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  • TresTres Posts: 3,789
    Nigelb said:

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    fitalass said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    It seems everyone on here is now voting Conservative and praising Kemi Badenoch to the skies.

    To use the gardening analogy, being cosseted in the indoor garden with the herbaceous intelligentsia and Niallus Fergusonium might be fine but she'll have to cope with the more rigorous environment of the outdoor world before long.

    Her tendency to the uncosted populist pledge is a concern as is my abiding doubt whatever she says on working or not working with Reform will go out the window if the Parliamentary arithmetic means Reform plus Conservatives equals a majority. Oddly enough, I'd be more likely to vote for her if she said she would support a non-Reform Government but we all know that won't happen.

    Here in Newham, fortunately, voting Conservative is about as useful as voting Lib Dem, Reform or CPA. I will vote LD for the Mayor but as I have three Council seats and one LD candidate, I have a dilemma over my other two votes which I've not resolved.

    I'm obviously not Kemi's target audience, but for what it's worth - I always find her manner pleasant, and am taken aback by the relatively extreme policies that she often advocates. If I was looking for right-wing policies, would I be put off by her mild manner?
    She spends too much time doom scrolling Twitter, so thinks batshit reactionary stuff is mainstream.
    And yet, she is now the most popular of the major party leaders. The PB Centrist Dads getting it totally wrong. Again
    I often wonder if the same Centrists Dads would be getting it totally wrong that first couple of years when David Cameron became Conservative leader and he was pictured with the huskies.. Look how many of them totally underestimated his then wing man who over saw his leadership campaign up against the then nailed on favourite David Davis. The day Theresa May became Conservative Leader and PM she and her team didn't allow George Osborne the dignity of resigning from his post as Chancellor, no he was sacked and I said that day it was her first and probable her biggest mistake. I always remember OGH agreeing with that verdict.

    She didn't have an elected wing man who was as over their own brief at No11 or any other Cabinet post but also all the other departments to the extent he saw the issues with her own two key Spads at the Home Office but more importantly Michael Gove's Spad Dominic Cummings.. And he was proved right.

    Theresa May's advisers that Osborne locked heads with advised her to go back on her word about calling an early election and then oversaw that disastrous manifesto and campaign leaving her a much weakened PM with no majority during the endless Parliamentary Brexit battles at Westminster until she finally throw the towel in and stepped down.

    And that has been a problem for Keir Starmer too, he has been too reliant on unelected Spads and had no loyal base of elected senior Cabinet Ministers to advise him or protect him. Instead he is swinging in the wind more rudderless as he has no leadership skills or natural support base within his party, and now so weak his Cabinet and backbenchers are exploiting that and getting in their own demands while getting him to carry the can and making him look weaker by the day. And yet he keeps throwing everyone else who gets in the poltical cross fire under a bus, at some point he is going to run out of people blame and he already has no elected allies to lean on.
    Osborne had plenty of faults, but he was head and shoulders above pretty well all of his successors as Chancellor.
    funny then he has failed at every job he's tried since failing as Chancellor
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,166
    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,623
    Labour doesn’t need to worry about the left flank, it is Reform.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    We have two prominent gap-toothed party leaders now.

    "In the Caribbean, gap teeth are associated with sexual allure; in West Africa, they signify wealth. In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character. A gap-toothed character was not one to be taken seriously, and they'd often be found lurking at the bottom of the social pecking order.

    Gap teeth have served some people particularly well. Comedians have long played on a gap-toothed appearance to convey disingenuousness and lack of guile. This plays to the idea of flaws being funny, but in an age where gap teeth are easily fixable, uniformity has become increasingly desirable.

    As Patricia Cumper discovers, retaining a gap toothed appearance now has a lot to do with allure. In France, it represents coquettishness, lustfulness and sexual naivety. Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin and Vanessa Paradis were all cast in the role of alluring child-women early in their careers; their uneven dentistry helped to convince.

    Today, a dentist's point of view on diastema – the official term for gap teeth – would be that it's a flaw waiting to be corrected. What does it say about those who choose to retain this distinguishing characteristic in the face of bright white, even-toothed homogeny? In this playful, surprising and personal journey, Patricia unpicks the consequences and the cultural connotations of retaining the gap in her two front teeth."

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2015/39/mind-the-gap
    Kemi also has a not insubstantial hooter. I’m sure no one would have a problem with, say, Steve Bell further enlarging it and pasting a piccaninny’s water melon smile avec gap on to her.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,632
    I thought @Casino_Royale made a very good point earlier re phones in the polling booth. That is potentially an issue for those being coerced to take a picture of their ballot paper.

    However when I went to vote I noticed there were a lot more prominent notices about photographs this time and you could see if anyone was using a phone while voting. It did make the secrecy more difficult though. Without prompting my wife mentioned this on leaving the polling station.

    I assume anyone who is coercing people how to vote will organise postal ballots, which of course is the real issue with our voting currently.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    I think rather than referenda (too time-consuming and expensive), we should explore the idea of citizen assemblies as a way of restoring health to our democracy.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,695
    .

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    Can’t be arsed having a long exchange about physiognomy but as I said before I don’t see a hooked nose. Nevertheless even I did, given the long, ignoble history of antisemitic cartooning I would avoid heavily exaggerating that feature of a Jewish politician.

    https://x.com/respectisvital/status/2051991062432940112?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    It's the Telegraph one that particularly jumps out at me as bad.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,695
    Nigelb said:

    Will MAGA still see Hungary as a template ?

    To give you a sense of where things are heading in Hungary, two-thirds of Hungarians now want to see Viktor Orbán face trial for corruption, criminality, and malfeasance after his sixteen-year reign.
    https://x.com/kalmantibs/status/2052012884742336728

    Reform UK have also been keen on Hungary as their template. Matt Goodwin was salivating over Orbán before.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,632
    Reform leaflet going out today saying 'Remember to vote tomorrow'

    Lesson with reminder leaflets: Say the date, unless delivering on the day when you can say 'Today'.

    Never say 'Tomorrow' as some plonker will deliver late and remember it can sit in the letter box over night.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    edited May 7

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    I think rather than referenda (too time-consuming and expensive), we should explore the idea of citizen assemblies as a way of restoring health to our democracy.
    Citizen Assemblies will be owned and run by the outgoing elements of the middles classes - who also own and run the parties and the administrative system. Referenda don’t have that that problem. Indeed, referenda would be a good counterbalance to that problem.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229

    .

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    Can’t be arsed having a long exchange about physiognomy but as I said before I don’t see a hooked nose. Nevertheless even I did, given the long, ignoble history of antisemitic cartooning I would avoid heavily exaggerating that feature of a Jewish politician.

    https://x.com/respectisvital/status/2051991062432940112?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    It's the Telegraph one that particularly jumps out at me as bad.
    In best Lady Bracknell tones, it’s that not one but four mainstream papers all jumped on the same bandwagon that struck me.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881

    .

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    Can’t be arsed having a long exchange about physiognomy but as I said before I don’t see a hooked nose. Nevertheless even I did, given the long, ignoble history of antisemitic cartooning I would avoid heavily exaggerating that feature of a Jewish politician.

    https://x.com/respectisvital/status/2051991062432940112?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    It's the Telegraph one that particularly jumps out at me as bad.
    Top right is the worst afaic. Looks as though it comes from the Mail - you'd have thought with its inglorious history in relation to antisemitism, it could be a little more careful.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,549

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    It's otoh the best system because it maximises the participation and impact of ordinary people on decisions that affect them. But otoh it's the system that most depends on having an informed judicious electorate.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    Foss said:

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    I think rather than referenda (too time-consuming and expensive), we should explore the idea of citizen assemblies as a way of restoring health to our democracy.
    Citizen Assemblies will be owned and run by the outgoing elements of the middles classes - who also own and run the parties and the administrative system. Referenda don’t have that that problem. Indeed, referenda would be a good counterbalance to that problem.
    They don't have to be, so long as they are constituted by properly representative samples of the population.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    Voted. In the third building I entered.
    Polling card said Church Hall. Said church had a garish "Polling Station" sign on the fence. Entered. C of E coffee morning. Followed vicar's instructions down a side alley I'd never noticed before. Entered the only visible building. Preschool dance class.
    Finally found it round a corner. Just me and the teller and a notice warning against family voting.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687
    edited May 7

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    We have two prominent gap-toothed party leaders now.

    "In the Caribbean, gap teeth are associated with sexual allure; in West Africa, they signify wealth. In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character. A gap-toothed character was not one to be taken seriously, and they'd often be found lurking at the bottom of the social pecking order.

    Gap teeth have served some people particularly well. Comedians have long played on a gap-toothed appearance to convey disingenuousness and lack of guile. This plays to the idea of flaws being funny, but in an age where gap teeth are easily fixable, uniformity has become increasingly desirable.

    As Patricia Cumper discovers, retaining a gap toothed appearance now has a lot to do with allure. In France, it represents coquettishness, lustfulness and sexual naivety. Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin and Vanessa Paradis were all cast in the role of alluring child-women early in their careers; their uneven dentistry helped to convince.

    Today, a dentist's point of view on diastema – the official term for gap teeth – would be that it's a flaw waiting to be corrected. What does it say about those who choose to retain this distinguishing characteristic in the face of bright white, even-toothed homogeny? In this playful, surprising and personal journey, Patricia unpicks the consequences and the cultural connotations of retaining the gap in her two front teeth."

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2015/39/mind-the-gap
    Kemi also has a not insubstantial hooter. I’m sure no one would have a problem with, say, Steve Bell further enlarging it and pasting a piccaninny’s water melon smile avec gap on to her.
    I had a quick look, and cartoonists don't seem to think her nose is worthy of exaggeration:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/sep/30/ben-jennings-kemi-badenoch-views-maternity-pay-cartoon

    (The depiction of the single mother is arguably more offensive in this one...)

    Here's another:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/sep/30/ben-jennings-kemi-badenoch-views-maternity-pay-cartoon

    I think the lesson here is that The Guardian need Steve Bell back, because these cartoons are shit.

    Bonus Sun cartoon. Rishi with a big nose, Kemi with a small one:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/25563539/kemi-badenoch-backs-rishi-sunak-rocking-sinking-ship/
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    edited May 7
    I was going to vote Green but I got a letter from the Lib Dem Candidate last night which changed my mind. In a hand written type face it said what he was doing for the area and what he had done.........

    He then said "The Green Party are not targetting this area. They are working hard on other parts as they know in your area the Lib Dems have the best chance of beating Labour which is why you won't have heard from them".

    Clever marketing.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    The postal vote stuff up here was confusing for my not-well-up-on-modern-life mother. So I helped her vote - what she needs to do with the actual ballots, what needs folding and inserting into what, how to stick it down and which way round into the envelope etc.

    Happy for refuk to report "family voting" to the Electoral Commission and use me as an example. Have already fed back to my friend who works there...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,695

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    Has everyone seen "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer"? It's all on YouTube: see this bit, https://youtu.be/qXZde7lMDIw?si=SHEwjmkvstLwFx8c&t=5417 and for the next 5 minutes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,932
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    We have two prominent gap-toothed party leaders now.

    "In the Caribbean, gap teeth are associated with sexual allure; in West Africa, they signify wealth. In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character. A gap-toothed character was not one to be taken seriously, and they'd often be found lurking at the bottom of the social pecking order.

    Gap teeth have served some people particularly well. Comedians have long played on a gap-toothed appearance to convey disingenuousness and lack of guile. This plays to the idea of flaws being funny, but in an age where gap teeth are easily fixable, uniformity has become increasingly desirable.

    As Patricia Cumper discovers, retaining a gap toothed appearance now has a lot to do with allure. In France, it represents coquettishness, lustfulness and sexual naivety. Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin and Vanessa Paradis were all cast in the role of alluring child-women early in their careers; their uneven dentistry helped to convince.

    Today, a dentist's point of view on diastema – the official term for gap teeth – would be that it's a flaw waiting to be corrected. What does it say about those who choose to retain this distinguishing characteristic in the face of bright white, even-toothed homogeny? In this playful, surprising and personal journey, Patricia unpicks the consequences and the cultural connotations of retaining the gap in her two front teeth."

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2015/39/mind-the-gap
    "In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character."

    That is a terrible misreading of Chaucers depiction of The Wife of Bath. She was neither poor (distinctly middle-class), idiotic (she was a successful textile merchant) nor especially devious - married first at 12, she then too a more pragmatic role of using marriage to get herself a better quality of life from her subsequent husbands.

    Was the intent to paint Kemi as poor/idiotic/devious?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    We have two prominent gap-toothed party leaders now.

    "In the Caribbean, gap teeth are associated with sexual allure; in West Africa, they signify wealth. In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character. A gap-toothed character was not one to be taken seriously, and they'd often be found lurking at the bottom of the social pecking order.

    Gap teeth have served some people particularly well. Comedians have long played on a gap-toothed appearance to convey disingenuousness and lack of guile. This plays to the idea of flaws being funny, but in an age where gap teeth are easily fixable, uniformity has become increasingly desirable.

    As Patricia Cumper discovers, retaining a gap toothed appearance now has a lot to do with allure. In France, it represents coquettishness, lustfulness and sexual naivety. Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin and Vanessa Paradis were all cast in the role of alluring child-women early in their careers; their uneven dentistry helped to convince.

    Today, a dentist's point of view on diastema – the official term for gap teeth – would be that it's a flaw waiting to be corrected. What does it say about those who choose to retain this distinguishing characteristic in the face of bright white, even-toothed homogeny? In this playful, surprising and personal journey, Patricia unpicks the consequences and the cultural connotations of retaining the gap in her two front teeth."

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2015/39/mind-the-gap
    "In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character."

    That is a terrible misreading of Chaucers depiction of The Wife of Bath. She was neither poor (distinctly middle-class), idiotic (she was a successful textile merchant) nor especially devious - married first at 12, she then too a more pragmatic role of using marriage to get herself a better quality of life from her subsequent husbands.

    Was the intent to paint Kemi as poor/idiotic/devious?
    It's from 2015 - it's not about Kemi. It's just a thing I found with Google...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    Tres said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    fitalass said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    stodge said:

    It seems everyone on here is now voting Conservative and praising Kemi Badenoch to the skies.

    To use the gardening analogy, being cosseted in the indoor garden with the herbaceous intelligentsia and Niallus Fergusonium might be fine but she'll have to cope with the more rigorous environment of the outdoor world before long.

    Her tendency to the uncosted populist pledge is a concern as is my abiding doubt whatever she says on working or not working with Reform will go out the window if the Parliamentary arithmetic means Reform plus Conservatives equals a majority. Oddly enough, I'd be more likely to vote for her if she said she would support a non-Reform Government but we all know that won't happen.

    Here in Newham, fortunately, voting Conservative is about as useful as voting Lib Dem, Reform or CPA. I will vote LD for the Mayor but as I have three Council seats and one LD candidate, I have a dilemma over my other two votes which I've not resolved.

    I'm obviously not Kemi's target audience, but for what it's worth - I always find her manner pleasant, and am taken aback by the relatively extreme policies that she often advocates. If I was looking for right-wing policies, would I be put off by her mild manner?
    She spends too much time doom scrolling Twitter, so thinks batshit reactionary stuff is mainstream.
    And yet, she is now the most popular of the major party leaders. The PB Centrist Dads getting it totally wrong. Again
    I often wonder if the same Centrists Dads would be getting it totally wrong that first couple of years when David Cameron became Conservative leader and he was pictured with the huskies.. Look how many of them totally underestimated his then wing man who over saw his leadership campaign up against the then nailed on favourite David Davis. The day Theresa May became Conservative Leader and PM she and her team didn't allow George Osborne the dignity of resigning from his post as Chancellor, no he was sacked and I said that day it was her first and probable her biggest mistake. I always remember OGH agreeing with that verdict.

    She didn't have an elected wing man who was as over their own brief at No11 or any other Cabinet post but also all the other departments to the extent he saw the issues with her own two key Spads at the Home Office but more importantly Michael Gove's Spad Dominic Cummings.. And he was proved right.

    Theresa May's advisers that Osborne locked heads with advised her to go back on her word about calling an early election and then oversaw that disastrous manifesto and campaign leaving her a much weakened PM with no majority during the endless Parliamentary Brexit battles at Westminster until she finally throw the towel in and stepped down.

    And that has been a problem for Keir Starmer too, he has been too reliant on unelected Spads and had no loyal base of elected senior Cabinet Ministers to advise him or protect him. Instead he is swinging in the wind more rudderless as he has no leadership skills or natural support base within his party, and now so weak his Cabinet and backbenchers are exploiting that and getting in their own demands while getting him to carry the can and making him look weaker by the day. And yet he keeps throwing everyone else who gets in the poltical cross fire under a bus, at some point he is going to run out of people blame and he already has no elected allies to lean on.
    Osborne had plenty of faults, but he was head and shoulders above pretty well all of his successors as Chancellor.
    funny then he has failed at every job he's tried since failing as Chancellor
    And yet was very well paid in all of them... 😎
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    Foss said:

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    I think rather than referenda (too time-consuming and expensive), we should explore the idea of citizen assemblies as a way of restoring health to our democracy.
    Citizen Assemblies will be owned and run by the outgoing elements of the middles classes - who also own and run the parties and the administrative system. Referenda don’t have that that problem. Indeed, referenda would be a good counterbalance to that problem.
    They don't have to be, so long as they are constituted by properly representative samples of the population.
    I'm a big fan of citizen assemblies, but all forms of participatory politics have the same issue - that some people find it easier to participate than others. Generally it is easier for people in professional/office jobs (or retired) to get the time off work to participate. In Ireland - where they've generally been quite positive* - meetings of citizen assemblies have tended to be scheduled for the weekend, which is more problematic for shift-workers, those working in retail/hospitality, those with parenting responsibilities, etc.

    * Irish governments seem to have cooled on the use of citizen assemblies now that the more recent ones made recommendations they were uncomfortable with, instead of recommending what they wanted to do already.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,394
    Meanwhile, in "maybe Kemi does have some flaws" tittle-tattle,

    NEW: Tory source responds to David Gauke being nominated for a knighthood by Labour

    "Kemi absolutely livid Labour nominated Gauke. She wouldn't have him anywhere near any list. Starmer even snuck it through a random honours committee to stop Kemi vetoing it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaheale.bsky.social/post/3mlat4brhkk25

    Isn't it just a routine bauble to say thanks for his prisons review?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798
    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    I plumped for Ayr based on the MRPs and chats with a few work colleagues from the area. But yes, it's a punt not a guarantee.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253

    Labour doesn’t need to worry about the left flank, it is Reform.

    And yet Labour attacks the Greens and panders to Reform
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238

    Meanwhile, in "maybe Kemi does have some flaws" tittle-tattle,

    NEW: Tory source responds to David Gauke being nominated for a knighthood by Labour

    "Kemi absolutely livid Labour nominated Gauke. She wouldn't have him anywhere near any list. Starmer even snuck it through a random honours committee to stop Kemi vetoing it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaheale.bsky.social/post/3mlat4brhkk25

    Isn't it just a routine bauble to say thanks for his prisons review?

    No one ever said she wasn't mean spirited. While Theresa was dancing through the wheat fields she was ruining the life chances of a fellow pupil by getting him expelled for cheating.

    Not a very nice person I would say
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,278
    Wait. What's this? Mark Littlewood has a new blog on political betting:

    Political Betting: Will it be ‘Starmageddon’ for Labour in the Local Elections?
    https://dailysceptic.org/2026/05/07/political-betting-will-it-be-starmageddon-for-labour-in-the-local-elections/
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628
    edited May 7
    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    There’s always a risk in interpreting MRPs at a constituency level, even if overall they get it right. E.g. Edinburgh Northern going LD - will that bit of Almond (Silverknowes & Muirhouse) really swing it away from the SNP? Seems unlikely to me, I’d have thought that was the most SNP part of the ward.

    Obviously Trinity and Inverleith are pretty posh, but even then the Greens and SNP pick up half their councillors. Going to be really interesting which party left-wing voters go for.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,278
    slade said:

    I voted 2 weeks ago by post - and I voted for myself.

    That's one then. :smile:
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    Meanwhile, in "maybe Kemi does have some flaws" tittle-tattle,

    NEW: Tory source responds to David Gauke being nominated for a knighthood by Labour

    "Kemi absolutely livid Labour nominated Gauke. She wouldn't have him anywhere near any list. Starmer even snuck it through a random honours committee to stop Kemi vetoing it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaheale.bsky.social/post/3mlat4brhkk25

    Isn't it just a routine bauble to say thanks for his prisons review?

    Debrett's reckons there are about 3,000 living knights and dames. So many that they gave up on keeping track of them in the 1970s.

    It does seem to have been handed out absurdly easily in recent years.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    Roger said:

    Meanwhile, in "maybe Kemi does have some flaws" tittle-tattle,

    NEW: Tory source responds to David Gauke being nominated for a knighthood by Labour

    "Kemi absolutely livid Labour nominated Gauke. She wouldn't have him anywhere near any list. Starmer even snuck it through a random honours committee to stop Kemi vetoing it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaheale.bsky.social/post/3mlat4brhkk25

    Isn't it just a routine bauble to say thanks for his prisons review?

    No one ever said she wasn't mean spirited. While Theresa was dancing through the wheat fields she was ruining the life chances of a fellow pupil by getting him expelled for cheating.

    Not a very nice person I would say
    So people should be allowed to cheat, then?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,166
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    It's otoh the best system because it maximises the participation and impact of ordinary people on decisions that affect them. But otoh it's the system that most depends on having an informed judicious electorate.
    It does make the electorate more informed and judicious, in my experience - if you are encouraged to take a view on various issues every 3 months, you really have to engage (and admittedly only about 40-50% do), whereas voting for a party now and then is something which positively encourages you not to bother to think. I really liked the fact that people would consider voting for a proposal from a party that they'd never consider supporting as a party - conversely, it gave supporters of small parties a chance to exert real influence if they put forward a good idea in moderate form.

    I don't think it's especially expensive. The real "cost" is that the influence of parties is reduced to an advisory function, plus actually trying to implement the ideas of the electorate. As with any change, it's against the interest of whoever wins a majority under the current system.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Just had a late on the day leaflet drop from Reform. Two hours too late im afraid, guys.
    Im guessing low 30s to 35% will take my ward with Ref, Con and LD all very active here. Con 60% plus last time (but in 2021 when they polled 40% plus regularly nationally)
    This ought to be one of the better end of Conservative wards in Norfolk so if they arent close or winning it might be a very very bad night for them in Norfolk
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,278
    Farage voted in Clacton.

  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 798
    Eabhal said:

    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    There’s always a risk in interpreting MRPs at a constituency level, even if overall they get it right. E.g. Edinburgh Northern going LD - will that bit of Almond (Silverknowes & Muirhouse) really swing it away from the SNP? Seems unlikely to me, I’d have thought that was the most SNP part of the ward.

    Obviously Trinity and Inverleith are pretty posh, but even then the Greens and SNP pick up half their councillors. Going to be really interesting which party left-wing voters go for.
    So much of this depends on relative turnout.
    Edin Northern going LD is a stretch I think.
    Reform could do quite well in the North East, but will fall well short if the SNP vote holds up.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    Farage voted in Clacton.

    Who for, I wonder?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,701

    Good look to everybody voting against Reform today.

    Such petty small minded self-harming bollocks. You'd rather give power to Polanski's lot. Makes me want to vote Reform to be honest, though that would still be allowing your witless drivel to influence me in some form.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,089

    The postal vote stuff up here was confusing for my not-well-up-on-modern-life mother. So I helped her vote - what she needs to do with the actual ballots, what needs folding and inserting into what, how to stick it down and which way round into the envelope etc.

    Happy for refuk to report "family voting" to the Electoral Commission and use me as an example. Have already fed back to my friend who works there...

    At a recent council by-election postal vote opening sessions one of the Postal Votes returned was from the previous election 9 months ago. I wondered how long it had been sitting in the sorting office.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    IanB2 said:

    Very brisk this morning; over 200 votes in the box by 11
    am

    Fluffy dog. Viewcode happy!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238

    Roger said:

    Meanwhile, in "maybe Kemi does have some flaws" tittle-tattle,

    NEW: Tory source responds to David Gauke being nominated for a knighthood by Labour

    "Kemi absolutely livid Labour nominated Gauke. She wouldn't have him anywhere near any list. Starmer even snuck it through a random honours committee to stop Kemi vetoing it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaheale.bsky.social/post/3mlat4brhkk25

    Isn't it just a routine bauble to say thanks for his prisons review?

    No one ever said she wasn't mean spirited. While Theresa was dancing through the wheat fields she was ruining the life chances of a fellow pupil by getting him expelled for cheating.

    Not a very nice person I would say
    So people should be allowed to cheat, then?
    You might enjoy 'Les Miserables' though you could need help with redemption bit
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881

    Good look to everybody voting against Reform today.

    Such petty small minded self-harming bollocks. You'd rather give power to Polanski's lot. Makes me want to vote Reform to be honest, though that would still be allowing your witless drivel to influence me in some form.
    Two ends of the same horseshoe afaic.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Meanwhile, in "maybe Kemi does have some flaws" tittle-tattle,

    NEW: Tory source responds to David Gauke being nominated for a knighthood by Labour

    "Kemi absolutely livid Labour nominated Gauke. She wouldn't have him anywhere near any list. Starmer even snuck it through a random honours committee to stop Kemi vetoing it."

    https://bsky.app/profile/jaheale.bsky.social/post/3mlat4brhkk25

    Isn't it just a routine bauble to say thanks for his prisons review?

    No one ever said she wasn't mean spirited. While Theresa was dancing through the wheat fields she was ruining the life chances of a fellow pupil by getting him expelled for cheating.

    Not a very nice person I would say
    So people should be allowed to cheat, then?
    You might enjoy 'Les Miserables' though you could need help with redemption bit
    I'm perfectly happy with my view of redemption. Should you report a crime if you see one?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Fourth power law. There’s been a very significant increase in LGV mileage on minor roads - once upon at time you’d have one Royal Mail van go round, now it’s endless Amazon.

    + catastrophic LA finances, obviously
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    edited May 7
    Eabhal said:

    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    There’s always a risk in interpreting MRPs at a constituency level, even if overall they get it right. E.g. Edinburgh Northern going LD - will that bit of Almond (Silverknowes & Muirhouse) really swing it away from the SNP? Seems unlikely to me, I’d have thought that was the most SNP part of the ward.

    Obviously Trinity and Inverleith are pretty posh, but even then the Greens and SNP pick up half their councillors. Going to be really interesting which party left-wing voters go for.
    Rowling lives adjacently I think, she’ll have been firing out Expelliarmus Natus Transitus spells 24/7, or funding whichever Yoon party she’s currently adopted as a cat’s paw.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,801

    Farage voted in Clacton.

    You know who else only had one ball...
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    Got to say that austerity and the delayed repairs that that created has created a massive problem at the moment. I have 1 sane and 1 rather insane route into town and the insane route is the one I’m taking as I don’t fancy a new alloy
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628

    Eabhal said:

    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    There’s always a risk in interpreting MRPs at a constituency level, even if overall they get it right. E.g. Edinburgh Northern going LD - will that bit of Almond (Silverknowes & Muirhouse) really swing it away from the SNP? Seems unlikely to me, I’d have thought that was the most SNP part of the ward.

    Obviously Trinity and Inverleith are pretty posh, but even then the Greens and SNP pick up half their councillors. Going to be really interesting which party left-wing voters go for.
    Eabhal said:

    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    There’s always a risk in interpreting MRPs at a constituency level, even if overall they get it right. E.g. Edinburgh Northern going LD - will that bit of Almond (Silverknowes & Muirhouse) really swing it away from the SNP? Seems unlikely to me, I’d have thought that was the most SNP part of the ward.

    Obviously Trinity and Inverleith are pretty posh, but even then the Greens and SNP pick up half their councillors. Going to be really interesting which party left-wing voters go for.
    Rowling lives adjacently I think, she’ll have been firing out Expelliarmus Natus Transitus spells 24/7, or funding whichever Yoon party she’s currently adopted as a cat’s paw.
    She does, enormous hedge outside her place in Barnton. Cycle past it regularly on way to the gravel in Dalmeny.
  • MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Some patches of road round my way have a yellow 'high friction surface' on them. This seems to wear far slower than bare tarmac, one patch has been in place for over 25 years and has only minor wear and no pot holes. It's also amazingly grippy in the wet.

    But I assume this stuff is expensive.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532
    edited May 7

    Labour doesn’t need to worry about the left flank, it is Reform.

    Oh yes it does. That is a major driver of the Green vote. My son lives in Brixton and is voting Green in the Locals specifically to give Starmer a kicking, motivated by Gaza and other Culture War issues. He isn't particularly green on other issues, notably he is fond of bargain city breaks with low cost airlines.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,738
    slade said:

    I voted 2 weeks ago by post - and I voted for myself.

    Family voting is clearly rife.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Fourth power law. There’s been a very significant increase in LGV mileage on minor roads - once upon at time you’d have one Royal Mail van go round, now it’s endless Amazon.

    + catastrophic LA finances, obviously
    Sure, 4th power law. My recent experience (in Ireland, obvs) is that minor roads are fine. LGVs still aren't heavy enough to do nearly as much damage as HGVs. The minor roads that deteriorate are those the co-op milk tankers have to navigate to get to milking yards.

    But any road with regular HGV traffic is continually falling apart. I'm sure heavier rain in Ireland makes it worse here. The substrate of the road is less stable for starters, and large amounts of a road surface can disappear in one rain storm.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    Every time my car has gone in for a service, timing belt, MOT or whatever my garage has replaced at least one link, spring, arm or joint so I can understand your friends' vote.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,738

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856
    I see Marcus North (Australian) has been appointed as chief England selector. I now think I have a chance for the next Ashes squad (last innings was 29, batting at 4 for my village 3rd XI)...
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,013

    stodge said:

    It seems everyone on here is now voting Conservative and praising Kemi Badenoch to the skies.

    To use the gardening analogy, being cosseted in the indoor garden with the herbaceous intelligentsia and Niallus Fergusonium might be fine but she'll have to cope with the more rigorous environment of the outdoor world before long.

    Her tendency to the uncosted populist pledge is a concern as is my abiding doubt whatever she says on working or not working with Reform will go out the window if the Parliamentary arithmetic means Reform plus Conservatives equals a majority. Oddly enough, I'd be more likely to vote for her if she said she would support a non-Reform Government but we all know that won't happen.

    Here in Newham, fortunately, voting Conservative is about as useful as voting Lib Dem, Reform or CPA. I will vote LD for the Mayor but as I have three Council seats and one LD candidate, I have a dilemma over my other two votes which I've not resolved.

    I'm obviously not Kemi's target audience, but for what it's worth - I always find her manner pleasant, and am taken aback by the relatively extreme policies that she often advocates. If I was looking for right-wing policies, would I be put off by her mild manner?
    Hi Nick. I’m very taken by Kemi’s manner too. I’m not that sure of her political beliefs. What are a few of the relatively extreme policies that have surprised you and which presumably you disagree with? Ta.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,675
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    We have two prominent gap-toothed party leaders now.

    "In the Caribbean, gap teeth are associated with sexual allure; in West Africa, they signify wealth. In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character. A gap-toothed character was not one to be taken seriously, and they'd often be found lurking at the bottom of the social pecking order.

    Gap teeth have served some people particularly well. Comedians have long played on a gap-toothed appearance to convey disingenuousness and lack of guile. This plays to the idea of flaws being funny, but in an age where gap teeth are easily fixable, uniformity has become increasingly desirable.

    As Patricia Cumper discovers, retaining a gap toothed appearance now has a lot to do with allure. In France, it represents coquettishness, lustfulness and sexual naivety. Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin and Vanessa Paradis were all cast in the role of alluring child-women early in their careers; their uneven dentistry helped to convince.

    Today, a dentist's point of view on diastema – the official term for gap teeth – would be that it's a flaw waiting to be corrected. What does it say about those who choose to retain this distinguishing characteristic in the face of bright white, even-toothed homogeny? In this playful, surprising and personal journey, Patricia unpicks the consequences and the cultural connotations of retaining the gap in her two front teeth."

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2015/39/mind-the-gap
    "In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character."

    That is a terrible misreading of Chaucers depiction of The Wife of Bath. She was neither poor (distinctly middle-class), idiotic (she was a successful textile merchant) nor especially devious - married first at 12, she then too a more pragmatic role of using marriage to get herself a better quality of life from her subsequent husbands.

    Was the intent to paint Kemi as poor/idiotic/devious?
    It's from 2015 - it's not about Kemi. It's just a thing I found with Google...
    'Gat-toothed' implied sensuality, but I think in a glam rather than erotic way. If you read Chaucer's Wife of Bath as licentious, you're reading it wrong.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520
    Sweeney74 said:

    Eabhal said:

    DoctorG said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    DoctorG said:

    Eabhal said:

    Interesting that the latest YouGov MRP for Scotland has the Greens closer to where instinctively I thought they would be - 16 seats.

    But I still think Reform will get over 20 based on anecdotal chatter from the Highlsnds/NE/West Lothian. And the SNP won’t make 60.

    I wonder if there is a shy tendency for Reform voters ... 20 seats is perfectly plausible, 4 in some regions but may struggle for 2 in Glasgow/Edinburgh. Can't see them taking many constituencies, but could be some surprises if low turnout.

    I think 16 would be nearer the upper end of Green seats, theres one or two constituencies they could have stood in and performed very well, Kelvin would be a strong chance if Patrick Harvie had stood and it was old boundaries. They'll get a seat in South, but wont get 2, most other regions should deliver 2 Greens.

    Think I said 58 for SNP in the predictions contest, but can see them down to 55 or slightly lower if they don't poll well in Aberdeenshire and Highlands. I think the Tories can hang on in the south, but their list will be decimated. Less sure about Labour, not a good sign for them from Jackie Baillie yesterday
    I've got Reform winning 2 constituencies (Banffshire & Buchan Coast and Ayr) plus 19 list seats. - 21 in total
    SNP on 60 (no list seats)
    I'm really not sure where this fuss over Reform in Ayr is coming from, a few MRPs had it going to them. Carrick & Cumnock and Cunninghame south both look like they'd go to Reform before Ayr fell. Ayr is no longer the retirement home it used to be, there are more families moving there. Ref finished 3rd behind the SNP at the Ayr north by election, which should be one of their better wards. I dont think the Ayr MSP has been all that convincing, but I'd imagine she should be ok given the likely crumbling Tory vote.

    Agree on Banff, thats surely their best chance of a constituency gain. Elsewhere, a lot of Reform constituency candidates have been really poor
    There’s always a risk in interpreting MRPs at a constituency level, even if overall they get it right. E.g. Edinburgh Northern going LD - will that bit of Almond (Silverknowes & Muirhouse) really swing it away from the SNP? Seems unlikely to me, I’d have thought that was the most SNP part of the ward.

    Obviously Trinity and Inverleith are pretty posh, but even then the Greens and SNP pick up half their councillors. Going to be really interesting which party left-wing voters go for.
    So much of this depends on relative turnout.
    Edin Northern going LD is a stretch I think.
    Reform could do quite well in the North East, but will fall well short if the SNP vote holds up.
    BBC is sui generis, the rest of the North East is a lot less Reform curious. I think the Lib Dems will pick up if the the SNP are down. If the Tories are also down, then the voter flow could be fairly chaotic though.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    edited May 7

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
    Which is completely unrelated to the road tax, sorry VED formulae.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930

    I see Marcus North (Australian) has been appointed as chief England selector. I now think I have a chance for the next Ashes squad (last innings was 29, batting at 4 for my village 3rd XI)...

    With 29 you'll be promoted to opening.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,532
    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    Well judging by Reform led councils poor record that is a strong reason to vote '"Anyone but Reform".
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628
    This might bemuse some on here, but my pencil will hover briefly over the SCon box, simply because they’ve pledged to abolish LBTT.

    It’s a disastrous tax for the economy, fertility rate, housing market and my personal finances. But their policy on cycle lanes (distilled from bots on Facebook) then immediately disqualifies them.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,714
    Canvassed by the conservatives yesterday

    Confirmed our 2 votes

    Canvassed again just now

    GOTV by local conservatives
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Roger said:

    Has anyone had a go at predicting the make up of the Scottish Parliament?

    Starry said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic, I have one of the most pleasant polling stations to vote in in the country. It is at the local cricket club: it is possible to vote, then go upstairs for a reasonably well-kept and reasonably priced pint of real ale and a low-key conversation while catching an only-vaguely-interested eye over whatever cricket is happening beneath the setting sun, or else sitting on a comfy seat looking at whatever is exciting Sky Sports today.
    Even so, I'm only 70% sure I'll bother. If that's true for reasonaly-engaged me with such a fine polling station, it's no wonder turnout is unimpressive.

    Real ale and cricket? Pleasant? Is this a parody account?
    Cookie will be crossdressing as an old maid as he pauses to cast his vote while cycling to communion.
    Those living at the other end of the road to Cookie get to vote, watched over by Danger Mouse, Count Duckula, Chorlton and the Wheelies, and their friends in our polling station.

    https://watersidearts.org/about/news/cosgrove-hall-films-archive-in-sale-library/
    Why the link to Cosgrove Hall? I used to know several of them. A lot of talent came out of there.
    We're only a mile or so from Chorlton, and there is an exhibition space.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628
    stjohn said:

    stodge said:

    It seems everyone on here is now voting Conservative and praising Kemi Badenoch to the skies.

    To use the gardening analogy, being cosseted in the indoor garden with the herbaceous intelligentsia and Niallus Fergusonium might be fine but she'll have to cope with the more rigorous environment of the outdoor world before long.

    Her tendency to the uncosted populist pledge is a concern as is my abiding doubt whatever she says on working or not working with Reform will go out the window if the Parliamentary arithmetic means Reform plus Conservatives equals a majority. Oddly enough, I'd be more likely to vote for her if she said she would support a non-Reform Government but we all know that won't happen.

    Here in Newham, fortunately, voting Conservative is about as useful as voting Lib Dem, Reform or CPA. I will vote LD for the Mayor but as I have three Council seats and one LD candidate, I have a dilemma over my other two votes which I've not resolved.

    I'm obviously not Kemi's target audience, but for what it's worth - I always find her manner pleasant, and am taken aback by the relatively extreme policies that she often advocates. If I was looking for right-wing policies, would I be put off by her mild manner?
    Hi Nick. I’m very taken by Kemi’s manner too. I’m not that sure of her political beliefs. What are a few of the relatively extreme policies that have surprised you and which presumably you disagree with? Ta.
    “British ICE” shortly before they shot two people in the head. “Bomb Iran” shortly before the world economy collapses.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644

    kinabalu said:

    So, big day. You should do it properly and I have. Read all the leaflets (carefully), researched the candidates, chatted to any who knocked me up, gave due weight to local issues, who's pledging to fix the crater-sized pothole near Tesco, who's best placed to pollard the trees on my road, the competing positions on the hot potato of the proposed new bus lane (I'm in the yes camp), then once fully clued up, the final step of deciding who to vote for. Which for me this time is going to be Labour.

    WhenI l lived in Switzerland, I knew several couples who would set aside an evening every 3 months to go through the literature on the current referenda (which were that frequent) and decide how to vote. Recommendations from the parties were noted but not given tremendous weight, and even far-left or far-right parties with minimal support could get a sensible proposal through. Near-misses were recognised as a valid signal by the government - e.g. the 40% voting to abolish the armed forces were taken as a signal to reduce military spending. It convinced me of the value of direct democracy, though I suspect that in countries like ours unused to it, it would take time to get to that stage.
    Has everyone seen "The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer"? It's all on YouTube: see this bit, https://youtu.be/qXZde7lMDIw?si=SHEwjmkvstLwFx8c&t=5417 and for the next 5 minutes.
    Many years ago. Got a copy from thebox.bz

    It wasn’t well regarded at the time but is now considered a classic.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,628

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Fourth power law. There’s been a very significant increase in LGV mileage on minor roads - once upon at time you’d have one Royal Mail van go round, now it’s endless Amazon.

    + catastrophic LA finances, obviously
    Sure, 4th power law. My recent experience (in Ireland, obvs) is that minor roads are fine. LGVs still aren't heavy enough to do nearly as much damage as HGVs. The minor roads that deteriorate are those the co-op milk tankers have to navigate to get to milking yards.

    But any road with regular HGV traffic is continually falling apart. I'm sure heavier rain in Ireland makes it worse here. The substrate of the road is less stable for starters, and large amounts of a road surface can disappear in one rain storm.
    Funny but the complete opposite here. Roads looked after by central government are broadly fine.

    The fourth power law is why I’m so sanctimonious while cycling around Edinburgh.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    https://x.com/telegraph/status/2052312729231221222

    Zack Polanski has claimed that neither Israel nor any other country has a right to exist

    Why can’t he just be quiet? Bizarre strategy.

    Maybe he thinks he can gain more anti-semitic votes than he loses. The strategy seemed to work (to a point) for Corbyn
    On the subject of anti-semitism, would any of these images be tolerated of any other Jewish politician?



    Incidentally a bizarre response to blame the Green Party for right wing press cartoons.
    Perfectly ok as we have been assured on here that Polanski has a 'hooked nose'
    He does though. Its tricky for cartoonists who will exaggerate features of the subject for comic effect. I'd argue Polanski's features of note are (1) his gap in his teeth and (2) a rather large nose.

    We have two prominent gap-toothed party leaders now.

    "In the Caribbean, gap teeth are associated with sexual allure; in West Africa, they signify wealth. In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character. A gap-toothed character was not one to be taken seriously, and they'd often be found lurking at the bottom of the social pecking order.

    Gap teeth have served some people particularly well. Comedians have long played on a gap-toothed appearance to convey disingenuousness and lack of guile. This plays to the idea of flaws being funny, but in an age where gap teeth are easily fixable, uniformity has become increasingly desirable.

    As Patricia Cumper discovers, retaining a gap toothed appearance now has a lot to do with allure. In France, it represents coquettishness, lustfulness and sexual naivety. Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin and Vanessa Paradis were all cast in the role of alluring child-women early in their careers; their uneven dentistry helped to convince.

    Today, a dentist's point of view on diastema – the official term for gap teeth – would be that it's a flaw waiting to be corrected. What does it say about those who choose to retain this distinguishing characteristic in the face of bright white, even-toothed homogeny? In this playful, surprising and personal journey, Patricia unpicks the consequences and the cultural connotations of retaining the gap in her two front teeth."

    https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/proginfo/2015/39/mind-the-gap
    "In historical fiction, gap teeth signified poverty, idiocy or deviousness, as with Geoffrey Chaucer's wife of bath character."

    That is a terrible misreading of Chaucers depiction of The Wife of Bath. She was neither poor (distinctly middle-class), idiotic (she was a successful textile merchant) nor especially devious - married first at 12, she then too a more pragmatic role of using marriage to get herself a better quality of life from her subsequent husbands.

    Was the intent to paint Kemi as poor/idiotic/devious?
    It's from 2015 - it's not about Kemi. It's just a thing I found with Google...
    'Gat-toothed' implied sensuality, but I think in a glam rather than erotic way. If you read Chaucer's Wife of Bath as licentious, you're reading it wrong.
    Bit early in the day for this, but in South Africa it is indeed considerd erotic, after a slightly disturbing fashion:

    https://www.medindia.net/news/oral-sex-or-peer-pressure-how-a-sexual-myth-has-made-being-toothless-fashionable-in-cape-town-59114-1.htm
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
    That won't help, but is really very marginal. The legal limit on axle weight for an HGV in Britain is 10,500kg, while that of even a monstrous vehicle like the Cybertruck is only ~1,500kg. Because road wear is proportional to the fourth power of the axle weight, it means that one HGV produces as much road wear as 2,401 Cybertrucks.

    Road wear is almost completely about HGVs.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,386

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
    While increasing vehicle weights probably play a part, I think the main cause is lack of funding. When I was younger, people used to worry about where all the money would come from to care for my large cohort in its old age. Now that I'm older, we know the answer: the ballooning budget for adult social care is being paid by decimating the budget for everything else, including road maintenance.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,296
    Good afternoon PB.

    Can confirm polling is "brisk" !

    Lots of booze and snacks on standby for tonights festivities... See you later! :D
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,499

    Good look to everybody voting against Reform today.

    Such petty small minded self-harming bollocks. You'd rather give power to Polanski's lot. Makes me want to vote Reform to be honest, though that would still be allowing your witless drivel to influence me in some form.
    We've seen what happened in Hungary, and what it took for them to get rid of Orban, and don't want that over here. No thanks to British ICE and Farage and his cronies controlling the media and courts.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,856

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
    While increasing vehicle weights probably play a part, I think the main cause is lack of funding. When I was younger, people used to worry about where all the money would come from to care for my large cohort in its old age. Now that I'm older, we know the answer: the ballooning budget for adult social care is being paid by decimating the budget for everything else, including road maintenance.
    Short term approach too - shoddy fixes that last a week or two rather than a proper fix.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Fourth power law. There’s been a very significant increase in LGV mileage on minor roads - once upon at time you’d have one Royal Mail van go round, now it’s endless Amazon.

    + catastrophic LA finances, obviously
    Sure, 4th power law. My recent experience (in Ireland, obvs) is that minor roads are fine. LGVs still aren't heavy enough to do nearly as much damage as HGVs. The minor roads that deteriorate are those the co-op milk tankers have to navigate to get to milking yards.

    But any road with regular HGV traffic is continually falling apart. I'm sure heavier rain in Ireland makes it worse here. The substrate of the road is less stable for starters, and large amounts of a road surface can disappear in one rain storm.
    Funny but the complete opposite here. Roads looked after by central government are broadly fine.

    The fourth power law is why I’m so sanctimonious while cycling around Edinburgh.
    I may have a different definition of minor road to you. None of the roads around here are the responsibility of central government, so they'd all be minor roads on your reckoning.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    Eabhal said:

    This might bemuse some on here, but my pencil will hover briefly over the SCon box, simply because they’ve pledged to abolish LBTT.

    It’s a disastrous tax for the economy, fertility rate, housing market and my personal finances. But their policy on cycle lanes (distilled from bots on Facebook) then immediately disqualifies them.

    If the SNP hold BBC then that twat Swinney will foam on about a mandate for independence and do Nothing At All in government again whilst blaming the English.

    If the fukers take BBC then we get associated with *that*, albeit with comedy as people then get to witness precisely how their policies on energy fucks us and how their policies on fishing fucks us.

    Which leaves the Tories. They ran the SNP close last time, and the thing few people want to talk about is the exodus of SNP votes from poor / working areas to the fukers. So the Tories it is, cycle lane policy or not. And having read their candidate's leaflet I thought it was practically identical to my own 2024 GE leaflet. So...t
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    Eabhal said:

    This might bemuse some on here, but my pencil will hover briefly over the SCon box, simply because they’ve pledged to abolish LBTT.

    It’s a disastrous tax for the economy, fertility rate, housing market and my personal finances. But their policy on cycle lanes (distilled from bots on Facebook) then immediately disqualifies them.

    If the SNP hold BBC then that twat Swinney will foam on about a mandate for independence and do Nothing At All in government again whilst blaming the English.

    If the fukers take BBC then we get associated with *that*, albeit with comedy as people then get to witness precisely how their policies on energy fucks us and how their policies on fishing fucks us.

    Which leaves the Tories. They ran the SNP close last time, and the thing few people want to talk about is the exodus of SNP votes from poor / working areas to the fukers. So the Tories it is, cycle lane policy or not. And having read their candidate's leaflet I thought it was practically identical to my own 2024 GE leaflet. So...t
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,182

    Canvassed by the conservatives yesterday

    Confirmed our 2 votes

    Canvassed again just now

    GOTV by local conservatives

    Sounds inefficient, they shouldn’t have canvassed you again!
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,499

    Labour doesn’t need to worry about the left flank, it is Reform.

    If Labour just got back the voters it lost to the Greens or are currently DNV it would have enough support to win the next election. It's giving Glasman a time of day - and failing to understand voters who haven't voted for you since 05, aren't your voters anymore - which is a big reason why Labour is in a mess.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,801

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
    That won't help, but is really very marginal. The legal limit on axle weight for an HGV in Britain is 10,500kg, while that of even a monstrous vehicle like the Cybertruck is only ~1,500kg. Because road wear is proportional to the fourth power of the axle weight, it means that one HGV produces as much road wear as 2,401 Cybertrucks.

    Road wear is almost completely about HGVs.
    Cybertruck is 3,000+ kg.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    Well judging by Reform led councils poor record that is a strong reason to vote '"Anyone but Reform".
    Yeah, because no other councils have poor records 🙄

    Reform here are fixing pot holes and doing fine. In spite of Rochdale claiming Reform in Durham are a Poor council.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644

    The first meeting of the new Green Council


  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,675
    Mrs PtP voted LD in Camden, mainly because of her hostility to the anti-car agenda of the Labour council. Will take dynamite to shift them though.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644

    “ Just took my 93yr grandmother to vote, she’s registered blind. In a very loud voice she said, “which box for Islamism and bigger boobs?” A cheer went up from the waiting voters.”


    https://x.com/realdangliebitz/status/2052282256136302761?s=61
  • TresTres Posts: 3,789
    RobD said:

    Canvassed by the conservatives yesterday

    Confirmed our 2 votes

    Canvassed again just now

    GOTV by local conservatives

    Sounds inefficient, they shouldn’t have canvassed you again!
    no, you canvass until you know they have voted
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644

    Met police arrest man over theft of Morgan McSweeney’s phone

    Suspect, 28, is accused of selling the device that belonged to Sir Keir Starmer’s former chief of staff and contained WhatsApp messages about Peter Mandelson


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/morgan-mcsweeney-phone-theft-police-arrest-5hp6prkf6

    That’s a rarity. A Met arrest for phone theft.

    Wonder if they’re feeling okay.

    Next they’ll be trying to stop shoplifting.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,210
    IanB2 said:

    Very brisk this morning; over 200 votes in the box by 11
    am

    Ironically, the perspective makes it hard to tell the relative sizes of scale dog and polling station.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Dura_Ace said:

    MaxPB said:

    Well judging by my friends any party that wants to win needs to fix the potholes. It's literally the only issue anyone gives a fuck about.

    There seems to have been distressingly little advance in materials science to improve the durability of road surfaces over the last few decades. That, or increasing lorry traffic has demolished any gains made.
    Isn't it also something to do with the increasing weight of many modern tanks cars?
    That won't help, but is really very marginal. The legal limit on axle weight for an HGV in Britain is 10,500kg, while that of even a monstrous vehicle like the Cybertruck is only ~1,500kg. Because road wear is proportional to the fourth power of the axle weight, it means that one HGV produces as much road wear as 2,401 Cybertrucks.

    Road wear is almost completely about HGVs.
    Cybertruck is 3,000+ kg.
    Yeah, but it has two axles.
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