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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    nico67 said:

    OMG if Labour somehow end up with Miliband then they deserve to be obliterated at the next GE.

    Are Labour MPs so fxcking stupid that they’d vote for him and turn a clusterfxck into a total catastrophe?

    1) Who do they think would save the most seats?

    2) Who would make them feel best about themselves?

    The answers are not necessarily the same, but people can fool themselves than 2) = 1).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532
    Quite a crowd pleaser from Estonia
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,925

    Finland up - fav with the bookies.

    What?
    Eurovision Song Contest first semi final. Live now on BBC1
  • Finland up - fav with the bookies.

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    Eurovision Song Contest first semi final. Live now on BBC1
    What
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
  • kle4 said:

    nico67 said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
    Do you have shares in YouGov ?

    How many times are you going to post that poll ? 3 years is a long time . I’d save the bunting for the timebeing!
    lol. Does it cause you grief?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Until just now I have posted it all of three times in 13 hours. Maybe Just twice. Not exactly a barrage
    I expected a boost to Reform post the locals purely on the basis that the reporting that they'd done so well would probably cause a few people who had checked out to become interested in them again. I am surprised the Greens are so high, even if they were likely to get a smaller boost for similar reasons, but just MOE so nothing to it.

    The LDs doing ok, but being ignored, could likely explain a dip for them if it were not also MOE.
    The risk for Labour (in particular) is that after today’s omnishambolic bollocks a lot more people will think “what the hell, Farage cannot be worse”

    Reform then become the ultimate protest party for a Protestant nation. Farage becomes a kind of Cromwell with Yusuf as Halifax and my prose works as the New Model Army defeating the Prince Rupert of Wokeness at the Naseby of No Stop With The Fucking Metaphors Now

    Then we execute the Charles 1 of “change” outside the Banqueting House of the Bond markets
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    Sounds like an internal party matter to me.

    On the upside if there's any councillors or other officials with pending investigations or suspensions they are probably getting overlooked or shelved whilst MPs are in crisis mode.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    Only if they can get anti Reform tactical voting, which isn't very likely while Starmer remains PM as at present he is even more unpopular than Farage
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    HYUFD said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
    Reform actually did better in Wales on NEV than GB wide last week, 29% to 26% GN wide and 16% in Scotland
    The point though is that Reform are currently benefitting from the left vote being split between different parties. 4 if you include Scotland and Wales.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    carnforth said:

    Today's lunch and quota.



    (Let's pretend it's a real plate).

    One of only five pubs to appear in every edition of the CAMRA Good Beer Guide. The wooden arrangement in the background should allow you to guess its name.

    Looks very Dorset. No idea of the name.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933
    mwadams said:

    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
    He's finally sick of the poor advice the Pixies have been offering.
    Their "Wave of Mutilation" seems apt...
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    mwadams said:

    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
    He's finally sick of the poor advice the Pixies have been offering.
    A spot of "Where is my Mind?" might actually do Starmer some good.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    HYUFD said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
    Reform actually did better in Wales on NEV than GB wide last week, 29% to 26% GN wide and 16% in Scotland
    The point though is that Reform are currently benefitting from the left vote being split between different parties. 4 if you include Scotland and Wales.
    To an extent but the Tories are also splitting the rightwing vote now, while Reform now are winning most of the 2019 Boris voters, the Tories are still holding onto most of their 2024 Rishi voters
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806
    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
    Reform actually did better in Wales on NEV than GB wide last week, 29% to 26% GN wide and 16% in Scotland
    The point though is that Reform are currently benefitting from the left vote being split between different parties. 4 if you include Scotland and Wales.
    To an extent but the Tories are also splitting the rightwing vote now, while Reform now are winning most of the 2019 Boris voters, the Tories are still holding onto most of their 2024 Rishi voters
    Total left of centre votes still looks higher than right of centre combined. In spite of a very unpopular left of centre government.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,697
    edited May 12
    That's both Italy and Germany copying the Bucks Fizz trick of ripping clothes off.

    Moldova's is the best song for me, of what I've heard.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,551

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    Although also the districts and unitaries where Reform start on 0 (barring defectors)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    I'm pleased that my initial assessment of the noname MP jumping the gun was correct. It has helped Starmer stay in place for the foreseeable future. Labour just can't do regicide. Totally incapable. It took Brown almost 2 years of plotting before he finally got Blair to stand down and if not for Iraq I think he would have taken Labour to a third straight victory in 2009 after telling Brown to go fuck himself.

    They really needed to wait until early 2028 to do this, yes that means more council losses and demoralised activists but it also shows they gave him 4 years to prove himself and the public would forgive a knifing a year out from the election as well as putting enough distance between their leadership drama and the Tory dramas of 2016-2024 where we had 5 different PMs.

    In all this what we've learned is that the potential replacements for Starmer are just as useless or worse. I actually think that Labour currently have the best person for the job which is more a reflection on how poor the talent pool is than anything about Starmer because he's completely shit.

    My guess is that he'll brazen this out for a few weeks, let it all die down and hope the news cycle moves on then shuffle out Streeting and bring back Rayner.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    So they're looking to suspend Burnham for what?
    Organising MP's to sign a letter saying they don't want a contest now?
    Quite, quite mad if true.
    Andy Burnham'll end up being the first Green PM at the rate things are going.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    mwadams said:

    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
    He's finally sick of the poor advice the Pixies have been offering.
    Their "Wave of Mutilation" seems apt...
    Footage from the Cabinet Room - https://youtu.be/NBHHFnUqo5o?si=soCvDMoZ-s7ACC1g
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    And all councils in Scotland.
    I thought for a moment you meant all councils in Scotland would be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change, and I was to say the least surprised.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    He referred to that, but made the point that Blair wasn’t really forced out of office by his own troops in the same way that Johnson, Truss and now possibly Starmer were.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    He referred to that, but made the point that Blair wasn’t really forced out of office by his own troops in the same way that Johnson, Truss and now possibly Starmer were.
    I think that’s stretching it a bit. Blair would not have gone if the pressure from Brown and his coterie wasn’t there.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187
    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    91 to be exact.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314
    Foss said:

    mwadams said:

    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
    He's finally sick of the poor advice the Pixies have been offering.
    A spot of "Where is my Mind?" might actually do Starmer some good.
    He grew up to be a debaser.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    91 to be exact.
    And still wrong.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419
    Foss said:

    mwadams said:

    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
    He's finally sick of the poor advice the Pixies have been offering.
    A spot of "Where is my Mind?" might actually do Starmer some good.
    Manc he's gone to heaven
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,218
    It would be hilarious if the main consequence of today was the Tories knifing their leader because they see a path to victory in 2029.

    They really should…
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,218
    edited May 12
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    91 to be exact.
    Hang on. Blair was.

    Edit - just seen that this was answered.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933
    ydoethur said:

    If Wes Streeting did become PM he should make Maria Eagle Deputy PM.

    Just think of the potential of Wes side story and Maria.

    Wes Streeting looks more like Mercutio this evening.
    He shouted "A plague o' both your houses!" and died?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,001

    Finland up - fav with the bookies.

    What?
    Eurovision Song Contest first semi final. Live now on BBC1
    What
    Yaaaaaaawn
  • IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    He referred to that, but made the point that Blair wasn’t really forced out of office by his own troops in the same way that Johnson, Truss and now possibly Starmer were.
    I think that’s stretching it a bit. Blair would not have gone if the pressure from Brown and his coterie wasn’t there.
    Agreed. Blair was forced out, no question. He enjoyed being prime minister and - with some justification- felt he was better at it than Brown would ever be. He left reluctantly. They all leave reluctantly

    It was a slow ejection but he was still ejected

    Labour are fucking delusional if they think the voters aren’t noticing all of this. And making decisions thereby. They have - inter alia - destroyed all their arguments against the Tories that related to Liz Truss. Because this is worse than Truss. Interest rates have spiked ever higher than during the Trussterfuck

    Etc etc

    Meanwhile the Tories did at least dump Truss. Starmer remains like some rotting fish behind the radiator
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12
    Quite remarkable goings on in Scotland.
    Clyde playing Hamilton in the playoffs.
    Clyde at home in the first leg. Which is being played at New Douglas Park. Which is/was the home of Hamilton who they ground share with.
    Hamilton will be at home in the second leg. Which will be played at Broadwood the home of Clyde for 26 years after moving from their own ground last year in a dispute with the owner.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    Johnson?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    David Cameron.

    Harold Wilson?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    Johnson?
    Nope.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    In the case of Blair, he set out a timetable for his departure that wasn't quite the one he had originally intended. I don't think that's the same as being 'forced out.'
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    Blair and Wilson?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    David Cameron.

    Harold Wilson?
    Yup Harold Wilson, was a bit of a trick question.

    Technically Harold Wilson was leading in the polls when he lost the 1970 general election.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,697
    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    91 to be exact.
    So, within David Attenborough's lifetime.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,001
    I'd feel really ill at the thought of Ed Miliband as PM.
    Doesn't bear thinking about.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,114
    MaxPB said:

    I'm pleased that my initial assessment of the noname MP jumping the gun was correct. It has helped Starmer stay in place for the foreseeable future. Labour just can't do regicide. Totally incapable. It took Brown almost 2 years of plotting before he finally got Blair to stand down and if not for Iraq I think he would have taken Labour to a third straight victory in 2009 after telling Brown to go fuck himself.

    They really needed to wait until early 2028 to do this, yes that means more council losses and demoralised activists but it also shows they gave him 4 years to prove himself and the public would forgive a knifing a year out from the election as well as putting enough distance between their leadership drama and the Tory dramas of 2016-2024 where we had 5 different PMs.

    In all this what we've learned is that the potential replacements for Starmer are just as useless or worse. I actually think that Labour currently have the best person for the job which is more a reflection on how poor the talent pool is than anything about Starmer because he's completely shit.

    My guess is that he'll brazen this out for a few weeks, let it all die down and hope the news cycle moves on then shuffle out Streeting and bring back Rayner.

    Another advantage of 2028 is Burnham is up for reelection then. As I understand it, if he resigns within 6 months of May 2028 then no by election needed for the Mayoral role (the deputy just fills the position in the interim).

    Markets also won't care much about a more fiscally irresponsible leader being in place for a maximum of 12 months - there's only so much real world impact they can have. They will look through it to the next election.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,590

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    I think the the third place winners are back up in 2028. The metros are on a four year cycle with a fallow first year.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    David Cameron.

    Harold Wilson?
    Yup Harold Wilson, was a bit of a trick question.

    Technically Harold Wilson was leading in the polls when he lost the 1970 general election.
    What about in 1976? What was the polling like then?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687
    edited May 12

    carnforth said:

    Today's lunch and quota.



    (Let's pretend it's a real plate).

    One of only five pubs to appear in every edition of the CAMRA Good Beer Guide. The wooden arrangement in the background should allow you to guess its name.

    Looks very Dorset. No idea of the name.
    Very Good.

    It's the Square & Compass at Worth Matravers.

    https://www.squareandcompasspub.co.uk/
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,618

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable goings on in Scotland.
    Clyde playing Hamilton in the playoffs.
    Clyde at home in the first leg. Which is being played at New Douglas Park. Which is/was the home of Hamilton who they ground share with.
    Hamilton will be at home in the second leg. Which will be played at Broadwood the home of Clyde for 26 years after moving from their own ground last year in a dispute with the owner.

    I'm cheering a bonnie outcome for Clyde.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    edited May 12
    ....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    Blair, Wilson?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187
    edited May 12
    Foss said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    David Cameron.

    Harold Wilson?
    Churchill?
    That was 71 years ago.

    Attlee of course was forced to reign despite winning the popular vote in 1951, if we take it back 75 years.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Today's lunch and quota.



    (Let's pretend it's a real plate).

    One of only five pubs to appear in every edition of the CAMRA Good Beer Guide. The wooden arrangement in the background should allow you to guess its name.

    Looks very Dorset. No idea of the name.
    Very Good.

    It's the Square & Compass at Worth Matravers.
    I was thinking of Kimmeridge but wasn’t sure if there is still a pub there. But has that look of the coast and sea about it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    I'd feel really ill at the thought of Ed Miliband as PM.
    Doesn't bear thinking about.

    Rayner more likely to win the members vote if she got enough MP nominations
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764

    Blair and Wilson?

    Nah, Blair was consistently behind in the polls from the moment Dave become Tory leader.

    There was the odd outlier.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933
    edited May 12
    Russia has launched 59 kinzhal missiles at Ukraine since the middle of last year.

    58 of them have been diverted by Ukraine's electronic warfare measures. Remarkable.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187

    dixiedean said:

    Quite remarkable goings on in Scotland.
    Clyde playing Hamilton in the playoffs.
    Clyde at home in the first leg. Which is being played at New Douglas Park. Which is/was the home of Hamilton who they ground share with.
    Hamilton will be at home in the second leg. Which will be played at Broadwood the home of Clyde for 26 years after moving from their own ground last year in a dispute with the owner.

    I'm cheering a bonnie outcome for Clyde.
    Will they come Forth?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 12

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
    Reform actually did better in Wales on NEV than GB wide last week, 29% to 26% GN wide and 16% in Scotland
    The point though is that Reform are currently benefitting from the left vote being split between different parties. 4 if you include Scotland and Wales.
    To an extent but the Tories are also splitting the rightwing vote now, while Reform now are winning most of the 2019 Boris voters, the Tories are still holding onto most of their 2024 Rishi voters
    Total left of centre votes still looks higher than right of centre combined. In spite of a very unpopular left of centre government.
    No, the Tories and Reform are level with Labour, the LDs and Greens on 45% each and of course that ignores the fact the LDs governed with the Tories for 5 years. The Labour and Green combined vote is only 32%, Corbyn 2019 levels
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,697

    Russia has launched 59 kinzhal missiles at Ukraine since the middle of last year.

    58 of them have been diverted by Ukraine's electronic warfare measures. Remarkable.

    Is it as remarkable as Boy George guesting on San Marino's Eurovision entry?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    IanB2 said:

    As Lewis Goodall pointed out on LBC earlier, a Labour leader hasn’t been forced out for a hundred years or so.

    Was it that long ago that Brown evicted Blair?
    The reason I don't include Blair in my list of leaders forced out is that he was going to stand down anyway, and he wasn't forced out immediately like Thatcher, May, Johnson and Truss were.

    A political saddo recently asked me.

    In the last 60 years only two Prime Ministers have resigned whilst leading in the polls.

    Can PBers name them?

    I got one of them straight away.
    David Cameron.

    Harold Wilson?
    Yup Harold Wilson, was a bit of a trick question.

    Technically Harold Wilson was leading in the polls when he lost the 1970 general election.
    What about in 1976? What was the polling like then?
    Generally behind in the polls, there was one poll right before he quit that had Labour ahead by 7% but it was an outlier (and I think was more down to Jim Callaghan about to become PM.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Today's lunch and quota.



    (Let's pretend it's a real plate).

    One of only five pubs to appear in every edition of the CAMRA Good Beer Guide. The wooden arrangement in the background should allow you to guess its name.

    Looks very Dorset. No idea of the name.
    Very Good.

    It's the Square & Compass at Worth Matravers.

    https://www.squareandcompasspub.co.uk/
    A place in birding folklore. Red-flanked Bluetail there in November 1993. First chance for us to see one - 3,000 people arrived overnight...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    I think the the third place winners are back up in 2028. The metros are on a four year cycle with a fallow first year.

    Up next year in Bradford. Last year was the fallow year.

    As far as I'm aware all of the met boroughs are on the same cycle.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,590

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    I think the the third place winners are back up in 2028. The metros are on a four year cycle with a fallow first year.

    Up next year in Bradford. Last year was the fallow year.

    As far as I'm aware all of the met boroughs are on the same cycle.
    The cycle restarts after an all up election, usually due to boundary changes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933

    Russia has launched 59 kinzhal missiles at Ukraine since the middle of last year.

    58 of them have been diverted by Ukraine's electronic warfare measures. Remarkable.

    Is it as remarkable as Boy George guesting on San Marino's Eurovision entry?
    I doubt Boy Geoge can now sing "I'm a man without conviction" with a straight face. After he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for falsely imprisoning a male escort...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    Also a chance for Labour to lose every single ward in Wigan again.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
    Reform actually did better in Wales on NEV than GB wide last week, 29% to 26% GN wide and 16% in Scotland
    The point though is that Reform are currently benefitting from the left vote being split between different parties. 4 if you include Scotland and Wales.
    To an extent but the Tories are also splitting the rightwing vote now, while Reform now are winning most of the 2019 Boris voters, the Tories are still holding onto most of their 2024 Rishi voters
    Total left of centre votes still looks higher than right of centre combined. In spite of a very unpopular left of centre government.
    No, the Tories and Reform are level with Labour, the LDs and Greens on 45% each and of course that ignores the fact the LDs governed with the Tories for 5 years. The Labour and Green combined vote is only 32%, Corbyn 2019 levels
    Would the Lib Dems go into government under Reform. And SNP/Plaid must be worth 4%.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 12
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    Also a chance for Labour to lose every fucking ward in Wigan again.
    Language please, this site is for refined political commentators not Reform voters or Angela Rayner supporters
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532

    Russia has launched 59 kinzhal missiles at Ukraine since the middle of last year.

    58 of them have been diverted by Ukraine's electronic warfare measures. Remarkable.

    Is it as remarkable as Boy George guesting on San Marino's Eurovision entry?
    Good effort by San Marino.

    Better than Serbian Death Metal!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    Also a chance for Labour to lose every fucking ward in Wigan again.
    Language please, this site is for refined political commentators not Reform voters or Angela Rayner supporters
    That's me telt.
    You're right.
    Have edited.
    Apologies for being overly annoyed.
    Being a Wiganer I am normally a Labour voter. But under extreme pressure my inner Reform voter floods out like projectile vomit
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,764
    Hearing the phrase ABC being bandied around by govt sources of the Manchester mayor (Andy By Conference)

    https://x.com/_tomscotson/status/2054297224729833839
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,697
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    Also a chance for Labour to lose every fucking ward in Wigan again.
    Language please, this site is for refined political commentators not Reform voters or Angela Rayner supporters
    Yes. If you must, you asterisks: W****.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933
    Foxy said:

    Russia has launched 59 kinzhal missiles at Ukraine since the middle of last year.

    58 of them have been diverted by Ukraine's electronic warfare measures. Remarkable.

    Is it as remarkable as Boy George guesting on San Marino's Eurovision entry?
    Good effort by San Marino.

    Better than Serbian Death Metal!
    But good to see Serbia lighting their farts - thought it was missing this year...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,278

    Ryan Maue
    @RyanWeather

    Upcoming "mega El Niño" raising alarms around the world -- and now in the Washington Post -- comparing to the 1877 event that "wiped out 4% of the Earth's population"

    Prepare now for the potential of the "worst environmental disaster in human history"

    https://wapo.st/4d43jSC

    https://x.com/RyanWeather/status/2054187677746897086

    ====

    The 1877 event led to UK's 1879 infamous wet summer - a total disaster for uk farming with widespread v low yields and crop failure.

    Brace.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933
    The little silver-suited gnome presenter with red lace cuffs could not more embody all the annoying aspects of Eurovision if he tried.
  • DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798
    Evening all.

    Firstly, props to TSE for the fabulous pun in the header. Excellent work, sir.

    Secondly, how the actual fuck have they managed to foul this up so epically?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016


    Ryan Maue
    @RyanWeather

    Upcoming "mega El Niño" raising alarms around the world -- and now in the Washington Post -- comparing to the 1877 event that "wiped out 4% of the Earth's population"

    Prepare now for the potential of the "worst environmental disaster in human history"

    https://wapo.st/4d43jSC

    https://x.com/RyanWeather/status/2054187677746897086

    ====

    The 1877 event led to UK's 1879 infamous wet summer - a total disaster for uk farming with widespread v low yields and crop failure.

    Brace.

    This is at the same time as the Indian government has told farmers to halve their use of fertiliser - with an obvious knock-on impact to crop yields - due to shortages following the war in Iran.

    We are mega-fucked.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933

    DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Croutons from the very first Caesar salad? (Made in Mexico, I believe...)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited May 12
    It appears to be contagious.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532

    The little silver-suited gnome presenter with red lace cuffs could not more embody all the annoying aspects of Eurovision if he tried.

    More than a whiff of the Eurotrash to him.

    Looks like a vintage Eurovision. So much crazy variety. What were Greece thinking?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,933

    Hearing the phrase ABC being bandied around by govt sources of the Manchester mayor (Andy By Conference)

    https://x.com/_tomscotson/status/2054297224729833839

    So not "Anyone but C***-face"?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,187


    Ryan Maue
    @RyanWeather

    Upcoming "mega El Niño" raising alarms around the world -- and now in the Washington Post -- comparing to the 1877 event that "wiped out 4% of the Earth's population"

    Prepare now for the potential of the "worst environmental disaster in human history"

    https://wapo.st/4d43jSC

    https://x.com/RyanWeather/status/2054187677746897086

    ====

    The 1877 event led to UK's 1879 infamous wet summer - a total disaster for uk farming with widespread v low yields and crop failure.

    Brace.

    Disraeli blamed it for the collapse of his government.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798

    Hearing the phrase ABC being bandied around by govt sources of the Manchester mayor (Andy By Conference)

    https://x.com/_tomscotson/status/2054297224729833839

    So not "Anyone but C***-face"?
    Andy Burnham’s Cock?

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005
    dixiedean said:

    It appears to be contagious.

    You got the hantavirus too, huh?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534

    Hearing the phrase ABC being bandied around by govt sources of the Manchester mayor (Andy By Conference)

    https://x.com/_tomscotson/status/2054297224729833839

    I’ll be pushing a zimmer frame around by the time Burnham sets his masterplan into motion !
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
    Next year the third place winners in the metro boroughs that were all out thiscyear will be defending their seats.

    So a chance for Labour to claw back some of this year's losses.

    That's the hope in our ward, for example.
    I think the the third place winners are back up in 2028. The metros are on a four year cycle with a fallow first year.

    Up next year in Bradford. Last year was the fallow year.

    As far as I'm aware all of the met boroughs are on the same cycle.
    The cycle restarts after an all up election, usually due to boundary changes.
    We have elections in Bradford next year, then the following year, then it is the fallow year.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Coral from one of the islands where the US marines slogged it to the death with the Japanese Imperial Army?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532

    dixiedean said:

    It appears to be contagious.

    You got the hantavirus too, huh?
    Memo to self. Not the best time to clean out the Argentinian rat cage.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644

    Russia has launched 59 kinzhal missiles at Ukraine since the middle of last year.

    58 of them have been diverted by Ukraine's electronic warfare measures. Remarkable.

    Is it as remarkable as Boy George guesting on San Marino's Eurovision entry?
    I doubt Boy Geoge can now sing "I'm a man without conviction" with a straight face. After he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for falsely imprisoning a male escort...
    Perhaps change the lyrics. ‘I’m a man, with a conviction’
  • DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Croutons from the very first Caesar salad? (Made in Mexico, I believe...)
    That’s wrong BUT it is actually and weirdly close to the truth
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,645

    Someone missed an opportunity to do a Heseltine and storm out of the cabinet meeting when Starmer refused to let them speak on the leadership question.

    May be they remembered how that worked out for Hezza?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,806

    DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Have you actually been out in the sunshine all day, or have you just been inside, downing the booze and trying to snare the rest of us into sharing your admiration for your own tacky Nick Nacks that you’ve acquired to try and make your bedsit a bit more interesting?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798
    edited May 12

    DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Chondrite?
    Edit: or kidney stones?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    You passed them via your urethra?
  • IanB2 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Have you actually been out in the sunshine all day, or have you just been inside, downing the booze and trying to snare the rest of us into sharing your admiration for your own tacky Nick Nacks that you’ve acquired to try and make your bedsit a bit more interesting?
    You seem to be upset
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532


    Ryan Maue
    @RyanWeather

    Upcoming "mega El Niño" raising alarms around the world -- and now in the Washington Post -- comparing to the 1877 event that "wiped out 4% of the Earth's population"

    Prepare now for the potential of the "worst environmental disaster in human history"

    https://wapo.st/4d43jSC

    https://x.com/RyanWeather/status/2054187677746897086

    ====

    The 1877 event led to UK's 1879 infamous wet summer - a total disaster for uk farming with widespread v low yields and crop failure.

    Brace.

    Its being so cheerful wot keeps me going.
  • DougSeal said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    Have you ever thought of engaging with an argument rather than just insulting the poster? It’s what intelligent people actually do. I say this knowing that, if you reply at all,
    you’re just going to make some tired comment about my intelligence to sooth your narcissism, social anxiety, and general emotional insecurity. So win win really.
    OK I’ll give you a fun picture quiz instead

    This dull green grey pebbly stuff in a Georgian silver salt cellar, in my flat, is actually exceptional. Why?

    Clue: elsewhere on this shelf I have a medieval crossbow bolt, some musket balls from Edgehill, a few bullets from the Somme, and an arrowhead from Karahan Tepe, found by me (also nestled in Georgian salt cellars)




    Coral from one of the islands where the US marines slogged it to the death with the Japanese Imperial Army?
    No. But you’ve twigged the theme
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,950
    Just had a total rest from British politics since 17th April, having been in Boston, MA without any devices. Has anything happened since then?
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