Translation into English: I'm as totally out of touch as the Prime Minister and think one more heave and we will see a turn around.
Alternatively- I've got to say something and this is about the only thing I can say.
To be fair, she’s out of a job herself if Starmer goes so out of all of the leading cabinet figures I’d expect her to be loyal (despite the fact I think Starmer treats her pretty poorly, as with most colleagues to be fair).
I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.
Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
Oh my sweet summer child, have you actually had a look at the results in Salford, Manchester and particularly Wigan 😂😂😂
Better for Labour than most of GB
GM was among Labour's worst results. They lost about 80% of the seats they were defending. (Have you clocked they elect in thirds so most councillors weren't up for reelection?)
I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.
Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.
Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.
What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking
Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
@lukeakehurst · 9h A useful benchmark for London is that in 2006 Labour only held control of 7 London boroughs. So far we have already held Merton, Ealing and Hammersmith & Fulham.
LOL You can literally smell the desperation from one term wanker Luke
I will just say this - I am not a Reform, Nationalist, or Green supporter. However, in some ways seeing these great bastions of the main parties crumble after decades of single party dominance does give me some cheer, even if I don’t agree with the parties taking over. That’s democracy, and it’s not healthy for places to stay in the hands of the same people for an extended period of time. If the polling continues as it is, Labour will lose the great northern cities in the coming years and the Tories will continue to struggle in their old rural heartlands. Perhaps it is too much to ask that these places get good governance as a result, but they will get fresh perspectives, and maybe that is not altogether a bad thing.
Frustratingly, while Trafford has now completed, the MEN's results service - which has been exvellent all day - has ground to a halt. So I still don't know if my ward changed hands. I assume a rare-ish Labour hold.
I'm old enough to remember being poopoohed when I suggested Reform could very well take South Tyneside and Gateshead.
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I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.
Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.
Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.
What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking
Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
Starmer won't lead Labour into the next GE but he is almost certainly now safe to stay PM for another year given Labour are second on seats won, next year when it is mainly shire district and unitary seats up and London doesn't vote it might be a different story
I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.
Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
They got mullered in all 3 and held on due to election by thirds
Labour also won most seats up today in Trafford, normally a key swing council in Greater Manchester
I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.
Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
Oh my sweet summer child, have you actually had a look at the results in Salford, Manchester and particularly Wigan 😂😂😂
Better for Labour than most of GB
GM was among Labour's worst results. They lost about 80% of the seats they were defending. (Have you clocked they elect in thirds so most councillors weren't up for reelection?)
I simply do not think he has, because the 80% seat loss of the seats defended indicates just how difficult Burnham would find it to win in these seats
@dixiedean called it. Green x3 in Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne)
Final result:
Lib Dem 25 Reform 24 Green 24 Independent 3 Labour 2
That's a serious over achievement by the Greens in Newcastle at least. Had it down as a squeaker between Reform and LD for largest Party. But the Greens made it a three way photo finish.
I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.
Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.
Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.
What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking
Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
Starmer won't lead Labour into the next GE but he is almost certainly now safe to stay PM for another year given Labour are second on seats won, next year when it is mainly shire district and unitary seats up and London doesn't vote it might be a different story
Haven’t you been saying for months that Labour third on NEV meant the end for Starmer after these elections?
Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?
They haven’t been able to work that one out for years , I’m afraid. I don’t expect Starmer to suddenly start working it out now.
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Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats and votes in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Ref 45 (+45) LD 2 (-1) Lab 1 (-42, but on the board) Con 0 (-2)
15 more seats to declare.
In Calderdale Reform have 19 of the 27 declared so far, 27 to declare mainly in Halifax and Sowerby Bridge themselves. Labour on the board with 4, but I reckon Reform edge the gain.
In Bradford Reform have 20/36 declared so far with Labour on 10. I think the wards to come are of similar distribution to those already declared, so it could be close.
Kirklees more split, Reform have 13/36 so far and though if they win all their stretch targets they could edge over, falling short is more likely.
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity
There’s plenty of time for him to go. Labour only have one chance to change leader before the next GE . The media just want more drama and are desperate for things to kick off straight away.
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.
Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.
Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
They got mullered in all 3 and held on due to election by thirds
Labour also won most seats up today in Trafford, normally a key swing council in Greater Manchester
Well they won 8 out of 21 seats. More than anyone else, but hardly convincing. And Trafford now appears to exemplify Labour's new heartlands - comfortable, not that Muslim, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable. This is where they clung on (see also: Bury). But beyond Trafford and Bury, they were miles off.
Looking ahead, a pretty interesting by-election coming up.
Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.
The 2024 result:
SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5 Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9 Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0 Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5 Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4 Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0 Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A
Looking ahead, a pretty interesting by-election coming up.
Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.
The 2024 result:
SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5 Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9 Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0 Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5 Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4 Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0 Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
It’s the same story every election.
London has been okay for them but the rest of the country is pretty dire given the collapse in the Labour vote. The Lib Dems have gained only 9% of the seats lost by Labour and only 6% of the combined seats lost by Labour and the Tories. They are supposed to be the party of protest. If they are not that (and it is clear they no longer are) then frankly they are nothing.
Eh, they've done fine, but not amazingly.
Ed Davey will be mildly disappointed they will likely end up behind Labour, but they've gained seats and control one more council than they did yesterday, while their NEV is up slightly. And in Scotland they'll have more than doubled their Holyrood count, and will probably end up on 9-10 seats (assuming they win Caithness).
I disagree. Historically when both major parties are collapsing in the vote the Lib Dems should be picking up many more seats. As I say, they have one real function and that is as the party of protest. Now they have lost that function to not one but two other parties you do have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is?
Because under FPTP the largest party sweeps up and that's Reform right now. The same applies in local as well as national elections. If we interpolate the local elections to national ones, the Lib Dems are basically on track, Greens well ahead in vote share (but won't convert into many seats), Labour down, Tories on track and Reform actually down a bit (but still well ahead of anyone else)
I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.
Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.
Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.
What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking
Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
Starmer won't lead Labour into the next GE but he is almost certainly now safe to stay PM for another year given Labour are second on seats won, next year when it is mainly shire district and unitary seats up and London doesn't vote it might be a different story
Lab will likely lose a lot more councils next year as many of the elect by thirds district have their next third.up. also quite a few Lab controlled unitaries like Leicester, Nottingham and Middlesborough are up
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.
Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.
Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
Whereas presumably it has been a good day for Epping Forest Conservatives whose 19 seats represents the lowest number they have held since 2000.
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I think to answer your question of why is Starmer still there, one has to say because there is no one else that can unite the party and so inertia leaves Starmer in place. The Labour party looks to be almost as ungovernable as the Tories were post Brexit.
I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity
There’s plenty of time for him to go. Labour only have one chance to change leader before the next GE . The media just want more drama and are desperate for things to kick off straight away.
I think you're right Nico. If the party were operating as a single intelligent entity, it wouldn't change leader now - it would keep Starmer as a scapegoat - things aren't getting better any time soon: may as well let him soak up the blame. The fly in the ointment is that the party isn't a single intelligent entity but a collection of individuals, one of whom may deem this his chance to act. But still, no need to do it now.
As an aside, if they were being honest will Reform be disappointed with their outer London performance. I remember hearing that places like Bexley were sure Reform gains. They do seem to have underperformed in that part of the country.
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Starmer shocked and angered to discover that he has been the PM all along.
“I thought it was the short arse and then Kemi running the country”
Starmer further said that he thought that No.10 was just a house that a mate had lent him while he did some studying.
“No one told me I was PM, officially. No papers have crossed my desk. I had no meetings.”
Being appointed by the King is actually not a meeting with the King, according to the Statute Of Arseholes (1231), passed when Richard V had an argument with his head gardens.
“I will take full responsibility and sack some subordinates”, concluded Sir Keir.
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
It’s the same story every election.
London has been okay for them but the rest of the country is pretty dire given the collapse in the Labour vote. The Lib Dems have gained only 9% of the seats lost by Labour and only 6% of the combined seats lost by Labour and the Tories. They are supposed to be the party of protest. If they are not that (and it is clear they no longer are) then frankly they are nothing.
Eh, they've done fine, but not amazingly.
Ed Davey will be mildly disappointed they will likely end up behind Labour, but they've gained seats and control one more council than they did yesterday, while their NEV is up slightly. And in Scotland they'll have more than doubled their Holyrood count, and will probably end up on 9-10 seats (assuming they win Caithness).
I disagree. Historically when both major parties are collapsing in the vote the Lib Dems should be picking up many more seats. As I say, they have one real function and that is as the party of protest. Now they have lost that function to not one but two other parties you do have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is?
Because under FPTP the largest party sweeps up and that's Reform right now. The same applies in local as well as national elections. If we interpolate the local elections to national ones, the Lib Dems are basically on track, Greens well ahead in vote share (but won't convert into many seats), Labour down, Tories on track and Reform actually down a bit (but still well ahead of anyone else)
I asked Gemini to crunch the numbers, do some adjustments from NEV to take into account typical local elections biases (like minor party over performance) and judge the accuracy of recent opinion polling.
Its response was very much HYUFD coded. It said Reform is bang on expectations, Labour doing worse even with adjustments for LE effects, Lib Dems on par or a little under the higher recent polling, Greens significantly underperforming and Tories significantly over-performing.
Looking ahead, a pretty interesting by-election coming up.
Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.
The 2024 result:
SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5 Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9 Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0 Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5 Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4 Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0 Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A
Somehow I doubt it will be so close.
I think it might be close. Tories lost to Flynn by just a 1,000 largely due to Reform intervention. If they can use that message here, then it could become a two-way race given that Labour will be out of the race.
I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
Greens are doing the late surge I’d been alerted to expect. That may change the “greens underperforming” conclusion Gemini gave me. They’re now 233 seats behind Conservatives.
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
It’s the same story every election.
London has been okay for them but the rest of the country is pretty dire given the collapse in the Labour vote. The Lib Dems have gained only 9% of the seats lost by Labour and only 6% of the combined seats lost by Labour and the Tories. They are supposed to be the party of protest. If they are not that (and it is clear they no longer are) then frankly they are nothing.
Eh, they've done fine, but not amazingly.
Ed Davey will be mildly disappointed they will likely end up behind Labour, but they've gained seats and control one more council than they did yesterday, while their NEV is up slightly. And in Scotland they'll have more than doubled their Holyrood count, and will probably end up on 9-10 seats (assuming they win Caithness).
I disagree. Historically when both major parties are collapsing in the vote the Lib Dems should be picking up many more seats. As I say, they have one real function and that is as the party of protest. Now they have lost that function to not one but two other parties you do have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is?
Because under FPTP the largest party sweeps up and that's Reform right now. The same applies in local as well as national elections. If we interpolate the local elections to national ones, the Lib Dems are basically on track, Greens well ahead in vote share (but won't convert into many seats), Labour down, Tories on track and Reform actually down a bit (but still well ahead of anyone else)
I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
Yes it does. We've had this before.
Edit. Doesn't apply if you work for one council and are elected in another I think.
I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
You cannot be a candidate if at the time of your nomination and on polling day:
I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
Yes it does. We've had this before.
Cheers. I wasn't aware of that though I understand why.
🚨 NEW: Labour MPs are reportedly giving Keir Starmer until Christmas to change the party around
I’m starting to think that my half-joking proposal - to dig up the corpse of Mo Mowlam and make her the leader - might actually be the best solution. They could strap her to a chair and carry her into Cabinet meetings and if her head falls off well then she’ll still be smarter than rachel reeves
And if turns out she was cremated put her in the ashtray. In the middle of the cabinet table
Not sure how he has worked that one out to have the Greens second given the Greens are still fifth on seats won and the seats up this year are mainly in urban areas where the Greens should be stronger than rural areas or market towns. Unless the Greens are massively failing to translate votes won into seats won
I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
Yes it does. We've had this before.
Cheers. I wasn't aware of that though I understand why.
As has been pointed out. This will be a maintained school. I have been a County Council employee whilst a teacher. They paid my wages. But also I haven't.
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.
Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
Whereas presumably it has been a good day for Epping Forest Conservatives whose 19 seats represents the lowest number they have held since 2000.
Epping Forest Conservatives still retained the largest number of seats on Epping Forest District Council and are the clear alternative to Reform here. Epping Forest LDs are facing wipeout in the unitary election next year in the area if today's results are repeated
Not sure how he has worked that one to have the Greens secondgiven the Greens are still fifth on seats won and the seats up this year are mainly in urban areas where the Greens should be stronger than rural areas or market towns. Unless the Greens are massively failing to translate votes won into seats won
Yes, I think the Green (and Reform) votes have not been well targetted. They may well get better at it with time.
Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'
Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?
I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.
The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.
In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.
Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
Is it about Epping, or the country?
In the context of the discussion, the former, it was solely an Epping Forest related discussion
The Labour council losses in England alone are going to be well over the 1,200 that Curtice suggested this morning.
Total Labour losses are already up to 1,120 and there are still a further 23 councils to declare (out of 136.) (Sky)
That suggests something in the 1,350 ball park.
Your post made me realise just how out of date the Beeb count is. Have switched to Sky.
Yep. They do that ridiculous thing of not updating till the whole Council is declared. We've been at this counting business all day in the NE. (Finished about half an hour ago).
Pretty much every member of the cabinet has tweeted some version of “it’s all very sad what’s happened but sacking the boss would be worse” - apart from Wes Streeting, Yvette Cooper, Ed Miliband and Shabana Mahmood
Brandwood & King's Heath, which was looking like a 4-way fight between Reform, Green, Lib Dem and Labour, has gone to the Greens. The Greens have done well in Birmingham today.
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Wingrove to come. The most nailed on Green ward in a City they've over performed in
Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
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A useful benchmark for London is that in 2006 Labour only held control of 7 London boroughs. So far we have already held Merton, Ealing and Hammersmith & Fulham.
LOL You can literally smell the desperation from one term wanker Luke
Here is Coventry so far, 8 wards to go
Final result:
Lib Dem 25
Reform 24
Green 24
Independent 3
Labour 2
General Melchett: Is this true, Blackadder? Did Captain Darling pooh-pooh you?
Captain Blackadder: Well, perhaps a little.
General Melchett: Well, then, damn it all! What more evidence do you need? The pooh-poohing alone is a court martial offense!
Captain Blackadder: I can assure you, sir, that the pooh-poohing was purely circumstantial.
General Melchett: Well, I hope so, Blackadder. You know, if there's one thing I've learnt from being in the Army, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a Major, who got pooh-poohed, made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh. He pooh-poohed it! Fatal error! 'Cos it turned out all along that the soldier who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other officers who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the regiment. Morale totally destroyed... by pooh-pooh!
Had it down as a squeaker between Reform and LD for largest Party.
But the Greens made it a three way photo finish.
The PM claims civil servants kept him in the dark until this morning and is playing eeny meeny miney mo to decide who to sack.
He has also ordered an enquiry into why the elections had gone ahead without his knowledge.
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I don't want Keir to resign - nor do I want him to set a timetable for resigning - I want the Labour Party to diagnose its own problems and the wider fragmenting political landscape and face facts: working class people are in a zero sum game and we need to be on their side ... 1/
Paul Mason
@paulmasonnews
7/ Of all the things we need to do for working class people, from defence to student loans and council house building, none can be achieved with the current fiscal and monetary policy framework. It's just a fact. People will write PhDs about it. Break with the remnants of neoliberalism and invest to grow!
https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2052798912117780553
Sounds like a closet Burnham supporter to me.
Ref 45 (+45)
LD 2 (-1)
Lab 1 (-42, but on the board)
Con 0 (-2)
15 more seats to declare.
In Calderdale Reform have 19 of the 27 declared so far, 27 to declare mainly in Halifax and Sowerby Bridge themselves. Labour on the board with 4, but I reckon Reform edge the gain.
In Bradford Reform have 20/36 declared so far with Labour on 10. I think the wards to come are of similar distribution to those already declared, so it could be close.
Kirklees more split, Reform have 13/36 so far and though if they win all their stretch targets they could edge over, falling short is more likely.
Barnet on a knife edge
'No talk of indyref2 for at least 10 years, says Reform Scotland leader'
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-scottish-labour-party-snp-tories-b1268182.html
Reform want a hard right agenda in Wales, Plaid won't countenance that (and Plaid didn't even mention independence this election unlike the SNP)
https://bsky.app/profile/lukemcgee.bsky.social/post/3mledb25x4s24
Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.
The 2024 result:
SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5
Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9
Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0
Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5
Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4
Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0
Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A
Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A
There's commentary from Ed Conway on this. You'll need to scroll down as I can't provide a direct link to the piece from here:
https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-local-elections-england-scotland-wales-2026-starmer-12593360?postid=11653713
https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116540259118606629
🚨 NEW: Labour MPs are reportedly giving Keir Starmer until Christmas to change the party around
The fly in the ointment is that the party isn't a single intelligent entity but a collection of individuals, one of whom may deem this his chance to act. But still, no need to do it now.
war.gov/UFO
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116539593510480846
The UFO files are at https://www.war.gov/UFO/
Ref 26%
Green 18%
Lab 17%
Con 17%
LD 16%
Forecast retention rate was 33%
Starmer shocked and angered to discover that he has been the PM all along.
“I thought it was the short arse and then Kemi running the country”
Starmer further said that he thought that No.10 was just a house that a mate had lent him while he did some studying.
“No one told me I was PM, officially. No papers have crossed my desk. I had no meetings.”
Being appointed by the King is actually not a meeting with the King, according to the Statute Of Arseholes (1231), passed when Richard V had an argument with his head gardens.
“I will take full responsibility and sack some subordinates”, concluded Sir Keir.
Its response was very much HYUFD coded. It said Reform is bang on expectations, Labour doing worse even with adjustments for LE effects, Lib Dems on par or a little under the higher recent polling, Greens significantly underperforming and Tories significantly over-performing.
Apart from Havering the capital remains immune from Reform . And perhaps Havering should be given its wish and can bugger off to Essex .
Total Labour losses are already up to 1,120 and there are still a further 23 councils to declare (out of 136.) (Sky)
That suggests something in the 1,350 ball park.
We've had this before.
Edit. Doesn't apply if you work for one council and are elected in another I think.
You are employed by the local authority or hold a paid office under the authority (including joint boards or committees).1 Note that you may be ‘employed by the local authority’ if, for example, you work at certain schools, fire services, police or health services. This list is not exhaustive and more information is set out in our guidance: Working for the local authority.
https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/guidance-candidates-and-agents-local-government-elections-england/what-you-need-know-you-stand-a-candidate/qualifications-and-disqualifications-standing-election/disqualifications
I know councillors who have been teachers, I assumed it must be maintained schools.
All in all it's another brick out of the red wall.
And if turns out she was cremated put her in the ashtray. In the middle of the cabinet table
Sorted
He won’t be able to take the oath or whatever it is they do to become one.
I have been a County Council employee whilst a teacher. They paid my wages. But also I haven't.
My imagination or has Reform’s win rate slowed down significantly this evening?
They do that ridiculous thing of not updating till the whole Council is declared.
We've been at this counting business all day in the NE. (Finished about half an hour ago).
Laughs very hard.
See that mahoosive Tristram Alun Davies has lost
Laughs even harder
Remembers Labour came up with this new system to ensure they would continue to dominate Welsh politics.
Laughs so much he falls over.
https://nitter.poast.org/PolitlcsUK/status/2052749485910954406#m
Pretty much every member of the cabinet has tweeted some version of “it’s all very sad what’s happened but sacking the boss would be worse” - apart from Wes Streeting, Yvette Cooper, Ed Miliband and Shabana Mahmood
Well, duh.