The cabinet are making Hamlet look decisive – politicalbetting.com
The cabinet are making Hamlet look decisive – politicalbetting.com
Gordon Brown was back in the news this weekend and I cannot be helped but reminded of his premiership when Labour MPs talked about plans to oust him but never did. If you think we cannot go on like this then be prepared to be surprised.
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One way to break the impasse I guess.
https://x.com/blue_labour/status/2053854502378172841
It’s time for Keir Starmer to set out a timetable for his departure. Nothing has convinced us that he is able to rise to the challenge confronting this country. As the process unfolds, no candidate should be blocked from standing; the job is too important for factional warfare and NEC machinations.
Labour must now navigate a very difficult transition to a new Prime Minister. It must avoid the danger of retreating back into its comfort zone in which it can pretend there are no hard choices and trade-offs in rebuilding the country. There is a hard road ahead.
The people of our islands are looking for the light at the end of the tunnel. The next leader must have a clear programme of government and story to tell the British people about how we will get there.
Everyone in the Gov't is waiting for others to crack I think.
Comical that the only thing propping up SKS right now is essentially a Burnham counter-coup against Streeting and his allies.
Lorraine Beavers calls on the PM to quit.
Labour MP Lorraine Beavers also calling for PM to go. She says: “I wanted to give the Prime Minister the chance to set out that change this morning. It was a passionate speech – passion I wish I’d heard more often from the Prime Minister over the last two years.
“But the content of the speech did not suggest anything close to the scale of change needed to rebuild communities like mine. I believe that the Prime Minister should announce a timetable for leaving office. We must have a new leader in place well in advance of next year’s local elections. For our Party to rediscover its connection with working-class communities like mine, we need a democratic contest involving the most talented leaders from across our movement."
https://x.com/ashcowburn/status/2053847303744520287
(And very good, by the way. Too subtle for my first read).
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"Leon_VotedForStarmer said:
Also, COFFEE CANS
The Georgians drank their coffee short and sweet - espresso sized shots. So they handmade absolutely exquisite "coffee cans". Tiny little cups
They made so many you can also buy these on eBay very easily, and they are INSANELY cheap
Here's a few
https://ebay.us/m/DG8INp
Made in 1815. Battle of Waterloo. More than 200 years old. Gorgeous
£19
Or this one
https://ebay.us/m/wJf8Wb
Royal Derby. Around 1820
£27
Or this
https://ebay.us/m/1fn4Dr
Simple, elegant, almost modernist. 1805!
£10
Life is short. You can either drink your morning (and afternoon) espessos out of mass produced cups which have zero noom or you can spend £10 and drink it out of something handmade in 1805 and every time you do it you get a tiny little buzz of gratification, quite apart from the coffee. They are perfectly proportioned for espresso"
@turbotubbs replied:
"Don't touch the first and third - the second is likely genuine."
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Nitwit. The Georgians mass produced these things, even though they are handmade. They made billions, coz they drank a lot of coffee
The cost of antiques INCLUDING ceramics has gone through the floor. You can now pick up these incredible items for £10+
Here is an antiques shop selling them for £50 a pop, the rarer finer kind
https://www.orioleantiques.com/shop/porcelain/coffee-cans
eBay cuts out the middleman so you can pick them up for a tenner from someone who doesn't especially care, and just wants them gone. The best sellers are generally charity shops, who are gifted them by people junking their parents' or grandparents' stuff, they have nowhere to put it and don't want it or understand it, so they give it to Oxfam or some hospice charity. They in turn just want them gone, so the prices are bonkers
Trust me, no one in Guangdong is thinking "look, we can make £10 per cup if we very very carefully and painstakinely fake handmade Georgian coffee cans that almost no one wants, then ship them to Oxfam in Newent"
Dam bursting/Lorraine Beavers.
Dam bursting/beavers.
The same film had the last wordon u-turns - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiCF1QdyxhM
Or we could lean into The Scottish Play for the speech this morning: A tale told by an idiot. Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Or Julius Caesar: Et tu Ange?
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow…
Starmer needs to accept that he will allow a process to replace him and be gracious about it
Labour and the country is more important than his ego
Surely that's a made up name?
From one of those antique shops:
"A Miles Mason coffee can c.1805–10. The form is correct: straight-sided cylindrical body, slightly flared foot rim, a distinctive loop handle with the sharp upper kick. The decoration is textbook Regency - a band of raised, tooled gilding with the strawberry/vine motif against the reserved white ground, with simple gilt rims top and bottom. Miles Mason's bone china/hybrid hard-paste from this period, 1805-1810, typically has the slightly creamy, faintly grey-white tone, as seen in this example"
For months.
Labour
MPs
Always
Chicken
Out
Number 56, Jas Athwal, of historic Labour beef fame says: "Today’s speech failed to show he can regain that trust or lead us through the huge challenges we face at home and abroad"
See also the leadership candidates (e.g. Liz Kendall) who suggest 'listening to the electorate' (but only where the views of the electorate happen to coincide with the candidate; otherwise, tell the electorate they're wrong).
Gaby Hinsliff
@gabyhinsliff.bsky.social
Polite note to those still calling Labour upheaval a media-fuelled circus, why don't you focus on the real news, etc: >50 labour MPs have called publicly for the PM to go & counting. If it goes much higher, ministers may follow. We are not in the realms of 'unnamed sources slagging someone off'
https://bsky.app/profile/gabyhinsliff.bsky.social/post/3mllnjlcsdk2e
https://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/community/politically-speaking-with-jade-botterill-mp-making-a-start-to-rebuild-our-country-4725225
I don't wish to be crude, it's not my style, but, ah, you know, you would, wouldn't you
- almost certainly not, which is why idiots with no taste are selling them so cheap
Forget about choosing a PM with skill or brains or whatever, there aren't any. But who cares. You can delegate all the hard stuff to Google
In which case, just appoint a PM who is really HOT. So whenever she appears we all get a faint stirring, and gentlemen of a certain age sigh wistfully. Don't let her say anything much. Maybe "I like kittens" occasionally. Then another dazzling smile
Jade Botterill for PM. You read it here first
He’s lost another
https://x.com/cmckinnellmp/status/2053847192901710133?s=61
A chunk of opinion wants Starmer out and Burnham installed.
A chunk of opinion wants Starmer out and Rayner installed.
A chunk of opinion wants Starmer out and Streeting installed.
As long as the second half of those statements is important, Starmer survives. Because none of them wants to ditch Starmer to see him replaced with one of their rivals.
The cheesy song goes
If you can't be with the one you love,
Love the one you're with.
I don't think any of them have the ability or class to do that, though.
But the most disastrous outcome would be to tell the world that you need to replace the Printer Minister and then fail to do so.
Which is where we are.
Instead we get lesbian Worzel Gummidge, Rachel Reeves. FFS
It would be really unfortunate if they ended up expelled tom the party.
Starmer's big problem here, apart from not being any good, is that the unexpectedly large majority means that there's a significant number of MPs they never expected would be elected, so they didn't check if they were idiots. There's always a small number, Danczuk for instance, who slip through but there are more this time.
Many Labour MPs see Andy Burnham as the prince across the water who can beat Farage.
But don't underestimate those who really aren't fans, including this Cabinet Minister, who tells me:
"People forget just how useless Andy Burnham was in Westminster. He ran two dire leadership campaigns. He was the last one to leave Corbyn’s shadow cabinet only when he saw the writing on the wall. He then went up to Manchester and now wants to come trotting back with the leadership gift-wrapped for him."
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
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Strong rumours now circulating Starmer will be told by Cabinet Ministers tomorrow he must set a timetable for his departure.
Same as Boris. We don't want that again.
Last seen at an M62 service station clutching 5 Warburtons Granaries and a couple of tinned sardines - but tightlipped on his plans.
https://x.com/i/status/2053875543435538763
I'm no fan of Burnham, but what the country needs is change. By gate-crashing his way from Manchester to Westminster AB exemplifies change. If he backs that up with some serious initiatives to pacify northern WWC voters Labour may, just, have a chance. He'll certainly be up for a scrap with Nige.
All the other contenders are little more than wonky deckchairs, which will be blown over by the prevailing,
Perhaps they can bargain him down a bit.
MPs should have moved today because it is going to look very inappropriate having leadership manoeuvring overshadowing the speech - and if anyone does anything tomorrow it's bound to spill over into Wednesday.
Also the King's Speech sets out the Government's legislative programme for the Parliamentary year starting now - which begs the question if a new leader comes in do they bin some of it and replace it with something else.
And if so, what? And if the answer is "No" then why change leader?
And that question will be being asked literally immediately following the Speech which will look totally ridiculous.
It could also arguably be seen as disrespectful to King Charles. He announces the legislative programme and 5 minutes later MPs say scrap it and do something else?
This feels like the sort of thing that could backfire - we had Sunak disrespecting D-Day veterans, are we now going to have Burnham disrespecting KIng Charles?
We shall have a Labour govt until 28/29. There aren't any leaders who can magically make it either deliver what Labour voters want, or even more unlikely what mostly centre right and right wing pb-ers want. Starmer provides a level of dull stability that may well be preferable to rolling the dice this far from the next election.
When I first saw her I thought, Hold on that Skyr's wife, but a lot younger.....
Justice Secretary David Lammy had an extraordinary row with Labour MP Charlotte Nichols over his plan to axe half of jury trials.
Ms Nichols said: “They (the Government) were trying to pitch it as criminals and legal professionals kicking off, and we are standing up for victims.
“They kept really hammering this line.
“On one occasion, I got into a row with David Lammy because I don’t think the proposals are workable.
“He said ‘tell that to the rape victims waiting three years in court’.
“I’ve been that rape victim. I know what that feels like.”
Unless that is they don’t want any of those 2.
BREAKING: Sally Jameson, a PPS in the Home Office, has called on PM to set timetable to stand down, and Tom Rutland, Emma Reynolds PPS has just resigned
Of course, what this does is immediately lame-ducks Starmer and Reeves and the Labour government for the next 4-6 months while all this psychodrama plays out, so I’m not quite sure the party will be in a much better place by the end of it.
Already posted
Joe Morris, Wes Streeting's PPS, has just called his whip to resign
First up is ex-Sunderland trainee Paul Beavers, who has long since vanished into obscurity. The perfect foil for him? Why, on loan from Sheffield Wednesday it's Ghanaian striker Junior Agogo.
The end result? Beavers Agogo."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2003/jan/15/theknowledge.sport
There were some Italian Job references in the last thread. Here's another one.
Team Burnham were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off.
Starmer isn’t going to hang around for 5 months as a lame duck . The Burnham fan club must be close to tears !
@DPJHodges
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The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
Wes Streeting allies appear to be going over the top tonight
The decision of Joe Morris, his PPS, to resign and call for Starmer to go is significant
Several MPs viewed as close allies of Streeting - Chris Curtis, the chairman of the Labour Growth Group, Jas Athwal, the Labour MP for Ilford South, and Alan Gemmell - have already gone public
Morris said he wants a 'swift' timetable for a leadership contest - Streeting would be the biggest beneficiary
The number of MPs calling for Starmer to go is now well over 60 and counting