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It won’t be Coronation Burnham but it could be Coronation Streeting? – politicalbetting.com

Wes Streeting confirms he will stand if Labour leadership race is triggeredEx-health secretary sets out fledgling policy platform – including call for new special relationship with EUwww.theguardian.com/politics/202…

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  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    Top two like Burnham
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Top two like Burnham

    In the by election?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    DavidL said:

    Top two like Burnham

    In the by election?
    Absolutely.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16
    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
  • I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    edited May 16
    Streeting has announced he will be a Labour leadership candidate now so if Burnham loses the by election he will be in prime position to be the main candidate to challenge Starmer (Burnham's defeat would also be a blow to his ally Rayner). If Burnham wins the by election though he would easily beat Streeting and Starmer with Labour members.

    Am not sure Streeting's rejoin the EU ultimately platform is the best way to win back the redwall though, even Starmer might be better able to hold those seats given he has never said since we left the EU we should rejoin, only have a closer relationship with the block. Streeting is hoping clear blue water with Starmer on reversing Brexit would help him win over enough Labour members to beat Starmer I suspect if Burnham loses the by election. Streeting also condemned the winter fuel cut and humiliating u turn, again distancing himself from the PM. He would want to squeeze the LD and Green vote with his reverse Brexit agenda if he became Labour leader to beat Reform and the Tories and hope his apology for the WFA cut wins him swing voters.

    Note Streeting again warned Farage as PM would see the UK break up, matching his claim last week Reform are an English nationalist party (despite the fact Reform were second in Scotland and Wales in the devolved parliament elections this month and even polled higher in Wales than England in the local elections)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    Wake me up when they get to penalties.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Oh, well - City score!
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 765
    Gooooooal

    Chelsea don't really deserve to be behind, but that was some finish
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 765
    FPT/FAO Leon

    Currently 9 degrees C in Scotland, hurry up Tues/Wednesday when it gets warmer. Akureyri in Iceland 60 miles from the Arctic circle is 3 degrees warmer.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    Is this about the Labour leadership?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    Your puns get worse and worse.

    Bring back Punishing Percy Sugden.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    This is proper shithousery from Streeting, I can applaud this type of shithousery.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    https://x.com/aaronbastani/status/2055672606431322468

    Makerfield by-election is historic for Labour. Lose & they’re headed for destruction. Easily most important by-election since 1922 (Newport!)

    A leave voting constituency. So Wes Streeting says he wants to rejoin the EU with a month to go.

    Do they want to kill the party?!!
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 998
    HYUFD said:

    Streeting has announced he will be a Labour leadership candidate now so if Burnham loses the by election he will be in prime position to be the main candidate to challenge Starmer (Burnham's defeat would also be a blow to his ally Rayner). If Burnham wins the by election though he would easily beat Streeting and Starmer with Labour members.

    Am not sure Streeting's rejoin the EU ultimately platform is the best way to win back the redwall though, even Starmer might be better able to hold those seats given he has never said since we left the EU we should rejoin, only have a closer relationship with the block. Streeting is hoping clear blue water with Starmer on reversing Brexit would help him win over enough Labour members to beat Starmer I suspect if Burnham loses the by election. Streeting also condemned the winter fuel cut and humiliating u turn, again distancing himself from the PM. He would want to squeeze the LD and Green vote with his reverse Brexit agenda if he became Labour leader to beat Reform and the Tories and hope his apology for the WFA cut wins him swing voters.

    Note Streeting again warned Farage as PM would see the UK break up, matching his claim last week Reform are an English nationalist party (despite the fact Reform were second in Scotland and Wales in the devolved parliament elections this month and even polled higher in Wales than England in the local elections)

    It's an interesting position, and is worded so that the commitment can be as firm (or not) as required. Ruthless little sh1t indeed! Go Wes, young man!
  • Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    This is all about making sure Burnham's not able to stand.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    Isn't Burnham just Starmer with mascara and a faux Northern accent?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    This is all about making sure Burnham's not able to stand.
    If Burnham can navigate around this to victory anyway then that will just further show his quality. Big if.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    edited May 16

    Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    He might as enough Labour MPs might want to have a debate about policies and direction rather than a coronation of King Andy.

    I also think enough Lab MPs won’t want Burnham to think he’s the best thing since David Attenborough* so will want to hold his feet to the fire a bit.

    IMHO he is only out hyped by the band Angine de Poitrine who music writers are wetting their pants over but are actually really shit.

    *David Attenborough is apparently older than sliced bread.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,798
    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
  • Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    This is all about making sure Burnham's not able to stand.
    Then Wes is leading to a Reform government.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    Newcastle should be happy, you used the money to buy a load of excellent players and improve your position in the league compared to last year.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    Just looking at the past 15 years. It used to be basically the full 90,000 in 2010-2015. Seems to drop to 85k (is that some change in number of available seats for FA Cup?) and then dropped fruther to 83k.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    Newcastle should be happy, you used the money to buy a load of excellent players and improve your position in the league compared to last year.
    We've been turboshit and the season has been terrible but at least Isak is still made of glass so there's always a silver lining.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    City beat Chelsea 1-0!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    Newcastle should be happy, you used the money to buy a load of excellent players and improve your position in the league compared to last year.
    We've been turboshit and the season has been terrible but at least Isak is still made of glass so there's always a silver lining.
    That's why Newcastle have only won one trophy in 60 years.

    Small club mentality
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    lol, and what did your lot do with the Isak money.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    edited May 16

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    Newcastle should be happy, you used the money to buy a load of excellent players and improve your position in the league compared to last year.
    Indeed. £50 million for Wissa and £65 million for Woltemade is money well spent.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    Newcastle should be happy, you used the money to buy a load of excellent players and improve your position in the league compared to last year.
    Indeed. £50 million for Wissa and £65 million for Woltemade is money well spent.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yet they claim higher commercial revenue than United and Liverpool.

    There is not a chance in hell either United nor Liverpool would ever have an empty seat at Wembley for any match, yet City with that huge commercial deal, presumably as they have fans everywhere, regularly cannto get close to selling it out.

    Suggests to me that City have far fewer supporters than the commercial deals they sign suggest, maybe the Premier should look into that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Given I keep hearing about how well Manchester has done under Burnham aren't they all rolling in dosh?

    Maybe I just haven't noticed past few years, but I genuinely thought FA Cup final was a sell out every year. Looking at attendance number (unless something has changed about how many ticket they make available) that hasn't been the case for quite a while.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    edited May 16

    Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    This is all about making sure Burnham's not able to stand.
    If Burnham wins the by election and beats Reform of course he will stand, if he loses though Streeting will be in prime position to challenge the PM.

    To hold Makerfield in 63% Leave Wigan Burnham will have to distance himself from Streeting and refuse to back a full rejoin of the EU. Streeting has the luxury that his Ilford North seat is in Redbridge which was 54% Remain in 2016
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    What a fantastic finish. He is probably the buy of the season. Bastards.

    He scored twice against Liverpool in the first premier league game of the season. In hindsight, that told us quite a lot about how the season would unfold.
    What kills me is that Liverpool were linked in the summer with Semenyo, Cherki and Guehi and we could have bought all three for less than the cost of Isak.
    What a shame
    Newcastle should be happy, you used the money to buy a load of excellent players and improve your position in the league compared to last year.
    We've been turboshit and the season has been terrible but at least Isak is still made of glass so there's always a silver lining.
    That's why Newcastle have only won one trophy in 60 years.

    Small club mentality
    Well, we are a smaller club than Liverpool.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    This is brilliant from Bill Maher.

    https://x.com/billmaher/status/2055483964023099847
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Given I keep hearing about how well Manchester has done under Burnham aren't they all rolling in dosh?

    Maybe I just haven't noticed past few years, but I genuinely thought FA Cup was a sell out every year. Looking at attendance number (unless something has changed about how many ticket they make available) that hasn't been the case for quite a while.
    There are in reality very few of them, mostly from the Stockport area.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,873
    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yet they claim higher commercial revenue than United and Liverpool.

    There is not a chance in hell either United nor Liverpool would ever have an empty seat at Wembley for any match, yet City with that huge commercial deal, presumably as they have fans everywhere, regularly cannto get close to selling it out.

    Suggests to me that City have far fewer supporters than the commercial deals they sign suggest, maybe the Premier should look into that.
    They are.

    I mean I had to laugh my head off when Man City claimed a bigger sponsorship deal of not only Liverpool & Manchester United but of Real Madrid.

    It's remarkable what you can do when you're owned by a nation.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Streeting has gone up in my estimation!

    He seems after the earlier fiasco to be more cunning . Get the conversation onto the EU which Burnham is desperate to avoid .
  • Amidst the Tommy fash rally you see the odd bewildered tourist asking what’s going on and looking mildly hopeful that a royal is going to appear
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003
    nico67 said:

    Streeting has gone up in my estimation!

    He seems after the earlier fiasco to be more cunning . Get the conversation onto the EU which Burnham is desperate to avoid .

    Four weeks before the election.

    Surely much more sensible to have gone down this route in the final week.

    Unless of course he has plans for more to drive the discussion over the next couple of weeks.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Would the best thing for Burnham be a strong Restore candidate to try and split the Reform friendly vote?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    How is the cup final not totally sold out?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    Theres unlikely to be a leadership race if Burnham wins . Streeting saying he’d be part of one is I think just performative. There will be huge pressure on any candidates to not go forward and allow a coronation.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    Sandpit said:

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    How is the cup final not totally sold out?
    Probably because tickets are hundreds of pounds and the train from Manchester to London even more so
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959

    Sandpit said:

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    How is the cup final not totally sold out?
    Probably because tickets are hundreds of pounds and the train from Manchester to London even more so
    Sounds like US World Cup will go fantastically well....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878

    Would the best thing for Burnham be a strong Restore candidate to try and split the Reform friendly vote?

    Yes, with Tommy Robinson backing the Restore candidate
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    Sandpit said:

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    How is the cup final not totally sold out?
    Probably because tickets are hundreds of pounds and the train from Manchester to London even more so
    I think having the Semi-finals at Wembley hasn’t helped either as fans have to largely choose the Semi or risk waiting for the final which financially knocks out potential fans for the final.
  • Oooooh

    Yesterday I stood in the exact spot where, according to Bede, Paulinus converted the Northumbrian people to Christianity - in the summer of 627AD: thereby baptising England

    Today in Parliament Square…
  • kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    It’s a nightmare for Burnham
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,783

    This is brilliant from Bill Maher.

    https://x.com/billmaher/status/2055483964023099847

    I'm in the shop doing the big shop and the link won't resolve. What is the reactionary old tart saying now?
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 508
    Sandpit said:

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    How is the cup final not totally sold out?
    It may be a sell out and still have lower attendance. The attendance is the number who actually turn up. If a ticket holder is ill, misses the train or whatever, they don't count.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 581
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    Theres unlikely to be a leadership race if Burnham wins . Streeting saying he’d be part of one is I think just performative. There will be huge pressure on any candidates to not go forward and allow a coronation.
    I'm sure the voters will be totally content with a new PM without mandate or even a debate in the party.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16

    Sandpit said:

    Wake me up when they get to penalties.

    I thank you.....
    Attendance only 800 less than last year.
    How is the cup final not totally sold out?
    It may be a sell out and still have lower attendance. The attendance is the number who actually turn up. If a ticket holder is ill, misses the train or whatever, they don't count.
    It was 83,000, the capacity is 90,000. If you look at 2009-2015, they were getting 89,xxx every year i.e. exactly what you are talking about, a few hundred who could make it despite having a ticket. But 7,000 empty seats that suggests they have shifted all the tickets.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,520
    edited May 16
    Some may be interested.

    A paper published by a friend in the active travel niche, who became disabled in 2020 in her 30s, reflecting on her experiences using cycling, and here wheelchair and motor vehicle, in daily transport, over 20 years, in her family with 4 children, of whom 2 are disabled. I find it interesting on the large impact of small (to the rest of us) inconveniences.

    For a paper it is a fairly easy read, but it is about 5000-6000 words.

    https://activetravelstudies.org/article/id/1923/

    One example:
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    viewcode said:

    This is brilliant from Bill Maher.

    https://x.com/billmaher/status/2055483964023099847

    I'm in the shop doing the big shop and the link won't resolve. What is the reactionary old tart saying now?
    Heinz baked beans 75p a can with nectar points ?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Amidst the Tommy fash rally you see the odd bewildered tourist asking what’s going on and looking mildly hopeful that a royal is going to appear

    I found myself in London in February and ran into a protest on the pavement. Initially I thought it was pro Palestine but turned out to be free Iran. It was quite a challenge to get past them bunched on the pavement and I realised there was a man who was blocking my way. Seemed a bit odd then I realised he was trying to hand me an apple before he'd let me pass. A nice act I thought. Haven't forgotten it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    You can't really condemn a stand on policy, even if you disagree with the policy itself.
    Well done Streeting.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    scampi25 said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    Theres unlikely to be a leadership race if Burnham wins . Streeting saying he’d be part of one is I think just performative. There will be huge pressure on any candidates to not go forward and allow a coronation.
    I'm sure the voters will be totally content with a new PM without mandate or even a debate in the party.
    They might not be but that’s what I think will happen . Every candidate against Burnham loses so the party is going to say let’s not bother with a leadership challenge . And those who would have come forward get jobs in the cabinet .

    They might do one round of nominations which Burnham will win convincingly and then any other candidate or candidates will withdraw .
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 765

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yep. Cheapest tickets up in the gods are around £50 quid. Nearer the pitch, central, £285. A sport for the working class?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    So the blue half of Manchester are Kings of the North.

    Will Andy Burnham follow in City's footsteps?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689

    This is brilliant from Bill Maher.

    https://x.com/billmaher/status/2055483964023099847

    It’s pretty much Bill Maher and John Fetterman left, as the only sensibles in the Democratic Party.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    Nigelb said:

    You can't really condemn a stand on policy, even if you disagree with the policy itself.
    Well done Streeting.

    Yes, we can’t criticise politicians for not trying to do something and make change happen and when one does (despite disagreeing) criticise him for trying something big.

    I want Kemi to speak the truth to the country, abandon triple lock, tell it like it is and maybe the public will finally appreciate honesty - we can’t go on with a political class who won’t front up.
  • Big Nolan fan but The Odyssey…doesn’t look good
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yep. Cheapest tickets up in the gods are around £50 quid. Nearer the pitch, central, £285. A sport for the working class?
    I would say £50 is quite reasonable. Gig tickets for artists who aren't on Taylor Swift level are now more than that. £300 less so.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16

    Big Nolan fan but The Odyssey…doesn’t look good

    Tenet wasn't very good. He does make duffers from time to time.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yep. Cheapest tickets up in the gods are around £50 quid. Nearer the pitch, central, £285. A sport for the working class?
    It’s a public schools game co-opted by the plebs, just going full circle. If it was the working class game it would be played on the street by men with flat caps using the head of the village halfwit as a ball.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,783

    Amidst the Tommy fash rally you see the odd bewildered tourist asking what’s going on and looking mildly hopeful that a royal is going to appear

    I found myself in London in February and ran into a protest on the pavement. Initially I thought it was pro Palestine but turned out to be free Iran. It was quite a challenge to get past them bunched on the pavement and I realised there was a man who was blocking my way. Seemed a bit odd then I realised he was trying to hand me an apple before he'd let me pass. A nice act I thought. Haven't forgotten it.
    "...and that, boys and girls, is how @FrankBooth fell into a deep, deep sleep for a hundred years, waiting in the castle for True Love's Kiss to wake him from his slumber..."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,858
    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yep. Cheapest tickets up in the gods are around £50 quid. Nearer the pitch, central, £285. A sport for the working class?
    Judging by the tedium of the match, not great value.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,783

    Big Nolan fan but The Odyssey…doesn’t look good

    Tenet wasn't very good. He does make duffers from time to time.
    Wash your mouth out. Tenet is brilliant. I have seen it twice now. One day I will understand it even (draws diagrams...)
  • Amidst the Tommy fash rally you see the odd bewildered tourist asking what’s going on and looking mildly hopeful that a royal is going to appear

    I found myself in London in February and ran into a protest on the pavement. Initially I thought it was pro Palestine but turned out to be free Iran. It was quite a challenge to get past them bunched on the pavement and I realised there was a man who was blocking my way. Seemed a bit odd then I realised he was trying to hand me an apple before he'd let me pass. A nice act I thought. Haven't forgotten it.
    Yes. The free Iran flags are quite confusing coz they look like Palestinian flags at first. The colours are so similar. I thought initially the two marches had somehow mingled

    I’ve seen almost no trouble - in either side - except arguably just now. A pink haired girl with a pro Palestine flag has wandered into crowds of Tommy fans heading for the Tube

    They are making their disagreement with her cause quite apparent. But even then it’s just verbals
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    You can't really condemn a stand on policy, even if you disagree with the policy itself.
    Well done Streeting.

    Yes, we can’t criticise politicians for not trying to do something and make change happen and when one does (despite disagreeing) criticise him for trying something big.

    I want Kemi to speak the truth to the country, abandon triple lock, tell it like it is and maybe the public will finally appreciate honesty - we can’t go on with a political class who won’t front up.
    Good luck with that . The public don’t want honesty and a reality check , they just want freebies and will vote for who delivers them .

    Eventually things will come crashing down but in the meantime there’s more chance of me voting for Reform than Kemi ditching the triple lock .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    edited May 16

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    Yes, it's Streeting acting wholeheartedly in the Streeting interest.

    But, you know, he doesn't want to be TOO accommodating to Burnham
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,495

    Wes may want to stand. But I’m not convinced with Burnham around he will get the numbers now.

    This is all about making sure Burnham's not able to stand.
    Then Wes is leading to a Reform government.
    No, he can U-turn after he becomes PM.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    Yes, it's Streeting acting wholeheartedly in the Streeting interest.
    So no different to Burnham then. Or anyone else.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689

    DoctorG said:

    DoctorG said:

    Are all the empty seats at the footy because they are decieded to go to the Tommy rally instead?

    If they are nearer the centre they're more likely hospitality seats. Wembley is an expensive day out. Chelsea end is fairly packed
    Definitely loads of the half way line corporate ones are empty, but either end around the corner flag there are empty seats. More in Man City section I would say.
    In Man City's defence, this is the 24th time they've been to Wembley in the last decade and the third time in the last two months.

    It's not cheap being a football fan, have you seen London prices/final ticket prices.
    Yep. Cheapest tickets up in the gods are around £50 quid. Nearer the pitch, central, £285. A sport for the working class?
    I would say £50 is quite reasonable. Gig tickets for artists who aren't on Taylor Swift level are now more than that. £300 less so.
    The World Cup does look like it’s going to be Judgement Day for sky-high ticket costs and ultra-premium pricing of everything around an event.

    My money is on a lot of local schoolkids getting bussed in to fill stadia for the early group matches, but the problem is that most of the tickets have actually been sold to the touts who think there’s going to be 80,000 people wanting to watch Croatia play Senegal* at $3,000 a seat.

    * made-up fixture.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 16
    viewcode said:

    Big Nolan fan but The Odyssey…doesn’t look good

    Tenet wasn't very good. He does make duffers from time to time.
    Wash your mouth out. Tenet is brilliant. I have seen it twice now. One day I will understand it even (draws diagrams...)
    I really enjoyed Dunkirk for the fact it was such a straight forward story (well mini-stories) told really well.

    I remember when David Lynch made the Straight Story and people were like WTF, ok, maybe we missed some subversive meaning, where is all the dark undertones and crazy plots that nobody understands. And he was like nope, just liked the true story.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,353

    Would the best thing for Burnham be a strong Restore candidate to try and split the Reform friendly vote?

    Yes and that may be why Burnham has shortened still further in the by-election betting.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Even if Burnham loses this by-election it’s not the end for Labour .

    Of course the media will become hyperbolic over it . There’s three years to the next election , if the economy eventually picks up after Trumps moronic war and public services improve that’s what will decide things .

  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,495
    HYUFD said:

    Would the best thing for Burnham be a strong Restore candidate to try and split the Reform friendly vote?

    Yes, with Tommy Robinson backing the Restore candidate
    A Restore candidature sanitises Reform.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    edited May 16
    Latest on by-election of the century(so far).



    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    Hard to think of this by election becoming any more defining now.
    - If Burnham can beat Reform on their prime turf, does everything comes back into play?
    - If Reform can defeat Labour’s most popular politician, can anyone now stop them?
    - If Restore Britain split the vote to Reform’s right are they a bigger problem than assumed for Farage’s Party?

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2055650209372229823
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    It’s a nightmare for Burnham
    He'll be fine if he's what they say he is.

    Although Jesus wasn't, come to think of it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,858

    HYUFD said:

    Would the best thing for Burnham be a strong Restore candidate to try and split the Reform friendly vote?

    Yes, with Tommy Robinson backing the Restore candidate
    A Restore candidature sanitises Reform.
    There was one in Gorton and Denton but didn't make much impact.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885

    Latest on by-election of the century(so far).



    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    Hard to think of this by election becoming any more defining now.
    - If Burnham can beat Reform on their prime turf, does everything comes back into play?
    - If Reform can defeat Labour’s most popular politician, can anyone now stop them?
    - If Restore Britain split the vote to Reform’s right are they a bigger problem than assumed for Farage’s Party?

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2055650209372229823

    And all the time nobody kept an eye on the Tories as they snuck up the outside to victory.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159

    Latest on by-election of the century(so far).



    Luke Tryl
    @LukeTryl

    Hard to think of this by election becoming any more defining now.
    - If Burnham can beat Reform on their prime turf, does everything comes back into play?
    - If Reform can defeat Labour’s most popular politician, can anyone now stop them?
    - If Restore Britain split the vote to Reform’s right are they a bigger problem than assumed for Farage’s Party?

    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2055650209372229823

    Will the Greens compete or will they regard Burnham and his far left agenda, as returning home for them.

    Will the Greens to back to be fluffy, NIMBY, environmentalists.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Winning Makerfield guarantees zip for Labour .

    Just as losing it does not mean Reform are walking into No 10.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,885
    nico67 said:

    Winning Makerfield guarantees zip for Labour .

    Just as losing it does not mean Reform are walking into No 10.

    Is Makerfield pronounced “Mack” or “Make”? Have heard both recently since it became the centre of the universe.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    edited May 16
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I’m sorry Wes is a muppet. Rejoining the EU is the last thing we need to be talking about. He’s gone way down in my estimation.

    Alternatively, he's a ruthless little sh1t who wants to make life difficult for St Andy of the North.

    If Andy makes pro-Europe noises now, it's harder for him to become an MP. If he doesn't, it's harder for him to become PM.

    If Mr Mayor hadn't spent quite so much time making life difficult for Labour in Westminster, one might almost feel sorry for him.
    Rejoin is one of the few things someone on the right of the party can say and be confident of the vast majority of members agreeing. I'd have been astonished if it wasn't a big part of Wes's pitch.
    Agreed, but that's a reason to say it during the leadership race, not now.
    Theres unlikely to be a leadership race if Burnham wins . Streeting saying he’d be part of one is I think just performative. There will be huge pressure on any candidates to not go forward and allow a coronation.
    The men and women wearing union lanyards are going to come and quietly tell Wes that it is not this time me thinks.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Winning Makerfield guarantees zip for Labour .

    Just as losing it does not mean Reform are walking into No 10.

    Is Makerfield pronounced “Mack” or “Make”? Have heard both recently since it became the centre of the universe.
    I remember all the media getting Crewe and "Nan-which" pronunication wrong.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003
    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Winning Makerfield guarantees zip for Labour .

    Just as losing it does not mean Reform are walking into No 10.

    Is Makerfield pronounced “Mack” or “Make”? Have heard both recently since it became the centre of the universe.
    Make - er -field

    Normally

    Ashton - on - Make - er - field.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,783
    edited May 16

    Big Nolan fan but The Odyssey…doesn’t look good

    I know the antiwokerati are shitting themselves because Elliot Page has been cast as Achilles and Lupita Nyong'o (spelling?) as Helen of Troy, but apart from that are there any *actual* reasons for disliking it?

    From the trailers I thought the cinematography in the indoor scenes was unusually bad for Nolan, who usually has crystal-clear scenes (see Tenet for this), although that may just be me seeing it on my laptop in 360px. Plus the accents are all over the place: he should have gone with the good guys in American, bad guys in British accents convention (see Star Wars for this). But the outdoor scenes look good and I really like the colour mixing in those scenes. It is missing a stop-motion Harryhausen giant gate guardian with screeching bronze motion sounds, but you can't have everything.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542

    This is brilliant from Bill Maher.

    https://x.com/billmaher/status/2055483964023099847

    Not really yet another commentator who is blind to one side.
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