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  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132

    Rachel Reeves
    @RachelReevesMP
    These are tough election results for Labour and I’m sorry to all of those colleagues who have lost their seats.

    Keir Starmer won a mandate to change our country.

    We must get on with delivering that mandate - and show how politics can improve people’s lives for the better.

    https://x.com/RachelReevesMP/status/2052805448059773197


    Translation into English: I'm as totally out of touch as the Prime Minister and think one more heave and we will see a turn around.

    Alternatively- I've got to say something and this is about the only thing I can say.
    To be fair, she’s out of a job herself if Starmer goes so out of all of the leading cabinet figures I’d expect her to be loyal (despite the fact I think Starmer treats her pretty poorly, as with most colleagues to be fair).
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560

    Woo. My ward. Lib Dem x3 in Kingston Park and Dinnington (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    3 seats to go. Currently:

    Lib Dem 25
    Reform 24
    Green 21
    Independent 3
    Labour 2

    That's the clincher! I had Reform down for that one.
    Wingrove to come. The most nailed on Green ward in a City they've over performed in
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.

    Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
    Oh my sweet summer child, have you actually had a look at the results in Salford, Manchester and particularly Wigan 😂😂😂
    Better for Labour than most of GB
    GM was among Labour's worst results. They lost about 80% of the seats they were defending. (Have you clocked they elect in thirds so most councillors weren't up for reelection?)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448
    Labour leader of Bradford council has lost her seat to Reform.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,129
    HYUFD said:

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.

    Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.

    What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking

    Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,120
    Streeting hasn’t tweeted yet. This must be the end.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703
    According to Luke its not too bad

    @lukeakehurst
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    A useful benchmark for London is that in 2006 Labour only held control of 7 London boroughs. So far we have already held Merton, Ealing and Hammersmith & Fulham.

    LOL You can literally smell the desperation from one term wanker Luke
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,142

    Here is Coventry so far, 8 wards to go
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560
    I'm old enough to remember being poopoohed when I suggested Reform could very well take South Tyneside and Gateshead.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334

    Woo. My ward. Lib Dem x3 in Kingston Park and Dinnington (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    3 seats to go. Currently:

    Lib Dem 25
    Reform 24
    Green 21
    Independent 3
    Labour 2

    We're back in the lead!!!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,030
    @dixiedean called it. Green x3 in Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    Final result:

    Lib Dem 25
    Reform 24
    Green 24
    Independent 3
    Labour 2
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    Frustratingly, while Trafford has now completed, the MEN's results service - which has been exvellent all day - has ground to a halt. So I still don't know if my ward changed hands. I assume a rare-ish Labour hold.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,120
    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131
    Pulpstar said:


    Here is Coventry so far, 8 wards to go

    This is from Sky’s coverage?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132

    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?

    They haven’t been able to work that one out for years , I’m afraid. I don’t expect Starmer to suddenly start working it out now.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,516
    dixiedean said:

    I'm old enough to remember being poopoohed when I suggested Reform could very well take South Tyneside and Gateshead.


    General Melchett: Is this true, Blackadder? Did Captain Darling pooh-pooh you?
    Captain Blackadder: Well, perhaps a little.
    General Melchett: Well, then, damn it all! What more evidence do you need? The pooh-poohing alone is a court martial offense!
    Captain Blackadder: I can assure you, sir, that the pooh-poohing was purely circumstantial.
    General Melchett: Well, I hope so, Blackadder. You know, if there's one thing I've learnt from being in the Army, it's never ignore a pooh-pooh. I knew a Major, who got pooh-poohed, made the mistake of ignoring the pooh-pooh. He pooh-poohed it! Fatal error! 'Cos it turned out all along that the soldier who pooh-poohed him had been pooh-poohing a lot of other officers who pooh-poohed their pooh-poohs. In the end, we had to disband the regiment. Morale totally destroyed... by pooh-pooh!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    HYUFD said:

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.

    Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.

    What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking

    Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
    Starmer won't lead Labour into the next GE but he is almost certainly now safe to stay PM for another year given Labour are second on seats won, next year when it is mainly shire district and unitary seats up and London doesn't vote it might be a different story
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 8

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.

    Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
    They got mullered in all 3 and held on due to election by thirds
    Labour also won most seats up today in Trafford, normally a key swing council in Greater Manchester
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,129
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.

    Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
    Oh my sweet summer child, have you actually had a look at the results in Salford, Manchester and particularly Wigan 😂😂😂
    Better for Labour than most of GB
    GM was among Labour's worst results. They lost about 80% of the seats they were defending. (Have you clocked they elect in thirds so most councillors weren't up for reelection?)
    I simply do not think he has, because the 80% seat loss of the seats defended indicates just how difficult Burnham would find it to win in these seats
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560

    @dixiedean called it. Green x3 in Wingrove (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    Final result:

    Lib Dem 25
    Reform 24
    Green 24
    Independent 3
    Labour 2

    That's a serious over achievement by the Greens in Newcastle at least.
    Had it down as a squeaker between Reform and LD for largest Party.
    But the Greens made it a three way photo finish.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.

    Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.

    What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking

    Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
    Starmer won't lead Labour into the next GE but he is almost certainly now safe to stay PM for another year given Labour are second on seats won, next year when it is mainly shire district and unitary seats up and London doesn't vote it might be a different story
    Haven’t you been saying for months that Labour third on NEV meant the end for Starmer after these elections?
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,120
    I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444

    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?

    They'll start thinking about it soon.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703
    dixiedean said:

    Woo. My ward. Lib Dem x3 in Kingston Park and Dinnington (Newcastle upon Tyne)

    3 seats to go. Currently:

    Lib Dem 25
    Reform 24
    Green 21
    Independent 3
    Labour 2

    That's the clincher! I had Reform down for that one.
    Wingrove to come. The most nailed on Green ward in a City they've over performed in
    “Furious” SKS was not told local elections had taken place yesterday.

    The PM claims civil servants kept him in the dark until this morning and is playing eeny meeny miney mo to decide who to sack.

    He has also ordered an enquiry into why the elections had gone ahead without his knowledge.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?

    They haven’t been able to work that one out for years , I’m afraid. I don’t expect Starmer to suddenly start working it out now.
    Paul Mason has views (Thread):


    Paul Mason
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    I don't want Keir to resign - nor do I want him to set a timetable for resigning - I want the Labour Party to diagnose its own problems and the wider fragmenting political landscape and face facts: working class people are in a zero sum game and we need to be on their side ... 1/


    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    7/ Of all the things we need to do for working class people, from defence to student loans and council house building, none can be achieved with the current fiscal and monetary policy framework. It's just a fact. People will write PhDs about it. Break with the remnants of neoliberalism and invest to grow!

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2052798912117780553



    Sounds like a closet Burnham supporter to me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 8
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats and votes in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,120
    Labour cannot fix its issues with Starmer there.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Interesting that so far independents are down in seats. That’s very much against the recent trend.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?

    Given how divided and fragmented the country is I reckon it would be pretty difficult.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    Wakefield update:

    Ref 45 (+45)
    LD 2 (-1)
    Lab 1 (-42, but on the board)
    Con 0 (-2)

    15 more seats to declare.

    In Calderdale Reform have 19 of the 27 declared so far, 27 to declare mainly in Halifax and Sowerby Bridge themselves. Labour on the board with 4, but I reckon Reform edge the gain.

    In Bradford Reform have 20/36 declared so far with Labour on 10. I think the wards to come are of similar distribution to those already declared, so it could be close.

    Kirklees more split, Reform have 13/36 so far and though if they win all their stretch targets they could edge over, falling short is more likely.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
    Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Labour cannot get a majority on Enfield, Tories still can theoretically

    Barnet on a knife edge
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity

    There’s plenty of time for him to go. Labour only have one chance to change leader before the next GE . The media just want more drama and are desperate for things to kick off straight away.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 198

    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?

    Given how divided and fragmented the country is I reckon it would be pretty difficult.
    You think if Reform had over a 100 seat majority, they would be sitting on their hands like Labour?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In Scotland it looks like the SNP will lose seats relative to 2021, so no mandate for indyref2.

    In Wales Labour have collapsed to third but Plaid will need Labour support on bills to get a majority and stop Reform holding up their legislation

    I have told you already Plaid will not want to be associated with labour and will govern as a minority and seek support across the opposition
    Which means seeking support from Labour
    No it doesnt

    Yes it does, unless you think Plaid will be seeking support from Reform?
    You do not read do you

    Plaid will govern as a minority party, even though Reform may support Independence as they have indicated in Scotland !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rubbish
    'No talk of indyref2 for at least 10 years, says Reform Scotland leader'

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-scottish-labour-party-snp-tories-b1268182.html

    Reform want a hard right agenda in Wales, Plaid won't countenance that (and Plaid didn't even mention independence this election unlike the SNP)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 8

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
    Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
    Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.

    Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    Streeting's home results from Redbridge, probably. See Sunil's posts for updates. Tbh I'm not expecting anything much before all the results are in.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I assume this the end of the road for Andy Burnham. Burnham's selling point was that he was a winner. The Labour vote collapsing in Manchester doesn't support that idea even if it wasn't his fault.

    Has it? Labour has held Manchester, Wigan and Salford
    They got mullered in all 3 and held on due to election by thirds
    Labour also won most seats up today in Trafford, normally a key swing council in Greater Manchester
    Well they won 8 out of 21 seats. More than anyone else, but hardly convincing. And Trafford now appears to exemplify Labour's new heartlands - comfortable, not that Muslim, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable. This is where they clung on (see also: Bury). But beyond Trafford and Bury, they were miles off.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,142
    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:


    Here is Coventry so far, 8 wards to go

    This is from Sky’s coverage?
    Cov telegraph updates. Holbrook has returned 3 greens, Longford 2 Lab and a Reform
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    Looking ahead, a pretty interesting by-election coming up.

    Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.

    The 2024 result:

    SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5
    Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9
    Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0
    Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5
    Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4
    Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0
    Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A
    Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,129
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    In Scotland it looks like the SNP will lose seats relative to 2021, so no mandate for indyref2.

    In Wales Labour have collapsed to third but Plaid will need Labour support on bills to get a majority and stop Reform holding up their legislation

    I have told you already Plaid will not want to be associated with labour and will govern as a minority and seek support across the opposition
    Which means seeking support from Labour
    No it doesnt

    Yes it does, unless you think Plaid will be seeking support from Reform?
    You do not read do you

    Plaid will govern as a minority party, even though Reform may support Independence as they have indicated in Scotland !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Rubbish
    'No talk of indyref2 for at least 10 years, says Reform Scotland leader'

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-scottish-labour-party-snp-tories-b1268182.html

    Reform want a hard right agenda in Wales, Plaid won't countenance that (and Plaid didn't even mention independence this election unlike the SNP)
    I couldn't resist winding you up - sorry

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    Looking ahead, a pretty interesting by-election coming up.

    Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.

    The 2024 result:

    SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5
    Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9
    Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0
    Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5
    Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4
    Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0
    Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A
    Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A

    Somehow I doubt it will be so close.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,653
    edited May 8

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    It’s the same story every election.
    London has been okay for them but the rest of the country is pretty dire given the collapse in the Labour vote. The Lib Dems have gained only 9% of the seats lost by Labour and only 6% of the combined seats lost by Labour and the Tories. They are supposed to be the party of protest. If they are not that (and it is clear they no longer are) then frankly they are nothing.
    Eh, they've done fine, but not amazingly.

    Ed Davey will be mildly disappointed they will likely end up behind Labour, but they've gained seats and control one more council than they did yesterday, while their NEV is up slightly. And in Scotland they'll have more than doubled their Holyrood count, and will probably end up on 9-10 seats (assuming they win Caithness).
    I disagree. Historically when both major parties are collapsing in the vote the Lib Dems should be picking up many more seats. As I say, they have one real function and that is as the party of protest. Now they have lost that function to not one but two other parties you do have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is?
    Because under FPTP the largest party sweeps up and that's Reform right now. The same applies in local as well as national elections. If we interpolate the local elections to national ones, the Lib Dems are basically on track, Greens well ahead in vote share (but won't convert into many seats), Labour down, Tories on track and Reform actually down a bit (but still well ahead of anyone else)

    There's commentary from Ed Conway on this. You'll need to scroll down as I can't provide a direct link to the piece from here:
    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-local-elections-england-scotland-wales-2026-starmer-12593360?postid=11653713
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,536
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    Labour are now second on seats won, Starmer is secure and it is only the left calling for Starmer to go and they back Rayner not Streeting.

    Cabinet ministers now coming out for Starmer to stay including Heidi Alexander who has said a leadership election would be 'vanity'.

    What on earth does labour have to suffer if Starmer is safe after this shallacking

    Maybe check seats lost and not listen to those who depend on cabinet positions but the anger within and the acceptance that Starmer cannot lead into the next GE
    Starmer won't lead Labour into the next GE but he is almost certainly now safe to stay PM for another year given Labour are second on seats won, next year when it is mainly shire district and unitary seats up and London doesn't vote it might be a different story
    Lab will likely lose a lot more councils next year as many of the elect by thirds district have their next third.up. also quite a few Lab controlled unitaries like Leicester, Nottingham and Middlesborough are up
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
    Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
    Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.

    Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
    Is it about Epping, or the country?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    I think Con gain Enfield........ just checking numbers
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity

    As I posted earlier suspect we may have to have a "What Part of Go Did You Not Understand" local elections again next year.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    Monumental pickup for the Tories in Enfield!
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
    Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
    Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.

    Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
    Whereas presumably it has been a good day for Epping Forest Conservatives whose 19 seats represents the lowest number they have held since 2000.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    I think Con gain Enfield........ just checking numbers

    I cant count. They are 1 short
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  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523

    Labour cannot fix its issues with Starmer there.

    I think to answer your question of why is Starmer still there, one has to say because there is no one else that can unite the party and so inertia leaves Starmer in place. The Labour party looks to be almost as ungovernable as the Tories were post Brexit.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    He hasn't been a councillor at all, since they take up office on the 4th day after the elections.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Starry said:

    Labour say they want to change the country. But HOW?

    Given how divided and fragmented the country is I reckon it would be pretty difficult.
    You think if Reform had over a 100 seat majority, they would be sitting on their hands like Labour?
    MPs don't want to lose their seats. Different MPs face threats coming from different directions.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,835
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2052809157246402644

    🚨 NEW: Labour MPs are reportedly giving Keir Starmer until Christmas to change the party around
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    nico67 said:

    I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity

    There’s plenty of time for him to go. Labour only have one chance to change leader before the next GE . The media just want more drama and are desperate for things to kick off straight away.
    I think you're right Nico. If the party were operating as a single intelligent entity, it wouldn't change leader now - it would keep Starmer as a scapegoat - things aren't getting better any time soon: may as well let him soak up the blame.
    The fly in the ointment is that the party isn't a single intelligent entity but a collection of individuals, one of whom may deem this his chance to act. But still, no need to do it now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    MaxPB said:

    Monumental pickup for the Tories in Enfield!

    Sorry i miscounted, they are 1 short . Lab/Green will be able to run it on 32 to 31
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523
    edited May 8
    As an aside, if they were being honest will Reform be disappointed with their outer London performance. I remember hearing that places like Bexley were sure Reform gains. They do seem to have underperformed in that part of the country.
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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833
    edited May 8
    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703
    SKS seat retention rate sits at a healthy 42% (784 of 1866)

    Forecast retention rate was 33%
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,516
    edited May 8
    Breaking News

    Starmer shocked and angered to discover that he has been the PM all along.

    “I thought it was the short arse and then Kemi running the country”

    Starmer further said that he thought that No.10 was just a house that a mate had lent him while he did some studying.

    “No one told me I was PM, officially. No papers have crossed my desk. I had no meetings.”

    Being appointed by the King is actually not a meeting with the King, according to the Statute Of Arseholes (1231), passed when Richard V had an argument with his head gardens.

    “I will take full responsibility and sack some subordinates”, concluded Sir Keir.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    SKS seat retention rate sits at a healthy 42% (784 of 1866)

    Forecast retention rate was 33%

    Forecast by who?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    FF43 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    It’s the same story every election.
    London has been okay for them but the rest of the country is pretty dire given the collapse in the Labour vote. The Lib Dems have gained only 9% of the seats lost by Labour and only 6% of the combined seats lost by Labour and the Tories. They are supposed to be the party of protest. If they are not that (and it is clear they no longer are) then frankly they are nothing.
    Eh, they've done fine, but not amazingly.

    Ed Davey will be mildly disappointed they will likely end up behind Labour, but they've gained seats and control one more council than they did yesterday, while their NEV is up slightly. And in Scotland they'll have more than doubled their Holyrood count, and will probably end up on 9-10 seats (assuming they win Caithness).
    I disagree. Historically when both major parties are collapsing in the vote the Lib Dems should be picking up many more seats. As I say, they have one real function and that is as the party of protest. Now they have lost that function to not one but two other parties you do have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is?
    Because under FPTP the largest party sweeps up and that's Reform right now. The same applies in local as well as national elections. If we interpolate the local elections to national ones, the Lib Dems are basically on track, Greens well ahead in vote share (but won't convert into many seats), Labour down, Tories on track and Reform actually down a bit (but still well ahead of anyone else)

    There's commentary from Ed Conway on this. You'll need to scroll down as I can't provide a direct link to the piece from here:
    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-local-elections-england-scotland-wales-2026-starmer-12593360?postid=11653713
    I asked Gemini to crunch the numbers, do some adjustments from NEV to take into account typical local elections biases (like minor party over performance) and judge the accuracy of recent opinion polling.

    Its response was very much HYUFD coded. It said Reform is bang on expectations, Labour doing worse even with adjustments for LE effects, Lib Dems on par or a little under the higher recent polling, Greens significantly underperforming and Tories significantly over-performing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560
    Foxy said:

    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%

    That's a very different spin on things, isn't it?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    kle4 said:

    Looking ahead, a pretty interesting by-election coming up.

    Aberdeen South will become vacant due to Stephen Flynn transferring to Holyrood.

    The 2024 result:

    SNP Stephen Flynn 15,213 32.8 −12.5
    Labour M. Tauqeer Malik 11,455 24.7 +15.9
    Conservative John Wheeler 11,300 24.4 −10.0
    Reform Michael Pearce 3,199 6.9 +6.5
    Liberal Democrats Jeff Goodhall 2,921 6.3 −4.4
    Green Guy Ingerson 1,609 3.5 +3.0
    Scottish Family Graeme Craib 423 0.9 N/A
    Independent Sophie Molly 225 0.5 N/A

    Somehow I doubt it will be so close.
    I think it might be close. Tories lost to Flynn by just a 1,000 largely due to Reform intervention. If they can use that message here, then it could become a two-way race given that Labour will be out of the race.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523
    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    God bless London !

    Apart from Havering the capital remains immune from Reform . And perhaps Havering should be given its wish and can bugger off to Essex .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553

    I cannot believe Starmer is staying. Just terrible vanity

    As I posted earlier suspect we may have to have a "What Part of Go Did You Not Understand" local elections again next year.
    Presumably a bigger bloodbath next year since Lab did quite well last time at next year's point in the cycle?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Greens are doing the late surge I’d been alerted to expect. That may change the “greens underperforming” conclusion Gemini gave me. They’re now 233 seats behind Conservatives.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,653
    FF43 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    It’s the same story every election.
    London has been okay for them but the rest of the country is pretty dire given the collapse in the Labour vote. The Lib Dems have gained only 9% of the seats lost by Labour and only 6% of the combined seats lost by Labour and the Tories. They are supposed to be the party of protest. If they are not that (and it is clear they no longer are) then frankly they are nothing.
    Eh, they've done fine, but not amazingly.

    Ed Davey will be mildly disappointed they will likely end up behind Labour, but they've gained seats and control one more council than they did yesterday, while their NEV is up slightly. And in Scotland they'll have more than doubled their Holyrood count, and will probably end up on 9-10 seats (assuming they win Caithness).
    I disagree. Historically when both major parties are collapsing in the vote the Lib Dems should be picking up many more seats. As I say, they have one real function and that is as the party of protest. Now they have lost that function to not one but two other parties you do have to wonder what the point of the Lib Dems is?
    Because under FPTP the largest party sweeps up and that's Reform right now. The same applies in local as well as national elections. If we interpolate the local elections to national ones, the Lib Dems are basically on track, Greens well ahead in vote share (but won't convert into many seats), Labour down, Tories on track and Reform actually down a bit (but still well ahead of anyone else)

    There's commentary from Ed Conway on this. You'll need to scroll down as I can't provide a direct link to the piece from here:
    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-local-elections-england-scotland-wales-2026-starmer-12593360?postid=11653713
    Looking at recent opinion polls I would say Lib Dems a little ahead. Labour a lot worse - implied vote share only 15%.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,208
    The Labour council losses in England alone are going to be well over the 1,200 that Curtice suggested this morning.

    Total Labour losses are already up to 1,120 and there are still a further 23 councils to declare (out of 136.) (Sky)

    That suggests something in the 1,350 ball park.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560
    edited May 8

    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
    Yes it does.
    We've had this before.

    Edit. Doesn't apply if you work for one council and are elected in another I think.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    edited May 8

    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
    You cannot be a candidate if at the time of your nomination and on polling day:

    You are employed by the local authority or hold a paid office under the authority (including joint boards or committees).1 Note that you may be ‘employed by the local authority’ if, for example, you work at certain schools, fire services, police or health services. This list is not exhaustive and more information is set out in our guidance: Working for the local authority.

    https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/guidance-candidates-and-agents-local-government-elections-england/what-you-need-know-you-stand-a-candidate/qualifications-and-disqualifications-standing-election/disqualifications

    I know councillors who have been teachers, I assumed it must be maintained schools.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615
    My pic of the day.
    All in all it's another brick out of the red wall.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,755

    I don’t know what Streeting is waiting for. He’s obviously the best challenger that exists.

    Streeting's home results from Redbridge, probably. See Sunil's posts for updates. Tbh I'm not expecting anything much before all the results are in.
    Only three wards declared. Lab lose 1 seat to Greens, 1 seat to Redbridge Indies.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
    Yes it does.
    We've had this before.
    Cheers. I wasn't aware of that though I understand why.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 8

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2052809157246402644

    🚨 NEW: Labour MPs are reportedly giving Keir Starmer until Christmas to change the party around

    I’m starting to think that my half-joking proposal - to dig up the corpse of Mo Mowlam and make her the leader - might actually be the best solution. They could strap her to a chair and carry her into Cabinet meetings and if her head falls off well then she’ll still be smarter than rachel reeves

    And if turns out she was cremated put her in the ashtray. In the middle of the cabinet table

    Sorted
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 8
    Foxy said:

    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%

    Not sure how he has worked that one out to have the Greens second given the Greens are still fifth on seats won and the seats up this year are mainly in urban areas where the Greens should be stronger than rural areas or market towns. Unless the Greens are massively failing to translate votes won into seats won

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%

    That's a very different spin on things, isn't it?
    Well, yes, but various PB'ers have been spinning like tops all day.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
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  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    He hasn't been a councillor at all, since they take up office on the 4th day after the elections.
    Exactly. I never said he was a councillor. I’m saying he didnt even get a day at it.

    He won’t be able to take the oath or whatever it is they do to become one.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    First by-election likely after today’s results and the chap hasn’t even been a councillor for a day 😂😂😂😂

    https://x.com/richardosley/status/2052798411661836502?s=61

    I didn't know you couldn't be a councillor if you were a teacher? Is that because he would be a council employee? If so does that apply to all council employees?
    Yes it does.
    We've had this before.
    Cheers. I wasn't aware of that though I understand why.
    As has been pointed out. This will be a maintained school.
    I have been a County Council employee whilst a teacher. They paid my wages. But also I haven't.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited May 8

    The Labour council losses in England alone are going to be well over the 1,200 that Curtice suggested this morning.

    Total Labour losses are already up to 1,120 and there are still a further 23 councils to declare (out of 136.) (Sky)

    That suggests something in the 1,350 ball park.

    Your post made me realise just how out of date the Beeb count is. Have switched to Sky.

    My imagination or has Reform’s win rate slowed down significantly this evening?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 8
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
    Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
    Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.

    Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
    Whereas presumably it has been a good day for Epping Forest Conservatives whose 19 seats represents the lowest number they have held since 2000.
    Epping Forest Conservatives still retained the largest number of seats on Epping Forest District Council and are the clear alternative to Reform here. Epping Forest LDs are facing wipeout in the unitary election next year in the area if today's results are repeated
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%

    Not sure how he has worked that one to have the Greens secondgiven the Greens are still fifth on seats won and the seats up this year are mainly in urban areas where the Greens should be stronger than rural areas or market towns. Unless the Greens are massively failing to translate votes won into seats won

    Yes, I think the Green (and Reform) votes have not been well targetted. They may well get better at it with time.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703
    Foxy said:

    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%

    I take back my disappointment on Greens circa 500
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    kjh said:

    Honestly the BBC news. 'LDs mixed results in London, just holding on to Sutton'

    Gain of 20 seats and 50 out of 54 is just holding on?

    I think someone on here this morning made great play of a single LD loss to Reform in Epping and three or four Conservative holds and neglected to mention the eight Conservative losses on Epping Forest DC which have further eroded the previous large Tory majority on that council.

    The Conservatives now have just 19 of the 54 seats compared with the 35 they held in 2022.
    And the Conservatives will still have most seats on EFDC and hold the council with the LRA who they already have an informal deal with.

    In 2024 the LDs won most votes in all 3 district wards in Epping and Theydon Bois, today the LDs were 3rd in two and the county ward behind both the Tories and Reform and lost Epping East, a ward they have won since 2015, to Reform. Today was a disastrous day for Epping Forest LDs and also Epping Forest Greens who have lost their 1 Buckhurst Hill seat and been wiped out
    And are you going to tell me losing eight seats was a good result for the Conservatives?
    No but it was still a better day for Tories here than LDs who collapsed from first to third in 2/3 of the wards they won most seats in in 2024 and lost the normally safe LD ward to Reform
    Daft 'apeth. We've won more seats than you. We've gained seats. You've lost vast numbers of seats.
    Not in Epping Forest you haven't, you lost your seat and collapsed from first on votes to third in the other 2 wards.

    Today was the worst day for Epping Forest LDs for over a decade
    Is it about Epping, or the country?
    In the context of the discussion, the former, it was solely an Epping Forest related discussion
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560
    MelonB said:

    The Labour council losses in England alone are going to be well over the 1,200 that Curtice suggested this morning.

    Total Labour losses are already up to 1,120 and there are still a further 23 councils to declare (out of 136.) (Sky)

    That suggests something in the 1,350 ball park.

    Your post made me realise just how out of date the Beeb count is. Have switched to Sky.
    Yep.
    They do that ridiculous thing of not updating till the whole Council is declared.
    We've been at this counting business all day in the NE. (Finished about half an hour ago).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,142
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    BBC NEV by Curtice

    Ref 26%
    Green 18%
    Lab 17%
    Con 17%
    LD 16%

    That's a very different spin on things, isn't it?
    Well, yes, but various PB'ers have been spinning like tops all day.
    HYUFD - Labour holding Wigan showing they are not collapsing in the north will stay in the memory
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Checks Welsh results

    Laughs very hard.

    See that mahoosive Tristram Alun Davies has lost

    Laughs even harder

    Remembers Labour came up with this new system to ensure they would continue to dominate Welsh politics.

    Laughs so much he falls over.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334
    Yay! We picked up a list seat in the NE!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Interesting look at the picture when about half wards were declared.

    https://nitter.poast.org/PolitlcsUK/status/2052749485910954406#m
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,835
    https://x.com/Peston/status/2052809902297399717

    Pretty much every member of the cabinet has tweeted some version of “it’s all very sad what’s happened but sacking the boss would be worse” - apart from Wes Streeting, Yvette Cooper, Ed Miliband and Shabana Mahmood
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,315
    Brandwood & King's Heath, which was looking like a 4-way fight between Reform, Green, Lib Dem and Labour, has gone to the Greens. The Greens have done well in Birmingham today.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,942
    Robert Jenrick on Question Time says he believes a general election is inevitable.

    Well, duh.
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