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edited May 11 in General
The power of the Starmer speech? Catherine West backs down – politicalbetting.com

I’ve been busy all morning and I haven’t watched the speech so cannot comment on it, it might be a case of post hoc ergo propter hoc in thinking the speech has made Catherine West back down.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    I am back at 4.30ish.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    Labour MPs Always Chicken Out

    LMACO
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    FTP:

    nico67 said:

    Just seen Stringer is saying Starmer should stand down immediately. That wouldn’t help Burnham .

    Starmer could stand down as an MP, Burnham fights the by-election in Holborn & St Pancras and is elected, then takes over the premiership.

    This has the advantage that it would save Camden council some money as they could simultaneously run the by-election for the ward where the elected Green turned out to be ineligible to be a councillor.

    I submit that this is a better plan than Catherine West’s.
    Electoral Calculus currently has Holborn and St Pancras as a Green gain. Which would be a bit of a giggle.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    What has Big Ange got to say?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    RIP Moff Jerjerrod (aka Michael Pennington).
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdepdpwpp5jo
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    So West clearly lacked the MPs to nominate her, Starmer is safe for another year. Streeting knows he doesn't need to challenge him while Burnham is out of the Commons as he is heir apparent until then
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,965
    Nigelb said:

    Starmer will go, as he governed - taking far too long to get on with it.

    To be fair, lots of us take far too long to go. I find adding raisins to one’s breakfast cereal helps.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380

    I am back at 4.30ish.

    We'll keep some popcorn to one side for you.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    Nigelb said:

    Starmer will go, as he governed - taking far too long to get on with it.

    There was that odd period when he kept on calling Sunak the prime minister.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    Over to Streeting, Rayner and Burnham now.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958

    What has Big Ange got to say?

    That he would have done better with Spurs this season than Frank.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958
    So instead of Go West things have just gone south? And its still not time for the King of the North?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012
    HYUFD said:

    So West clearly lacked the MPs to nominate her, Starmer is safe for another year. Streeting knows he doesn't need to challenge him while Burnham is out of the Commons as he is heir apparent until then

    No he isn't.

    This isn't over by a long way.

    This has, in essence, only just started.

    We have the rest of the Mandelson papers to come. Plus much more
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,198

    What has Big Ange got to say?

    He thought the VAR decision last night was terrible.

    Or did you not mean Postacoglu?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959

    HYUFD said:

    So West clearly lacked the MPs to nominate her, Starmer is safe for another year. Streeting knows he doesn't need to challenge him while Burnham is out of the Commons as he is heir apparent until then

    No he isn't.

    This isn't over by a long way.

    This has, in essence, only just started.

    We have the rest of the Mandelson papers to come. Plus much more
    There will be nothing in them beyond civil servants bitching about Trump.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434

    What has Big Ange got to say?

    She says Burnham shouldn’t have been blocked
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    IanB2 said:

    What has Big Ange got to say?

    She says Burnham shouldn’t have been blocked
    So what ?
    That's the past.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    So lots of people in Westminster have lost respect for me after this header.

    Their response is uniformly

    'You're a Miley fucking Cyrus fan?'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Oh no. How awful.

    Tar and feather him now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380

    So lots of people in Westminster have lost respect for me after this header.

    Their response is uniformly

    'You're a Miley fucking Cyrus fan?'

    I was trying to work out if there was some subtle connection to Catherine West in that choice.

    I am hopeless at TV's Only Connect.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,275
    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,198

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Presumably thinks Net-Zero means zero Jews left between the river and the sea.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/2053804730669776979

    Exc: Chris Curtis - Lab Milton Keynes MP and influential head of the Labour growth group - joining calls for Keir Starmer to go

    Speaks exclusively on @skynews now

    He wants the PM to set out a timetable and will be signing the Catherine West letter. Not backing a candidate - the growth group is putting out a report with their agenda tomorrow
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,181
    Another labour mp, Chris Curtice of Labour Growth Group co - chair, live on Sky wanting Starmer to go
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878

    HYUFD said:

    So West clearly lacked the MPs to nominate her, Starmer is safe for another year. Streeting knows he doesn't need to challenge him while Burnham is out of the Commons as he is heir apparent until then

    No he isn't.

    This isn't over by a long way.

    This has, in essence, only just started.

    We have the rest of the Mandelson papers to come. Plus much more
    Mandelson was closer to Streeting if anything than Starmer
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959

    https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/2053804730669776979

    Exc: Chris Curtis - Lab Milton Keynes MP and influential head of the Labour growth group - joining calls for Keir Starmer to go

    Speaks exclusively on @skynews now

    He wants the PM to set out a timetable and will be signing the Catherine West letter. Not backing a candidate - the growth group is putting out a report with their agenda tomorrow

    God they are dragging this out.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    jonny83 said:

    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.

    Burnham is currently the only senior politician from Labour, the Tories, the LDs or Greens or Reform with a positive net approval rating that is why

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54604-political-favourability-ratings-april-2026
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    Maybe Streeting’s best tactic would be to wait for Starmer to be forced into setting out a timetable and then saying that the country can’t afford to wait.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434

    https://x.com/samcoatessky/status/2053804730669776979

    Exc: Chris Curtis - Lab Milton Keynes MP and influential head of the Labour growth group - joining calls for Keir Starmer to go

    Speaks exclusively on @skynews now

    He wants the PM to set out a timetable and will be signing the Catherine West letter. Not backing a candidate - the growth group is putting out a report with their agenda tomorrow

    God they are dragging this out.
    They’re only just warming up
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958
    HYUFD said:

    jonny83 said:

    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.

    Burnham is currently the only senior politician from Labour, the Tories, the LDs or Greens or Reform with a positive net approval rating that is why

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54604-political-favourability-ratings-april-2026
    That is true. I also suspect it would last about 3 months if he were PM. Voters want what they can't have and we can't afford.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    HYUFD said:

    jonny83 said:

    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.

    Burnham is currently the only senior politician from Labour, the Tories, the LDs or Greens or Reform with a positive net approval rating that is why

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54604-political-favourability-ratings-april-2026
    Which only works because he's sat in Manchester that is doing rather well for itself at the moment.

    Move to a different stage and Burnham will very quickly get the same approval ratings everyone else gets when he fails to make their local town the success Manchester seems to be.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,873
    mwadams said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
    These are the cuddly ones, chosen to appeal to the general public.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,257
    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,783
    Nigelb said:

    RIP Moff Jerjerrod (aka Michael Pennington).
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdepdpwpp5jo

    Casualty/Holby City yes, The Bill yes, Dr Who no.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,257
    Taz said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Oh no. How awful.

    Tar and feather him now.
    Only if it's Bio Tar and Vegan feathers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    Same time next week for another relaunch?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,783
    mwadams said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
    Glup Shitto, new Reform councillor for Romford.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 854
    edited May 11
    Nigelb said:

    RIP Moff Jerjerrod (aka Michael Pennington).
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdepdpwpp5jo

    I prefer to remember him as a distinguished Shakespearean actor. I saw him as Mark Antony in Antony and Cleopatra in Chichester playing opposite Kim Cattrall.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    jonny83 said:

    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.

    Hopecasting - "He's the messiah"
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    edited May 11
    I'm glad Catherine West has backed down. The mechanics of getting to a leadership contest is not straightforward.

    If she had hoovered up 80 signatures, they would not have been available to others and there will be a significant caucus of MPs who will not nominate anyone either because they are at ministerial level and feel they can't (this is something I disagree with, I feel ministers should be at liberty to back others in a private nomination process without resigning) or because they don't like the alternatives or wish to wait for Andy Burnham to participate or because they have some loyalty to some of the lower level implementation going on at the moment or, indeed, to Starmer himself. That leaves potentially not a lot of MPs to nominate any single challenger alongside her.

    And if she released her signatures by withdrawing before someone else reached 80, then you are back to square one, there would be no contest at that juncture.

    In short, her intervention didn't make much practical sense in terms of moving things forward.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231
    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Ouch.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Skynet.....
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,257

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Glad you checked. Can't have people believing everything on the internet - or in political speeches.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    Starmer's big relaunch coming with a new slogan...

    2021 slogan: Stronger Future Together
    2022 slogan: A Fairer, Greener Future
    2026 slogan: Stronger Fairer Britain
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Glad you checked. Can't have people believing everything on the internet - or in political speeches.
    According to a Prof. I know at Imperial, AI detection is quite often a scam. They have a whole team there, working on real AI detection.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    Nigelb said:

    RIP Moff Jerjerrod (aka Michael Pennington).
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdepdpwpp5jo

    "I need more men!"

    RIP
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    mwadams said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
    Goes nicely with the Tattoine cantina vibe that many of them evince.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,954

    Starmer's big relaunch coming with a new slogan...

    2021 slogan: Stronger Future Together
    2022 slogan: A Fairer, Greener Future
    2026 slogan: Stronger Fairer Britain

    I'd say he's done quite well on 50% of the 2022 version. There now are many more Greens in local government than there were then!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,785
    jonny83 said:

    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.

    He comes across like he has some ideas at least, which is more than you can say about the PM.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Rayner showed more connection with the public in one minute on stage than Starmer managed in his 20 minutes .

    Starmer really should try and laugh at himself sometimes . Indeed he should have highlighted he’s a bit wooden , he’s not a natural politician . His line should have been “ I can’t change my personality but I’m confident I can change the country for the better “.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,257

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Glad you checked. Can't have people believing everything on the internet - or in political speeches.
    According to a Prof. I know at Imperial, AI detection is quite often a scam. They have a whole team there, working on real AI detection.
    My daughter is discussing a part-time role in checking AI science based output. There's money in it if the output can be trusted. The other sprog is using Claude to check his companies monthly financials but that's taking a bit more time to train/retrain Claude output versus actual financial result. Once the trust issue is resolved then what are the limits?

    As an aside, if this site's content is being used by an AI odds setter, then there may be some good betting opportunities.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    viewcode said:

    mwadams said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
    Glup Shitto, new Reform councillor for Romford.
    We had a Marquis Jon Craven as a Reform candidate in Huddersfield, beaten out by the Greens.

    I know this is not an atypical Muslim name, but I was also kind of sad that he didn't come up against Labour's Sheik Rashid Wasim who stood in Batley, as a Sheikh versus a Marquis would have been a proper battle.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Glad you checked. Can't have people believing everything on the internet - or in political speeches.
    According to a Prof. I know at Imperial, AI detection is quite often a scam. They have a whole team there, working on real AI detection.
    "Let's just say we'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements!"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Over to Streeting, Rayner and Burnham now.

    Bizarre Love Triangle.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,719
    HYUFD said:

    So West clearly lacked the MPs to nominate her, Starmer is safe for another year. Streeting knows he doesn't need to challenge him while Burnham is out of the Commons as he is heir apparent until then

    Although 'safe' is overegging it I do think the chances of him getting through this are being a tad underrated. Many (most) in the party want a new leader in place by the time of the party conference but he isn't about to acquiesce to that. The notion of an orderly 'summer of love' process that ends with his departure is for the birds. Instead what he's saying is 'come and have a go if you think you're hard enough' and it's not clear that anybody is. At least not right now.

    It would mean either a mass internal revolt to force a humiliating resignation a la Johnson (not happening) or a leadership contest via hostile challenge (looking unlikely). So what we could get is a period of stasis (in the party) whereby Starmer carries on until Andy Burnham has tried and failed/succeeded to become an MP. Then (unless Starmer has somehow transformed his ratings by then) comes the contest - with Burnham if he's made it, without him if he hasn't.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,464
    HYUFD said:

    jonny83 said:

    I don't understand the Burnham love out there and I certainly don't think he will change Labour's fortunes at the next election.

    Burnham is currently the only senior politician from Labour, the Tories, the LDs or Greens or Reform with a positive net approval rating that is why

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54604-political-favourability-ratings-april-2026
    The public must have a soft spot for self-entitled arrogance.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241
    edited May 11

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    The previous administration in Birmingham has been putting all recycling into landfill for more than a year...

    Edit: how that isn't against statutory duties I don't know
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,961
    Noone gives a shit what Starmer says anymore.
    I haven't seen his speech and I knew it would be shite before he had opened his gob.
    Hes had his go and failed miserably. The only thing left to do now is to resign with some humility
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,505
    I. Have. Rejoined.

    (the Cons, not PB ffs)
  • Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,961

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Not enough votes?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    LMACO
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    So lots of people in Westminster have lost respect for me after this header.

    Their response is uniformly

    'You're a Miley fucking Cyrus fan?'

    Who's Miley fucking Cyrus?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231

    Noone gives a shit what Starmer says anymore.
    I haven't seen his speech and I knew it would be shite before he had opened his gob.
    Hes had his go and failed miserably. The only thing left to do now is to resign with some humility

    He has decided to do it with some humiliation instead. Very close.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,231
    carnforth said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    The previous administration in Birmingham has been putting all recycling into landfill for more than a year...

    Edit: how that isn't against statutory duties I don't know
    Would have been far better to incinerate it.
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789
    edited May 11

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Glad you checked. Can't have people believing everything on the internet - or in political speeches.
    According to a Prof. I know at Imperial, AI detection is quite often a scam. They have a whole team there, working on real AI detection.
    "Let's just say we'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements!"
    Just kidding! It's my alma mater.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547

    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    A new tactic from LotO - NOT calling for the PM to resign.

    https://x.com/kemibadenoch/status/2053788418010755093

    Keir Starmer’s speech was sad to watch. With so many resets, even his reset button needs a reset.

    But I do not take pleasure in watching the Prime Minister flounder. The country needs leadership, not another speech from a man who clearly knows something has gone badly wrong, but still can't explain why.

    This is Labour’s real problem. It is not just Starmer - all the pretenders jostling for his job do not have the answers either, because they all believe the same things: more welfare, more state control, more borrowing, more regulation. They are busy arguing over who should drive the car, but the truth is they are all heading in the wrong direction. They have no vision for the future.

    What we need is to get Britain working again. That is why I have proposed an alternative King’s Speech with a a clear plan to reward effort, cut the cost of government, secure our borders, rebuild industry and back families who do the right thing.

    If Labour are serious about fixing the country they could do all of this tomorrow. Whether they have the bravery or the common sense to do that is a different matter.

    Text checker says AI and plagiarism.


    That site is a scam. I pasted in a section from an internet RFC document written in 1996 and it claimed it is 82% AI...
    Glad you checked. Can't have people believing everything on the internet - or in political speeches.
    According to a Prof. I know at Imperial, AI detection is quite often a scam. They have a whole team there, working on real AI detection.
    "Let's just say we'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements!"
    Just kidding! It's my alma mater.
    No longer a Starmer Trooper?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878

    So lots of people in Westminster have lost respect for me after this header.

    Their response is uniformly

    'You're a Miley fucking Cyrus fan?'

    Who's Miley fucking Cyrus?
    I don't know know, that's her business, and my name isn't Cyrus.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,630

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    As a Warhol aficionado, she wanted fifteen minutes of fame.
    She's had it now, and will return to obscurity outside Hornsey and Wood Green.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Because really, the most popular choice in the party by some measure is likely Burnham (who Ange now appears to have thrown her weight behind too).

    And the timetable for an immediate contest doesn’t work for Burnham.

    So Burnham needs between now and party conference to engineer a return to the Commons.

    Let’s see if we hear about an MP standing aside in the next day or so.

    I think the NEC will struggle to block the candidacy now without provoking civil war.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398
    edited May 11
    Big_Ian said:

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
    Quiet word from Ange, who is going to ensure there is now a Cabinet challenge to Starmer- if not by herself. She wants to wait for Burnham. A promisse of Chancellor from Andy mebbe?

    Anyway, Starmer is gone this year, most likely by Conference.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,630

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Because really, the most popular choice in the party by some measure is likely Burnham (who Ange now appears to have thrown her weight behind too).

    And the timetable for an immediate contest doesn’t work for Burnham.

    So Burnham needs between now and party conference to engineer a return to the Commons.

    Let’s see if we hear about an MP standing aside in the next day or so.

    I think the NEC will struggle to block the candidacy now without provoking civil war.
    Civil war? That seems an excessive reaction to an NEC decision.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Because really, the most popular choice in the party by some measure is likely Burnham (who Ange now appears to have thrown her weight behind too).

    And the timetable for an immediate contest doesn’t work for Burnham.

    So Burnham needs between now and party conference to engineer a return to the Commons.

    Let’s see if we hear about an MP standing aside in the next day or so.

    I think the NEC will struggle to block the candidacy now without provoking civil war.
    Civil war? That seems an excessive reaction to an NEC decision.
    Well, I ain't fighting for any faction.
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 311

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Because really, the most popular choice in the party by some measure is likely Burnham (who Ange now appears to have thrown her weight behind too).

    And the timetable for an immediate contest doesn’t work for Burnham.

    So Burnham needs between now and party conference to engineer a return to the Commons.

    Let’s see if we hear about an MP standing aside in the next day or so.

    I think the NEC will struggle to block the candidacy now without provoking civil war.
    That’s assuming that the NEC is working for Starmer. Earlier in the day a poster (sorry I forget who) made that exact point - a point that I hadn’t thought about before. If current NEC membership is allied to the “Labour together” types that supported Starmer it seems reasonable to assume that they may have their own idea of who comes next - possibly Streeting. If that is the case why would they make it easy for Burnham to become an MP?

    I am not massively au-fait with the current NEC or who’s likely to get seats next time there are elections. But suffice to say it may not just be Starmer that wants to keep the self proclaimed King of the North out of Westminster for now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,670
    viewcode said:

    mwadams said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
    Glup Shitto, new Reform councillor for Romford.
    A lot of talk about suspicious goings on with Reform councillors. I started looking into our local councillor who has knocked out the sitting Tory. Apparently the photo used online is not actually the person named. Reform has used a photo of a former Chief Constable and CBE rather than the actual man who stood and was elected to the council. The plot thickens……
    https://x.com/SarahCholwill/status/2053584077270180277
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92

    Big_Ian said:

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
    Quiet word from Ange, who is going to ensure there is now a Cabinet challenge to Starmer- if not by herself. She wants to wait for Burnham. A promisse of Chancellor from Andy mebbe?

    Anyway, Starmer is gone this year, most likely by Conference.
    OK, so next thing: how exactly does Andy get back in?
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 765
    Seen a list of 51 Lab MPs who are supposed to have called on Starmer to resign. I could only see 3 Scottish MPs on the list

    Did they did see the results on Friday? I get the impression a lot of Starmers 2024 intake are more supine than most Slab MSPs
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,140
    viewcode said:

    mwadams said:

    Lewis Warner
    @LewisJWarner

    🚨 TODAY: Reform UK picks the leader of the largest group on Birmingham City Council.

    One name tipped for the top job: Jex Parkin

    Before the election, he told me about the party’s priorities and blasted what he called “net zero nonsense” 👇

    @itvcentral

    https://x.com/LewisJWarner/status/2053745843631513655

    ===

    Can't or won't say whether man-made climate change is real.

    Are they deliberately picking Star Wars Villain names?
    Glup Shitto, new Reform councillor for Romford.
    If only any of them were that good!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,547
    mwadams said:

    So lots of people in Westminster have lost respect for me after this header.

    Their response is uniformly

    'You're a Miley fucking Cyrus fan?'

    Who's Miley fucking Cyrus?
    I don't know know, that's her business, and my name isn't Cyrus.
    Whatever you say, Shirley.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    Lisa Nandy was on WATO and she sounded so down that the interviewer asked her about it. She admitted that they had lost 25 out of 25 seats in Wigan and she was "reeling". The full scale of Thursday's disaster for Labour is still sinking in. Pretty much every MP where there were elections will know councillors, MSPs or AMs who lost their seats. Its quite hard not to conclude that they cannot go on like this.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 635
    Big_Ian said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
    Quiet word from Ange, who is going to ensure there is now a Cabinet challenge to Starmer- if not by herself. She wants to wait for Burnham. A promisse of Chancellor from Andy mebbe?

    Anyway, Starmer is gone this year, most likely by Conference.
    OK, so next thing: how exactly does Andy get back in?
    He doesn't, he'll lose the by-election to the Greens.
    And Reform will take the GM Mayoralty.
    Absolute Cinema
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    DavidL said:

    Lisa Nandy was on WATO and she sounded so down that the interviewer asked her about it. She admitted that they had lost 25 out of 25 seats in Wigan and she was "reeling". The full scale of Thursday's disaster for Labour is still sinking in. Pretty much every MP where there were elections will know councillors, MSPs or AMs who lost their seats. Its quite hard not to conclude that they cannot go on like this.

    But Labour don't need a strategy to win back white working class voters, just a bunch of lefty woke stuff to get the trendy Green voters in central London back.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,215

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Because really, the most popular choice in the party by some measure is likely Burnham (who Ange now appears to have thrown her weight behind too).

    And the timetable for an immediate contest doesn’t work for Burnham.

    So Burnham needs between now and party conference to engineer a return to the Commons.

    Let’s see if we hear about an MP standing aside in the next day or so.

    I think the NEC will struggle to block the candidacy now without provoking civil war.
    Do not underestimate the tendency of the proteges of McSweeney to act in the most factional way possible, even now. They still control the operation of the Labour Party through "Labour Together" and "Labour to Win". They want Streeting to be the one that eventually succeeds Starmer and they will stop at nothing to make that happen. The NEC majority is dominated by that wing of the party and (with the exception of the directly elected Lucy Powell) they have used that domination to monopolise the NEC Officers which is no coincidence. They were the ones who by 9 to 1 voted to block Burnham in February.

    But even if, in some parallel universe, the NEC somehow did not block Burnham's candidacy, Streeting could through timing. That is, there are three different interests who effectively all have a veto on Burnham standing.
    1. Starmer, obviously, because the NEC officers will follow his lead while he is leader.
    2. The NEC officers who even if Starmer throws in the towel will block Burnham in order to give Streeting the best possible chance.
    3. Streeting himself, for he can launch a leadership contest at any time before Burnham becomes an MP. He will do so if he considers it necessary because he doesn't have a chance if he allows Burnham to run against him.

    I simply don't see a path for Burnham to become next PM, at least by any of the routes being talked about.

    With Burnham now 2/1 favourite on Betfair, it implies that there is value in backing other candidates.


  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92
    Sweeney74 said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
    Quiet word from Ange, who is going to ensure there is now a Cabinet challenge to Starmer- if not by herself. She wants to wait for Burnham. A promisse of Chancellor from Andy mebbe?

    Anyway, Starmer is gone this year, most likely by Conference.
    OK, so next thing: how exactly does Andy get back in?
    He doesn't, he'll lose the by-election to the Greens.
    And Reform will take the GM Mayoralty.
    Absolute Cinema
    Well, quite.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,520
    edited May 11
    fpt:
    Sandpit said:

    Icarus said:

    Off Topic:

    "Data gathered by the global business insurer QBE via freedom of information requests reveals that fire brigades were called to 1,760 fires linked to lithium-ion batteries in 2025, equating to 4.8 fires a day, an increase of 147% over the past three years.

    Electric vehicle fires rose by 133% over the same period, while the number of electric vehicles on UK roads tripled during that time.

    QBE researchers found that ebike fires made up nearly a third of all lithium-ion battery fires nationally and noted that retrofitted and converted ebikes appeared to be disproportionately involved compared with certified models.

    There were 520 callouts to fires involving ebikes in 2025, compared with 149 in 2022. London fire brigade (LFB) tackled 44% of these, with 230 ebike fires occurring in the capital last year and five related fatalities in the past three years."

    It’s the Chinese kits, cheaply ordered online and often mislabeled, that are the problem. Customs need to be better at finding them, and trading standards need to be more proactive in policing bike shops reselling and fitting them. No, your electric Brompton isn’t going to ‘go on fire’.

    I do wonder how well the Chinese cars are crash-tested, and if what arrives on the boat is then representative of what was certified. As with bikes, a Western-brand car is unlikely to catch fire in regular use, as opposed to after a major accident.
    The EVs have about 10% of the rate of fires as fossil fuel vehicles, but they are typically far more serious incidents.

    For "bikes" and similar, it is as noted down to a political decision not to regulate the marketplace for safety, unlike powertools, laptops, kettles and the rest.

    This one is a really serious issue now that Insurance Companies and insurance companies are running ignorant, panicked and scared and clamping down on everything from a base of ignorance. Here is an example case that has been fought this year.

    TLDR: Masters student at a Russell Group Uni had her power wheelchair attachment, which is fully certified and allowed on aeroplanes and costs about £3-4k, compulsorily stored in a security guard controlled 'shed' rather than her accommodation.

    She could only access it by going to the accommodation, with a wait of 10-20 minutes. And when that was unstaffed it was a phone call to when security were on duty, and and even longer wait as it needed an elaborate explanation. How would we feel if forced to access our outdoor shoes on those terms?

    By the time they checked with a real fire expert, her social life had been wrecked, the battery was damaged by the conditions and needed replacing (cost: £500), extra self-propelling had exacerbated shoulder injuries so basic tasks like opening doors became difficult, and more.

    But the institution did not get any of it, even afterwards, even after they had acted on an assumed non-existent risk that they did not bother to find out about.

    It is very difficult to enforce action on, which should have been able to be done the same day. But the enforcement mechanisms in the Equality Act were gutted in 2011, and now the bastards want to repeal the whole thing because they have a couple of bees in their bonnet.

    https://wheelsforwellbeing.org.uk/case-study-letty-and-her-wheelchair-front-power-assist-attachment/
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
    DavidL said:

    Lisa Nandy was on WATO and she sounded so down that the interviewer asked her about it. She admitted that they had lost 25 out of 25 seats in Wigan and she was "reeling". The full scale of Thursday's disaster for Labour is still sinking in. Pretty much every MP where there were elections will know councillors, MSPs or AMs who lost their seats. Its quite hard not to conclude that they cannot go on like this.

    Nearly as bad. I fear that geniuses will be doubling down on how to win back Reform voters.

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2053822117737615397?s=46&t=fJymV-V84rexmlQMLXHHJQIn
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    Because really, the most popular choice in the party by some measure is likely Burnham (who Ange now appears to have thrown her weight behind too).

    And the timetable for an immediate contest doesn’t work for Burnham.

    So Burnham needs between now and party conference to engineer a return to the Commons.

    Let’s see if we hear about an MP standing aside in the next day or so.

    I think the NEC will struggle to block the candidacy now without provoking civil war.
    Civil war? That seems an excessive reaction to an NEC decision.
    It is a period of civil war. Burnhamite spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Keirish Empire.

    During the battle, Burnhamite spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STARMER, a policy relaunch with enough power to destroy an entire parliamentary majority.

    Pursued by the Keirish Empire's sinister agents, Princess Angie races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her Party, and restore freedom to these islands....

    https://starwarsintrocreator.kassellabs.io/#!/FOsMB-Jja-9lC1aBlek_
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,879
    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/2053816181711061327

    UPDATE: Catherine West says she accidentally called for a leadership election "in September" in her email to Labour MPs

    She meant a new leader should be in place by September, but wants the contest to begin "soon"
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,140
    Sweeney74 said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
    Quiet word from Ange, who is going to ensure there is now a Cabinet challenge to Starmer- if not by herself. She wants to wait for Burnham. A promisse of Chancellor from Andy mebbe?

    Anyway, Starmer is gone this year, most likely by Conference.
    OK, so next thing: how exactly does Andy get back in?
    He doesn't, he'll lose the by-election to the Greens.
    And Reform will take the GM Mayoralty.
    Absolute Cinema
    He missed his chance - if he wanted to be PM this parliament he should have stood at the GE. He decided to carry on as GM Mayor instead and Starmer is right to hold him to that.

    The sooner Labour realise Burnham isn't going to be able to save them the better (and he wouldn't anyway, IMO he will be worse than Starmer). Then they would be able to choose one of the available options now, then shut up. But they won't.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,215
    DavidL said:

    Lisa Nandy was on WATO and she sounded so down that the interviewer asked her about it. She admitted that they had lost 25 out of 25 seats in Wigan and she was "reeling". The full scale of Thursday's disaster for Labour is still sinking in. Pretty much every MP where there were elections will know councillors, MSPs or AMs who lost their seats. Its quite hard not to conclude that they cannot go on like this.

    Yes, I heard it too. So much for those who claimed that a Labour disaster was priced in and that anything under a 1,500 seat loss would be greeted by relief within the party and somehow strengthen Starmer's position.
  • Catherine West looking competent then
  • Also Labour to poll under 10% this week?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 635
    PJH said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Big_Ian said:

    Catherine West has backed down for seemingly no logical reason I can understand.

    She was bluffing, just trying to nudge the big names? Either that or now persuaded to wait for Burnham.
    Quiet word from Ange, who is going to ensure there is now a Cabinet challenge to Starmer- if not by herself. She wants to wait for Burnham. A promisse of Chancellor from Andy mebbe?

    Anyway, Starmer is gone this year, most likely by Conference.
    OK, so next thing: how exactly does Andy get back in?
    He doesn't, he'll lose the by-election to the Greens.
    And Reform will take the GM Mayoralty.
    Absolute Cinema
    He missed his chance - if he wanted to be PM this parliament he should have stood at the GE. He decided to carry on as GM Mayor instead and Starmer is right to hold him to that.

    The sooner Labour realise Burnham isn't going to be able to save them the better (and he wouldn't anyway, IMO he will be worse than Starmer). Then they would be able to choose one of the available options now, then shut up. But they won't.
    The Greens and Reform have the Big Mo, there is no safe seat he can land in now.
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