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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    edited May 16
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    We've got one point, not sure who from.

    Ukraine
    Ok, we’ve managed the Eins, Zwei and Drei must be on their way.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    nico67 said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    10m
    Keir Starmer has told friends he intends to stand down as Prime Minister and set out an orderly timetable for his departure

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2055733998689665175

    Why would Starmer announce a timetable until after the by-election? This just doesn’t seem in his nature . He’ll hang on at least until then.
    Because if Starmer waits till Burnham wins the by-election before announcing his timetable, it will look like Burnham has forced him out rather than leaving on his own terms. That's the argument anyway.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,160

    Conversation I had at Tommy's Rally. After I took a photo, slightly too obviously, of a fairly well-dressed 50-ish guy - clearly drunk - lurching about, as a French girl denounced rapists onstage

    Him: "Are you a journalist then?"

    Me: "Yes. How did you guess?"

    Him: "Coz you're takin photos of me. I'm very drunk."

    Me: "I won't use them, I promise."

    Him: "S'OK. Dya know why I am here? Coz my best friend is Asian and and and my other friend is black and and and I came down from Manchester alone but but but, eh, I must look degenerate I know that"

    Me: "I promise I won't use photos."

    Him: "OK alright I - I - I - if my daughter found out i wuz here she wouldn't ever talk to me again but, but, but I can't just sit back and let it happen, they're taking the piss, all these people, on boats, d'you know how much tax I pay?"

    Me: "No."

    Him: "Four grand a month I've - I have - I earn a lot and - and - and - and if my company ever found out I was here that would be the end of me but you can't just do nothing can you? I've never been to anything like this in my life. Never. But, but, but look around there's no hate here, is there? No hate, we just- just - have to get a grip. They're taking the piss. We don't have any choice."

    We shook hands and separated. That rally was largely a cri de coeur from people like him. They are NOT racist, they are NOT filled with hate. They have had enough. Politicians that dismiss this as "mere racism" are insane

    lol

    What a mug paying all that tax. Assuming true.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,234
    rcs1000 said:

    Burnham played Brexit quite well in the interview I thought. I think he’s a shoe in

    I believe the term is "shoo in".
    Though he has put at least half one of his size 11s up Sir Useless. So he's a shoe in in that regard.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    boulay said:

    Weirdly the most famous Austrian hasn’t been referenced at Eurovision. An artist who wanted a unified Europe. Anyhoo.

    It is the old joke about Austria's greatest achievement being to convince the world Mozart was Austrian and Hitler German.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    "No one saw Bulgaria coming"

    Hmm.

    I think PB did.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    Foxy said:

    Bulgaria now favourite on BF

    Could all change with the public vote...
    I've only been watching the betting for about five minutes and it is all over the shop, presumably as punters overreact to each announcement. I could have made a fortune trading if I'd been awake and watching Eurovision.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    edited May 16
    Foxy said:

    Bulgaria now favourite on BF

    Could all change with the public vote...
    Indeed. Is there any point to the juries?

    Edit: Although Bulgaria song seems the type the public will love
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,725
    We're being humiliated again. I really hope this changes under Burnham.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    Hmm. There's a very slight sweet smell. Either I've caught diabetes again or someone is vaping outside.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 765
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @peterstefanovic.bsky.social‬

    Andy Burnham says he would ban VAR if he had the power

    "You can't celebrate a goal because you think someone, somewhere in an industrial unit is going to rule it out"

    https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3mlymh26hek2f

    I don’t want VAR banned. I want it used to allow Lampards goal in 2010 and rule out Maradonas in 1986. That’s it. Nothing more. Clear. Obvious . Errors.
    You know, we could offer the Malvinas to Argentina, in return for them handing back the 1986 World Cup on the basis it was awarded to them wrongly, and FIFA awarding it to us.

    That would be a fair trade, I think.
    One world cup for each home nation. Scotland will take France 98
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    We give France 12 points!
  • Taz said:

    Conversation I had at Tommy's Rally. After I took a photo, slightly too obviously, of a fairly well-dressed 50-ish guy - clearly drunk - lurching about, as a French girl denounced rapists onstage

    Him: "Are you a journalist then?"

    Me: "Yes. How did you guess?"

    Him: "Coz you're takin photos of me. I'm very drunk."

    Me: "I won't use them, I promise."

    Him: "S'OK. Dya know why I am here? Coz my best friend is Asian and and and my other friend is black and and and I came down from Manchester alone but but but, eh, I must look degenerate I know that"

    Me: "I promise I won't use photos."

    Him: "OK alright I - I - I - if my daughter found out i wuz here she wouldn't ever talk to me again but, but, but I can't just sit back and let it happen, they're taking the piss, all these people, on boats, d'you know how much tax I pay?"

    Me: "No."

    Him: "Four grand a month I've - I have - I earn a lot and - and - and - and if my company ever found out I was here that would be the end of me but you can't just do nothing can you? I've never been to anything like this in my life. Never. But, but, but look around there's no hate here, is there? No hate, we just- just - have to get a grip. They're taking the piss. We don't have any choice."

    We shook hands and separated. That rally was largely a cri de coeur from people like him. They are NOT racist, they are NOT filled with hate. They have had enough. Politicians that dismiss this as "mere racism" are insane

    lol

    What a mug paying all that tax. Assuming true.
    I think it was true, He was so pissed he was at that stage where you say anything to a stranger, and this was about 4pm

    They are not a great advert for the cause. But the pain is real and they feel it, and I imagine for everyone at that rally there are maybe 50 people behind them who feel roughly the same way but would not or could not ever go to a rally in London

    If there were 80,000 people there today (my guess) that means 4m voters. That is the potential, optimal vote for Restore (ie to the right, beyond Reform)

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357

    Foxy said:

    Bulgaria now favourite on BF

    Could all change with the public vote...
    Indeed. Is there any point to the juries?

    Edit: Although Bulgaria song seems the type the public will love
    Bulgaria odd-on; Israel second-favourite.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,200

    Conversation I had at Tommy's Rally. After I took a photo, slightly too obviously, of a fairly well-dressed 50-ish guy - clearly drunk - lurching about, as a French girl denounced rapists onstage

    Him: "Are you a journalist then?"

    Me: "Yes. How did you guess?"

    Him: "Coz you're takin photos of me. I'm very drunk."

    Me: "I won't use them, I promise."

    Him: "S'OK. Dya know why I am here? Coz my best friend is Asian and and and my other friend is black and and and I came down from Manchester alone but but but, eh, I must look degenerate I know that"

    Me: "I promise I won't use photos."

    Him: "OK alright I - I - I - if my daughter found out i wuz here she wouldn't ever talk to me again but, but, but I can't just sit back and let it happen, they're taking the piss, all these people, on boats, d'you know how much tax I pay?"

    Me: "No."

    Him: "Four grand a month I've - I have - I earn a lot and - and - and - and if my company ever found out I was here that would be the end of me but you can't just do nothing can you? I've never been to anything like this in my life. Never. But, but, but look around there's no hate here, is there? No hate, we just- just - have to get a grip. They're taking the piss. We don't have any choice."

    We shook hands and separated. That rally was largely a cri de coeur from people like him. They are NOT racist, they are NOT filled with hate. They have had enough. Politicians that dismiss this as "mere racism" are insane

    Can you earn that much as an Albanian taxi driver?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Bulgaria now clear favs
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    It’s bonkers how many of those tunes wouldn’t get in a top 40. Te Polish tune was sub M-people dreck.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,226
    Eabhal said:

    HYUFD said:

    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham

    Andy Burnham’s position on rejoining the EU now risks dominating his by-election fight

    Only 7 months ago he explicitly told Labour conference “I want to rejoin the EU”

    Tonight he tells ITV he wants to rejoin the EU in the future but that he doesn’t want to “advocate” it at this by-election

    That risks appearing inauthentic

    He seems to be trying to avoid the subject because the working class and Reform-leaning Makerfield constituency he’s running in voted heavily Leave in the Brexit referendum

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2055704894770696641

    Burnham knows he can't push rejoin the EU too hard or he loses Makerfield to Reform.

    Streeting however represents a seat that voted Remain and has shown some leg to Labour members today by saying he is committed to rejoining the EU. Thus if Burnham wins the by election and he and Streeting end up challenging Starmer for the Labour leadership and premiership Streeting has already out 'anti Brexited' Burnham on the EU while also trashing Starmer on his WFA cut to try and win swing voters amongst the general public.

    If Burnham loses the by election Streeting can then say he supported Burnham to be Labour's candidate, blame Starmer for the by election loss and say to Labour members 'vote for me to rejoin the EU unlike dithering Keir'
    The universal constant being the belief that fellating the EU is the answer to all our problems.

    It's weak, sordid and pathetic.
    Shoe's is on the other foot now. And with public sentiment as it is, you'll have to get used to it.
    If Burnham is running scared of the voters in Makerfield, and not willing to advocate to rejoin the EU, lest it interrupt his triumphant March on Westminster, then I would suggest it is a revealed preference of there being zero prospect of Britain rejoining the EU this side of 2050.

    It shows that public opinion hasn't really changed that much at all, that supposedly pro-EU politicians aren't willing to try to convince voters of the merits of rejoining the EU, that they know it's a vote loser in the country as a whole.

    They only mention it when they are talking to a pro-EU audience.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Bulgaria easily in the lead after the Jury Vote.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    DoctorG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @peterstefanovic.bsky.social‬

    Andy Burnham says he would ban VAR if he had the power

    "You can't celebrate a goal because you think someone, somewhere in an industrial unit is going to rule it out"

    https://bsky.app/profile/peterstefanovic.bsky.social/post/3mlymh26hek2f

    I don’t want VAR banned. I want it used to allow Lampards goal in 2010 and rule out Maradonas in 1986. That’s it. Nothing more. Clear. Obvious . Errors.
    You know, we could offer the Malvinas to Argentina, in return for them handing back the 1986 World Cup on the basis it was awarded to them wrongly, and FIFA awarding it to us.

    That would be a fair trade, I think.
    One world cup for each home nation. Scotland will take France 98
    1978 surely?

    We're on the march wi' Ally's Army
    We're going tae the Argentine
    And we'll really shake them up
    When we win the World Cup
    Cause Scotland is the greatest football team

    We're representing Britain
    And we're gaunny do or die
    England cannae dae it
    Cause they didnae qualify

    https://genius.com/Andy-cameron-allys-tartan-army-lyrics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcE86JmIN3E

    Rod Stewart did the official song which he once described as his favourite work.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,596
    edited May 16
    Reckon you should get that paying 4 grand a month in tax guy to go campaign in Hindley asap.
    Course they may ask him what he earns after tax as a follow up and conclude he lives in an entirely different world.
    And that his problems aren't particularly pressing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    UK get 0 points from the audience!

    :lol:

    :lol:
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    LOL
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357

    Bulgaria now clear favs

    Israel now favourites.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,866
    Moldova top (won't win though)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,866
    Foxy said:

    Moldova top (won't win though)

    Moldova robbed...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357

    Bulgaria now clear favs

    Israel now favourites.
    And now back to Bulgaria odds-on.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    Who knew Israel were so popular?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    Seven people injured after man drives car into pedestrians in northern Italy
    ...
    Police said the driver, in his 30s, had been arrested. He is also alleged to have attempted to stab a passerby who had tried to stop him from fleeing the scene.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/16/people-injured-car-crowd-modena-northern-italy
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    France to win?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865

    France to win?

    Maybe not
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    If you are totting up there are 35 x 58 = 2030 points available in this round, so the fewer points awarded the more left.

    No, it's beyond me.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380

    France to win?

    Nope
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    BULGARIA!!!!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    Well done Bulgaria first win 👍

    See you for Makerfield

    Goodnight 👍
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Yah! Bulgaria
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Yah! Bulgaria
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    Boombangaranga
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,866
    Justice done. Bulgaria a far better song.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Well I think we have this summer's party hit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Foxy said:

    Justice done. Bulgaria a far better song.

    It's certainly eurovision.

    No idea why this "came out of nowhere" as Norton keeps saying.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Foxy said:

    Justice done. Bulgaria a far better song.

    No, the Israeli entry was a much better song!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,866
    Pro_Rata said:

    If you are totting up there are 35 x 58 = 2030 points available in this round, so the fewer points awarded the more left.

    No, it's beyond me.

    35 countries plus RoW so 2088 I think.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    edited May 16
    Foxy said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    If you are totting up there are 35 x 58 = 2030 points available in this round, so the fewer points awarded the more left.

    No, it's beyond me.

    35 countries plus RoW so 2088 I think.
    There was no RoW vote tally.

    Belay that! There was!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,866

    Foxy said:

    Justice done. Bulgaria a far better song.

    No, the Israeli entry was a much better song!
    The Italian was the best song.

    Thats 2 years in a row that Eurovision was nearly astroturfed into destruction.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,883
    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15824173/Mandelson-tells-friends-backs-Streeting-Labour-leader.html

    Peter Mandelson tells friends he backs Wes Streeting for Labour leader
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    Wes Streeting tells friends ‘Ffs, not now Peter!’
    “Peter’s friends” is a film not a reference.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,242
    boulay said:

    Wes Streeting tells friends ‘Ffs, not now Peter!’
    “Peter’s friends” is a film not a reference.
    Is friend of Peter the new friend of Dorothy?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    "Thanks for nothing, Pete!"
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,784
    Callaghan announcing the election in 1979. It's fascinating to think what would have happened if he had won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiY38X9pciI
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,473

    boulay said:

    Weirdly the most famous Austrian hasn’t been referenced at Eurovision. An artist who wanted a unified Europe. Anyhoo.

    It is the old joke about Austria's greatest achievement being to convince the world Mozart was Austrian and Hitler German.
    Mozart *was* Austrian...born in Salzburg. Beethoven, however was born in Bonn.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,784
    edited May 17
    Some of you may remember "Moviedrome", a BBC late-night arthouse/cult film slot curated by Alex Cox and (later) Mark Cousins. A YouTuber is keeping up the tradition and here's his review of "In The Loop", the sidequel (right word?) film to the "The Thick of It" TV series

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TDKFC1xeMM
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    viewcode said:

    Callaghan announcing the election in 1979. It's fascinating to think what would have happened if he had won.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiY38X9pciI

    No lectern. Noomy phones.

    "Nor can we be complacent about Scottish devolution."

    "As for food prices I'm quite convinced that we should be able to make progress in ending some of the foolish and expensive aspects of the Common Market agricultural policy in the next Parliament"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491
    viewcode said:

    Some of you may remember "Moviedrome", a BBC late-night arthouse/cult film slot curated by Alex Cox and (later) Mark Cousins. A YouTuber is keeping up the tradition and here's his review of "In The Loop", the sidequel (right word?) film to the "The Thick of It" TV series

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TDKFC1xeMM

    Best swearing in any movie. Ever.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491
    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,435
    Rawnsley on the current state of affairs:

    If you are going to topple a prime minister, then it is usually for the best to perform the operation ruthlessly and at speed. [But] Labour’s convulsions about whether and how to navigate to a post-Starmer world will be extremely protracted and highly perilous.

    One danger is that the conflict in the Middle East delivers an economic shock and a new anti-Labour legend is born that the party wrecked people’s standard of living because its members were too busy feuding with each other to govern.

    One blunder was made by Sir Keir’s team when they sent him out to make a “fightback” speech that was devoid of any inspirational content. The next miscalculation was made by Mr Streeting who wrongly assumed that Sir Keir would fold under the weight of the demands to quit. And so all eyes now turn northwards to Andy Burnham, the messiah of Manchester. Fighting a byelection is a high-risk, high-reward gamble. If it comes off, his march on the leadership may start to look irresistible. “I think Andy is on his way,” says one cabinet member who has fought fiercely to keep Sir Keir at Number 10. Mr Burnham will be running on the unofficial slogan: Vote Labour. Get Starmer Out.

    Listening to Labour people, I hear many of them say that Sir Keir is circling the plughole and the ideal outcome will be to have a new leader in place in time for the party conference in September. Maybe just another four months of toil and trouble to go then – all going to plan. If it be done, it will be done agonisingly slowly.



    Personally I still think the logic, if he wins the by-election convincingly, points to a rapid coronation in the summer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,399

    UK get 0 points from the audience!

    :lol:

    :lol:

    We should ask Ireland if we can borrow My Lovely Horse next year....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,399
    edited May 17
    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 41,035

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,376
    Andy The Party Comes First Burnham 2015 Labour leadership contest on Newnight.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33173058

    Perhaps Liz Kendal might recall her response.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492
    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,593
    rcs1000 said:

    Burnham played Brexit quite well in the interview I thought. I think he’s a shoe in

    I believe the term is "shoo in".
    No mistake goes unpunished on pb.com.

    Unless he mean Burnham already has a shoe in through the door of No.10, which could sorta work.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492

    rcs1000 said:

    Burnham played Brexit quite well in the interview I thought. I think he’s a shoe in

    I believe the term is "shoo in".
    No mistake goes unpunished on pb.com.

    Unless he mean Burnham already has a shoe in through the door of No.10, which could sorta work.
    He’s definitely putting the boot in. Does that count?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,593
    @boulay was spot on. Good work!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,965
    The Bulgarian song was written by the singer with one Norwegian and two Greeks, so a good model of European collaboration. Good Eurovision song, but I still think Moldova should’ve won.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,467
    Taz said:

    Conversation I had at Tommy's Rally. After I took a photo, slightly too obviously, of a fairly well-dressed 50-ish guy - clearly drunk - lurching about, as a French girl denounced rapists onstage

    Him: "Are you a journalist then?"

    Me: "Yes. How did you guess?"

    Him: "Coz you're takin photos of me. I'm very drunk."

    Me: "I won't use them, I promise."

    Him: "S'OK. Dya know why I am here? Coz my best friend is Asian and and and my other friend is black and and and I came down from Manchester alone but but but, eh, I must look degenerate I know that"

    Me: "I promise I won't use photos."

    Him: "OK alright I - I - I - if my daughter found out i wuz here she wouldn't ever talk to me again but, but, but I can't just sit back and let it happen, they're taking the piss, all these people, on boats, d'you know how much tax I pay?"

    Me: "No."

    Him: "Four grand a month I've - I have - I earn a lot and - and - and - and if my company ever found out I was here that would be the end of me but you can't just do nothing can you? I've never been to anything like this in my life. Never. But, but, but look around there's no hate here, is there? No hate, we just- just - have to get a grip. They're taking the piss. We don't have any choice."

    We shook hands and separated. That rally was largely a cri de coeur from people like him. They are NOT racist, they are NOT filled with hate. They have had enough. Politicians that dismiss this as "mere racism" are insane

    lol

    What a mug paying all that tax. Assuming true.
    how could you avoid it Taz, assuming you are PAYE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    edited May 17
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
    It's a demonstration that kowtowing to Trump only irregularly isn't enough.

    And if you actively vote against him, as Massie (who is as conservative as they come) has over the Epstein files, they will spare no effort to destroy you.

    The Thomas Massie primary is truly insane. We are looking at the most expensive U.S. House primary in history, with spending pushing toward $35 million.

    Massie's opponent, Ed Gallrein, has raised just $2 million on his own. The rest of the money, over $14 million, is coming from outside Super PACs who desperately want Massie gone.

    On top of that, Pete Hegseth is being deployed to Kentucky to campaign against him. Stephen Miller & Con Inc. have been on massive Twitter tirades attacking him. And there was a highly coordinated smear campaign of unfounded allegations launched this week by Con Inc. influencers.

    When the establishment is willing to spend $35M+ and go to these lengths to take one man down, it really makes you wonder why.

    Whether you like Massie or not, this election will determine whether or not we as voters actually have a voice anymore. If outside special-interest money can successfully buy a seat and sway an election like this, we have a serious, serious problem.

    https://x.com/cabsav456/status/2055761617485509092

    (Incidentally, it's illegal for Hegseth to be campaigning like this while in office.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,930
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
    It's a demonstration that kowtowing to Trump only irregularly isn't enough.

    And if you actively vote against him, as Massie (who is as conservative as they come) has over the Epstein files, they will spare no effort to destroy you.

    The Thomas Massie primary is truly insane. We are looking at the most expensive U.S. House primary in history, with spending pushing toward $35 million.

    Massie's opponent, Ed Gallrein, has raised just $2 million on his own. The rest of the money, over $14 million, is coming from outside Super PACs who desperately want Massie gone.

    On top of that, Pete Hegseth is being deployed to Kentucky to campaign against him. Stephen Miller & Con Inc. have been on massive Twitter tirades attacking him. And there was a highly coordinated smear campaign of unfounded allegations launched this week by Con Inc. influencers.

    When the establishment is willing to spend $35M+ and go to these lengths to take one man down, it really makes you wonder why.

    Whether you like Massie or not, this election will determine whether or not we as voters actually have a voice anymore. If outside special-interest money can successfully buy a seat and sway an election like this, we have a serious, serious problem.

    https://x.com/cabsav456/status/2055761617485509092

    (Incidentally, it's illegal for Hegseth to be campaigning like this while in office.)
    Good morning, everyone.

    Be fair. It's not like Hegseth has anything else to do at the moment,
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
    It's a demonstration that kowtowing to Trump only irregularly isn't enough.

    And if you actively vote against him, as Massie (who is as conservative as they come) has over the Epstein files, they will spare no effort to destroy you.

    The Thomas Massie primary is truly insane. We are looking at the most expensive U.S. House primary in history, with spending pushing toward $35 million.

    Massie's opponent, Ed Gallrein, has raised just $2 million on his own. The rest of the money, over $14 million, is coming from outside Super PACs who desperately want Massie gone.

    On top of that, Pete Hegseth is being deployed to Kentucky to campaign against him. Stephen Miller & Con Inc. have been on massive Twitter tirades attacking him. And there was a highly coordinated smear campaign of unfounded allegations launched this week by Con Inc. influencers.

    When the establishment is willing to spend $35M+ and go to these lengths to take one man down, it really makes you wonder why.

    Whether you like Massie or not, this election will determine whether or not we as voters actually have a voice anymore. If outside special-interest money can successfully buy a seat and sway an election like this, we have a serious, serious problem.

    https://x.com/cabsav456/status/2055761617485509092

    (Incidentally, it's illegal for Hegseth to be campaigning like this while in office.)
    It’s also caused a breach with Lauren Boebert.

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-blasts-weak-minded-lauren-boebert-for-supporting-thomas-massie/ar-AA23mXSI
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,399
    edited May 17
    Truly remarkable finish to yesterday's acts at the Dart Music Festival.

    Kissmet - Bhangra/rock fusion. Everyone, from the front of the crowd to the back, arm-waving, jumping, going off their heads to two Sikhs and couple of other rockers belting out 2,000 year old lyrics in Sanksrit.

    What a night!

    https://www.kissmet.co.uk/

    Born in Peterborough, every Thursday night they used to listen to Top of the Pops. And thought the theme music was "their music!". So last night as well as ancient Sanskrit, we got the Bhangra version of Whole Lotta Love...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,965

    Truly remarkable finish to yesterday's acts at the Dart Music Festival.

    Kissmet - Bhangra/rock fusion. Everyone, from the front of the crowd to the back, arm-waving, jumping, going off their heads to two Sikhs and couple of other rockers belting out 2,000 year old lyrics in Sanksrit.

    What a night!

    https://www.kissmet.co.uk/

    Born in Peterborough, every Thursday night they used to listen to Top of the Pops. And thought the theme music was "their music!". So last night as well as ancient Sanskrit, we got the Bhangra version of Whole Lotta Love...

    They should do a bhangra version of “Bangaranga”.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,399
    edited May 17

    Truly remarkable finish to yesterday's acts at the Dart Music Festival.

    Kissmet - Bhangra/rock fusion. Everyone, from the front of the crowd to the back, arm-waving, jumping, going off their heads to two Sikhs and couple of other rockers belting out 2,000 year old lyrics in Sanksrit.

    What a night!

    https://www.kissmet.co.uk/

    Born in Peterborough, every Thursday night they used to listen to Top of the Pops. And thought the theme music was "their music!". So last night as well as ancient Sanskrit, we got the Bhangra version of Whole Lotta Love...

    They should do a bhangra version of “Bangaranga”.
    Bhangaranga. Eurovision tribute act.

    Will mention it to the delightfully named Ron Singh....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
    It's a demonstration that kowtowing to Trump only irregularly isn't enough.

    And if you actively vote against him, as Massie (who is as conservative as they come) has over the Epstein files, they will spare no effort to destroy you.

    The Thomas Massie primary is truly insane. We are looking at the most expensive U.S. House primary in history, with spending pushing toward $35 million.

    Massie's opponent, Ed Gallrein, has raised just $2 million on his own. The rest of the money, over $14 million, is coming from outside Super PACs who desperately want Massie gone.

    On top of that, Pete Hegseth is being deployed to Kentucky to campaign against him. Stephen Miller & Con Inc. have been on massive Twitter tirades attacking him. And there was a highly coordinated smear campaign of unfounded allegations launched this week by Con Inc. influencers.

    When the establishment is willing to spend $35M+ and go to these lengths to take one man down, it really makes you wonder why.

    Whether you like Massie or not, this election will determine whether or not we as voters actually have a voice anymore. If outside special-interest money can successfully buy a seat and sway an election like this, we have a serious, serious problem.

    https://x.com/cabsav456/status/2055761617485509092

    (Incidentally, it's illegal for Hegseth to be campaigning like this while in office.)
    Good morning, everyone.

    Be fair. It's not like Hegseth has anything else to do at the moment,
    I think I would probably be wanting him campaigning against me than for me but I may be misjudging the electorate.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,357
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Burnham played Brexit quite well in the interview I thought. I think he’s a shoe in

    I believe the term is "shoo in".
    No mistake goes unpunished on pb.com.

    Unless he mean Burnham already has a shoe in through the door of No.10, which could sorta work.
    He’s definitely putting the boot in. Does that count?
    Thing is, shoe-in does work if we consider a football derivation, which might be why it is gaining popularity as an alternative to the older, mainstream shoo-in. It would also explain why American lexicographers can make no sense of it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    IanB2 said:

    Rawnsley on the current state of affairs:

    If you are going to topple a prime minister, then it is usually for the best to perform the operation ruthlessly and at speed. [But] Labour’s convulsions about whether and how to navigate to a post-Starmer world will be extremely protracted and highly perilous.

    One danger is that the conflict in the Middle East delivers an economic shock and a new anti-Labour legend is born that the party wrecked people’s standard of living because its members were too busy feuding with each other to govern.

    One blunder was made by Sir Keir’s team when they sent him out to make a “fightback” speech that was devoid of any inspirational content. The next miscalculation was made by Mr Streeting who wrongly assumed that Sir Keir would fold under the weight of the demands to quit. And so all eyes now turn northwards to Andy Burnham, the messiah of Manchester. Fighting a byelection is a high-risk, high-reward gamble. If it comes off, his march on the leadership may start to look irresistible. “I think Andy is on his way,” says one cabinet member who has fought fiercely to keep Sir Keir at Number 10. Mr Burnham will be running on the unofficial slogan: Vote Labour. Get Starmer Out.

    Listening to Labour people, I hear many of them say that Sir Keir is circling the plughole and the ideal outcome will be to have a new leader in place in time for the party conference in September. Maybe just another four months of toil and trouble to go then – all going to plan. If it be done, it will be done agonisingly slowly.



    Personally I still think the logic, if he wins the by-election convincingly, points to a rapid coronation in the summer.

    I agree. If he wins the by election, I will be very surprised if anyone else can get enough nominations to stand against him and I don't think Starmer, who doesn't need nominations, will because he would be humiliated. So, it all turns on the by election.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
    This is slightly unusual though.
    It's apparently well over a decade since an (elected) incumbent Senator lost their primary.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    Quiet here this morning.
    Is everyone nursing Eurovision hangovers ?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,356
    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
    True.

    We clearly need to adopt other Russian governmental methods here, not just opinion polling, until the government gets an electorate it deserves.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,930
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
    True.

    We clearly need to adopt other Russian governmental methods here, not just opinion polling, until the government gets an electorate it deserves.
    So, what you're saying is we need to abolish the jury of public opinion?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
    True.

    We clearly need to adopt other Russian governmental methods here, not just opinion polling, until the government gets an electorate it deserves.
    What is door stepping called, when it’s done with windows?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    Talking of the byelection is there no polling this morning? I thought that there might be.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
    True.

    We clearly need to adopt other Russian governmental methods here, not just opinion polling, until the government gets an electorate it deserves.
    What is door stepping called, when it’s done with windows?
    defenstration.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,141
    For all those waxing lyrical about Kemi a moment of reflection needed

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC4rHRMwiOY
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,883

    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
    True.

    We clearly need to adopt other Russian governmental methods here, not just opinion polling, until the government gets an electorate it deserves.
    What is door stepping called, when it’s done with windows?
    You could automate the process with drones that hover outside people's windows and ask them whether they support the government.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Justice done. Bulgaria a far better song.

    No, the Israeli entry was a much better song!
    The Italian was the best song.

    Thats 2 years in a row that Eurovision was nearly astroturfed into destruction.
    The Sunilist jury gave:

    Israel 4 votes
    Ukraine 3 votes
    Australia 2 votes
    France 1 vote
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,260
    Could anyone confirm that a new leader has to be confirmed at Conference so if they miss this one, it’s another year of this.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,356
    Here is a rare piece of good news from the world today.

    After decades of shrinking and ecological catastrophe, part of the Aral Sea is expanding and coming back to life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67EApBM8hUI
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492
    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    Fishing said:

    ***** POLLING METHODOLOGY POST ******

    I know we're not meant to criticise the British Polling Council on here, but I must say I think it gets everything wrong with its obsession with unbiased samples and consistent methodologies.

    How on earth are pollsters supposed to guarantee the right answer in every poll?

    They do it much better in Russia.

    There, because Putin's approval ratings have been dropping from around 80% to 65% in opinion polls. So the state pollster quite correctly and appropriately changed the methodology from only phone surveys to include door to door interviews.

    Because there's nothing better calculated to get an objective response in a dictatorship than a government employees turning up at your door and asking what you think of the dictator, obviously.

    https://meduza.io/en/news/2026/05/15/russia-s-state-pollster-changed-its-methodology-and-also-started-going-door-to-door-to-ask-people-whether-they-support-putin-the-president-s-rating-immediately-went-up

    Starmer missed a huge trick here.

    We are far behind the Russians on this and really need to catch up.

    I don't imagine the doorstep reaction here would be quite so accommodating.
    True.

    We clearly need to adopt other Russian governmental methods here, not just opinion polling, until the government gets an electorate it deserves.
    That would be much Brechter.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Ouch in Louisiana: Bill Cassidy didn't even make the Senate primary run off.

    "Cassidy’s bid to win the Republican party’s nomination for a third term in the deep-red state was imperiled by his decision to vote in favor of Trump’s conviction after the January 6 insurrection. In what was widely seen as an effort to rehabilitate his standing with the president, Cassidy last year cast the deciding vote to advance vaccine skeptic Robert F Kennedy Jr’s nomination to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, flying in the face of the senator’s support for immunizations and training as a physician."

    He deserved to lose for inflicting RFK Jr on America.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/may/17/republican-louisiana-senator-bill-cassidy-results-primary-trump
    I presume that Julia Letlow is a sufficiently loony to win the backing of Trump and his supporters.
    Cassidy was no saint. Somebody with real integrity would have stared down RFK Jr as well as Mushroom Shaped.

    But it’s not a stretch to say that while many Republicans the Peroxide Pervert is forcing out are not much good, their replacements are a whole lot worse.
    This is slightly unusual though.
    It's apparently well over a decade since an (elected) incumbent Senator lost their primary.
    And several are now doing so as the MAGA revolution eats its children.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492
    Battlebus said:

    Could anyone confirm that a new leader has to be confirmed at Conference so if they miss this one, it’s another year of this.

    No. It can be done at conference, but a special conference can (and usually is) called.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,965
    kjh said:

    Conversation I had at Tommy's Rally. After I took a photo, slightly too obviously, of a fairly well-dressed 50-ish guy - clearly drunk - lurching about, as a French girl denounced rapists onstage

    Him: "Are you a journalist then?"

    Me: "Yes. How did you guess?"

    Him: "Coz you're takin photos of me. I'm very drunk."

    Me: "I won't use them, I promise."

    Him: "S'OK. Dya know why I am here? Coz my best friend is Asian and and and my other friend is black and and and I came down from Manchester alone but but but, eh, I must look degenerate I know that"

    Me: "I promise I won't use photos."

    Him: "OK alright I - I - I - if my daughter found out i wuz here she wouldn't ever talk to me again but, but, but I can't just sit back and let it happen, they're taking the piss, all these people, on boats, d'you know how much tax I pay?"

    Me: "No."

    Him: "Four grand a month I've - I have - I earn a lot and - and - and - and if my company ever found out I was here that would be the end of me but you can't just do nothing can you? I've never been to anything like this in my life. Never. But, but, but look around there's no hate here, is there? No hate, we just- just - have to get a grip. They're taking the piss. We don't have any choice."

    We shook hands and separated. That rally was largely a cri de coeur from people like him. They are NOT racist, they are NOT filled with hate. They have had enough. Politicians that dismiss this as "mere racism" are insane

    There was me thinking Tommy Robinson was a racist. I didn't realise he was just an ordinary chap, fed up with all the boat people. Silly me.
    That tax he pays, hardly any of it goes on people who have come over on boats. It goes on the NHS, pensions, schools etc. But he'll think its all going on boat people.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,492

    kjh said:

    Conversation I had at Tommy's Rally. After I took a photo, slightly too obviously, of a fairly well-dressed 50-ish guy - clearly drunk - lurching about, as a French girl denounced rapists onstage

    Him: "Are you a journalist then?"

    Me: "Yes. How did you guess?"

    Him: "Coz you're takin photos of me. I'm very drunk."

    Me: "I won't use them, I promise."

    Him: "S'OK. Dya know why I am here? Coz my best friend is Asian and and and my other friend is black and and and I came down from Manchester alone but but but, eh, I must look degenerate I know that"

    Me: "I promise I won't use photos."

    Him: "OK alright I - I - I - if my daughter found out i wuz here she wouldn't ever talk to me again but, but, but I can't just sit back and let it happen, they're taking the piss, all these people, on boats, d'you know how much tax I pay?"

    Me: "No."

    Him: "Four grand a month I've - I have - I earn a lot and - and - and - and if my company ever found out I was here that would be the end of me but you can't just do nothing can you? I've never been to anything like this in my life. Never. But, but, but look around there's no hate here, is there? No hate, we just- just - have to get a grip. They're taking the piss. We don't have any choice."

    We shook hands and separated. That rally was largely a cri de coeur from people like him. They are NOT racist, they are NOT filled with hate. They have had enough. Politicians that dismiss this as "mere racism" are insane

    There was me thinking Tommy Robinson was a racist. I didn't realise he was just an ordinary chap, fed up with all the boat people. Silly me.
    That tax he pays, hardly any of it goes on people who have come over on boats. It goes on the NHS, pensions, schools etc. But he'll think its all going on boat people.
    I would have thought quite a lot of it goes on his policing costs and court cases.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,818
    From the Tiny Tom rally yesterday.

    https://x.com/MiddleEastEye/status/2055809397457379450
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,883
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2055922393600737722

    New: Lisa Nandy criticises Andy Burnham and Wes Streeting for saying the UK should rejoin the EU

    Nandy says Labour should resist “reopening the Brexit wars” and that she finds Streeting’s call to rejoin yesterday “a bit odd”

    She tells Sky: “If rejoining the EU is the answer, then essentially what we're saying to people is life was fine in 2015”
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