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Keir we go! Wes we can, Streeting resigns – politicalbetting.com

It’s being reported that multiple Labour MPs believe Al Carns is preparing a leadership bid if Keir Starmer quits. Good move. He is an ex Royal Marine. From a working class background in Aberdeen and is relatable and communicates in a way that not many Labour MPs are able to. https://t.co/Ou3xtzIhxC pic.twitter.com/DkxUlwri2P

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    First?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    I'm hoping for Big Ange, personally :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,618
    The challenge from Streeting is less than fleeting.

    Actually quite a good resignation letter (discounting the self serving NHS puffery).

    ...Where we need vision, we have a vacuum. Where we need direction, we have drift...
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,652
    So Wes doesn't appear to have the numbers and is relying on Kier seeing sense - good luck.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,618

    And they’re off! A clean break for the pack as they thunder towards the first of thirty fences. It’s a heavy track today—thick with policy papers and polling data—but they’re showing no hesitation.

    Wes Streeting takes an early lead on the inside rail. He’s looking lean, efficient, and keeping a very close eye on the private sector hedges. He’s jumping with a clinical precision that suggests he’s been practicing his delivery for months.

    Just a length behind him, Angela Rayner is making up ground on the outside. She’s got a massive stride, showing plenty of fire and absolutely no fear of the bigger obstacles. She’s taking the "Council House Leap" with total confidence, ignoring the critics in the grandstand.

    Andy Burnham is sitting comfortably in the middle of the pack. He’s the "King of the North" today, looking like he’s got plenty of stamina for the long haul. He seems to be running his own race, perhaps eyeing a different finish line than the rest of them.

    Al Carns is the dark horse here, maintaining a steady, disciplined pace. He’s navigating the mud with the tactical awareness of a veteran, keeping his head down and avoiding the early skirmishes.

    Burnham is still in the stalls, for now.
  • Starmer must go.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143
    Sam Coates Sky
    @SamCoatesSky
    Wes Streeting resigns, and effectively invites a timetable that would allow Andy Burnham to stand too. Says the contest needs to be about "ideas" and "broad".

    HASN'T GOT THE NUMBERS.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,944
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm hoping for Big Ange, personally :D

    Talks well, but terrible at set pieces.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,683
    edited May 14
    Apols in order from people calling Wes an oily weasel and a bottler.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,618
    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444
    Good to see a fresh face, at the very least.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773
    Why are PB commentators more astute than the BBC Political Editor?

    Good for Streeting. However, he's done for, as is Starmer.
  • I did say earlier Wes was going for it today
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    As the BBC is pointing out, nowhere does he say he’s pitching for the top job, and it’s possible he still doesn’t have the numbers
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,683
    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    Bang to rights. Ought to damage him badly. Shame it's clashing with the Labour melee.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    Wes has resigned but his price on Betfair remains at 9 (or 8/1 in old money) so punters are not convinced there will be an actual challenge.
    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics-betting-2378961
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833

    And they’re off! A clean break for the pack as they thunder towards the first of thirty fences. It’s a heavy track today—thick with policy papers and polling data—but they’re showing no hesitation.

    Wes Streeting takes an early lead on the inside rail. He’s looking lean, efficient, and keeping a very close eye on the private sector hedges. He’s jumping with a clinical precision that suggests he’s been practicing his delivery for months.

    Just a length behind him, Angela Rayner is making up ground on the outside. She’s got a massive stride, showing plenty of fire and absolutely no fear of the bigger obstacles. She’s taking the "Council House Leap" with total confidence, ignoring the critics in the grandstand.

    Andy Burnham is sitting comfortably in the middle of the pack. He’s the "King of the North" today, looking like he’s got plenty of stamina for the long haul. He seems to be running his own race, perhaps eyeing a different finish line than the rest of them.

    Al Carns is the dark horse here, maintaining a steady, disciplined pace. He’s navigating the mud with the tactical awareness of a veteran, keeping his head down and avoiding the early skirmishes.

    My money is on the filly!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130
    At least it is out in the open now
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,885
    So, is anyone going to follow him out the door? If Starmer is to stand down Streeting will need at least half a dozen Cabinet members that people have actually heard of (that may in fairness be all of them).
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334
    rejoice
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    The opening of the resignation letter is hilarious.

    It's basically "I've achieved results, you haven't".

    A bold approach.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,763
    OOOOH How exciting!!!
  • More resignations coming today I’ve been told
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833
    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    I understood that the house was purchased by Farage's French girlfriend from her savings as a waitress. Hence no second home stamp duty additional charge. Is this not correct?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    Bang to rights. Ought to damage him badly. Shame it's clashing with the Labour melee.
    But won’t damage him in the slightest. See Trump.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    FPT: And here I thought the header referred to this 1948 noir movie:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_with_No_Name

    In fact, I still think so.

    (You can decide for yourselves whether a gangster movie is an appropriate metaphor for the current Labour Party struggles.)
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,116

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560
    No sign of a leadership challenge, mind.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,030

    More resignations coming today I’ve been told

    Told by who
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,652
    Bond yields actually continuining to come off a litle. Either it's all priced in or this is being seen as confirmation the numbers aren't there and Kier can now just sit there ignoring everyone.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,955
    edited May 14
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    I understood that the house was purchased by Farage's French girlfriend from her savings as a waitress. Hence no second home stamp duty additional charge. Is this not correct?
    I think this is a different property. The girlfriends purchase was I think £800k, not £1.3 mill.

    Farage is claiming he had agreed the purchase of this house before the donation....GB News and Cameo clearly pay incredibly well.
  • More resignations coming today I’ve been told

    Told by who
    By Keir Starmer’s cousin
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    Heathener said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
    What news from the now LibDem-held seat of Newton Abbot?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,116
    kinabalu said:

    Apols in order from people calling Wes an oily weasel and a bottler.

    Those two are not synonymous.

    I've never called him a bottler.

    But yes he's an oily weasel, a rat, a little shit. Not because of this apparent challenge but because he is and always has been.

    Thankfully most people I know, far from my politics, seem to agree.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    dixiedean said:

    No sign of a leadership challenge, mind.

    It's only been 18 minutes since he resigned, to be fair.
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 311
    edited May 14
    I guess we can conclude that either Streeting hasn’t the numbers, reckons he’ll lose if he has to take on Starmer and be seen to be the one who wields the sword, or wants to take on the full field (i.e. including Burnham).

    I guess he’d spin the last as it makes him sound the most honourable. Although, as I noted yesterday, if he wins but isn’t seen to beat the full field then you can imagine continued muttering from those around Mr Burnham. So maybe he’s been essentially trapped into this call.

    Over to Starmer I guess - I expect he’s going to have to pick or at least indicate a leaving date. Sense suggests early next year (and my interests). Although I’d laugh my @rse off if he tries to get away with staying on until 2028.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914
    DavidL said:

    So, is anyone going to follow him out the door? If Starmer is to stand down Streeting will need at least half a dozen Cabinet members that people have actually heard of (that may in fairness be all of them).

    If more Cabinet ministers resign then Wes's timeframe falls apart of SKS will being going sooner rather than later.

    I'm starting to think Wes hasn't got a clue what he's doing and done.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914
    DavidL said:

    So, is anyone going to follow him out the door? If Starmer is to stand down Streeting will need at least half a dozen Cabinet members that people have actually heard of (that may in fairness be all of them).

    If more Cabinet ministers resign then Wes's timeframe falls apart of SKS will being going sooner rather than later.

    I'm starting to think Wes hasn't got a clue what he's doing and done.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    I understood that the house was purchased by Farage's French girlfriend from her savings as a waitress. Hence no second home stamp duty additional charge. Is this not correct?
    This is a different house from that one it seems
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    More resignations coming today I’ve been told

    Hopefully Farage is one of them for his housing dilemmas.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,885

    FPT: And here I thought the header referred to this 1948 noir movie:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Street_with_No_Name

    In fact, I still think so.

    (You can decide for yourselves whether a gangster movie is an appropriate metaphor for the current Labour Party struggles.)

    Nope. Gangsters are generally organised, ruthless and efficient. Labour is none of these.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,683

    At least it is out in the open now

    It is. Grift doesn't cover it. It should disqualify him.

    But will it cut through? Farage often seems to get a pass on things that would kill off other politicians.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865

    I guess we can conclude that either Streeting hasn’t the numbers, reckons he’ll lose if he has to take on Starmer and be seen to be the one who wields the sword, or wants to take on the full field (i.e. including Burnham).

    I guess he’d spin the last as it makes him sound the most honourable. Although, as I noted yesterday, if he wins but isn’t seen to beat the full field then you can imagine continued muttering from those around Mr Burnham. So maybe he’s been essentially trapped into this call.

    Over to Starmer I guess - I expect he’s going to have to pick or at least indicate a leaving date. Sense suggests early next year (and my interests). Although I’d laugh my @rse off if he tries to get away with staying on until 2028.

    I still think Keir could be there until 2028
  • MarshallDMarshallD Posts: 4
    maaarsh said:

    Bond yields actually continuining to come off a litle. Either it's all priced in or this is being seen as confirmation the numbers aren't there and Kier can now just sit there ignoring everyone.

    Risk premium versus other markets already priced in. Uncertainty as to whether new leader and chancellor combination will be meaningfully worse for gilt issuance.

    So we're in a holding pattern. If the leadership team becomes clear and they plan to tear up fiscal rules in an uncontrolled way, expect bond yield to widen further. If the reverse occurs then they may recover.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130
    Heathener said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
    Hi @Heathener

    Good to see you

    I am struggling with my mobility and my wife is quite ill awaiting an endyscope for suspected celiac but hopefully she will recover once confirmed and she goes on a gluten free diet

    At 82 and 86 we are just grateful for our blessings and family

    What a time we are living through
  • https://x.com/dpjhodges/status/2054899585395388762

    Told Streeting's team have confirmed he has now moved behind a longer timetable. That means all the challengers and a very large proportion of the PLP are now in the same place. I'm told the bulk of the cabinet will now move in behind this position as well. Minister tells me "Game over".

    Burnham back into the fray then
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,944

    More resignations coming today I’ve been told

    Told by who
    By Keir Starmer’s cousin
    The nephew or niece of a toolmaker no less.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,518

    And they’re off! A clean break for the pack as they thunder towards the first of thirty fences. It’s a heavy track today—thick with policy papers and polling data—but they’re showing no hesitation.

    Wes Streeting takes an early lead on the inside rail. He’s looking lean, efficient, and keeping a very close eye on the private sector hedges. He’s jumping with a clinical precision that suggests he’s been practicing his delivery for months.

    Just a length behind him, Angela Rayner is making up ground on the outside. She’s got a massive stride, showing plenty of fire and absolutely no fear of the bigger obstacles. She’s taking the "Council House Leap" with total confidence, ignoring the critics in the grandstand.

    Andy Burnham is sitting comfortably in the middle of the pack. He’s the "King of the North" today, looking like he’s got plenty of stamina for the long haul. He seems to be running his own race, perhaps eyeing a different finish line than the rest of them.

    Al Carns is the dark horse here, maintaining a steady, disciplined pace. He’s navigating the mud with the tactical awareness of a veteran, keeping his head down and avoiding the early skirmishes.

    Where’s @MoonRabbit ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773
    At 13.22 the BBC Political Editor agrees with PB that Streeting doesn't have the numbers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946
    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    The property was for his security. Therefore it's OK. Nothing to see here.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130

    More resignations coming today I’ve been told

    Hopefully Farage is one of them for his housing dilemmas.
    Process don't you know - Starmer's mantra
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,229
    Is Wes really pretending the unwinding of Covid-era waiting lists with the passing of time is due solely to him? Tut tut,
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    Didn't I say at the start of the government, Wes would do a flounce at some point?

    Mystic GIN strikes again 😂
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,944
    edited May 14
    kinabalu said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    It is. Grift doesn't cover it. It should disqualify him.

    But will it cut through? Farage often seems to get a pass on things that would kill off other politicians.
    It is small fry compared to the Trump crime family (they work in billions not millions) and the only thing MAGA are concerned about is Newsom's wife's friend's charity got a contract for some nappies.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334
    Three scenarios:

    1. Wes submits his challenge. Keith says he will fight. Others quit the cabinet to also challenge.
    2. Wes doesn't yet challenge. Is James Purnell Jr
    3. Other cabinet ministers tell Keith that its over and resign. Lectern deployed later, a process over the next few months

    3 has a few sub variants:
    a) Burnham gets someone to retire, is passed by the NHS, wins the byelection
    b) Burnham gets someone to retire, is passed by the NEC, loses the by-election
    c) Burnham gets someone to retire, is blocked by the NEC
    d) Burnham can't find a seat. Announces he has always loved Aberdeen, comes up here

    If a by-election is held in GM, all the polls show he would win.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,518

    I guess we can conclude that either Streeting hasn’t the numbers, reckons he’ll lose if he has to take on Starmer and be seen to be the one who wields the sword, or wants to take on the full field (i.e. including Burnham).

    I guess he’d spin the last as it makes him sound the most honourable. Although, as I noted yesterday, if he wins but isn’t seen to beat the full field then you can imagine continued muttering from those around Mr Burnham. So maybe he’s been essentially trapped into this call.

    Over to Starmer I guess - I expect he’s going to have to pick or at least indicate a leaving date. Sense suggests early next year (and my interests). Although I’d laugh my @rse off if he tries to get away with staying on until 2028.

    I still think Keir could be there until 2028
    We are living in Schrödinger's Leadership Challenge.

    Come on someone. Collapse the state to *something*

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    https://x.com/dpjhodges/status/2054899585395388762

    Told Streeting's team have confirmed he has now moved behind a longer timetable. That means all the challengers and a very large proportion of the PLP are now in the same place. I'm told the bulk of the cabinet will now move in behind this position as well. Minister tells me "Game over".

    Burnham back into the fray then

    Possibly, but it is Hodges.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    Rayner favourite
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,116

    Heathener said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
    Hi @Heathener

    Good to see you

    I am struggling with my mobility and my wife is quite ill awaiting an endyscope for suspected celiac but hopefully she will recover once confirmed and she goes on a gluten free diet

    At 82 and 86 we are just grateful for our blessings and family

    What a time we are living through
    Lovely to be in touch with you Big G but sorry about the ongoing health issues. I have fingers crossed for your wife, and with your ongoing mobility.

    And, yes, what times indeed. I took a complete break, heading off around the world and as far from politics as I could get!

    xx
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833
    Scott_xP said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    I understood that the house was purchased by Farage's French girlfriend from her savings as a waitress. Hence no second home stamp duty additional charge. Is this not correct?
    This is a different house from that one it seems
    A man with security issues needs multiple addresses to keep his enemies guessing, I suppose.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,683
    Heathener said:

    kinabalu said:

    Apols in order from people calling Wes an oily weasel and a bottler.

    Those two are not synonymous.

    I've never called him a bottler.

    But yes he's an oily weasel, a rat, a little shit. Not because of this apparent challenge but because he is and always has been.

    Thankfully most people I know, far from my politics, seem to agree.
    Ok, 'oily weasel' is tba and tbc but he's cleared of being a bottler and leaving his supporters high and dry.

    That's what I meant really.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,885
    edited May 14
    eek said:

    DavidL said:

    So, is anyone going to follow him out the door? If Starmer is to stand down Streeting will need at least half a dozen Cabinet members that people have actually heard of (that may in fairness be all of them).

    If more Cabinet ministers resign then Wes's timeframe falls apart of SKS will being going sooner rather than later.

    I'm starting to think Wes hasn't got a clue what he's doing and done.
    Not necessarily. I think he (Streeting) is still pushing for the "dignified" exit and a longer timetable. That only works if Starmer accepts his time is up and doesn't fight a challenge. Multiple cabinet resignations might have that effect. I'm watching Mahmood and Cooper in particular.

    Edit, that is what he says in his letter: " It is now clear that you will not lead the Labour Party into the next general election and that Labour MPs and Labour Unions want the debate about what comes next to be a battle of ideas, not of personalities or petty factionalism. It needs to be broad, and it needs the best possible field of candidates. I support that approach and I hope that you will facilitate this."

    Without further resignations this simply doesn't happen.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    I guess we can conclude that either Streeting hasn’t the numbers, reckons he’ll lose if he has to take on Starmer and be seen to be the one who wields the sword, or wants to take on the full field (i.e. including Burnham).

    I guess he’d spin the last as it makes him sound the most honourable. Although, as I noted yesterday, if he wins but isn’t seen to beat the full field then you can imagine continued muttering from those around Mr Burnham. So maybe he’s been essentially trapped into this call.

    Over to Starmer I guess - I expect he’s going to have to pick or at least indicate a leaving date. Sense suggests early next year (and my interests). Although I’d laugh my @rse off if he tries to get away with staying on until 2028.

    Effectively he has wielded the sword, and he can’t really escape from that now.

    Wes is supremely self confident and probably wants a full, long contest hoping that his campaigning and debating ability will give him opportunities to land blows on his rivals. Realistically that’s his only chance - to defeat his opponents in close combat and demonstrate to party members that, even if they don’t like his politics, Wes is a proven winner and campaigner. It’s the only realistic path to the top that he has.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    What's happened to @Brixian59 ?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130

    At 13.22 the BBC Political Editor agrees with PB that Streeting doesn't have the numbers.

    I don't think that mattera now

    The momemtum is with the rebels and Starmer is in real difficulty
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    carnforth said:

    Is Wes really pretending the unwinding of Covid-era waiting lists with the passing of time is due solely to him? Tut tut,

    I know from a direct discussion with a senior doctor that some of this is 'smoke and mirrors' but maybe waiting list stats always are in various ways.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,116
    IanB2 said:

    Heathener said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
    What news from the now LibDem-held seat of Newton Abbot?
    I left there 2 years ago shortly after I voted and went off travelling.

    I've actually now bought a place in the Scottish Highlands.

    But back to this politics ...
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    Nigelb said:

    "Reform UK leader Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne."..
    https://x.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/2054887007634026655

    Lucky general, Nigel. That this further example of his grift and duplicity should come out today of all days.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130
    GIN1138 said:

    Heathener said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
    Hi @Heathener

    Good to see you

    I am struggling with my mobility and my wife is quite ill awaiting an endyscope for suspected celiac but hopefully she will recover once confirmed and she goes on a gluten free diet

    At 82 and 86 we are just grateful for our blessings and family

    What a time we are living through
    Wishing you both all the very best, Big G.
    Thank you
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    If you rearrange the letters of POSTMEN they become VERY ANGRY…
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    edited May 14
    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
    ·
    13m
    This letter reads awfully like the beginnings of an Andy Burnham deal...

    https://x.com/jessicaelgot/status/2054898771457196504
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    The idea that Carns is relatable makes little sense.

    No one knows who he is
    No one knows what he believes in

    Most people don't give a damn that he was in the Army

    He might be ready to step up after the GE defeat if he still had a seat. But not now.

    People love a blank slate. Briefly.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,683
    edited May 14

    kinabalu said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    It is. Grift doesn't cover it. It should disqualify him.

    But will it cut through? Farage often seems to get a pass on things that would kill off other politicians.
    It is small fry compared to the Trump crime family (they work in billions not millions) and the only thing MAGA are concerned about is Newsom's wife's friend's charity got a contract for some nappies.
    Everything here (inc corruption and hypocrisy on the populist right) is small beer relative to that abomination.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773
    Sarah Montague getting very frustrated.

    Bring back the Tories for Lady Sarah!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130
    edited May 14
    Heathener said:

    Heathener said:

    At least it is out in the open now

    Hi Big G. Long long time no chat. How are you?
    Hi @Heathener

    Good to see you

    I am struggling with my mobility and my wife is quite ill awaiting an endyscope for suspected celiac but hopefully she will recover once confirmed and she goes on a gluten free diet

    At 82 and 86 we are just grateful for our blessings and family

    What a time we are living through
    Lovely to be in touch with you Big G but sorry about the ongoing health issues. I have fingers crossed for your wife, and with your ongoing mobility.

    And, yes, what times indeed. I took a complete break, heading off around the world and as far from politics as I could get!

    xx
    We travelled the world many times whilst we could and have so many lovely memories

    I am sure a highland home will be just wonderful
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    I said earlier that Miliband-Streeting dream ticket with latter as CoE might being discussed behind the scenes.

    Maybe I should have said Burnham-Streeting?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,856
    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/2054900452144083094

    @SamCoatesSky
    So @GNev2 has been discussed inside Labour as a possible Andy Burnham replacement - but I'm told it is unclear if he's been approached - so just to ask on here - @GNev2 - any comment?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    I mean WTF?

    Catherine West now on Radio 4 saying Keir Starmer could win a leadership election and not ruling out voting for him

    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2054901009084789034
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833

    carnforth said:

    Is Wes really pretending the unwinding of Covid-era waiting lists with the passing of time is due solely to him? Tut tut,

    I know from a direct discussion with a senior doctor that some of this is 'smoke and mirrors' but maybe waiting list stats always are in various ways.
    There is genuine progress at my Trust in terms of waiting lists, though how much this relates to Streeting is unclear.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,518

    If you rearrange the letters of POSTMEN they become VERY ANGRY…

    All postmen are hyper skilled hitmen.

    This is known.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/2054900452144083094

    @SamCoatesSky
    So @GNev2 has been discussed inside Labour as a possible Andy Burnham replacement - but I'm told it is unclear if he's been approached - so just to ask on here - @GNev2 - any comment?

    As you will have read posted by me about a month ago as a prediction!!!! They will attempt to get Neville.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257

    I mean WTF?

    Catherine West now on Radio 4 saying Keir Starmer could win a leadership election and not ruling out voting for him

    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2054901009084789034

    Labour are as nuts as the Tories were.... But they're "ending the chaos" so it's all good!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833

    I mean WTF?

    Catherine West now on Radio 4 saying Keir Starmer could win a leadership election and not ruling out voting for him

    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2054901009084789034

    Epic reverse ferret!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,955
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/2054900452144083094

    @SamCoatesSky
    So @GNev2 has been discussed inside Labour as a possible Andy Burnham replacement - but I'm told it is unclear if he's been approached - so just to ask on here - @GNev2 - any comment?

    Arent Labour trying to get rid of deeply unpopular and divise leaders not hire new ones?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,518
    kle4 said:

    The idea that Carns is relatable makes little sense.

    No one knows who he is
    No one knows what he believes in

    Most people don't give a damn that he was in the Army

    He might be ready to step up after the GE defeat if he still had a seat. But not now.

    People love a blank slate. Briefly.
    Any more wish projection about random candidates and a bloke dressed as a bat will turn up.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    I mean WTF?

    Catherine West now on Radio 4 saying Keir Starmer could win a leadership election and not ruling out voting for him

    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2054901009084789034

    I thought Labour were all obsessed with the West Wing not The Thick Of It?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773
    edited May 14

    I said earlier that Miliband-Streeting dream ticket with latter as CoE might being discussed behind the scenes.

    Maybe I should have said Burnham-Streeting?

    Anything involving Miliband is no dream. It's a nightmare!

    I mean WTF?

    Catherine West now on Radio 4 saying Keir Starmer could win a leadership election and not ruling out voting for him

    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2054901009084789034

    Lady Sarah was getting very annoyed at her. West doesn't appear to be particularly bright.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    I mean WTF?

    Catherine West now on Radio 4 saying Keir Starmer could win a leadership election and not ruling out voting for him

    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2054901009084789034

    Maybe we are all in a simulation.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,953
    kle4 said:

    The idea that Carns is relatable makes little sense.

    No one knows who he is
    No one knows what he believes in

    Most people don't give a damn that he was in the Army

    He might be ready to step up after the GE defeat if he still had a seat. But not now.

    People love a blank slate. Briefly.
    That's rather how we got SKS.

    I suspect Al Carns will equally supprise on the downside. The overwhelming evidence is that if you have a functional brain or spine, you are unlike to also be a Labour MP.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/2054900452144083094

    @SamCoatesSky
    So @GNev2 has been discussed inside Labour as a possible Andy Burnham replacement - but I'm told it is unclear if he's been approached - so just to ask on here - @GNev2 - any comment?

    No. Just no.

    There is no way GM is voting for GNev. The list of people he alienates is almost endless.
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 878
    Anyone would beat Wes Streeting in a Labour membership vote! Heck, HYUFD would beat West Streeting in a Lab membership vote!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,284
    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/2054900452144083094

    @SamCoatesSky
    So @GNev2 has been discussed inside Labour as a possible Andy Burnham replacement - but I'm told it is unclear if he's been approached - so just to ask on here - @GNev2 - any comment?

    wtf. What’s the local governance equivalent of losing 7-0 to Barcelona?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,134

    I guess we can conclude that either Streeting hasn’t the numbers, reckons he’ll lose if he has to take on Starmer and be seen to be the one who wields the sword, or wants to take on the full field (i.e. including Burnham).

    I guess he’d spin the last as it makes him sound the most honourable. Although, as I noted yesterday, if he wins but isn’t seen to beat the full field then you can imagine continued muttering from those around Mr Burnham. So maybe he’s been essentially trapped into this call.

    Over to Starmer I guess - I expect he’s going to have to pick or at least indicate a leaving date. Sense suggests early next year (and my interests). Although I’d laugh my @rse off if he tries to get away with staying on until 2028.

    I still think Keir could be there until 2028
    Yep, Rayner back in, Burnham nobbled until 28 and Streeting looking for a new career.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,955
    edited May 14
    BBC - Two of Wes Streeting’s closest cabinet allies, Peter Kyle and Pat McFadden, are not quitting and continue to support the prime minister. It’s not a great surprise given they were among those who firmly backed the prime minister after Tuesday’s cabinet meeting. But it suggests there will not be a slew of resignations to follow Streeting’s, at least at cabinet level.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,763
    Last week's vote showed how the British people have "lost" confidence in Starmer's leadership! :lol:
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