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Where the Streeting has no names as Rayner becomes the favourite to be next PM– politicalbetting.com

Wes Streeting’s team is asking MPs to support his leadership bid to trigger a contest, but arguing that they can transfer their vote to another candidate after a race begins.Suggests the Streeting team is struggling to get to 81 nominations tonight.

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    What amazingly convenient timing for Big Ange.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    U2 might want to lay Streeting...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Foxy said:

    U2 might want to lay Streeting...

    Yay, I am glad somebody spotted the subtle U2 reference in the headline.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    This soap opera has so many twists. Rayner for mayor?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    Oh I thought it was a reference to the Cheers theme song...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    OMG you couldn’t make it up .

    Maybe HMRC can’t stand Miliband either and decided to save us all !
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,333
    Jonathan said:

    This soap opera has so many twists. Rayner for mayor?

    Sadiq for Prime Minister?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    Does this open up a potential route for Streeting to win? Suppose the left of Labour is split between Rayner-backers, Burnham-holdouts, and the Milifans, is it possible none of them will reach the required 81 nominations?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    Is anyone going to show the Desire to challenge Keir today?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    What amazingly convenient timing for Big Ange.

    A happy coincidence to be sure.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    Is that four different favourites in this market in less than four days?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    It’s over for Streeting. Why even bother he’s got zip chance of winning .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    rkrkrk said:

    Oh I thought it was a reference to the Cheers theme song...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzZWSrr5wFI&list=RDGzZWSrr5wFI&start_radio=1
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Though if you are honest you would say that any Labour candidate has held the country back. It isn’t about you. Or m me. Or the bond markets.

    This is now a beauty parade for morons. Labour members - like Tory members before them - now get to choose based on their narrow perceptions of what good looks like.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,467
    Is there no beginning to Labour talent?

    Streeting- all ambition, no vision, a shallow thinker with no effective executive achievements to his name.
    Raymer- a vindictive class warrior trading on a sense of working class grievance whose inchoate ideology will alienate more than it rallies
    Burnham- the kind of disorganization that would see him in the bunker inside a year surrounded by howling mobs
    Miliband- a previous retread, weedy- will irritate more than he inspires.

    None of these people are actually much of an improvement on Starmer.

    Labour is now going to spend months in inward looking insularity while the problems of the country take second place to the problems of the Labour Party.

    I thought it was literally impossible for Labour to be worse than the utter disgrace of the previous Tory fiasco- but they are giving it a go.

    Behind all of this, of course is the terrible fear that the UK might actually have become ungovernable...
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    I thought the consensus yesterday was that soft left MPs and unions had decided Miliband was their preferred candidate rather than Rayner.
    This tax news doesn’t change that.
    Also worth remembering Rayner did still underpay her tax by £40k. That’s what the public will remember. The fact there was no deliberate wrongdoing does not change that.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    nico67 said:

    It’s over for Streeting. Why even bother he’s got zip chance of winning .

    Because a change of leader is in the national interest and he can secure a promotion out of it?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Does this open up a potential route for Streeting to win? Suppose the left of Labour is split between Rayner-backers, Burnham-holdouts, and the Milifans, is it possible none of them will reach the required 81 nominations?

    Streeting is the obvious one in my mind, looking from a long way away!

    Also could MPs or the Cabinet collectively rally round someone like John Healey or even Rachel Reeves, as a don’t-spook-the-markets compromise that avoids a prolonged contest?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,193
    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    I’ll repeat what I said from the previous thread.. we are stuffed with Rayner

    Let’s hope she remembers the difference between leasehold and freehold
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Jonathan said:

    This soap opera has so many twists. Rayner for mayor?

    She coulda been a contender and all she gets is a one way ticket to palookaville
  • MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Weak compared to pre financial crash but doesn’t really support the idea Labour have run the economy any less well than the Tories overall.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    The other consider here. Rayner has said that it would be absurd to exclude Andy Burnham from the contest.

    Whilst Starmer has said he isn’t going to quit, if there are challengers plural and all the focus is on who his replacement is rather than on batting away these cheeky no-hopers, surely even he will get the message.

    Step aside. A contest to start with a lengthy gestation period. Actual policy debate where ideas to turn around the country gets discussed - hopefully with a view to exposing that reform have nothing to do- and then Burnham wins.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    Foxy said:

    U2 might want to lay Streeting...

    Yay, I am glad somebody spotted the subtle U2 reference in the headline.
    I assumed that we were still doing Pet Shop Boys, and people were going to follow up by asking Wes how do you expect to be taken seriously?
  • Rayner says she won’t stand if Sir Keir is in the contest.

    I don’t think she will stand at all.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Cicero said:

    Is there no beginning to Labour talent?

    Streeting- all ambition, no vision, a shallow thinker with no effective executive achievements to his name.
    Raymer- a vindictive class warrior trading on a sense of working class grievance whose inchoate ideology will alienate more than it rallies
    Burnham- the kind of disorganization that would see him in the bunker inside a year surrounded by howling mobs
    Miliband- a previous retread, weedy- will irritate more than he inspires.

    None of these people are actually much of an improvement on Starmer.

    Labour is now going to spend months in inward looking insularity while the problems of the country take second place to the problems of the Labour Party.

    I thought it was literally impossible for Labour to be worse than the utter disgrace of the previous Tory fiasco- but they are giving it a go.

    Behind all of this, of course is the terrible fear that the UK might actually have become ungovernable...

    They really need a new face to emerge. The candidates are all uninspiring.

    Contrast with the Lib Dems (and I’m coming to the belated conclusion it’s probably soon time for Davey to start the succession - but not right now) who have huge talent in the new intake with some very interesting backgrounds.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,024
    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Which parts of the Building Regulations do you want to make “easier”?
  • The fact Streeting is so hated by the most hardcore of Labourites suggests to me he’s probably a good choice.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    Rayner says she won’t stand if Sir Keir is in the contest.

    I don’t think she will stand at all.

    Really where is that being reported ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    nico67 said:

    It’s over for Streeting. Why even bother he’s got zip chance of winning .

    Because a change of leader is in the national interest and he can secure a promotion out of it?
    Promoted to what? Apart from leader there's only really Chancellor and he doesn't strike me as a money man
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Alarming that the prediction experts had pencilled in -0.2%.

    https://news.sky.com/story/bluesky-13543814

    How long until the Trump Tsunami hits?
  • The other consider here. Rayner has said that it would be absurd to exclude Andy Burnham from the contest.

    Whilst Starmer has said he isn’t going to quit, if there are challengers plural and all the focus is on who his replacement is rather than on batting away these cheeky no-hopers, surely even he will get the message.

    Step aside. A contest to start with a lengthy gestation period. Actual policy debate where ideas to turn around the country gets discussed - hopefully with a view to exposing that reform have nothing to do- and then Burnham wins.

    I don’t know what Sir Keir would be standing for. It is obvious to everyone with a pulse that he’s no longer up to it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Though if you are honest you would say that any Labour candidate has held the country back. It isn’t about you. Or m me. Or the bond markets.

    This is now a beauty parade for morons. Labour members - like Tory members before them - now get to choose based on their narrow perceptions of what good looks like.
    Well yes, I’d say that I prefer Kemi Badenoch over any of the options Labour are likely to give their members; but given that option isn’t going to be on the table, someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances would be a good starting point!

    Anecdotal evidence I know, but a couple of friends in the UK have started to ask me about the geopolitical situation in the sandpit, and I suspect it isn’t because they’re worried about me being hit by an Iranian drone. Not rich people, but middle-class entrepreneurial types.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    edited May 14
    Nigelb said:

    Why does it always Rayner on Wes ?

    Long to Rayner ‘ver Labour?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    MelonB said:

    Cicero said:

    Is there no beginning to Labour talent?

    Streeting- all ambition, no vision, a shallow thinker with no effective executive achievements to his name.
    Raymer- a vindictive class warrior trading on a sense of working class grievance whose inchoate ideology will alienate more than it rallies
    Burnham- the kind of disorganization that would see him in the bunker inside a year surrounded by howling mobs
    Miliband- a previous retread, weedy- will irritate more than he inspires.

    None of these people are actually much of an improvement on Starmer.

    Labour is now going to spend months in inward looking insularity while the problems of the country take second place to the problems of the Labour Party.

    I thought it was literally impossible for Labour to be worse than the utter disgrace of the previous Tory fiasco- but they are giving it a go.

    Behind all of this, of course is the terrible fear that the UK might actually have become ungovernable...

    They really need a new face to emerge. The candidates are all uninspiring.

    Contrast with the Lib Dems (and I’m coming to the belated conclusion it’s probably soon time for Davey to start the succession - but not right now) who have huge talent in the new intake with some very interesting backgrounds.
    That's the argument for "give it a year". Pick the two best mid-rankers in the Cabinet and promote them to great offices.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    nico67 said:

    OMG you couldn’t make it up .

    Maybe HMRC can’t stand Miliband either and decided to save us all !

    Or maybe HMRC would fancy EdM as Chancellor, which is what a Rayner leadership would likely mean?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited May 14

    The other consider here. Rayner has said that it would be absurd to exclude Andy Burnham from the contest.

    Whilst Starmer has said he isn’t going to quit, if there are challengers plural and all the focus is on who his replacement is rather than on batting away these cheeky no-hopers, surely even he will get the message.

    Step aside. A contest to start with a lengthy gestation period. Actual policy debate where ideas to turn around the country gets discussed - hopefully with a view to exposing that reform have nothing to do- and then Burnham wins.

    Re the second paragraph - theres no evidence of that. I think he is very clear that if someone else wants the leadership they have to challenge him for it. Recent days have shown no jockeying for position etc has changed his mind on that front.

    We do have to prepare ourselves for the chance this is all delayed for weeks until Burnham returns. Depends on how quickly Wes can or wants to fire the starting gun.

    I still don’t think Rayner will run, but I do think who she backs will be highly instrumental in who eventually wins. She will get an appropriately senior role in government in return.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
  • I would not support a Labour Party lead by Angela Rayner.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    edited May 14

    nico67 said:

    It’s over for Streeting. Why even bother he’s got zip chance of winning .

    Because a change of leader is in the national interest and he can secure a promotion out of it?
    He might fancy the CofE role, having started his ministerial career in the Treasury, but which of the other contenders is going to give it to him? He'd be a financially austere chancellor and not what MPs or soft left members are looking for.

    However I'd guess most of the other contenders would be quite happy letting him finish the job at Health.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    From my point of view, all the plausible alternative Labour leaders would be worse than Starmer and make the country worse. Wes Streeting is the only one I don't feel that way about, and he won't win.

    I am betting on it, but without any enthusiasm.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited May 14

    Rayner says she won’t stand if Sir Keir is in the contest.

    I don’t think she will stand at all.

    Is that a gizza us a job back in cabinet our Keir and I will go and give these Southern twats trying to get rid of you a good kicking.....and mumbles then when the time is right Our Andy will be along....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Which parts of the Building Regulations do you want to make “easier”?
    About the last three decades of them.

    Also make modular homes and US-style wooden houses mortgageable.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,930
    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    As per @DecrepiterJohnL on the previous thread, she’s declared £39000 from speeches in Feb/Mar alone. She’s had plenty of time to prepare for this tax bill. There’s no need for insinuation about finding anything under the mattress.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Looking at all the party leaders, from Farage, to Starmer, to Badenoch, to Davey, to Polanski to Swinney, I do not think there is much evidence that we do choose leaders based on competence.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited May 14
    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of new government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it. Yes the ONS will say to the media construction or retail, but normally it takes a day or two for eggheads to really look at things to pinpoint what it is.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    Value in laying Kier to survive the 3rd quarter?
    Wes backing off, Rayner and Ed M loyal and Burnham running around like the F1 driver with the worst agent ever.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    It’s interesting challenge. Do parties go for someone who appeals to their base like Miliband or Badenoch or do they go with someone with broader appeal like Cameron or Blair? It’s a question of timing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    Dopermean said:

    Value in laying Kier to survive the 3rd quarter?
    Wes backing off, Rayner and Ed M loyal and Burnham running around like the F1 driver with the worst agent ever.

    The Fernando Alonso of politicians.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    I would not support a Labour Party lead by Angela Rayner.

    Me neither. Can’t say Reform or anyone else will get my vote but I won’t vote Labour next time. Voted for them at every election since 87 although not always voted Labour in European or locals.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    To think that it's only seventeen months since you could lay Boris Johnson as next PM at 17/1
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited May 14

    Rayner says she won’t stand if Sir Keir is in the contest.

    I don’t think she will stand at all.

    Is that a gizza us a job back in cabinet our Keir and I will sort out these Southern twats trying to get rid of you.....
    There is a world in which Starmer brings Rayner back to cabinet, announces he is not opposed to Burnham running for Parliament , and that he will give him a leading role in his government, and reshuffles the pack. Imagine if you will a moment where he replaces Streeting with Ange and she comes back as DPM, demotes Mahmood, Reeves and Cooper, Burnham as prospective CoE, big jobs for Lucy Powell, Miliband et al. And basically dares his opponents to stand a different candidate against that offering/slate.

    Starmer can be ruthless with party management. If he actually attempted something of this nature I rather think he’d get away with it. He might be risking Burnham trying to nab his job in another 12-18 months’ time, but he wins the day.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Those don't count, apparently.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    Dopermean said:

    Value in laying Kier to survive the 3rd quarter?
    Wes backing off, Rayner and Ed M loyal and Burnham running around like the F1 driver with the worst agent ever.

    I still think this will all likely blow over and Keir remains leader into 2028
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it.
    Trade deficit up to 7.0 billion too, widened by £4.5 billion

    https://x.com/ons/status/2054805518078673102?s=61
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Peter Kyle has something of the Mark Carney about him. Is there a reason he isn't being considered?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    edited May 14

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Those don't count, apparently.
    Also Major, working-class graduate of the University of Life.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,652
    Almost sweet watching Ange say how relieved she is that people now know no wrong doing took place - not sure that's quite the natural reading of what's happened. Still people will be encouraged to discover HMRC are so pliant and understanding and look forward to receiving the same treatment if they are ever also neither negligent or evasive with their taxes.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,627
    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Wes would be a first too

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    Labour could do some basic stuff like create a £20bn fund over 2 years (stop wasting money on Welfare) to fund pothole repairs.

    That could all be done by the next General Election, and it'd be noticed in hundreds of constituencies.

    They need to address the enshittification, tell a story, and can then run on a "Don't Let Reform Ruin It" platform.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    The red lady enters the scene
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of new government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it. Yes the ONS will say to the media construction or retail, but normally it takes a day or two for eggheads to really look at things to pinpoint what it is.
    It seems fairly broad based, but mostly driven by expansion in the Service sector:

    "Output is estimated to have increased by 0.6% in the latest quarter, following an upwardly revised 0.2% increase in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec). Overall, in Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2026, there were increases in 14 out of 20 subsectors of GDP.

    The services sector increased by 0.8%, while the construction sector increased by 0.4% and production by 0.2%."
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    I wouldn't be surprised to see Streeting out of the Cabinet if he doesn't win the leadership contest. There will be allies and supporters to reward and only so many jobs to go round.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited May 14
    Roger said:

    Peter Kyle has something of the Mark Carney about him. Is there a reason he isn't being considered?

    I know people who dealt with him when he was Science Minister and are very much Labour sympathetic, lets just say when I asked about him, the response went beep beep beep cretin beep beep all he says is beep beep AI AI AI AI AI AI AI but knows beep beeep beeeeeeeeeeeeep about AI.....

    They were obviously big fans.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Streeting out of the Cabinet if he doesn't win the leadership contest. There will be allies and supporters to reward and only so many jobs to go round.

    Is getting to run the NHS a reward?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,333
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Though if you are honest you would say that any Labour candidate has held the country back. It isn’t about you. Or m me. Or the bond markets.

    This is now a beauty parade for morons. Labour members - like Tory members before them - now get to choose based on their narrow perceptions of what good looks like.
    Well yes, I’d say that I prefer Kemi Badenoch over any of the options Labour are likely to give their members; but given that option isn’t going to be on the table, someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances would be a good starting point!

    Anecdotal evidence I know, but a couple of friends in the UK have started to ask me about the geopolitical situation in the sandpit, and I suspect it isn’t because they’re worried about me being hit by an Iranian drone. Not rich people, but middle-class entrepreneurial types.
    So exactly as it was under the Tories then. The simple truth is that Labour and the Tories have screwed the economy. Being able to recognise that is the start of the recovery process.

    You say someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances - so not the Tories then who did just that.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,446

    Jonathan said:

    This soap opera has so many twists. Rayner for mayor?

    Sadiq for Prime Minister?
    The only person less interesting than Starmer!

    Leave it to Labour…
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Those don't count, apparently.
    Also Major, working-class graduate of the University of Life.
    I think Labour got there first with Ramsey MacDonald.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of new government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it. Yes the ONS will say to the media construction or retail, but normally it takes a day or two for eggheads to really look at things to pinpoint what it is.
    Though isn't it the MelonB theory (apologies if I'm misattributing) that the people with spare cash (people like most of us) can't/won't find things to spend it on, so businesses don't spot lots of opportunities to make lots of money, so they don't spend either?

    In which case, government taxing is and spending the proceeds might not be the craziest way to make the wheels move.
  • https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/2054790826857734295

    Who do the public prefer in a head to head vs Farage and Reform UK?

    - A Burnham led Labour govt +16
    - A Starmer led Labour govt +11
    - A Streeting led Labour govt +7
    - A Rayner led Labour govt +6
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878

    Labour could do some basic stuff like create a £20bn fund over 2 years (stop wasting money on Welfare) to fund pothole repairs.

    That could all be done by the next General Election, and it'd be noticed in hundreds of constituencies.

    They need to address the enshittification, tell a story, and can then run on a "Don't Let Reform Ruin It" platform.

    Repair? The potholes? The MoD would have kittens. It's our best prepared defence.
  • Updated favourability numbers for leading GB politicians

    https://x.com/keiranpedley/status/2054791544817832437
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,446
    Taz said:

    What amazingly convenient timing for Big Ange.

    A happy coincidence to be sure.
    To be fair to HMRC if they were likely to clear her it is reasonable to do that in time so that she can run
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,205
    Taz said:

    I would not support a Labour Party lead by Angela Rayner.

    Me neither. Can’t say Reform or anyone else will get my vote but I won’t vote Labour next time. Voted for them at every election since 87 although not always voted Labour in European or locals.
    To sum up, you voted Labour in 2017 and 2019 when led by the Marxist Corbyn but Rayner is beyond the pale for you. Bizarre.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,503

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Which parts of the Building Regulations do you want to make “easier”?
    Where to start?

    The policy has been to add to regulations, rather than revise.

    So now, in theory, to do a loft conversion, you need to fill out several hundred pages. Which are never read.

    Enforcement consists (if any) of some flying visits from building control.

    So we are seeing blocks of flats built with structural deficiencies, insulation left out on new built houses etc.

    Because sticking to the rules is so much more expensive - the cowboys “win”. Well until now.

    We have reached the point where even with absurd corner cutting, the number for new starts, in many places, don’t work.

    Before WWI the Royal Navy had an elaborate system for testing shells for naval guns. Expensive and complicated. It functionally added up to not doing any tests - no matter how many failures in a batch, if a couple worked… some estimates say that 70% of the shells were defective.

    But there was paperwork for each and every shell, by serial number.

  • How entitled is Andy Burnham?

    A longer contest just so he can run?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,446
    nico67 said:

    It’s over for Streeting. Why even bother he’s got zip chance of winning .

    If he runs and loses he’s a principled detractor who has a role to play. If he stays he’s a humbled eunach for the 30 seconds it takes for Starmer to fire him
  • Taz said:

    I would not support a Labour Party lead by Angela Rayner.

    Me neither. Can’t say Reform or anyone else will get my vote but I won’t vote Labour next time. Voted for them at every election since 87 although not always voted Labour in European or locals.
    To sum up, you voted Labour in 2017 and 2019 when led by the Marxist Corbyn but Rayner is beyond the pale for you. Bizarre.
    I would not vote for Corbyn Labour now. That was a mistake.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Though if you are honest you would say that any Labour candidate has held the country back. It isn’t about you. Or m me. Or the bond markets.

    This is now a beauty parade for morons. Labour members - like Tory members before them - now get to choose based on their narrow perceptions of what good looks like.
    Well yes, I’d say that I prefer Kemi Badenoch over any of the options Labour are likely to give their members; but given that option isn’t going to be on the table, someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances would be a good starting point!

    Anecdotal evidence I know, but a couple of friends in the UK have started to ask me about the geopolitical situation in the sandpit, and I suspect it isn’t because they’re worried about me being hit by an Iranian drone. Not rich people, but middle-class entrepreneurial types.
    So exactly as it was under the Tories then. The simple truth is that Labour and the Tories have screwed the economy. Being able to recognise that is the start of the recovery process.

    You say someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances - so not the Tories then who did just that.
    Are you calling out the Lib Dem’s leading role in austerity?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Labour could do some basic stuff like create a £20bn fund over 2 years (stop wasting money on Welfare) to fund pothole repairs.

    That could all be done by the next General Election, and it'd be noticed in hundreds of constituencies.

    They need to address the enshittification, tell a story, and can then run on a "Don't Let Reform Ruin It" platform.

    Reform will definitely be running on the enshittification and potholes.

    In Los Angeles there’s an independent guy running for mayor called Spencer Pratt. He’s unlikely to win, but he’s a really good communicator who lost his house in a big fire last year, and is running on cleaning up the city and getting it moving again.

    It’s easy to see his campaign, full of straight talking about day-to-day problems seeming obvious to everyone except the political class, being a model used by others in the future.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    To what question is Angela Rayner the answer, seriously?

    She was the housing minister for two years, oversaw a steep drop in housing starts, no legislation to make planning or building regs easier, and then had to resign over screwing up her own housing arrangements to the tune of £40k in tax.

    £40k which she’s now managed to find under the mattress despite a huge drop in salary.

    Hoping for some common sense from the MPs, when deciding who to nominate.

    Ed Miliband goes in the same bucket, everything he’s done as a minister has held the country back.

    Though if you are honest you would say that any Labour candidate has held the country back. It isn’t about you. Or m me. Or the bond markets.

    This is now a beauty parade for morons. Labour members - like Tory members before them - now get to choose based on their narrow perceptions of what good looks like.
    Well yes, I’d say that I prefer Kemi Badenoch over any of the options Labour are likely to give their members; but given that option isn’t going to be on the table, someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances would be a good starting point!

    Anecdotal evidence I know, but a couple of friends in the UK have started to ask me about the geopolitical situation in the sandpit, and I suspect it isn’t because they’re worried about me being hit by an Iranian drone. Not rich people, but middle-class entrepreneurial types.
    So exactly as it was under the Tories then. The simple truth is that Labour and the Tories have screwed the economy. Being able to recognise that is the start of the recovery process.

    You say someone who isn’t going to totally screw up the finances - so not the Tories then who did just that.
    Last years economic growth was 1.4% with 0.6% Q1 this year. I wouldn't say that was spectacular but neither is it "screwed".

    Thats not to say that there aren't economic problems, but that looks reasonably good when looking at other mature economies.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    What amazing drama with her being cleared today . The fact is she didn’t receive a penalty and they accepted it was a mistake. People can disagree on that but it’s great news as far as I’m concerned . I’ve always been a fan of her and she may well be a marmite figure but she might just save us from Miliband .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Wes would be a first too

    At least openly so.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Taz said:

    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it.
    Trade deficit up to 7.0 billion too, widened by £4.5 billion

    https://x.com/ons/status/2054805518078673102?s=61
    Rising trade deficit alongside economic growth would suggest increased private spending. See USA for an example. So this appears to be private sector rather than government led (govt spending growth doesn’t generally expand the trade deficit).

    There is so much stored up cash available to be splurged, that just a year or two of no crisis should give consumers the rationale they need.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,372
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Those don't count, apparently.
    Also Major, working-class graduate of the University of Life.
    I think Labour got there first with Ramsey MacDonald.
    The Duke of Wellington didn't go to University either. He did serve as Chancellor of Oxford though.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    Jonathan said:

    It’s interesting challenge. Do parties go for someone who appeals to their base like Miliband or Badenoch or do they go with someone with broader appeal like Cameron or Blair? It’s a question of timing.

    I think with the split into five parties the temptation to look to consolidate core support has to be very strong.

    29% could well be enough to win a comfortable majority at the next GE, but it would historically be regarded as being reduced to the bedrock of core support.

    The challenge for Labour is to be able to win over their base while also dealing with the realities of the problems faced in government. This is primarily a challenge of political storytelling rather than political positioning I think.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,503

    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of new government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it. Yes the ONS will say to the media construction or retail, but normally it takes a day or two for eggheads to really look at things to pinpoint what it is.
    The economy is highly sectionalised. In some areas, people are doing well. But the massive inflation of the cost of doing many things has massively shrunk the group who feel well off.

    Beyond that, you have a large number of people who feel they are just working to live - nothing left over after bills.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    MelonB said:

    GDP up 0.6% in Q1.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/bulletins/gdpfirstquarterlyestimateuk/januarytomarch2026#:~:text=UK real gross domestic product,(Oct to Dec) 2025.

    Growth has mildly outperformed expectations more often than not in recent years recently, under both governments. Not stellar, but better than you’d think from the headlines. The British mentality remains relentlessly negative. Which in turn holds back investment and consumer spending.

    Last years early year bump when people who know looked into the numbers was driven big load of new government spending and hence why it then went away pretty quickly. I will be interested to know what is driving this time when people have dug into the numbers*.

    * not suggesting anything dodgy, genuinely interested what it is that is driving it. Yes the ONS will say to the media construction or retail, but normally it takes a day or two for eggheads to really look at things to pinpoint what it is.
    Though isn't it the MelonB theory (apologies if I'm misattributing) that the people with spare cash (people like most of us) can't/won't find things to spend it on, so businesses don't spot lots of opportunities to make lots of money, so they don't spend either?

    In which case, government taxing is and spending the proceeds might not be the craziest way to make the wheels move.
    Yes that’s the theory. But the problem is what that does to government finances. When we don’t spend, the government has to. So while British households and businesses build up cash reserves, the public sector plunges further into the red.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086

    Taz said:

    I would not support a Labour Party lead by Angela Rayner.

    Me neither. Can’t say Reform or anyone else will get my vote but I won’t vote Labour next time. Voted for them at every election since 87 although not always voted Labour in European or locals.
    To sum up, you voted Labour in 2017 and 2019 when led by the Marxist Corbyn but Rayner is beyond the pale for you. Bizarre.
    Thems the breaks,
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    I really hope Rayner stands . The first female Labour PM with a great backstory and someone who can really connect with the public .

    No-one has cared about this "first identity politics individual" stuff for about 20 years.

    Today, we care about competence.
    Meanwhile, the Tories have had Thatcher, Sunak, and now Badenoch, as leaders.
    Those don't count, apparently.
    Also Major, working-class graduate of the University of Life.
    I think Labour got there first with Ramsey MacDonald.
    Before my time that one, but yes.
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