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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,816
    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    Cicero said:


    Tatiana Stanovaya
    @Stanovaya

    Something Is Shifting Inside Russia

    Recent developments inside Russia suggest the system is struggling to cope with mounting pressures. These include growing domestic strains, behind-the-scenes manoeuvring among elites, rumours of a coup d’état, a tighter and more reactive grip on control, fears of losing that control, and increasing exposure to Ukrainian strikes and assassinations. All this is unfolding against a worsening external backdrop: a destabilised Middle East and stalemate over Iran, a distracted Trump, and a more militarised (including nuclear-oriented) Europe.

    For the first time in years of war, there may be a shift.

    https://x.com/Stanovaya/status/2051694196826743121

    FWIW this is beginning to feel like the beginning of the end game.
    Regimes can seem so strong until suddenly they aren't.

    I'll believe it when i see it, but it's nice to think of it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 5
    Cicero said:


    Tatiana Stanovaya
    @Stanovaya

    Something Is Shifting Inside Russia

    Recent developments inside Russia suggest the system is struggling to cope with mounting pressures. These include growing domestic strains, behind-the-scenes manoeuvring among elites, rumours of a coup d’état, a tighter and more reactive grip on control, fears of losing that control, and increasing exposure to Ukrainian strikes and assassinations. All this is unfolding against a worsening external backdrop: a destabilised Middle East and stalemate over Iran, a distracted Trump, and a more militarised (including nuclear-oriented) Europe.

    For the first time in years of war, there may be a shift.

    https://x.com/Stanovaya/status/2051694196826743121

    FWIW this is beginning to feel like the beginning of the end game.
    I have a similar vibe

    You and I agree on almost nothing, but we can agree on this: ins'allah Putin is nearing his end. His actual toppling or demise may be too much to ask, but I do sense a weakening in Russia's position. 1m+ Russians dead and injured, FFS, it is insane - and like WW1 it cannot go on, so it won't
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159

    I might end up with egg on my face... but

    Could Kemi outperform expectations on Thursday?

    Sure, the Conservatives will stick take a pasting. But maybe not quite the catastrophic one that's expected.

    I mean, maybe. But a couple of weeks ago it looked like the Tories would be about level on seats with Labour in this set of local elections, and now Labour might be receiving a lifeline as Polanski does a late-Corbyn tribute act, so there's a better chance of the Tories being marooned in fifth, even if they also do a bit better than was expected.

    I suppose the general point that Reform/Greens both seem to have attracted low turnout voters might help the Tories/Labour, so the swings might be lower across the board.

    How many losses do you think Badenoch might keep it down to?

    I think falling well behind Reform in Wales and Scotland is potentially more consequential for the Conservative and Unionist Party than the English council elections, though.
    I don't know, but I will be voting Conservative.
    I am voting Liberal Democrat to keep the Greens out, it's my patriotic duty.
    The WASPI women thank you for your service.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    Well unless you are secretly 19 and Gen Alpha, my dear, I don't think he's targeting you, either
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    edited May 5
    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159

    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.

    He lost out to the better candidate
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    I don't see it, but people were swept up in Zak mania to the point everyone knew for months he was going to easily win the party leadership. He must have something.

    Of course, people don't like to say opponents have charisma, and fiercely reject the idea, see both Boris and Corbyn.

    And don't get started on Trump!
    Maybe the hypnotism thing is genuine and we're all just immune by virtue of age ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    26m
    Marco Rubio explains that the Trump administration's goal now is merely to reopen the Strait of Hormuz -- the prevailing state of affairs before Trump launched his pointless war

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2051744047291576717
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    Well unless you are secretly 19 and Gen Alpha, my dear, I don't think he's targeting you, either
    He's not targeting me for sure. Provincial science teacher in his fifties and all that. But I can understand the superficial appeal.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 5

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Leon said:

    Cicero said:


    Tatiana Stanovaya
    @Stanovaya

    Something Is Shifting Inside Russia

    Recent developments inside Russia suggest the system is struggling to cope with mounting pressures. These include growing domestic strains, behind-the-scenes manoeuvring among elites, rumours of a coup d’état, a tighter and more reactive grip on control, fears of losing that control, and increasing exposure to Ukrainian strikes and assassinations. All this is unfolding against a worsening external backdrop: a destabilised Middle East and stalemate over Iran, a distracted Trump, and a more militarised (including nuclear-oriented) Europe.

    For the first time in years of war, there may be a shift.

    https://x.com/Stanovaya/status/2051694196826743121

    FWIW this is beginning to feel like the beginning of the end game.
    I have a similar vibe

    You and I agree on almost nothing, but we can agree on this: ins'allah Putin is nearing his end. His actual toppling or demise may be too much to ask, but I do sense a weakening in Russia's position. 1m+ Russians dead and injured, FFS, it is insane - and like WW1 it cannot go on, so it won't
    It's not impossible but the problem is that too many are happy to pop the champagne corks as soon as Russia has some bad news.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241
    edited May 5

    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.

    Private Eye on that topic:

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1658/hp-sauce
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    scampi25 said:

    isam said:

    Kemi leading the way with Opinium

    For Kemi Badenoch, the picture is much stronger:

    🔵Leads on 13 of 15 attributes
    🔵Positive scores on principled (+2), decisive (+2) and competent (+2)
    🔵 Weakest on looking like a PM (-17), though still ahead of rivals



    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/2051653717686972420?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So how many net gains do you expect Kemi's Tories to make on Thursday in the locals based on this polling?
    It's not a fair comparison because you're measuring her against the greatest Tory election winner this century in Boris Johnson.
    Err when these elections were fought in 2022 the Tories made a net loss of nearly 500 seats.

    She should be making net gains,.
    The brand is the issue, not the leader and she has gained support across the party and increasingly with the public

    There are 3 years for her to recover the brand, and in that time Farage and Polanski have a mountain to climb to maintain their own support

    Thursday will be judgement day on Starmer not Kemi Badenoch
    You keep spinning that.
    Kemi seems to trigger you for some reason, but the polling is consistent as is the trend for her which is the first requirement for her to lead a brand recovery
    I see you’re playing the man and not the ball.
    Maybe because you seem almost obsessively negative about her.
    She’s got a great deal to be negative about.
    The trend is her friend.

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    Needs more time. Will the party collapse in panic when Reform easily eclipses them on Thursday, or hold on for the long haul?
    Her polling is fascinating, nonetheless

    I am trying to think of a similar example. A LOTO whose polling began poorly then declined, but then picked up month after month untilhe/she was top of the pops?

    I am sure it has happened, but when and who? Cameron?
    Jeremy Corbyn.
    Did it? I'd like a citation but I'm happy to be schooled if you are right

    My hazy memory is.... actually absent. I can't actually remember what happened during that time

    Brexit (2016-2019) is the political equivalent of Covid. A period of time so painful and confused it has been scrubbed from our memory banks. Discuss
    When he became leader his ratings were in the toilet then around the 2017 general election his ratings improved and were okay until the Salisbury poisonings.

    Labour in the polls shortly after the election.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/UK_opinion_polls_2017-2019.svg/3840px-UK_opinion_polls_2017-2019.svg.png
    Thanks. That is interesting, Badenoch is doing a Corbyn, who knew?
    I think she's got the same problem as Corbyn, the voters see her as insubstantial.

    Stuff that has damaged her recently is not so much backing intervening in Iran but her her reverse ferret denying she ever did.

    But under FPTP it is entirely possible she could finish third in polls and ends up as the largest party.
    Which, from a betting perspective, is the possibility I'll be looking for
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?

    Is there a good time for rats to be spreading a new virus?
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Ventnor. lol
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,904
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    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    I don't see it, but people were swept up in Zak mania to the point everyone knew for months he was going to easily win the party leadership. He must have something.

    Of course, people don't like to say opponents have charisma, and fiercely reject the idea, see both Boris and Corbyn.

    And don't get started on Trump!
    Maybe the hypnotism thing is genuine and we're all just immune by virtue of age ?
    Pretty sure many PBers are enlarging their moobs without any hypnotism whatsoever.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?

    Is there a good time for rats to be spreading a new virus?
    1346 to 1353.

    Did wonders for the wages of the poor in this country.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,816
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer is prime minister, Boris was prime minister. Farage is not

    There. Fixed that for you. Next
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli bought Mrs Starmer's pants. And even an absurdly right wing Starmer voter such as yourself must see a difference between Alli's "gift" and a personal bung/donation/ gift (delete as appropriate) of 5 million quid.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671

    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?

    Is it new ?
    Hantaviruses have been around a long time.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus_hemorrhagic_fever_with_renal_syndrome
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,353


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar
    ·
    26m
    Marco Rubio explains that the Trump administration's goal now is merely to reopen the Strait of Hormuz -- the prevailing state of affairs before Trump launched his pointless war

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2051744047291576717

    Rubio's project is Cuba so if it is true he has replaced Vance in the President's affections...
  • isamisam Posts: 44,230

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    Only Kemi is pure it seems
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    Er, I'm not discussing reality NOW. What you say is clearly true. I am making a prediction. That thing we do on PB, about the future

    Your recent comments have been so bizarrely stupid I fear for your pre-frontal cortex. Has something happened? What year is it? What is your name? Do you rate Ed Davey?
    "anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months"

    For a sufficiently large definition of months.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241
    carnforth said:

    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.

    Private Eye on that topic:

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1658/hp-sauce
    Did Vanilla remove archive.org from this link, or did a mod? Or did I paste it wrong? It doesn't work, anyway.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Ventnor. lol
    Yes, it's remarkable that despite living in a much more youthful, vibrant place than I do, your understanding is so limited. You stand a decent chance of having a Green Party councillor in a couple of days' time; I don't. Talk to the people around you.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241
    edited May 5
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.

    Private Eye on that topic:

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1658/hp-sauce
    Did Vanilla remove archive.org from this link, or did a mod? Or did I paste it wrong? It doesn't work, anyway.
    Test:

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1658/hp-sauce
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    I don't see it, but people were swept up in Zak mania to the point everyone knew for months he was going to easily win the party leadership. He must have something.

    Of course, people don't like to say opponents have charisma, and fiercely reject the idea, see both Boris and Corbyn.

    And don't get started on Trump!
    Maybe the hypnotism thing is genuine and we're all just immune by virtue of age ?
    It worked on Leon, and ever since he's been a big tit.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.

    Private Eye on that topic:

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1658/hp-sauce
    Did Vanilla remove archive.org from this link, or did a mod? Or did I paste it wrong? It doesn't work, anyway.
    Vanilla does.

    Those sort of sites bypass paywalls and the publishers don't like it when people deny them income.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Leon said:

    Cicero said:


    Tatiana Stanovaya
    @Stanovaya

    Something Is Shifting Inside Russia

    Recent developments inside Russia suggest the system is struggling to cope with mounting pressures. These include growing domestic strains, behind-the-scenes manoeuvring among elites, rumours of a coup d’état, a tighter and more reactive grip on control, fears of losing that control, and increasing exposure to Ukrainian strikes and assassinations. All this is unfolding against a worsening external backdrop: a destabilised Middle East and stalemate over Iran, a distracted Trump, and a more militarised (including nuclear-oriented) Europe.

    For the first time in years of war, there may be a shift.

    https://x.com/Stanovaya/status/2051694196826743121

    FWIW this is beginning to feel like the beginning of the end game.
    I have a similar vibe

    You and I agree on almost nothing, but we can agree on this: ins'allah Putin is nearing his end. His actual toppling or demise may be too much to ask, but I do sense a weakening in Russia's position. 1m+ Russians dead and injured, FFS, it is insane - and like WW1 it cannot go on, so it won't
    It's not impossible but the problem is that too many are happy to pop the champagne corks as soon as Russia has some bad news.
    What we have seen in the last 5 months is almost no progress on the ground for Russia, ever more damage in Russia itself from Ukrainian drones, continuing high rates of Russian casualties (mainly drones again) and more signs of economic stress in Russia. Even worse, Ukraine has moved to a position where it can no longer be bullied by Putin's agent in the White House. Ukraine has simply ignored the recent US proposals to compromise on territory.

    It is probably going too far to say Ukraine is now winning but they are no longer losing. And I suspect they are better positioned to cope with a stalemate than Russia is.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241
    Pulpstar said:

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
    Max sentence is 5 years, and they've already done 2 on remand. So they'll be out in six months anyway?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    A very mild mannered Lib Dem warned me about Zack Polanski last year with the sort of language that gets you chucked out of the Commons and banned from PB.

    The polite version is that he's a chancer who only joined the Greens because the Lib Dems didn't select him to be their candidate in the Richmond Park by-election.

    Private Eye on that topic:

    https://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1658/hp-sauce
    Did Vanilla remove archive.org from this link, or did a mod? Or did I paste it wrong? It doesn't work, anyway.
    Vanilla does.

    Those sort of sites bypass paywalls and the publishers don't like it when people deny them income.
    I understand archive.is / archive.ph but archive.org is a rather important part of internet infrastructure.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588
    Pulpstar said:

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
    From the clip, which isn't nice to watch and hearing the female officer scream, he sounded like he was "on" something.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?

    Is there a good time for rats to be spreading a new virus?
    1346 to 1353.

    Did wonders for the wages of the poor in this country.
    Well, apart from the 10-20% that were dead.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588
    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
    Max sentence is 5 years, and they've already done 2 on remand. So they'll be out in six months anyway?
    And for how many years after that will that poor female police officer have to deal with the consequences of her spinal injury?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
    That's a good question.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Ventnor. lol
    Yes, it's remarkable that despite living in a much more youthful, vibrant place than I do, your understanding is so limited. You stand a decent chance of having a Green Party councillor in a couple of days' time; I don't. Talk to the people around you.
    We still haven't got an answer though as to why younger people find him charismatic other than f-cking social media bilge.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    DavidL said:

    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?

    Is there a good time for rats to be spreading a new virus?
    1346 to 1353.

    Did wonders for the wages of the poor in this country.
    Well, apart from the 10-20% that were dead.
    A minor inconvenience for the greater good.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
    Max sentence is 5 years, and they've already done 2 on remand. So they'll be out in six months anyway?
    And for how many years after that will that poor female police officer have to deal with the consequences of her spinal injury?
    I'd like to know when and who dropped the with intent bit, did it go to the jury ?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,430
    edited May 5
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    Agree. None. Even the small gap in the front teeth aren't in the Badenoch class. And among the 650 MPs, not a trace of a scintilla of charisma. The whole thing went wrong when, at the age of three, Kate Forbes decided to believe in Scottish independence and so joined the wrong party and became an MP of a ludicrous Potemkin parliament when she should have been the next Mrs T with a Tory majority of 400, with the additional merit of making parliament a good deal easier on the eye. Selwyn should have done better with her.

    She lost the SNP leadership contest to the slightly cricetinous Yousef, and very soon no-one on the planet will be able to remember his name.

    But as old Omar says:

    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
    Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
    Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
    I doubt if he will

    I grew up in Herefordshire. I can see why people there voted Green - the shameful state of the River Wye is the clincher. It is disgusting, and it was enabled by the Tories and Big Agriculture, with their enormous chicken farms throwing literal shit into the rivers

    But these people will be horrified by the anti-Semitism and the flirtations with Islamism. The coalition cannot hold. If the Greens continue down the Polanski route, they will lose their rural votes
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Ventnor. lol
    Yes, it's remarkable that despite living in a much more youthful, vibrant place than I do, your understanding is so limited. You stand a decent chance of having a Green Party councillor in a couple of days' time; I don't. Talk to the people around you.
    We still haven't got an answer though as to why younger people find him charismatic other than f-cking social media bilge.

    I did a thread on it.

    He talks about their issues such as being renters and not homeowners.

    As somebody who knows quite a few Green voters this polling doesn’t surprise me.

    They are generation that have been screwed over by the impact of the Great Financial Crisis, Brexit (which limited their ability to travel and work), the pandemic, the cost of living crisis, student debt, and the inability to get onto the property ladder.

    The status quo doesn’t work for them (as it doesn’t for Reform voters) and they want radical change and that’s why Zack Polanski’s Greens are doing well despite Green economic policy would be ultimately ruinous, a Green version of the Liz Truss weeeks.

    I find it amusing that Zack Polanski and Liz Truss are both former Lib Dems.


    https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/03/24/the-nihilism-of-the-greens-and-reform-voters/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,784
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    scampi25 said:

    isam said:

    Kemi leading the way with Opinium

    For Kemi Badenoch, the picture is much stronger:

    🔵Leads on 13 of 15 attributes
    🔵Positive scores on principled (+2), decisive (+2) and competent (+2)
    🔵 Weakest on looking like a PM (-17), though still ahead of rivals



    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/2051653717686972420?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So how many net gains do you expect Kemi's Tories to make on Thursday in the locals based on this polling?
    It's not a fair comparison because you're measuring her against the greatest Tory election winner this century in Boris Johnson.
    Err when these elections were fought in 2022 the Tories made a net loss of nearly 500 seats.

    She should be making net gains,.
    The brand is the issue, not the leader and she has gained support across the party and increasingly with the public

    There are 3 years for her to recover the brand, and in that time Farage and Polanski have a mountain to climb to maintain their own support

    Thursday will be judgement day on Starmer not Kemi Badenoch
    You keep spinning that.
    Kemi seems to trigger you for some reason, but the polling is consistent as is the trend for her which is the first requirement for her to lead a brand recovery
    I see you’re playing the man and not the ball.
    Maybe because you seem almost obsessively negative about her.
    She’s got a great deal to be negative about.
    The trend is her friend.

    image
    Needs more time. Will the party collapse in panic when Reform easily eclipses them on Thursday, or hold on for the long haul?
    Her polling is fascinating, nonetheless

    I am trying to think of a similar example. A LOTO whose polling began poorly then declined, but then picked up month after month untilhe/she was top of the pops?

    I am sure it has happened, but when and who? Cameron?
    Heath?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer is prime minister, Boris was prime minister. Farage is not

    There. Fixed that for you. Next
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli bought Mrs Starmer's pants. And even an absurdly right wing Starmer voter such as yourself must see a difference between Alli's "gift" and a personal bung/donation/ gift (delete as appropriate) of 5 million quid.
    I am sure its just me but I think I would be even more concerned if some rich guy was buying my wife underwear. One gets to watch the Arsenal and the other the ars....never mind.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    This is that ‘stats for Lefties’ bloke showing his true colours that a few here love to quote.

    https://x.com/treesey/status/2051666193992335696?s=61

    Oi! I frequently quote them. This is because - as I said at the time - they produce good graphics quickly, like the below. And the minute LukeTryl or YouGov produce choropleths I will do the same.
    https://xcancel.com/LeftieStats/status/2051335515194982439#m
    As for their personal account, knock yourself out. The bio is a bit - how can I put this - expansive.
    I don't see how the LDs get to 12.

    I can see how they go from 4 constituency seats to 6. And I can see how they pick up a couple of list seats. But 6 list seats? That's a real stretch.
    Especially with Reform coming from no list seats to at least a dozen. All of the mainstream parties, including the Lib Dems, are likely to be adversely affected by that.
    Well, the LDs benefit from coming from -what- a single list seat. So, there's not a lot of opportunity to drop.

    They're also polling a bit better than 2021: then they polled 6.9%, now they look likely to get to double digits.

    But to get six list seats means they'd need to win in all but two of the regions, and they're likely to be nowhere in Glasgow, Central Scotland and West Scotland.

    So I think a couple of list seats is certainly possible - Highland & Islands, Mid Scotland & Fife, and Lothian are all decent shouts. And on a really good day, they might win in North East Scotland. But more realistically, it'll be five constituencies, and then two list seats.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,816
    edited May 5
    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
    What is wrong with you people? Defending someone who expects to be Prime Minister and who has accepted £5m from a crypto billionaire.

    Easy solution. If Farage gives it back we know he isn't corrupt at all.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,784

    ...Isn't it about time we acknowledged what a phenomenon George Galloway has been?

    I will cheerfully grant you that he is a phenomenon. In fact, a phenomenal [not that word - Ed]

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809

    ..

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    I don't see it, but people were swept up in Zak mania to the point everyone knew for months he was going to easily win the party leadership. He must have something.

    Of course, people don't like to say opponents have charisma, and fiercely reject the idea, see both Boris and Corbyn.

    And don't get started on Trump!
    Maybe the hypnotism thing is genuine and we're all just immune by virtue of age ?
    Pretty sure many PBers are enlarging their moobs without any hypnotism whatsoever.
    First thing to come with putting on weight, last thing to go.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    Pulpstar said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
    Max sentence is 5 years, and they've already done 2 on remand. So they'll be out in six months anyway?
    And for how many years after that will that poor female police officer have to deal with the consequences of her spinal injury?
    I'd like to know when and who dropped the with intent bit, did it go to the jury ?
    Based on the word cleared, I am going to say it was the jury.

    This is the article from April.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70dv0ln4g4o
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Ventnor. lol
    Yes, it's remarkable that despite living in a much more youthful, vibrant place than I do, your understanding is so limited. You stand a decent chance of having a Green Party councillor in a couple of days' time; I don't. Talk to the people around you.
    We still haven't got an answer though as to why younger people find him charismatic other than f-cking social media bilge.

    He says what they want to hear (that their lives can be made better and someone bad who deserves it will pay), and he says it convincingly. Though if you tell people what they want to hear anyway, it's much easier to be convincing. Hence the whole hypnoboobs thing.

    As for the "it may work in Hackney, but it won't work in Herefordshire" question- it's a fair point. My guess is that, because he's more than a bit of an idiot, he doesn't care. After all, everyone else is demanding a political party that superserves them and screws everyone else... why shouldn't woke urbanites do the same?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    This is that ‘stats for Lefties’ bloke showing his true colours that a few here love to quote.

    https://x.com/treesey/status/2051666193992335696?s=61

    Oi! I frequently quote them. This is because - as I said at the time - they produce good graphics quickly, like the below. And the minute LukeTryl or YouGov produce choropleths I will do the same.
    https://xcancel.com/LeftieStats/status/2051335515194982439#m
    As for their personal account, knock yourself out. The bio is a bit - how can I put this - expansive.
    I don't see how the LDs get to 12.

    I can see how they go from 4 constituency seats to 6. And I can see how they pick up a couple of list seats. But 6 list seats? That's a real stretch.
    Especially with Reform coming from no list seats to at least a dozen. All of the mainstream parties, including the Lib Dems, are likely to be adversely affected by that.
    Well, the LDs benefit from coming from -what- a single list seat. So, there's not a lot of opportunity to drop.

    They're also polling a bit better than 2021: then they polled 6.9%, now they look likely to get to double digits.

    But to get six list seats means they'd need to win in all but two of the regions, and they're likely to be nowhere in Glasgow, Central Scotland and West Scotland.

    So I think a couple of list seats is certainly possible - Highland & Islands, Mid Scotland & Fife, and Lothian are all decent shouts. And on a really good day, they might win in North East Scotland. But more realistically, it'll be five constituencies, and then two list seats.
    I'd agree with that and, as I pointed out earlier today, the perversity of the Scottish system is that if they pick up another constituency in the Highlands, for example, they can forget getting a list seat there.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Ventnor. lol
    Yes, it's remarkable that despite living in a much more youthful, vibrant place than I do, your understanding is so limited. You stand a decent chance of having a Green Party councillor in a couple of days' time; I don't. Talk to the people around you.
    We still haven't got an answer though as to why younger people find him charismatic other than f-cking social media bilge.

    The rise in younger voters' support for the Green Party is one of the most dramatic demographic electoral swings of recent years. It's because his pitch aligns with their left-leaning cultural values, economic frustrations, and desire for a political alternative beyond Labour. He also conveys a sense of political freshness and authenticity that Labour, mired in the compromises of governing, simply cannot match. His policy stances resonate with younger voters - climate action that feels urgent rather than incremental, economic policies aimed at a generation that feels locked out, together with strong cultural-progressive positions that are fundamental to political identity, especially among younger women, and delivered in an appealing anti-establishment, anti-cynicism tone. Green Party membership among younger voters has surged massively, creating a party that feels like it 'belongs' to the young; for many of them, support for it could well become a signal of generational identity, which is why it's such bad news for Labour in the cities where younger private sector tenants have either not voted or backed Labour.
    AIUI machine generated prose gets the Vanilla auto-mods agitated
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588
    Pulpstar said:

    carnforth said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I hope these pillocks have the book thrown at them, particularly the toilet breath who fractured a police woman's spine with a sledgehammer. Bastard.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p99rxr5po

    Astonishing the jury didn't find the charge of GBH with intent for Corner.

    If swinging a sledgehammer into someone's back isn't an intention to cause serious harm I really don't know what is, it is not the same as thumping someone in a pub brawl
    Max sentence is 5 years, and they've already done 2 on remand. So they'll be out in six months anyway?
    And for how many years after that will that poor female police officer have to deal with the consequences of her spinal injury?
    I'd like to know when and who dropped the with intent bit, did it go to the jury ?
    I think so.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,816
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer is prime minister, Boris was prime minister. Farage is not

    There. Fixed that for you. Next
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli bought Mrs Starmer's pants. And even an absurdly right wing Starmer voter such as yourself must see a difference between Alli's "gift" and a personal bung/donation/ gift (delete as appropriate) of 5 million quid.
    I am sure its just me but I think I would be even more concerned if some rich guy was buying my wife underwear. One gets to watch the Arsenal and the other the ars....never mind.
    On that basis that there is no such thing as a free lunch, what does one expect for donating £5m?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    scampi25 said:

    isam said:

    Kemi leading the way with Opinium

    For Kemi Badenoch, the picture is much stronger:

    🔵Leads on 13 of 15 attributes
    🔵Positive scores on principled (+2), decisive (+2) and competent (+2)
    🔵 Weakest on looking like a PM (-17), though still ahead of rivals



    https://x.com/opiniumresearch/status/2051653717686972420?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    So how many net gains do you expect Kemi's Tories to make on Thursday in the locals based on this polling?
    It's not a fair comparison because you're measuring her against the greatest Tory election winner this century in Boris Johnson.
    Err when these elections were fought in 2022 the Tories made a net loss of nearly 500 seats.

    She should be making net gains,.
    The brand is the issue, not the leader and she has gained support across the party and increasingly with the public

    There are 3 years for her to recover the brand, and in that time Farage and Polanski have a mountain to climb to maintain their own support

    Thursday will be judgement day on Starmer not Kemi Badenoch
    You keep spinning that.
    Kemi seems to trigger you for some reason, but the polling is consistent as is the trend for her which is the first requirement for her to lead a brand recovery
    I see you’re playing the man and not the ball.
    Maybe because you seem almost obsessively negative about her.
    She’s got a great deal to be negative about.
    The trend is her friend.

    image
    Needs more time. Will the party collapse in panic when Reform easily eclipses them on Thursday, or hold on for the long haul?
    Her polling is fascinating, nonetheless

    I am trying to think of a similar example. A LOTO whose polling began poorly then declined, but then picked up month after month untilhe/she was top of the pops?

    I am sure it has happened, but when and who? Cameron?
    Heath?
    Not sure he's standing this time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
    What is wrong with you people? Defending someone who expects to be Prime Minister and who has accepted £5m from a crypto billionaire.

    Easy solution. If Farage gives it back we know he isn't corrupt at all.

    Last I saw he was claiming it is to pay for a lifetime of personal security.

    So - at the very least - if he becomes PM he should send the donation back as the tax payer will then be paying for a lifetime security package.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241

    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
    What is wrong with you people? Defending someone who expects to be Prime Minister and who has accepted £5m from a crypto billionaire.

    Easy solution. If Farage gives it back we know he isn't corrupt at all.

    Pointing out that your comparison was flawed is not "defending" shit.

    Learn the difference between a conversation where a situation is analysed and a conversation where political opinions are exchanged.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,588

    ..

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    I don't see it, but people were swept up in Zak mania to the point everyone knew for months he was going to easily win the party leadership. He must have something.

    Of course, people don't like to say opponents have charisma, and fiercely reject the idea, see both Boris and Corbyn.

    And don't get started on Trump!
    Maybe the hypnotism thing is genuine and we're all just immune by virtue of age ?
    Pretty sure many PBers are enlarging their moobs without any hypnotism whatsoever.
    This is a sensitive subject for me.

    I still identify as a man.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    Commentator lauding Arsenal's defensive record, which is increasingly an utter mystery.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    Dopermean said:

    Commentator lauding Arsenal's defensive record, which is increasingly an utter mystery.

    Both these teams play haramball.

    Whoever gets through I hope they get spanked by PSG or Bayern München in the final.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    Dopermean said:

    Commentator lauding Arsenal's defensive record, which is increasingly an utter mystery.

    As I said the other day Arsenal are simply a different team when Saka is playing.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
    That's a good question.
    Look around Europe, and most of the Green parties have tended towards younger, urban, support and struggled in more rural areas, even where they were previously strong there - for example Austria's Greens lost support in Alpine areas when they shifted towards urban progressive values. Similarly in Sweden, the Miljo party's base is now urban and young, and Finland's Greens threaten in Helsinki with almost no traction in rural Finland. Ditto the Netherlands. Most European Greens have chosen to go down the urban-progressive path - so Polanski is swimming with the tide. Perhaps this is the better choice, especially under FPTP as their younger target voters are focused in a smaller number of city seats, often where Labour's organisation is actually moribund, whereas rural NIMBY's are widely spread and don't offer that many prospective target seats?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
    I doubt if he will

    I grew up in Herefordshire. I can see why people there voted Green - the shameful state of the River Wye is the clincher. It is disgusting, and it was enabled by the Tories and Big Agriculture, with their enormous chicken farms throwing literal shit into the rivers

    But these people will be horrified by the anti-Semitism and the flirtations with Islamism. The coalition cannot hold. If the Greens continue down the Polanski route, they will lose their rural votes
    They can go back to voting LibDem
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671




    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
    What is wrong with you people? Defending someone who expects to be Prime Minister and who has accepted £5m from a crypto billionaire.

    Easy solution. If Farage gives it back we know he isn't corrupt at all.

    Last I saw he was claiming it is to pay for a lifetime of personal security.

    So - at the very least - if he becomes PM he should send the donation back as the tax payer will then be paying for a lifetime security package.
    "Personal financial security" ?

    Aka a bung.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,159
    Also 20 council by-elections for 22 seats with a lot of Lib Dem defences, this week

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2051752957952086046?s=61

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    edited May 5
    Mr Tice. The Yorkshire Post is far more trusted than you are. Not least because it has told the truth since 1754. Please don’t pull the Trump card on us. It’s pathetic. It’s pointless. It’s weak. My team is giving you a fair audience with DSA. You should do better with this one.
    https://x.com/JayMitchinson/status/2051728654623772756

    It's commendably optimistic to ask Tice to do better.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
    That's a good question.
    Look around Europe, and most of the Green parties have tended towards younger, urban, support and struggled in more rural areas, even where they were previously strong there - for example Austria's Greens lost support in Alpine areas when they shifted towards urban progressive values. Similarly in Sweden, the Miljo party's base is now urban and young, and Finland's Greens threaten in Helsinki with almost no traction in rural Finland. Ditto the Netherlands. Most European Greens have chosen to go down the urban-progressive path - so Polanski is swimming with the tide. Perhaps this is the better choice, especially under FPTP as their younger target voters are focused in a smaller number of city seats, often where Labour's organisation is actually moribund, whereas rural NIMBY's are widely spread and don't offer that many prospective target seats?
    PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR ROBOT
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    DavidL said:

    Dopermean said:

    Commentator lauding Arsenal's defensive record, which is increasingly an utter mystery.

    As I said the other day Arsenal are simply a different team when Saka is playing.
    At least they're pressing again, rather than sitting back. They need to put this to bed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Dopermean said:

    Commentator lauding Arsenal's defensive record, which is increasingly an utter mystery.

    Both these teams play haramball.

    Whoever gets through I hope they get spanked by PSG or Bayern München in the final.
    The first leg between those 2 would have been a final for the ages.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 22,100
    Taz said:



    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?

    As a rural voter (Oxfordshire village) aged 76, I'm attracted to the Greens because I want a leftish option that isn't purely appealing to me on negative tactical grounds (vote Labour because Reform might win) and isn't clearly without any chance (sorry, Corbyn). I'm mildly in favour of more environmental policy but the switch to a broader agenda is much more appealing. The fact that I live in a rural area doesn't mean I only vote about pollution and farms, and lots of people who happen to live outside the cities defy classification in the same way (just as you'll find Tories in cities). I'm Jewish but see the anti-semitic stuff as mainly the media having a go; the Israeli government is so extreme that I don't feel any sympathy for them.

    Yes, clearly the party needs to sort out its vagaries and set clearer boundaries to what can be said without feeding the Mail and Express, but we're electing councillors this week, not the Government. A good Green showing will be a good thing.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,878
    Ludicrous to think that Burnham is favourite to be next PM when he is not even an MP, the NEC has no intention of approving his standing as an MP and Starmer clearly has no intention of sending him to the Lords either
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,580
    DavidL said:

    Dopermean said:

    Commentator lauding Arsenal's defensive record, which is increasingly an utter mystery.

    Both these teams play haramball.

    Whoever gets through I hope they get spanked by PSG or Bayern München in the final.
    The first leg between those 2 would have been a final for the ages.
    It broke my heart.

    Whoever at Liverpool decided to let Luis Diaz go and keep Cody Gakpo needs to be sacked.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,380
    Starmer planning another reset and big speech on radical policy after locals meltdown apparently.

    Ohhh. Who can contain their excitement?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,434
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Like I said earlier. Polanski is a walking catastrophe, so is his deputy, and anti-Zio Zack will be gone within months

    Maybe less

    Back in the real world, the Greens are running second only behind Reform in national opinion polls, and the party is about to have its best ever local election results.

    I don't like Zack. I don't like the Greens.

    But when reality intrudes, one is forced to accept it.
    quite amusing watching the righties getting all upset their attacks on Polanski going nowhere. annoying isn't it?
    Polanski has been leader for 8 months, or 5 Trusses or 22 Scaramuccis. There is plenty of time for Polanski to hit difficulties. Personal probity issues, his belief in MMT and fiscal unrealism, his cabal like leftist style and his dislike of being interviewed by Trevor Phillips all suggest stuff to come, which won't include general election winning.
    I keep reading that Polanski has "charisma". Can you, or anyone, point me to a single example? Because, darn my pants, I cannot see any

    And I am entirely open to charisma in politicians I despise. Corbyn had a weird old-man-in-a-vest Magic Grandpa charisma. It was wholly malign, but he had it. Boris, Salmond, Blair, to name but three very different British politicians of the last 40 years, also had charisma. Farage has a low watt old style "Tory cad" charisma

    Starmer, Davey, Swinney do NOT have charisma. The jury is out on Badenoch, she may be developing late onset charisma

    Polanski?? He looks like a Romanian Nazi hamster. He cannot orate, he is clearly thick as organic pig shit. Where is this charisma?
    He's not your type, hun.

    (JCorbz was your generation, KemiB is trying to appeal to your generation, Zak clearly couldn't give a flying one about your generation.)
    MOREOVER - *clears throat* - this argument doesn't work because I can see the very obvious charisma of Mamdani in NYC, who is a decade younger than Polanski. Mamdani is handsome, articulate, quick and smart. I utterly despise his politics and I think he is potentially a disaster for New York City, but, yes, he has a star quality

    Polanski? He is none of those things. He is a twat
    You're simply revealing your inability to empathise with younger folk. It's more the agenda and the bold confidence of its advocacy than the personaility of the man.
    Polanski may ‘inspire’ da yoof but what about the other side of the Green coalition. The middle class in the shires, the North Herefordshire/Waveney side of the Greens.

    How does he keep them satisfied and on board ?
    That's a good question.
    Look around Europe, and most of the Green parties have tended towards younger, urban, support and struggled in more rural areas, even where they were previously strong there - for example Austria's Greens lost support in Alpine areas when they shifted towards urban progressive values. Similarly in Sweden, the Miljo party's base is now urban and young, and Finland's Greens threaten in Helsinki with almost no traction in rural Finland. Ditto the Netherlands. Most European Greens have chosen to go down the urban-progressive path - so Polanski is swimming with the tide. Perhaps this is the better choice, especially under FPTP as their younger target voters are focused in a smaller number of city seats, often where Labour's organisation is actually moribund, whereas rural NIMBY's are widely spread and don't offer that many prospective target seats?
    PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR ROBOT
    Go and sober up somewhere. You've lost the ability to engage in any sort of mature discussion and are simply hurling abuse from your corner chair, like some demented Father Jack.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,398
    HYUFD said:

    Ludicrous to think that Burnham is favourite to be next PM when he is not even an MP, the NEC has no intention of approving his standing as an MP and Starmer clearly has no intention of sending him to the Lords either

    For shitz n gigglez, Kemi could propose him for the Lords...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    Nigelb said:




    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
    What is wrong with you people? Defending someone who expects to be Prime Minister and who has accepted £5m from a crypto billionaire.

    Easy solution. If Farage gives it back we know he isn't corrupt at all.

    Last I saw he was claiming it is to pay for a lifetime of personal security.

    So - at the very least - if he becomes PM he should send the donation back as the tax payer will then be paying for a lifetime security package.
    "Personal financial security" ?

    Aka a bung.
    The taxpayer is already paying for his security now he's an MP.
    Off topic does the evening standard know how unreadable its website is?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,056
    edited May 5
    Nigelb said:




    carnforth said:

    isam said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cicero said:

    Zack Polanski falsely claimed to be British Red Cross spokesman

    The Green Party leader was also not a full member of the National Council of Hypnotherapy despite claiming to be to potential clients


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-british-red-cross-spokesman-zlc27s80l

    That's beginning to smell like a bit more than just a press hatchet job, but a pattern of unserious behaviour. I appreciate that the press ARE indeed out to get him, but as the Golders Green comments demonstrate pretty clearly, there is also a lot less to him than meets the eye.
    Under scrutiny Polanski is left wanting. I am sure the same will be true of Farage, but will he ever be put under the microscope?
    Farage is under constant scrutiny. Just this year we have had microscopic detail about every ghastly deed he did as a schoolboy. Just this week we have had the £5 million gift/donation malarkey. Despite consistent support from bits of the media I only hear about via PB, only about a quarter of the public approve of him. Which is a quarter too many.

    As to microscopic critical analysis, try: Ch4, Guardian, Economist, New Statesman, Mirror, FT, ITV, the Scottish media, Michael Crick, Times Radio, LBC (ever heard James O'Brien on the subject? Or Andrew Marr?)

    The £12m to Reform and the £5m to Farage hasn't had anything like the media coverage Mrs Starmer's underwear and Starmer's spectacles received. The Guardian raised it and virtually no one, certainly not the BBC, has run with it. Johnson's wallpaper received more coverage (pardon the pun).
    Starmer and Boris being Prime Minister whilst receiving their gifts might have something to do with it I suppose.
    Starmer wasn't Prime Minister when Alli provided the spectacles.

    A few thousand pounds of spectacles, or £52,000 worth of wallpaper seems considerably more trivial (although worthy of investigation) than a personal £5m gift and a £13m donation to Reform from a crypto billionaire. I suppose the proof will be whether Prime Minister Farage deregulates crypto markets. Although it will be too late by then.
    But Starmer was an MP. Farage was not a public official.
    What is wrong with you people? Defending someone who expects to be Prime Minister and who has accepted £5m from a crypto billionaire.

    Easy solution. If Farage gives it back we know he isn't corrupt at all.

    Last I saw he was claiming it is to pay for a lifetime of personal security.

    So - at the very least - if he becomes PM he should send the donation back as the tax payer will then be paying for a lifetime security package.
    "Personal financial security" ?

    Aka a bung.
    Just paying for a group of muscly young men to.. 'hang about' within easy eyesight range. It's fine. Might have to watch them work out, maybe even wrestle. Five million quid is cheap, if you compare it to the worn out VHS's you could get through otherwise.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,671
    That was yesterday.

    Who's to say it's not four now ?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    Nigelb said:

    That was yesterday.

    Who's to say it's not four now ?
    We're at the stage we have 3-4 admirals a ship. It's just ludicrous.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,848
    Britannia rules (a very small number of) the waves.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,225
    In further misogyny news.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/may/05/northern-ireland-police-handling-of-katie-simpson-case-reflected-institutional-misogyny

    Does anyone have any evidence that there have been improvements over the hat couple of decades in the way that the police treat these sorts of crimes? Maybe the good news of prior progress is being buried by the awful stories of continued failure.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    edited May 5

    Britannia rules (a very small number of) the waves.
    On The Serpentine....

    Or if you watch this weeks Tom Scott's England, Peasholm Park.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896

    Britannia rules (a very small number of) the waves.
    I am really not sure I would fancy our chances against the Disney corporation.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,241
    DavidL said:

    Britannia rules (a very small number of) the waves.
    I am really not sure I would fancy our chances against the Disney corporation.
    If Cunard has torpedoes....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    US Secretary of State Marco Rubio says offensive stage of Iran war is 'over
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,464
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    That was yesterday.

    Who's to say it's not four now ?
    We're at the stage we have 3-4 admirals a ship. It's just ludicrous.
    Ukraine is winning a naval war without any ships. Iran isn't doing too badly either.

    Let that be our inspiration.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,591

    US Secretary of State Marco Rubio says offensive stage of Iran war is 'over

    Has Hegseth been sacked?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,139

    US Secretary of State Marco Rubio says offensive stage of Iran war is 'over

    They are onto the defensive stage?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,959
    I reckon Athletio Madrid would be some team in the Premiership...the Gallagher Premiership that is.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,896
    Arsenal through to the final. Memories of George Graham days, 1-0 the Arsenal.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,198

    I see rats are now spreading a new virus.

    I mean. FFS.

    Not fucking now - ok?

    Is there a good time for rats to be spreading a new virus?
    1346 to 1353.

    Did wonders for the wages of the poor in this country.
    Eventually. The well off types did their best to keep things in check and it took a massive revolt of revolting peasants to get real change.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,789

    Britannia rules (a very small number of) the waves.
    Rule Shitannia?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    carnforth said:

    DavidL said:

    Britannia rules (a very small number of) the waves.
    I am really not sure I would fancy our chances against the Disney corporation.
    If Cunard has torpedoes....
    No Navy wants to be taking on a Cruise Line with their biological warfare capabilities.
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