a memento from the trip.

    It was quite an ambitious road trip via Sweden and Denmark afterwards in a P6 Rover with roofrack. I remember being impressed with the Tivoli gardens too
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    rcs1000 said:

    DoctorG said:

    UK net migration needs to fall further, says Andy Burnham
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjdp9zjdj0mo

    Must be time for the annual stories of "but who wil pick the strawberries".....

    Thats easy, robots or stop eating them
    Terminator 7 synopsis.

    Humanity under the yoke of the killer strawberry pickers.
    Joking aside, the robots are here.

    The ones for picking raspberries do a better job than humans.

    The biggest barrier to adoption is the near religious belief in some companies that cheap labour, not investment is the answer to everything.
    The other problem, presumably, being that the machines only get used for a few days a year for each fruit farm. There's probably really good money to be made with a leasing business.
    Most fruit farms are going to be trying to stagger when their fruit ripens so that they have fruit to sell for as long as possible.

    The local strawberry farm to us sells strawberries in the local supermarkets for about three months of the year. I'm surprised that you'd think a fruit farm would only be harvesting for a few days a year.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,571
    Shameful outcome of Tories hollowing out of a armed forces and slashing defence spending 2010 to 2024. Cutting from 2.5% to 2%..

    Red Arrows will have 7 instead of 9 Aircraft most displays until 2030 to conserve out dated Hawk engines.


  • Burnham is engineering Starmer’s ejection from power. Along with Ed M and Streeting
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