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PB Predictions Competition 2026 – update – politicalbetting.com

As we pause for breath between the excitement of the local elections and the Coronation of King Andy / Complete humiliation of Labour by Reform (delete as appropriate), there is time to focus on the really important question of the day. 

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114
    Thanks again for running this, Mr. Pointer.

    There's a chance my outlier pro-Democrat prediction might prove less inaccurate than it initially seemed :)

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    FPT

    Incidentally on age verification, I had been cocking about with Sea of Thieves and a friend or two in the past but when Xbox (I use PS5 but it has to go via Xbox for weird reasons) demanded age verification I just stopped. Convenient, as now my PS5 wants me to verify my age to use communication/social features.

    Not really a fan of this idea uploading your passport, bank statement, driving licence, or credit card info to every damn online organisation.

    A government digital ID will fix this problem.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114

    FPT

    Incidentally on age verification, I had been cocking about with Sea of Thieves and a friend or two in the past but when Xbox (I use PS5 but it has to go via Xbox for weird reasons) demanded age verification I just stopped. Convenient, as now my PS5 wants me to verify my age to use communication/social features.

    Not really a fan of this idea uploading your passport, bank statement, driving licence, or credit card info to every damn online organisation.

    A government digital ID will fix this problem.
    ...

    No, it'll mean when it gets hacked then it'll affect every damned thing. As you well know, you tinker.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    Oh dear... Nul Points
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    I am disappointed nobody picked up on the subtle pun/actor reference on the previous thread.

    As a collective punishment upcoming threads will feature pictures of politicians wearing shorts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764

    FPT

    Incidentally on age verification, I had been cocking about with Sea of Thieves and a friend or two in the past but when Xbox (I use PS5 but it has to go via Xbox for weird reasons) demanded age verification I just stopped. Convenient, as now my PS5 wants me to verify my age to use communication/social features.

    Not really a fan of this idea uploading your passport, bank statement, driving licence, or credit card info to every damn online organisation.

    A government digital ID will fix this problem.
    ...

    No, it'll mean when it gets hacked then it'll affect every damned thing. As you well know, you tinker.
    I’d say about 90% of where I need to verify myself online I use my Apple ID.

    Perhaps the government should outsource the digital ID work to Apple.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    Foss said:

    Oh dear... Nul Points

    It’s all about not peaking too soon.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927

    Foss said:

    Oh dear... Nul Points

    It’s all about not peaking too soon.
    Or, looking at the rest of my predictions, at all...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 64,114

    Foss said:

    Oh dear... Nul Points

    It’s all about not peaking too soon.
    I can only hope. My Labour percentage was close (18% not 17%) but the others were well off. Partly that was because I checked how many seats were in the Welsh election then it turned out they were increasing the number...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,214

    I am disappointed nobody picked up on the subtle pun/actor reference on the previous thread.

    As a collective punishment upcoming threads will feature pictures of politicians wearing shorts.

    In the interests of equality I would hope you will include female politicians in this. Maybe someone such as Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533
    On 30, so not a bad start. One off on MSPs, spot on on AMs.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Interesting to compare to the median of the entries.

    Q3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? Answer 58
    PB median 57

    Q4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? Answer 43
    PB median 35

    Q6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? Answer 17%
    PB median 18%
  • glwglw Posts: 10,947
    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    edited May 21
    FPT…

    People mistakenly believe net migration is rising in Britain despite figures dropping to their lowest level in years, a leading thinktank has found.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/21/voters-across-parties-believe-uk-net-migration-is-rising-despite-sharp-drop

    And this is the problem with politics today. Social media distorts people’s understanding of the world.

    No, it is the inflation problem again. Inflation is down but prices are still a lot higher than five years ago and still going up. Same as immigration. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, it is still a thing.
    No. Respondents we’re specifically asked if immigration is rising, and many think it is. I don’t see the evidence that people have misinterpreted the question in the sort of way they do around inflation.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    On topic, many thanks to Ben.

    Also Andy Burnham’s antics could have major impact on the winner of the competition.

    Also we should salute the genius who asked if Andy Burnham will be an MP on the 31st of December 2026.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533
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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    I am disappointed nobody picked up on the subtle pun/actor reference on the previous thread.

    As a collective punishment upcoming threads will feature pictures of politicians wearing shorts.

    I was either too busy to comment, or too polite.

    But I've scoured the header and can find no reference to Streeting being Labour's demolition man,
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    edited May 21
    still doing the duplicate thing.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    But now the politicians have raised the public's expectations that it is avoidable, so guess who is going to get the blame when food prices rocket?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,947

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568

    FPT

    Incidentally on age verification, I had been cocking about with Sea of Thieves and a friend or two in the past but when Xbox (I use PS5 but it has to go via Xbox for weird reasons) demanded age verification I just stopped. Convenient, as now my PS5 wants me to verify my age to use communication/social features.

    Not really a fan of this idea uploading your passport, bank statement, driving licence, or credit card info to every damn online organisation.

    A government digital ID will fix this problem.
    ...

    No, it'll mean when it gets hacked then it'll affect every damned thing. As you well know, you tinker.
    I’d say about 90% of where I need to verify myself online I use my Apple ID.

    Perhaps the government should outsource the digital ID work to Apple.
    Between Apple and Google it would cover the market - got to say that given the choice I use my Google account to login to everything.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829
    My guesses of 59, 44 and 16% were all agonisingly close.
  • IanB2 said:

    The heatwave starts today! Although the guy I am staying with says last week here it was 9C with snow, hence the mountaintops are still snow covered.


    Don’t want to worry you, but if that’s roughly where I think it is, I’ll be joining you in about a week
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    FPT

    Incidentally on age verification, I had been cocking about with Sea of Thieves and a friend or two in the past but when Xbox (I use PS5 but it has to go via Xbox for weird reasons) demanded age verification I just stopped. Convenient, as now my PS5 wants me to verify my age to use communication/social features.

    Not really a fan of this idea uploading your passport, bank statement, driving licence, or credit card info to every damn online organisation.

    A government digital ID will fix this problem.
    ...

    No, it'll mean when it gets hacked then it'll affect every damned thing. As you well know, you tinker.
    I’d say about 90% of where I need to verify myself online I use my Apple ID.

    Perhaps the government should outsource the digital ID work to Apple.
    Due to the age restriction stuff previously implemented on iOS apps, and the lack of verification, millions of children’s accounts on Apple their age as 18+…..
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    No shit.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    RIP Barney Frank.

    Barney Frank was an historic figure in a lot of ways, but I will primarily remember him for this very funny string of insults he lobbed at one of his own constituents
    https://x.com/matt____rice/status/2057096899870548457
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,738
    IanB2 said:

    The heatwave starts today! Although the guy I am staying with says last week here it was 9C with snow, hence the mountaintops are still snow covered.


    That must be AI. No real dog has a tongue that long, and just one ear.
  • 171,000.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 21

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    With a serious El Niño as well, I think this issue is going to last a while.

    If you think this year is going to be bad, it’s going to be a walk in the park compared to next year. 1876-8 was the Great Famine of India and guess when the last big El Niño was?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    No shit.
    Guano is soaring in price.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    Interesting to compare to the median of the entries.

    Q3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? Answer 58
    PB median 57

    Q4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? Answer 43
    PB median 35

    Q6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? Answer 17%
    PB median 18%

    The wisdom of crowds.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    No shit.
    Guano is soaring in price.
    My cars resale price went up massively at the weekend - a passing pigeon left a pile of shit fertiliser on it...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699

    171,000.

    ... is the new net immigration figure, so about half last year's I think.

    @malcolmg The drop is nearly all in gross immigration. This isn't about more people emigrating.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,214

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    No shit.
    Guano is soaring in price.
    It does tend to drop suddenly which is lucky.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699

    Interesting to compare to the median of the entries.

    Q3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? Answer 58
    PB median 57

    Q4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? Answer 43
    PB median 35

    Q6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? Answer 17%
    PB median 18%

    The wisdom of crowds.
    And the failure of the crowd to remember the increase in the size of the Senedd
  • I’ve no wish to agitate and distress the forum, but this is an actual headline in the FT

    “Ed Miliband advising Andy Burnham on how to calm bond market fears”

    Next: Fred West is appointed Keir Starmer’s new Proper Patio Tsar
  • Andy Burnham is going to come in with net migration falling, NHS waiting lists dropping.

    I think he’ll initially do very well.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764

    I’ve no wish to agitate and distress the forum, but this is an actual headline in the FT

    “Ed Miliband advising Andy Burnham on how to calm bond market fears”

    Next: Fred West is appointed Keir Starmer’s new Proper Patio Tsar

    Stupid analogy from you, nobody ever complained about Fred West's workmanship.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,230

    I am disappointed nobody picked up on the subtle pun/actor reference on the previous thread.

    As a collective punishment upcoming threads will feature pictures of politicians wearing shorts.

    This for the ultimate sanction?
    The words vpl and Trump should never be seen in the same sentence.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764

    I am disappointed nobody picked up on the subtle pun/actor reference on the previous thread.

    As a collective punishment upcoming threads will feature pictures of politicians wearing shorts.

    This for the ultimate sanction?
    The words vpl and Trump should never be seen in the same sentence.


    Thanks, this will be used.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    Interesting to compare to the median of the entries.

    Q3. Number of MSPs won by the SNP at the Holyrood election? Answer 58
    PB median 57

    Q4. Number of AMs won by Plaid Cymru at the Senedd election? Answer 43
    PB median 35

    Q6. Labour’s Projected National Share of the vote based on the 2026 local elections according to the BBC? Answer 17%
    PB median 18%

    The wisdom of crowds.
    And the failure of the crowd to remember the increase in the size of the Senedd
    Well its a small country and very far away.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,879
    boulay said:

    Nearly at the end of In our Time about the Levellers and they still haven’t played a single one of their songs. Very disappointed.

    No-one digs them any more.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,830
    boulay said:

    Nearly at the end of In our Time about the Levellers and they still haven’t played a single one of their songs. Very disappointed.

    Copyright reasons presumably.
  • I’ve no wish to agitate and distress the forum, but this is an actual headline in the FT

    “Ed Miliband advising Andy Burnham on how to calm bond market fears”

    Next: Fred West is appointed Keir Starmer’s new Proper Patio Tsar

    Stupid analogy from you, nobody ever complained about Fred West's workmanship.
    I understand there were occasional problems with subsidence, and work continued for many years
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,432
    boulay said:

    Nearly at the end of In our Time about the Levellers and they still haven’t played a single one of their songs. Very disappointed.

    It sounds like they'll only have time for Just The One.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,002
    I am hoping for the.most hilarious outcome of the by election and that Burnham fails and Restore wins
    Anyone who doesn't like Labour should vote for the candidate most likely to defeat him.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    Interesting that no-one has Burnham for PM, and only @RochdalePioneers has Streeting for PM. There’s a handful of Rayners, a couple of silly answers, and everyone else went for Starmer. Four months is a long time in politics!
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 21
    If Labour follow through on these insane new taxes, tax hikes, taxes on everything, then we will see capital flight on a new and unprecedented scale. Which means one more tax. An exit tax. We are turning into Soviet Albania without the weather

    Oh well, at least we managed to spend £100,000,000,000 on the world’s slowest railway which won’t become operational for another 450 years
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,420

    I’ve no wish to agitate and distress the forum, but this is an actual headline in the FT

    “Ed Miliband advising Andy Burnham on how to calm bond market fears”

    Next: Fred West is appointed Keir Starmer’s new Proper Patio Tsar

    Stupid analogy from you, nobody ever complained about Fred West's workmanship.
    Not sure about that.

    It all had to be torn up pretty quickly didn't it?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    edited May 21
    Heh.

    Your "near miss" number is slightly too small.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,168
    edited May 21

    I am hoping for the.most hilarious outcome of the by election and that Burnham fails and Restore wins
    Anyone who doesn't like Labour should vote for the candidate most likely to defeat him.

    Mornimg, P.B.

    Restore are essentially a fascist party who have pledged to "remigrate" up to ten million people. Lowe is Mosely to Farage's Orban.
  • Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,214
    Nigelb said:

    I am disappointed nobody picked up on the subtle pun/actor reference on the previous thread.

    As a collective punishment upcoming threads will feature pictures of politicians wearing shorts.

    I was either too busy to comment, or too polite.

    But I've scoured the header and can find no reference to Streeting being Labour's demolition man,
    I thought, re Streeting's bid to be PM, it was a reference to some mofos always trying to ice skate uphill? A fitting metaphor for political advancement.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,432

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    In amongst the thought that the Boriswave definitely needed to be quashed, I am slightly concerned that a large undershoot on immigration longer term will be demographically unhelpful. I think we are in the ball park we need to be in numbers wise, whilst questions of who and how will always be salient.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,214
    boulay said:

    Nearly at the end of In our Time about the Levellers and they still haven’t played a single one of their songs. Very disappointed.

    Not even Just the One? That's Men-an-Tol :disappointed:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    edited May 21

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    That's the rhetoric, not the issue.

    They would be shouting about something else, were that done.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,401

    171,000.

    ... is the new net immigration figure, so about half last year's I think.

    @malcolmg The drop is nearly all in gross immigration. This isn't about more people emigrating.
    And has that resolved this as a political issue? Nope. Watch now as the goalposts get moved to deporting migrants and achieving a declining population.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,934
    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    China will soon me able to buy its eastern Russian lands at a few kopeks on the ruble...
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,538
    Foxy said:

    On 30, so not a bad start. One off on MSPs, spot on on AMs.

    I think I am "doing a Leicester" from underdog winner to relegation in just a few years.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,538
    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    Without the immigration, where will Deliveroo get their riders?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    edited May 21

    Foxy said:

    On 30, so not a bad start. One off on MSPs, spot on on AMs.

    I think I am "doing a Leicester" from underdog winner to relegation in just a few years.
    I’ve just looked at my other answers and can safely say that my position is only going in 1 direction (downwards).

    My only hope is that my current score is enough to avoid relegation
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,649
    I thought I was doing well in 7th until I realised that was entries as received !!

    Still, it’s the taking part that counts.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557

    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    China will soon me able to buy its eastern Russian lands at a few kopeks on the ruble...
    Yup. It wouldn’t be much of a surprise to see Chinese tanks rolling towards Vladivostok some time soon, which would be hellishly amusing. American sources have been reporting that Xi told Trump last week, that Putin would live to regret the war in Ukraine.

    Xi doesn’t care about the new pipeline unless Russia is paying for it, and Putin still thinks that himself and Xi are close to equals.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    I think on that one we have an action learning project underway in the USA.

    Trump & Co are proud to have forced several million people out of the country, or so they claim.

    Serious analysts are starting to look at whether the population of the USA is turning to decline.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    The other issue is the emigration. It’s in the tens of thousands of Brits, but they’re almost all higher-rate taxpayers heading for US, Commonwealth, Mid East…
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534
    Absolutely no sign of the drop in net migration on the Daily Mail site !

  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,119

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,210
    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    We are about to run out of fertiliser to grow things and diesel to drive what we can't grow to the supermarkets.

    What I found odd was that amidst all the pb pearl clutching, no-one remembered that both parties tried something similar in the 1960s and 70s. Prices and incomes policy was one of the things Mrs Thatcher was reacting against.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    I’ve no wish to agitate and distress the forum, but this is an actual headline in the FT

    “Ed Miliband advising Andy Burnham on how to calm bond market fears”

    Next: Fred West is appointed Keir Starmer’s new Proper Patio Tsar

    Stupid analogy from you, nobody ever complained about Fred West's workmanship.
    I understand there were occasional problems with subsidence, and work continued for many years
    Was he involved with HS2, then?!?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,653
    rkrkrk said:

    171,000.

    ... is the new net immigration figure, so about half last year's I think.

    @malcolmg The drop is nearly all in gross immigration. This isn't about more people emigrating.
    And has that resolved this as a political issue? Nope. Watch now as the goalposts get moved to deporting migrants and achieving a declining population.
    And why not ?

    There's been a desperate attempt to move the goalposts so that reducing net immigration from the hundreds of thousands to the hundreds of thousands is all that needs to be done.

    When net migration goes negative then governments will have something to boast about and even then there will be issues about who is immigrating and who is emigrating.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    MattW said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    I think on that one we have an action learning project underway in the USA.

    Trump & Co are proud to have forced several million people out of the country, or so they claim.

    Serious analysts are starting to look at whether the population of the USA is turning to decline.
    US population is estimated to have gone down 2-3m in the last 16 months - 700k deportations and 2-3 times that many that left of their own volition - but it possibly went up 5-10m under Biden, many of whom just walked over the border and disappeared into the US.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Rates are falling substantially. Why do you think they'll level out here?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Pro_Rata said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    In amongst the thought that the Boriswave definitely needed to be quashed, I am slightly concerned that a large undershoot on immigration longer term will be demographically unhelpful. I think we are in the ball park we need to be in numbers wise, whilst questions of who and how will always be salient.
    For the purpose of my contribution to the discussion today I am less concerned with what is economically or otherwise optimal, and more concerned with what there is political consent for.

    There isn't political consent for net migration above 100k a year. I'm not sure if net migration at ~50k per year, sustained for a long period, would be enough to defuse it as an issue. It might be. Shifting baseline syndrome would suggest it is at least possible.

    But there definitely isn't consent for >100k per year, and you would need a very courageous and very persuasive politician to successfully convince a majority of the public they were happy with it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,210
    edited May 21
    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    Are they still stuck on they both want the pipeline but China has no interest in paying for it?

    ETA scooped by sandpit!
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568

    Pro_Rata said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    In amongst the thought that the Boriswave definitely needed to be quashed, I am slightly concerned that a large undershoot on immigration longer term will be demographically unhelpful. I think we are in the ball park we need to be in numbers wise, whilst questions of who and how will always be salient.
    For the purpose of my contribution to the discussion today I am less concerned with what is economically or otherwise optimal, and more concerned with what there is political consent for.

    There isn't political consent for net migration above 100k a year. I'm not sure if net migration at ~50k per year, sustained for a long period, would be enough to defuse it as an issue. It might be. Shifting baseline syndrome would suggest it is at least possible.

    But there definitely isn't consent for >100k per year, and you would need a very courageous and very persuasive politician to successfully convince a majority of the public they were happy with it.
    I suspect the damage has already been done as no-one actually cares about the big picture - what they care about is the colour of the scheme of the people around them.

    Most people really didn’t notice the Eastern European migration until the numbers were large enough that a shop catering for them appeared in the town
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439
    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    What is happening is a bit like Russian tanks in Ukraine.

    Instead of one day, no tanks, they substituted with anything they could find, refurbished rusty crap from 1953 etc etc. And *gradually* ran out. Today, Russian tanks are rarer than politicians delivery of promises.

    At the moment, with the oil, the deliveries have stopped. Stocks in the supply chains are running down. Frantic buying is starting to increase prices. Demand destruction has begun. Putins oil is just another part of this.

    This will escalate. And get worse, faster and faster
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    Sandpit said:

    Foss said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    Any net migration is going to be a very hard sell if there really are going to be food supply issues. Both that year and for a number of years afterwards.
    The issue is no longer migration. It’s the people here that need to go home
    The other issue is the emigration. It’s in the tens of thousands of Brits, but they’re almost all higher-rate taxpayers heading for US, Commonwealth, Mid East…
    Long term emigration of British nationals is down on the new figures: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingdecember2025
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557

    Sandpit said:

    BBC Russia correspondent:

    One Russian paper says Russia's “on verge of recession” & warns of “a large-scale bank liquidity crisis.” After Putin & Xi failed to reach a deal on the 'Power of Siberia 2' pipeline, another paper writes: “Chinese media ignored the topic of the gas pipeline.”

    https://x.com/bbcstever/status/2057355685302595671

    Are they still stuck on they both want the pipeline but China has no interest in paying for it?

    ETA scooped by sandpit!
    China appears to be quite content buying up what almost no-one else wants to touch at the moment, at a significant discount to market prices.

    Xi has Putin over a barrel, both figuratively and literally.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318

    Pro_Rata said:

    171,000.

    Impending mass global-famine related migration aside, it looks like net migration will stabilise well above 100,000, with net migration of non-EU+ nationals no lower than 200,000 (latest figure 350k).

    I think we can expect immigration to remain a major political issue even if people were to have an accurate understanding of the statistics, because the voters have consistently demonstrated a preference for much lower rates of migration and politicians haven't advocated for higher rates.
    In amongst the thought that the Boriswave definitely needed to be quashed, I am slightly concerned that a large undershoot on immigration longer term will be demographically unhelpful. I think we are in the ball park we need to be in numbers wise, whilst questions of who and how will always be salient.
    For the purpose of my contribution to the discussion today I am less concerned with what is economically or otherwise optimal, and more concerned with what there is political consent for.

    There isn't political consent for net migration above 100k a year. I'm not sure if net migration at ~50k per year, sustained for a long period, would be enough to defuse it as an issue. It might be. Shifting baseline syndrome would suggest it is at least possible.

    But there definitely isn't consent for >100k per year, and you would need a very courageous and very persuasive politician to successfully convince a majority of the public they were happy with it.
    There also isn't public consent for large numbers of vacancies in key sectors like care, construction or nursing, nor public consent for paying substantially higher taxes to make those vacancies more appealing to workers already here.

    Good luck delivering the public only what they consent to.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,830
    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    rkrkrk said:

    171,000.

    ... is the new net immigration figure, so about half last year's I think.

    @malcolmg The drop is nearly all in gross immigration. This isn't about more people emigrating.
    And has that resolved this as a political issue? Nope. Watch now as the goalposts get moved to deporting migrants and achieving a declining population.
    British voters were promised net migration in the tens of thousands for many years, which never happened, and Labour never advocated for a higher target number. So it's hardly moving goalposts if the voters are still unhappy about net migration at around double the level they were promised.

    Obviously there's also lots of upping the ante in the rhetoric on the Right as the different parties compete for votes and a distinctive policy.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,040
    Good morning everyone.

    Yesterday at the GP the NHS National Data Opt-Out service was prominently featured in the rolling screen display. This allows us to opt out of our medical records being shared for research, and came in 2018, following on I assume from the various campaigns and conspiracy theories that were being made about privatisation around 2014-2016.

    It's not something I have been opposed to ideologically, as more data leads to better research and is a GOOD THING (using Sellars & Yeatman categories). But we are now seeing Palantir developing a role, and the USA has law in place ("Cloud Act" 2018) which allows the Govt to instruct US companies to give them all data stored in the cloud, even if in foreign countries. The UK Govt restrictions against that are only contractual afaics.

    I am having second thoughts, even though it undermines a common good. I do not trust the USA, and do not wish to help them in any way whatsoever until I know they are sane.

    Here's the national dashboard, and a graph of the current rate. 3.5 million are opted out.
    https://digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/national-data-opt-out-open-data

  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,119

    maxh said:

    glw said:

    eek said:

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    I suspect it has come from the government planning for fallout of the Strait of Hormuz closure.
    But it simply isn't going to work, food inflation is utterly unavoidable..
    Indeed.

    Within the next few months people will be experts in fertiliser production.
    So I guess that the scenarios are looking very worrying? Also a great time to become the new PM for Burnham/Streeting/Rayner.
    At the start of the pandemic remember how countries were fighting to secure PPE, now imagine that with food.
    Worth remembering that roughly twice as many people (~2.1 million) emigrated from Ireland due to the Famine, as died due to it (~1 million), and this was in the mid-19th century.

    It's reasonable to anticipate the largest migration of people in history as a result. Needless to say, that will have consequences.
    Whilst I'm sure you're all correct, I'm somewhat confused as to why diesel is not currently £1236.78 per millilitre.

    Are we still in the calm before the storm? Are our futures markets not functioning? Or are we just buying from Putin again?
    What is happening is a bit like Russian tanks in Ukraine.

    Instead of one day, no tanks, they substituted with anything they could find, refurbished rusty crap from 1953 etc etc. And *gradually* ran out. Today, Russian tanks are rarer than politicians delivery of promises.

    At the moment, with the oil, the deliveries have stopped. Stocks in the supply chains are running down. Frantic buying is starting to increase prices. Demand destruction has begun. Putins oil is just another part of this.

    This will escalate. And get worse, faster and faster
    But if you, a poster on an internet forum, knows this, why do those selling the remaining ounces of diesel not know this also and jack up prices further?

    I assumed for a while it was just because petrol stations had bought a big stock at a price that allowed them to sell at around 190p/l, but prices have come down a bit recently. Could just be local competition I guess, but it still seems odd if we're approaching the cliff edge...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    edited May 21
    .........and for Trump it's just one Hell of a lot worse. Unprecedented poll numbers for Sandpit's favourite politician....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeRtf1walXw

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,210
    Nigel Farage probably doesn’t owe tax on his £5m gift
    https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2026/05/20/farage-5m-gift-tax/

    Dan Neidle's TPA outfit has published a very long document which I've not read but that's the headline.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534
    Chris Philp has the cheek to criticise Labour on net-migration !

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557

    glw said:

    Does anyone know where this grocery price cap idea has come from? It seems a bit odd that both the Scottish government and Westminster have had the same bright idea at the same time. Is there some horrifying forecast of food price inflation circulating?

    Presumably it's inspired by Mamdani's idea of state-owned grocery stores - and therefore engineered lower prices - in New York
    That particular story is going to be quite brilliant to watch.

    It’s going to take two years to build (Wal-Mart can do a massive warehouse hypermarket in six months), is going to be staffed by Union staff on $40 an hour for a 35 hour week, time-and-a-half outside 9-5 and double time nights and weekends, has very little buying power, and is likely to be a massive target for shoplifting and looting, neither of which Mamdani currently sees as bad things.

    It’s going to cost many millions and be a total failure. I know this because it’s been a total failure costing millions every time it’s been tried before.
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