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  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    Taz said:

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    Public sector wages playing catch up. Or should public sector workers' pay fall ever further behind that in the private sector? (Good luck with recruitment and retainment when TAs and nurses can earn more at Aldi, BTW).
    A compensation package is not just the wage. It’s the holiday entitlement, pension entitlement and pay scales too.
    Compensation.

    Another daft Americanism.


    I asked my Human Resources Officer and she just said ‘do the math’
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,446

    HYUFD said:

    In Athens and we spent the day going around the Acropolis and Parthenon. Amazing to see the cradle of democracy and the ancient temples and fantastic views from there on a warm and sunny day of the city as well as from the Areopagos hill where St Paul spoke to the Athenians.

    Though fair to say the Acropolis museum is not a fan of Lord Elgin and the British Museum. Even leaving spaces in its marbles display for where the missing pieces are, though given some of them were quite weather beaten maybe his Lordship did his best to conserve them after all

    Athens is amazing. Can't say I blame them for wanting their bits and bobs back.
    Elgin bought them from the government of the day. The British museum bought them from Elgin. Greece can buy them from the British museum
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2056760536084185405

    Andy Burnham’s team is working on a plan for his first 100 days in government in the event that he wins a crunch by-election and replaces Keir Starmer, three people tell me

    The plan is in its early stages but is likely to include reforms to the creaking social care system

    Already doing more planning than Sue Gray

    The thing is he is probably the one person who can do something about Social Care - he’s managed it for 10 years so has an idea of where the issues are and will be able to carry things along
    Back in the Brown days he proposed a levy on every estate on death for social care.

    Will this be back on agenda?

    At the moment Casey is doing a report on social care but not due until 2028.

    Edit: And also, coincidentally (?), Fabians are releasing a report this week on social care.
    What exactly is wrong with a levy on estates? Yes I've worked all my life etc etc, but the increase in the value of, in particular, my house is down to social development, not my efforts.
    Anyway, I've done my best to ensure my sons and grandchildren can look after themselves.
    I never saw a problem with it either.
    Isn't it that it's all estates, not just those who go into care. Some people think they'll be lucky enough to not need care and don't want a mutual charge.
    If you go into care it's irrelevant, your estate will be spent on care fees.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    Bold decision...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    Public sector wages playing catch up. Or should public sector workers' pay fall ever further behind that in the private sector? (Good luck with recruitment and retainment when TAs and nurses can earn more at Aldi, BTW).
    A compensation package is not just the wage. It’s the holiday entitlement, pension entitlement and pay scales too.
    Compensation.

    Another daft Americanism.


    I asked my Human Resources Officer and she just said ‘do the math’
    Tell them to take their pink slip on the way out....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    What other good ideas does he have?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,833

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    What's the significance of that?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Keir Starmer thinks he can remain prime minister till 2027, even if Andy Burnham wins in Makerfield
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrghdV1Qllk
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    The most corrupt state attorney general in history so of course he got Trumps endorsement !

    This is good news for James Talarico. It’s still going to be difficult to win Texas but probably the best chance the Dems have had in a very long time .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    CatMan said:

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    What's the significance of that?
    Ken Paxton is an absolute roaster, even the GOP top bods in Texas hate him, if the MAGA lot still do Trump's bidding then Paxton wins the nomination.

    I think John Cornyn holds Texas in November as the GOP candidate but if it is Ken Paxton I can see Texas flipping to the Dems.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,375
    The only way to confront the triple lock would be be for Andy Burnham (as PM), Kemi as LotO and Sir Ed Davey to agree jointly to end it.

    "The country can't afford it - and we are being serious about addressing the issues facing the country."

    Plaid and SNP can be asked to join.

    Do it now. Show savings to be invested in the NHS before the next election.

    Farage will huff and puff that he is standing up for the pensioners. But will face the charge that he he shows no interest in sorting out the national finances. From all quarters.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    The triple lock is unsustainable, but I do wonder how families and grandchildren of pensioners do not like 'granny' being used to save money
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,842

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056619547235332100

    women made redundant, year on year: +75%.
    men in the same period: −13%.
    retail, hospitality, admin. the female-heavy sectors are now where the cuts are landing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    Is he the MAGA loon or the MAGA loon with an impeachment hanging over him?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    The only way to confront the triple lock would be be for Andy Burnham (as PM), Kemi as LotO and Sir Ed Davey to agree jointly to end it.

    "The country can't afford it - and we are being serious about addressing the issues facing the country."

    Plaid and SNP can be asked to join.

    Do it now. Show savings to be invested in the NHS before the next election.

    Farage will huff and puff that he is standing up for the pensioners. But will face the charge that he he shows no interest in sorting out the national finances. From all quarters.

    Agreed but unlikely given the Lib Dem’s and nationalists all think the WASPI women are victims and deserve billions
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    ydoethur said:

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    Is he the MAGA loon or the MAGA loon with an impeachment hanging over him?
    The latter. He was impeached in the Texas house and that has a large majority of GOP. In the Texas senate the Trump lickspittles caved in .
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    Small objection to the presentation there: jobs added (or removed) is December year-over-year; wages is March year-over-year. You should always use the same time period.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    CatMan said:

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    What's the significance of that?
    Ken Paxton is an absolute roaster, even the GOP top bods in Texas hate him, if the MAGA lot still do Trump's bidding then Paxton wins the nomination.

    I think John Cornyn holds Texas in November as the GOP candidate but if it is Ken Paxton I can see Texas flipping to the Dems.
    Should be interesting. The real humiliation for Trump comes if Massie wins

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2026/may/19/donald-trump-primaries-midterms-republicans-kentucky-thomas-massie-pennsylvania-georgia-alabama-oregon-idaho-latest-news-updates
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219
    Taz said:

    UK Treasury pushes supermarkets to cap food prices

    Retailers are said to be "furious" at the Government's effort, which is aimed at limiting the impact of inflation

    https://www.ft.com/content/85736371-40bc-4ec1-a502-4f557d3a68b0

    The government do realise that UK supermarkets are super competitive and margins are very slim and they already squeezed the hell out of suppliers.

    The same idiot policy being applied by the SNP in Scotland.

    Subsidising demand does nothing to help inflation when you have price pressures upstream.

    The SNP one is especially bonkers
    WEF stuff.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,930
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    Public sector wages playing catch up. Or should public sector workers' pay fall ever further behind that in the private sector? (Good luck with recruitment and retainment when TAs and nurses can earn more at Aldi, BTW).
    A compensation package is not just the wage. It’s the holiday entitlement, pension entitlement and pay scales too.
    Yes, and after all that, there are still lots of vacancies in many public sector jobs.
    Doesn’t invalidate my point and there are so many vacancies as there are so many roles and it’s ever expanding.

    Indeed the public Sector saw a net increase, over 110,000, in the job figures out today even though there was a decline overall.

    https://x.com/colefusionhq/status/2056628397221048660?s=61
    The population is expanding. Ceteris paribus, you’d expect the number of public sector jobs to expand. Drilling down into the figures, that explains most of the growth.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,930
    Eabhal said:

    DoctorG said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DoctorG said:

    UK Treasury pushes supermarkets to cap food prices

    Retailers are said to be "furious" at the Government's effort, which is aimed at limiting the impact of inflation

    https://www.ft.com/content/85736371-40bc-4ec1-a502-4f557d3a68b0

    The government do realise that UK supermarkets are super competitive when it comes to food where margins are very slim and they already squeezed the hell out of suppliers.

    I don't think they do, which is the problem. How on earth do the government intend to cap food prices without having any direct say in whether a supermarket stocks a particular product, and are not intending to cap producers inputs? Do producers make the product for free?

    It's the other side of the coin from allowing all & sundry to shoplift all their requirements and still expecting the store to keep going.
    Shoplifting will be up significantly since the emergence of self serving tills in most supermarkets. The stores will have a percentage margin to account for shoplifting built into their costings. Then they work out if its cheaper to employ a human being and go back to having every item scanned for you, or continue with this model.

    Logistically I can't see minimum pricing working. Supermarkets telling suppliers to lower their costs will only result in a massive headache in the supply chain. Our bigger problems lie with an orange faced Head of State on the other side of the Atlantic
    There is also really good price differentiation in supermarkets too for most staples. Very difficult to see where the margin is, unless there is some sort of tax/subsidy to support the essentials.
    The government needs to keep saying “inflation is Trump’s fault” and Labour needs to keep saying “Reform supports Trump’s war”.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    private sector: −377,000 jobs, 3.0% wage growth
    state-funded sectors: +114,000. 4.8% wage growth.

    https://x.com/ColeFusionHQ/status/2056628397221048660?s=20

    Public sector wages playing catch up. Or should public sector workers' pay fall ever further behind that in the private sector? (Good luck with recruitment and retainment when TAs and nurses can earn more at Aldi, BTW).
    A compensation package is not just the wage. It’s the holiday entitlement, pension entitlement and pay scales too.
    Yes, and after all that, there are still lots of vacancies in many public sector jobs.
    Doesn’t invalidate my point and there are so many vacancies as there are so many roles and it’s ever expanding.

    Indeed the public Sector saw a net increase, over 110,000, in the job figures out today even though there was a decline overall.

    https://x.com/colefusionhq/status/2056628397221048660?s=61
    The population is expanding. Ceteris paribus, you’d expect the number of public sector jobs to expand. Drilling down into the figures, that explains most of the growth.
    Which helps explain the open vacancies. Vacancies are being created, vacancies are being filled, hardly means they cannot recruit solely because of money. More vacancies are being created. These will be filled. Rinse and repeat.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    I liked him in "Aliens"

    :)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    Taz said:

    UK Treasury pushes supermarkets to cap food prices

    Retailers are said to be "furious" at the Government's effort, which is aimed at limiting the impact of inflation

    https://www.ft.com/content/85736371-40bc-4ec1-a502-4f557d3a68b0

    The government do realise that UK supermarkets are super competitive and margins are very slim and they already squeezed the hell out of suppliers.

    The same idiot policy being applied by the SNP in Scotland.

    Subsidising demand does nothing to help inflation when you have price pressures upstream.

    The SNP one is especially bonkers
    WEF stuff.
    Who’d want to run an Open All Hours type of corner shop in Scotland when this comes in ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Dementia tax moment incoming:

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2056760536084185405

    EXCL: Andy Burnham’s team is working on a plan for his first 100 days in government in the event that he wins a crunch by-election and replaces Keir Starmer, three people tell me

    The plan is in its early stages but is likely to include reforms to the creaking social care system
  • eekeek Posts: 33,909
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    UK Treasury pushes supermarkets to cap food prices

    Retailers are said to be "furious" at the Government's effort, which is aimed at limiting the impact of inflation

    https://www.ft.com/content/85736371-40bc-4ec1-a502-4f557d3a68b0

    The government do realise that UK supermarkets are super competitive and margins are very slim and they already squeezed the hell out of suppliers.

    The same idiot policy being applied by the SNP in Scotland.

    Subsidising demand does nothing to help inflation when you have price pressures upstream.

    The SNP one is especially bonkers
    WEF stuff.
    Who’d want to run an Open All Hours type of corner shop in Scotland when this comes in ?
    You wouldn't...
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    I thought I couldn't have more reservations about Burnham...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    edited May 19
    "HS2: World's 'most expensive' high-speed rail line to be slower and cost more

    The project became a symbol of the country's decline, transport secretary Heidi Alexander said.

    Full HS2 services from Euston to Handsacre junction, north of Birmingham, will not begin until May 2040 at the earliest and potentially as late as December 2043, said the secretary of state."

    https://news.sky.com/story/hs2-worlds-most-expensive-high-speed-rail-line-to-be-slower-and-cost-more-13545915
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    To sell drugs, contraband and launder money, the same as the rest of the country?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    Southampton booted out of play off final
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    To sell drugs, contraband and launder money, the same as the rest of the country?
    Are you saying narcotics will Bucky the trend?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    To sell drugs, contraband and launder money, the same as the rest of the country?
    I’m guessing the SNP won’t apply price caps to those !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Huzzah.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,506
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,750

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    Who?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139

    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Huzzah.
    GET IN
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    Ref 2 they’d have to limit inventory of the whole range of the capped items as the crazy policy says, as it stands, if the capped item in the range is not available, for example Tesco Value eggs, they have to offer other products, for example Happy Hen eggs, at the same price.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    Keir Starmer thinks he can remain prime minister till 2027, even if Andy Burnham wins in Makerfield
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrghdV1Qllk

    My book hopes so!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Pulpstar said:

    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Huzzah.
    GET IN
    Deducted four points for next season too.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Who takes their place ?
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    If the Scots did it and England didn’t then the next election would be an SNP bloodbath.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    Dementia tax moment incoming:

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2056760536084185405

    EXCL: Andy Burnham’s team is working on a plan for his first 100 days in government in the event that he wins a crunch by-election and replaces Keir Starmer, three people tell me

    The plan is in its early stages but is likely to include reforms to the creaking social care system

    Not if he's already there and got 3 years.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    Ref 2 they’d have to limit inventory of the whole range of the capped items as the crazy policy says, as it stands, if the capped item in the range is not available, for example Tesco Value eggs, they have to offer other products, for example Happy Hen eggs, at the same price.

    After easter they could just discount Cadbury's creme eggs.

    Is there anywhere in the world with a similar policy already in place for comparison?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    And still we wait for the conclusion of the 115 charges against Man City !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    Obviously this can't be sustained if it were to happen, but (IMO) it won't. It's a gimmick for dim SNPs as implementation would require action via the UK parliament which the SNP expect them to refuse.

    It would be quite amusing if Westminster said 'Yes, OK we'll legislate allow you, but only Scotland, to force people to sell lots of stuff below cost price' and then sit back and survey the scene.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Who takes their place ?
    The Smoggies.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    UK citizens are among dozens of nationalities who will soon have to apply for a visa if they wish to stay in Thailand for more than 30 days.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    nico67 said:

    And still we wait for the conclusion of the 115 charges against Man City !

    It's not the EFL's fault the Prem is completely indecisive
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    Saints kicked out of playoffs.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,909

    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    Who takes their place ?
    The Smoggies.
    That's Hartlepool - Boro are in the final.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    LMAO about Trump and Paxton.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
    Predictable whataboutery but at least our conservative MS was returned

    Labour are out of power in Wales just as happened in Scotland with the SNP and maybe decades away from recovery
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    The only way to confront the triple lock would be be for Andy Burnham (as PM), Kemi as LotO and Sir Ed Davey to agree jointly to end it.

    "The country can't afford it - and we are being serious about addressing the issues facing the country."

    Plaid and SNP can be asked to join.

    Do it now. Show savings to be invested in the NHS before the next election.

    Farage will huff and puff that he is standing up for the pensioners. But will face the charge that he he shows no interest in sorting out the national finances. From all quarters.

    I think we know what Kemi will say if Andy moots the ending of the triple lock.

    But, yes, in theory it's good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    Southampton are going to be followed around by rival supporters producing binoculars like Steve Smith and his sandpaper now
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,493
    Southampton forum seems to be down, strangely. :wink:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,506

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    Ref 2 they’d have to limit inventory of the whole range of the capped items as the crazy policy says, as it stands, if the capped item in the range is not available, for example Tesco Value eggs, they have to offer other products, for example Happy Hen eggs, at the same price.

    After easter they could just discount Cadbury's creme eggs.

    Is there anywhere in the world with a similar policy already in place for comparison?
    There are plenty of examples of the effects of controlling price below cost in history.

    They always end with shortages.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,261
    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    Do voters get a say in any of this? We elected Labour less than two years ago on a manifesto.

    If Labour MPs now want to fanny about implementing a completely different manifesto just to indulge the ego of someone who has not been an MP for the last 9 years and whose record as Mayor is rather less stellar than the PR spin would have you believe, then they should call an election and let us decide. The arrogant entitlement is sickening.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Many things would be political suicide. Too many in fact.

    But it's all very well in theory saying politicians need to lead, and sometimes persuade their own voters - and it is still true - but some things would require absolutely exceptional people to achieve that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    kinabalu said:

    Dementia tax moment incoming:

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2056760536084185405

    EXCL: Andy Burnham’s team is working on a plan for his first 100 days in government in the event that he wins a crunch by-election and replaces Keir Starmer, three people tell me

    The plan is in its early stages but is likely to include reforms to the creaking social care system

    Not if he's already there and got 3 years.
    You underestimate his ability to U-turn.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited May 19
    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    If they were doing what they call "shape" it pretty useful as that is when they walk through offensive and defensive strategies. Teams normally do it 2 days before the match and hence why the rules ban any attempt to see what the other teams are doing 72hr before a match.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,493
    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,506
    If the SNP do this, I have a plan

    Buys eggs in Sicily for, secretly transfer them to Malta and sells them in Scotland. And everyone gets a share.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    Well now.

    Trump endorses Ken Paxton.

    I assume he's the most corrupt candidate, one because that is Trump's type, and two because even the Texas House of Representatives impeached him (even if the Texas Senate let him off), which I highly doubt they'd do in such a strong Republican state without very good cause.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444
    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    The SNP policy is insane . It will likely lead to supermarkets paying even less to farmers with more going to the wall . The system is so complicated to administer it will be a nightmare for retailers.

    Why would anyone want to run a supermarket or corner shop in Scotland if this comes in ?

    It’s thin margins anyway and the margins for food producers aren’t massive.

    And declining sales due to the effect of the Trump war won’t help the manufacturers cost base either.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/diet-coke-shortage-9.7196280
    Two things will happen. Quite possibly both.

    1) increases in prices of other goods to subsidise loses on the capped items.
    2) supermarkets limiting inventory if the capped items. Since the SNP policy enforces substitution with expensive items, this would mean a limit on the number of eggs on shelves.

    Cue the shortages.
    Obviously this can't be sustained if it were to happen, but (IMO) it won't. It's a gimmick for dim SNPs as implementation would require action via the UK parliament which the SNP expect them to refuse.

    It would be quite amusing if Westminster said 'Yes, OK we'll legislate allow you, but only Scotland, to force people to sell lots of stuff below cost price' and then sit back and survey the scene.

    It might force a lot of shop closures with similar 'food deserts' that have appeared in the US.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    Gemini Omni: our first step towards a model that can create anything from anything - starting with video. It combines Gemini’s intelligence with our generative media systems - representing a leap forward in world understanding, multimodality, and editing

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  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,261
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    What other good ideas does he have?
    In addition to the mansion tax Reeves introduced or instead of? Same question for an estate levy - is this in addition to IHTand IHT on pensions?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    edited May 19
    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    Incredibly consequential, and is it really such a useful activity - as you say how much can it really help? I can understand American Football which has had it happen, with specific plays etc, but I don't see how it helps here.

    I doubted this sanction would happen, but if they got caught multiple times after the first case emerged, there was no choice.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    It's as much a "mistake" as Boris Johnson's affairs were
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.

    True. Somewhat one dimensional and predictable.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671
    algarkirk said:

    Saints kicked out of playoffs.

    A slam dunk violation of Regulation 127. What were they thinking. Surely it failed the upside/downside equation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 763
    Taz said:

    Southampton booted out of play off final

    A shame

    If only they had someone keeping watch, they could have seen it coming
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    If Middlesborough do get promoted I hope the staffer who spotted the Southhampton spy gets a nice fat bonus.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    It's very depressing, and has any politician made the argument?

    No, because they'd be rounded on and piled on.

    So we're in a viscous cycle.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,909

    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.

    Southampton have admitted to spying for fixtures against Oxford United in December 2025, Ipswich Town in April 2026 and Middlesbrough in May 2026.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    Interesting fact:

    Only two AS still serving who have been members since 1999.

    And they are both women - Elin Jones, formerly the Llywydd and now the Finance Minister, and Lynn Neagle.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    UK Treasury pushes supermarkets to cap food prices

    Retailers are said to be "furious" at the Government's effort, which is aimed at limiting the impact of inflation

    https://www.ft.com/content/85736371-40bc-4ec1-a502-4f557d3a68b0

    The government do realise that UK supermarkets are super competitive and margins are very slim and they already squeezed the hell out of suppliers.

    The same idiot policy being applied by the SNP in Scotland.

    Subsidising demand does nothing to help inflation when you have price pressures upstream.

    The SNP one is especially bonkers
    WEF stuff.
    Who’d want to run an Open All Hours type of corner shop in Scotland when this comes in ?
    Money-launderers.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,493
    eek said:

    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.

    Southampton have admitted to spying for fixtures against Oxford United in December 2025, Ipswich Town in April 2026 and Middlesbrough in May 2026.
    Spying on Oxford seems utterly bonkers given, Sheffield Wednesday aside obviously, they had the worst squad in the Championship.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186
    Taz said:

    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.

    True. Somewhat one dimensional and predictable.
    Vicente, Solis and Osman improved things away a bit, excellent first half at Norwich and deserved to win at Ipswich

    Legs in midfield, genuine pace and an out ball out wide.

    It ain't rocket science
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    edited May 19

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    His maths is surely bollocks. 5k times 96 does not equal 300k. Has the silly twat not noticed the increase from 60 members?

    If anything it makes his point better as well…although anyone paying two grand for a Windows laptop needs psychiatric help.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    eek said:

    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.

    Southampton have admitted to spying for fixtures against Oxford United in December 2025, Ipswich Town in April 2026 and Middlesbrough in May 2026.
    Oxford !!!!
  • eekeek Posts: 33,909

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    UK Treasury pushes supermarkets to cap food prices

    Retailers are said to be "furious" at the Government's effort, which is aimed at limiting the impact of inflation

    https://www.ft.com/content/85736371-40bc-4ec1-a502-4f557d3a68b0

    The government do realise that UK supermarkets are super competitive and margins are very slim and they already squeezed the hell out of suppliers.

    The same idiot policy being applied by the SNP in Scotland.

    Subsidising demand does nothing to help inflation when you have price pressures upstream.

    The SNP one is especially bonkers
    WEF stuff.
    Who’d want to run an Open All Hours type of corner shop in Scotland when this comes in ?
    Money-launderers.
    Good point - losing a few pence on a core product if you make £7 on a pack of dodgy cigerettes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    If the SNP do this, I have a plan

    Buys eggs in Sicily for, secretly transfer them to Malta and sells them in Scotland. And everyone gets a share.

    Then buy lamb chops in Scotland to sell in Sicily?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    Brixian59 said:

    Taz said:

    @Taz, half wonder if Southampton were spying on us when we played them at theirs given how badly they tore us to pieces in the first half.
    Mind you, we were so predictable away from home this season they probably didn't have to.

    True. Somewhat one dimensional and predictable.
    Vicente, Solis and Osman improved things away a bit, excellent first half at Norwich and deserved to win at Ipswich

    Legs in midfield, genuine pace and an out ball out wide.

    It ain't rocket science
    Chris Davies will need to do better next season.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited May 19
    ydoethur said:

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    His maths is surely bollocks. 5k times 96 does not equal 300k. Has the silly twat not noticed the increase from 60 members?

    If anything it makes his point better as well…
    I actually not sure those laptop are £2k each. I think you can get a run of the mill Surface Latop for just over £1000 (maybe they have bought the top of the range ones I suppose) and I would hope they have got a bulk buy discount. The joke was more about buying Windows machines.

    You can see the attraction of Macbook Neo though.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186
    nico67 said:

    What a costly mistake to make and really how much would filming a training session really help you .

    I have to feel for Southampton fans who must be devastated by this decision .

    Agreed fans suffer

    Although neither have big Away support.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186
    Cyclefree said:



    HYUFD said:

    Burnham's double whammy

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2056769036390633863

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham won’t commit to keeping Labour’s manifesto promises on tax and has opened the door to new tax rises if he becomes PM.

    His decision to back the current fiscal rules wins him a reprieve from markets, but it limits his options to fund policies like council house-building. It raises the prospect of tax hikes.

    Confirmation Burnham would restore the 50% additional rate income tax rate the Brown government introduced and Osborne scrapped. A Burnham government would also revise council tax bands to hit wealthy property owners more
    Do voters get a say in any of this? We elected Labour less than two years ago on a manifesto.

    If Labour MPs now want to fanny about implementing a completely different manifesto just to indulge the ego of someone who has not been an MP for the last 9 years and whose record as Mayor is rather less stellar than the PR spin would have you believe, then they should call an election and let us decide. The arrogant entitlement is sickening.
    Name the last Tory Government to follow manifesto.

    It's a fallacy.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    edited May 19

    ydoethur said:

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    His maths is surely bollocks. 5k times 96 does not equal 300k. Has the silly twat not noticed the increase from 60 members?

    If anything it makes his point better as well…
    I actually not sure those laptop are £2k each. I think you can get a run of the mill Surface Latop for just over £1000 and I would hope they have got a bulk buy discount. The joke was more about buying Windows machines.
    I wasn’t getting at you, sorry if that wasn’t clear!

    They cost about £900 plus VAT for run of the mill although high spec ones can nudge £1500.

    Ironically his overall figure might actually be quite close to correct if so!

    But you can get a MacBook Air for about that anyway. And Chromebooks are cheaper still.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    The Senedd have given each member two £2000 laptops and offered a £1000 phone on top. That's approximately £300k all together on devices used primarily for Google Chrome.

    https://x.com/Cai_ParryJones/status/2056766731717083262?s=20

    After conversion this morning....Windows Surface laptops.....absolutely disgraceful.....

    His maths is surely bollocks. 5k times 96 does not equal 300k. Has the silly twat not noticed the increase from 60 members?

    If anything it makes his point better as well…
    I actually not sure those laptop are £2k each. I think you can get a run of the mill Surface Latop for just over £1000 and I would hope they have got a bulk buy discount. The joke was more about buying Windows machines.
    I wasn’t getting at you, sorry if that wasn’t clear!

    They cost about £900 plus VAT for run of the mill although high spec ones can nudge £1500.

    Ironically his overall figure might actually be quite close to correct if so!
    Monitors and other accessories?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    algarkirk said:

    Saints kicked out of playoffs.

    Someone tipped Middlesborough for promotion here at 11/1 after the Saints victory. Great tip, but I didn't take it 🫣
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,186

    https://x.com/adavies4/status/2056772975945208236

    EXCL: Mark Drakeford, former Labour First Minister of Wales, calls on Keir Starmer to set a timetable to step down as Prime Minister and backs Andy Burnham

    Hilarious after he was part of the labour Welsh government that retained just 9 (Nine) seats out of 96 !!!!!!!!!!!!
    How many seats did Kemi's Tories retain?

    They didn't even have millstone of being in power.
    The Tories had a great night.

    Kemi said so.

    You can't argue with Kemi, she's always right.
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