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No leads Yes by 33% in new independence poll – politicalbetting.com

Although Welsh people tend to expect a Plaid Cymru government to focus on independence, just 22% of Welsh people say they would vote "Yes" in an independence referendumYes: 22% (no change from 12-19 March)No: 55% (+1)yougov.com/en-gb/articl…

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  • TazTaz Posts: 28,251
    First
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,616
    edited April 30
    Yes.
    First.

    Edit. No. Second.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,251
    dixiedean said:

    Yes.
    First.

    Really !!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,614
    I am really proud that I do not use clickbait headlines and that I only use factual headlines.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,227
    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143

    I am really proud that I do not use clickbait headlines and that I only use factual headlines.

    Have you got a Starmergeddon header prepped up for the 7th yet ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,144
    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Yes.
    First.

    Really !!
    One for Taz. I thought you might like the accent (I do!). One of Trumps chief advisors and an interesting woman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIiEUE-Q8O8
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441
    FPT:

    "Falkenhayn's strategy did by and large work. It allowed the Germans to concentrate on the Eastern Front and eliminate Russia from WW1 in 1917.

    It was only the very belated entry of the USA into the war (an unreliable ally then, as now), prompted mainly by a failed German gamble on unrestricted U boat warfare, which subsequently turned the tables when their numbers started to count from mid 1918."

    The Americans were brought in to WW1 by Admiral "Blinker" Hall. I used to have his dress medals:



    He was a bit of an arse by all accounts. He ended his days as a Conservative MP.

    In Liverpool. How times change...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,614
    Pulpstar said:

    I am really proud that I do not use clickbait headlines and that I only use factual headlines.

    Have you got a Starmergeddon header prepped up for the 7th yet ?
    Actually have that headline ready over the next few days
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,831
    Too high.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143
    edited April 30

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    Deeper entanglement, Wales was once part of the Kingdom of England; it's laws are also English as is the cricket team... also yes economically Cardiff/Bristol and NE Wales/NW England are the links not so much to each other. Plenty of Wales is very pretty but it doesn't have an economic central belt like Scotland miles from England.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,929

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    part of it will be that North Wales thinks it has more in common with Cheshire / Liverpool than south Wales. Likewise South Wales has more in common with Gloucestershire / Avon than North Wales.

    Getting from North to South Wales is a nightmare unless along either edge (coast or the English Wales border).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,577

    FPT:

    "Falkenhayn's strategy did by and large work. It allowed the Germans to concentrate on the Eastern Front and eliminate Russia from WW1 in 1917.

    It was only the very belated entry of the USA into the war (an unreliable ally then, as now), prompted mainly by a failed German gamble on unrestricted U boat warfare, which subsequently turned the tables when their numbers started to count from mid 1918."

    The Americans were brought in to WW1 by Admiral "Blinker" Hall. I used to have his dress medals:



    He was a bit of an arse by all accounts. He ended his days as a Conservative MP.

    In Liverpool. How times change...

    The Zimmerman telegram was about standing back s Imperial German shot at their own feet. With a machine gun.

    Some say that he recruited Canaris into British intelligence before the end of WWI

    Which has to be one of the great long term wins of intelligence, if true.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,927
    Taz said:

    Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National



    Tbf angry Jewish people on the media aren’t saying much different on the ‘something must be done’ scale. They do seem attached to the idea of banning marches which imho will do fuck all to eradicate antisemitism.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,251
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Yes.
    First.

    Really !!
    One for Taz. I thought you might like the accent (I do!). One of Trumps chief advisors and an interesting woman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIiEUE-Q8O8
    Thanks Roger, and yes I like the accent.

    MattW has linked her before.

    She’s very smart and remembers where she’s from too.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    Wales was conquered a long time ago - 1300s I think. Scotland created a Union with England voluntarily and part of the deal was that certain things would remain separate and different in Scotland - different legal system being the most obvious.

    But the most obvious differences are North Sea Oil and the Poll Tax.

    If oil and gas had been discovered in Cardigan Bay, rather than the North Sea, and Thatcher had chosen to introduce the poll tax as a pilot in Wales before the rest of Britain, then perhaps the relative levels of support for independence in Scotland and Wales would be reversed.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,453

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,453
    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,386
    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404

    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    🚨 NEW: The Golders Green terror suspect was previously referred to Prevent, the Government’s counter terrorism programme

    He came to the UK from Somalia as a child in the early 1990s and is now a British citizen

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2049805031726108769
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441
    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    In better days, most of those Greem seats would have gone LibDem - and a bunch of the Reform wins too.

    Do you expect the LibDems to win any new councils?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404
    Oh. I've just seen Vanilla push up a notification that says 'There was an error performing your request. Please try again' with a light bulb.

    I've never seen this before.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,386


    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    🚨 NEW: The Golders Green terror suspect was previously referred to Prevent, the Government’s counter terrorism programme

    He came to the UK from Somalia as a child in the early 1990s and is now a British citizen

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2049805031726108769

    It's not new. It was posted from the Mail on the last thread by some under-endowed insomniac or other.

    To be serious (and repetitive) he is not the first case who turns out to be known to the authorities, whether Prevent or MI5, and also violent and mentally ill.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,708

    Oh. I've just seen Vanilla push up a notification that says 'There was an error performing your request. Please try again' with a light bulb.

    I've never seen this before.

    Vanilla’s having a pretty bad week. Loads of web timeout and refresh errors.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,901


    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    🚨 NEW: The Golders Green terror suspect was previously referred to Prevent, the Government’s counter terrorism programme

    He came to the UK from Somalia as a child in the early 1990s and is now a British citizen

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2049805031726108769

    Prevent should be renamed something like the Terrorist Liaison Service.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404
    Bootle MP tells BBC he is not going anywhere and not giving his seat to the King of the North.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404


    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    🚨 NEW: The Golders Green terror suspect was previously referred to Prevent, the Government’s counter terrorism programme

    He came to the UK from Somalia as a child in the early 1990s and is now a British citizen

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2049805031726108769

    Prevent should be renamed something like the Terrorist Liaison Service.
    To be fair I expect they are swamped and it is all about trying to estimate levels of risk as they can't act on everything and everyone.

    But maybe there are some PBers who know about how they work?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404


    Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    🚨 NEW: The Golders Green terror suspect was previously referred to Prevent, the Government’s counter terrorism programme

    He came to the UK from Somalia as a child in the early 1990s and is now a British citizen

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2049805031726108769

    It's not new. It was posted from the Mail on the last thread by some under-endowed insomniac or other.

    To be serious (and repetitive) he is not the first case who turns out to be known to the authorities, whether Prevent or MI5, and also violent and mentally ill.
    Wont be the first and wont be the last sadly.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,453

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    In better days, most of those Greem seats would have gone LibDem - and a bunch of the Reform wins too.

    Do you expect the LibDems to win any new councils?
    In London the three they have look like comfortable holds (probably larger majorities), and there's a decent chance of control or at least largest party in Merton. There will be others where Labour is likely to lose control and the LibDems look to be well-placed, including Camden. Both halves of Surrey could go LibDem, and they look to do well in the rural Hampshire authorities, Somerset, Cambs, and some of the councils to the north of London. Brentwood ought to be on the list but I expect Reform will be more competitive there.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249
    edited April 30
    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Coming second in council seats won, while fifth in the national opinion polls, should properly be regarded as a good showing. It's going to be overshadowed by gains by Reform/Greens, Plaid in Wales, plus Labour's collapse everywhere, and maybe the relatively poor showing by the official opposition. So only sixth in the news pecking order.

    Do the expected Lib Dem gains point to any areas where they might hope to make progress at the next general election?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404
    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404
    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441

    Pulpstar said:

    I am really proud that I do not use clickbait headlines and that I only use factual headlines.

    Have you got a Starmergeddon header prepped up for the 7th yet ?
    Actually have that headline ready over the next few days
    Starmergeddinouttahere?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,226
    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Those numbers are even more frightening for Labour when it is considered that the elections are being conducted in pretty well all of the parts of the UK which up to 2024 would have been considered to be its relative strongholds i.e.London, Met Districts, Wales, Scotland (recovered in 2024 at parliamentary level), plus many of the urban unitaries and shire districts. The areas missing out are predominantly shire rural seats, where Labour has always been at its weakest.

    Starmer has to go. This summer.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,577

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    Though they then stopped. Which leads to an issue with lots and lots of French nuclear stations reaching end of life around the same time without replacements.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,614
    A reminder about France and their nuclear power plants.


  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,706

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Those numbers are even more frightening for Labour when it is considered that the elections are being conducted in pretty well all of the parts of the UK which up to 2024 would have been considered to be its relative strongholds i.e.London, Met Districts, Wales, Scotland (recovered in 2024 at parliamentary level), plus many of the urban unitaries and shire districts. The areas missing out are predominantly shire rural seats, where Labour has always been at its weakest.

    Starmer has to go. This summer.
    I will be disappointed if Greens get fewer seats than LDs

    Zack inspires Ed doesn't
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 649

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Coming second in council seats won, while fifth in the national opinion polls, should properly be regarded as a good showing. It's going to be overshadowed by gains by Reform/Greens, Plaid in Wales, plus Labour's collapse everywhere, and maybe the relatively poor showing by the official opposition. So only sixth in the news pecking order.

    Do the expected Lib Dem gains point to any areas where they might hope to make progress at the next general election?
    Mark Pack (former President of the Lib Dems) has set out six metrics by which to measure Lib Dem success next week.

    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176720/6-ways-to-judge-the-liberal-democrat-election-results-ldn209/

    I hadn't realised that if they make net gains (which seems highly likely) then they wil be on an eight year winning streak.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    In better days, most of those Greem seats would have gone LibDem - and a bunch of the Reform wins too.

    Do you expect the LibDems to win any new councils?
    In London the three they have look like comfortable holds (probably larger majorities), and there's a decent chance of control or at least largest party in Merton. There will be others where Labour is likely to lose control and the LibDems look to be well-placed, including Camden. Both halves of Surrey could go LibDem, and they look to do well in the rural Hampshire authorities, Somerset, Cambs, and some of the councils to the north of London. Brentwood ought to be on the list but I expect Reform will be more competitive there.
    Thanks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    He may have been right at the time but under Sturgeon, Yousless and Swinney the idea that there was an economic motive for independence has been dropped and forgotten about. All cultural and moral superiority over these dreadful English people these days.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,901
    viewcode said:

    I just walked by a road sign to a village called ST AGNANT

    An estate agent once tried to sell me a house in St Reatham.
    Staines. St Annes.
    The patron saint of the labour movement, St Armer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,441
    edited April 30
    I've been travelling around a fair bit this week. I have only seen one house with a political poster - and that was a rather lovely looking three story house that had 6 Green posters in its windows. (Might have been the candidate?)

    Did make me wonder whether monied socilaists are going Green now?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
  • eekeek Posts: 33,929

    I've been travelling around a fair bit this week. I have only seen one house with a political poster - and that was a rather lovely looking three story house that had 6 Green posters in its windows. (Might have been the candidate?)

    Did make me wornder whether monied socilaists are going Green now?

    That occurred in Darlington 2+ years ago
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    I've been travelling around a fair bit this week. I have only seen one house with a political poster - and that was a rather lovely looking three story house that had 6 Green posters in its windows. (Might have been the candidate?)

    Did make me wornder whether monied socilaists are going Green now?

    Probably a HMO with 100 people in it
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Coming second in council seats won, while fifth in the national opinion polls, should properly be regarded as a good showing. It's going to be overshadowed by gains by Reform/Greens, Plaid in Wales, plus Labour's collapse everywhere, and maybe the relatively poor showing by the official opposition. So only sixth in the news pecking order.

    Do the expected Lib Dem gains point to any areas where they might hope to make progress at the next general election?
    Mark Pack (former President of the Lib Dems) has set out six metrics by which to measure Lib Dem success next week.

    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176720/6-ways-to-judge-the-liberal-democrat-election-results-ldn209/

    I hadn't realised that if they make net gains (which seems highly likely) then they wil be on an eight year winning streak.
    That's interesting. I hope he will do a follow-up after the election results are in.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,557
    edited April 30

    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216

    A big difference between 2022/3 and now is that back then about half of France's nuclear power stations were closed for maintenance or repair. Now it is far fewer - so there is a far greater surplus available.

    Another interesting move is a recent agreement between countries around the North Sea (9) to develop 100GW of 'hybrid' wind capacity jointly - the hybrid bit is direct connections to more than one country.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-europe-sign-historic-pact-to-drive-clean-energy-future
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249

    A reminder about France and their nuclear power plants.


    Revealed preference with respect to the safety of nuclear power.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,706
    eek said:

    I've been travelling around a fair bit this week. I have only seen one house with a political poster - and that was a rather lovely looking three story house that had 6 Green posters in its windows. (Might have been the candidate?)

    Did make me wornder whether monied socilaists are going Green now?

    That occurred in Darlington 2+ years ago
    I went Green 3 weeks after SKS won the leadership.

    Never looked back and since Zack was elected things have gone from strength to strength
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,535

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.

  • Politics UK
    @PolitlcsUK
    🚨 NEW: The Golders Green terror suspect was previously referred to Prevent, the Government’s counter terrorism programme

    He came to the UK from Somalia as a child in the early 1990s and is now a British citizen

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2049805031726108769

    Relatedly and FPT

    Confronting the hideous anti-Semitism now infesting Britain means confronting British Muslims, a significant minority of whom have anti-Semitic views, and are now quite unafraid to express them

    Is the British establishment ready to have that very tough conversation?

    This is not to deny the Semitism elsewhere in Britain. We have our own nasty domestic variety. Just look at jezbollah Corbyn, or some of the real weirdos on the new right. But nor can we deny we have ALSO imported this vile bigotry from the Islamic world

    If we can’t do this I see no hope for Jews in Britain. In the end they will leave. Which is both shameful and tragic
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
  • IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,535

    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216

    I am a huge fan of nuclear and agree we should have copied France on this. But given that none of our electricity generation is derived from Oil and a diminishing amount is coming from Gas I am not sure how building more nuclear generation would have helped very much with the current crisis.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,535

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    People are never happy. They also have very short memories. And compared to where we would have been without that oil revenue and the transformation it facilitated they should be bloody ecstatic.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,492

    A reminder about France and their nuclear power plants.


    Revealed preference with respect to the safety of nuclear power.
    Possibly proximity to rivers and closeness to areas of electricity demand as well, I would guess.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,726

    A reminder about France and their nuclear power plants.


    Revealed preference with respect to the safety of nuclear power.
    They have a lot more than two power plants.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,557
    edited April 30
    FPT:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxley0pp5o

    Concerning and rather strange story about the police lying

    That's an astonishing story. Note that it starts with this:
    On 13 March 2021, Buzzard-Quashie was arrested at her home in Ealing, west London, on suspicion of sending malicious communications after posting on Instagram some racist messages she had received from former acquaintances.
    And then it escalates to an extraordinary degree.
    You would have thought that a Chief Constable committing Contempt of Court would be an act of gross misconduct, and Misconduct in Public Office
    Ooof. It's misinformation, and process going mad or unchecked, perhaps with maliciousness.

    Such is not unknown. Two examples known to me are a few Trans Activists using the complaints and reporting system as a way of effectively turning the police into an outsourced harassment subcontractor. Another was pressure in the noughties on solicitors challenging Chief Constable discretion to leave unconfirmed information to appear on enhanced DBS entries, or iirc challenging charges under Operation Ore.

    I have seen even simple things like Council noise complaints systems used to harass neighbours, if a Council does not have a decent checks and balances setup.

    In witness statements prepared for the courts, Chief Constable Balhatchet insisted all of the body-worn video had been released to her or deleted.

    But eventually her lawyers obtained audit logs revealing such claims to be false - not only were there more videos, but they had been accessed by the police dozens of times.

    "It became apparent they were watching the body-worn video, then days later making sworn witness statements saying it doesn't exist," says Buzzard-Quashie.

    The revelations prompted the police to release more recordings in November.

    Balhatchet admitted contempt of court and apologised in person to the Court of Appeal for the "appalling failures" of his force, which Lord Justice Fraser described as "wilfully disobedient".

    He was ordered to pay a £50,000 fine and to date, more than £250,000 in legal costs.

    "People need to know that when you sign a statement to the civil courts, it's got to be true to the best of your knowledge," says Buzzard-Quashie's solicitor Marc Livingston.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,404
    Reading about SCOTUS decision last night on US voting rights act one wonders what is the point of Congress?

    The executive under Trump does what the hell it likes and there's barely a beep from Congress apart from Collins expressing her regular "concern".

    Meanwhile now it seems the justices think that as they say they have seen evidence that the Act has done its job and so is no longer needed then they can amend "the framework" of how the law works.

    Erm... that's the legislating branch of the government's job not the the court!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,901
    Premature podium watch:

    https://x.com/politicalpics/status/2049809411313455275

    I don’t want to spread false rumours but those of you who remember podium man from previous resignations, he just went into No10 !!
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,955

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Coming second in council seats won, while fifth in the national opinion polls, should properly be regarded as a good showing. It's going to be overshadowed by gains by Reform/Greens, Plaid in Wales, plus Labour's collapse everywhere, and maybe the relatively poor showing by the official opposition. So only sixth in the news pecking order.

    Do the expected Lib Dem gains point to any areas where they might hope to make progress at the next general election?
    Mark Pack (former President of the Lib Dems) has set out six metrics by which to measure Lib Dem success next week.

    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176720/6-ways-to-judge-the-liberal-democrat-election-results-ldn209/

    I hadn't realised that if they make net gains (which seems highly likely) then they wil be on an eight year winning streak.
    Given that they were pretty comprehensively trashed by the coalition, it's hardly supprising they hit a very low point immediately afterwards then have been gently drifting upwards ever since.
  • A reminder about France and their nuclear power plants.


    Amusing but rather misleading as that's just two of their nuclear power plants. The caption suggests it's the only two... but in fact there are lots more nowhere near a land border.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,927
    edited April 30

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,726
    The Trump administration is following the old Soviet playbook on science policy.

    Key US science panels are being axed — and others are becoming less open
    A Nature analysis shows that the Trump administration has terminated more than 100 advisory committees to science agencies — and reduced the transparency and independence of those that remain.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-026-01301-5
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,726
    Is it the DOJ's position that anybody who posts '8647' is subject to potential investigation and criminal charges?

    Blanche: It's depends...

    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2049578629080769009

    This is pernicious bullshit.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977

    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216

    I am a huge fan of nuclear and agree we should have copied France on this. But given that none of our electricity generation is derived from Oil and a diminishing amount is coming from Gas I am not sure how building more nuclear generation would have helped very much with the current crisis.
    Our utter incompetence at building a nuclear power plant for less than 10x the original estimate making it by far the dearest source of power makes me relieved that we did not attempt to build more. In a different world where we were capable of controlling costs I accept it might have been different.

    As it is at the moment we are producing 103% of our consumption so we are net exporters. We are importing a chunk from France but exporting more to others.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,492

    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216

    I am a huge fan of nuclear and agree we should have copied France on this. But given that none of our electricity generation is derived from Oil and a diminishing amount is coming from Gas I am not sure how building more nuclear generation would have helped very much with the current crisis.
    We just had solar panels fitted... my new favourite activity is tracking how much power we are exporting to the grid and how we have paid for almost no electricity since the installation. Long may the sun shine!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,901

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    People are never happy. They also have very short memories. And compared to where we would have been without that oil revenue and the transformation it facilitated they should be bloody ecstatic.
    Impossible to say with certainty. If we had created an investment fund like Norway and not sold off every national asset going to fund day to day spending who knows where we would be.
  • 72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    People are never happy. They also have very short memories. And compared to where we would have been without that oil revenue and the transformation it facilitated they should be bloody ecstatic.
    Impossible to say with certainty. If we had created an investment fund like Norway and not sold off every national asset going to fund day to day spending who knows where we would be.
    Norway of course have a tiny population compared to the UK.

    That would require us to have slashed spending to a tiny fraction of what it was.

    What spending would you have slashed and when?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,927

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    Not for the first time you seem to have confused politicians with randoms on Twitter.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,280

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    Socialism always buggers things up. A little bit buggers it slowly, a lot quickly.

    I watched an interesting discussion between David Starkey and the Editor of The New Statesman (soeaking in support of SKS) on YT. On the one hand he was hailing the minimum wage rise, on the other, waxing lyrical about how shop workers could afford to buy houses in 1991. Can he not join a simple dot?
  • I’ve been deep diving Rwanda’s economy. As it really is surprisingly poor

    For some reason in my head I pictured it as one of those medium income African countries doing OK. A Botswana or a Namibia

    It really isn’t. Botswana gdp per capita is $7000, Namibia is $5000. Rwanda is $1000. It is hardcore poor and in the bottom 25 poorest nations on earth

    That makes the gulf between a western visitor and the locals very wide. And also curious when you zoom out

    Look at it this way. A billionaire in the UK earns about 500 times more than me. But I earn about 700 times what a rural rural Rwandan earns

    An affluent western visitor in Rwanda is functionally Elon musk. Inconceivably wealthier. Wealthier in a way it is hard for a Rwandan to comprehend apart from the fact the westerner is very very very rich
  • I’ve been deep diving Rwanda’s economy. As it really is surprisingly poor

    For some reason in my head I pictured it as one of those medium income African countries doing OK. A Botswana or a Namibia

    It really isn’t. Botswana gdp per capita is $7000, Namibia is $5000. Rwanda is $1000. It is hardcore poor and in the bottom 25 poorest nations on earth

    That makes the gulf between a western visitor and the locals very wide. And also curious when you zoom out

    Look at it this way. A billionaire in the UK earns about 500 times more than me. But I earn about 700 times what a rural rural Rwandan earns

    An affluent western visitor in Rwanda is functionally Elon musk. Inconceivably wealthier. Wealthier in a way it is hard for a Rwandan to comprehend apart from the fact the westerner is very very very rich
  • eekeek Posts: 33,929

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    got to say that's somewhat "special" - and that any strawberries from Aberdeen at this time of year have to be grown inside or at least polytunnels with some heating involved.
  • I’ve been deep diving Rwanda’s economy. As it really is surprisingly poor

    For some reason in my head I pictured it as one of those medium income African countries doing OK. A Botswana or a Namibia

    It really isn’t. Botswana gdp per capita is $7000, Namibia is $5000. Rwanda is $1000. It is hardcore poor and in the bottom 25 poorest nations on earth

    That makes the gulf between a western visitor and the locals very wide. And also curious when you zoom out

    Look at it this way. A billionaire in the UK earns about 500 times more than me. But I earn about 700 times what a rural rural Rwandan earns

    An affluent western visitor in Rwanda is functionally Elon musk. Inconceivably wealthier. Wealthier in a way it is hard for a Rwandan to comprehend apart from the fact the westerner is very very very rich
  • I’ve been deep diving Rwanda’s economy. As it really is surprisingly poor

    For some reason in my head I pictured it as one of those medium income African countries doing OK. A Botswana or a Namibia

    It really isn’t. Botswana gdp per capita is $7000, Namibia is $5000. Rwanda is $1000. It is hardcore poor and in the bottom 25 poorest nations on earth

    That makes the gulf between a western visitor and the locals very wide. And also curious when you zoom out

    Look at it this way. A billionaire in the UK earns about 500 times more than me. But I earn about 700 times what a rural rural Rwandan earns

    An affluent western visitor in Rwanda is functionally Elon musk. Inconceivably wealthier. Wealthier in a way it is hard for a Rwandan to comprehend apart from the fact the westerner is very very very rich
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,535

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    People are never happy. They also have very short memories. And compared to where we would have been without that oil revenue and the transformation it facilitated they should be bloody ecstatic.
    Impossible to say with certainty. If we had created an investment fund like Norway and not sold off every national asset going to fund day to day spending who knows where we would be.
    Norway had nothing to sell off, no real heavy industry to transform, a tiny population compared to the UK and the ability to export practucally everything they produced. They also didn't have a massive economic crisis in the 1970s that threatened to destroy their economy. Trying to say we could have had anything like the Norwegian SWF is pie in the sky. Scotland alone might have been able to do it but the UK would never have been able to. And when all those heavy industry jobs disappeared off to the Far East how were we going to pay for transforming our economy.

    Deal with the facts of where we actually were in the late 70s rather than where you would have liked us to be.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    got to say that's somewhat "special" - and that any strawberries from Aberdeen at this time of year have to be grown inside or at least polytunnels with some heating involved.
    And probably CO2 as well #nextproblemdownthetrack.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,358

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    People are never happy. They also have very short memories. And compared to where we would have been without that oil revenue and the transformation it facilitated they should be bloody ecstatic.
    People massively exaggerate the impact North Sea oil had on the UK economy. It was never more than about 3% of the economy, and indeed only above 0.5% for about a decade. It was much less than that in employment. It's now about 0.42% of GDP. So not even a rounding error. For comparison, the financial sector in the UK, the real gold mine, is consistently around 7-9% of the economy.

    And NS oil had damaging Dutch disease side effects on the rest of the economy in making the exchange rate more volatile, because sterling was heavily influenced by oil prices for a while.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,726
    I hadn't noticed the sneaky inset of Appalachia into the nature bit of Charles's speech.

    https://x.com/JPLindsley/status/2049425348689821729
    JD Vance refused to clap for “nature,” during the King’s speech to Congress.

    Even Speaker Mike Johnson was puzzled. In fact, he looked a bit afraid as he rose to clap while JD, emissary of the White House and president of the Senate, sat silently. But the Speaker found the courage to clap anyhow..


    Got the sour faced VP reluctantly clapping at the end.

    Someone put a lot of effort into writing it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,901

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    Not for the first time you seem to have confused politicians with randoms on Twitter.
    He's an SNP member/activist.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,492

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    Not for the first time you seem to have confused politicians with randoms on Twitter.
    This is a surprisingly frequent occurance from Mr Glenn.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited April 30

    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216

    I am a huge fan of nuclear and agree we should have copied France on this. But given that none of our electricity generation is derived from Oil and a diminishing amount is coming from Gas I am not sure how building more nuclear generation would have helped very much with the current crisis.
    We just had solar panels fitted... my new favourite activity is tracking how much power we are exporting to the grid and how we have paid for almost no electricity since the installation. Long may the sun shine!
    Same here. Did you get conservation area planning permission or put them somewhere with automatic consent, as we did on our flat roof?

    I’m also enjoying following on the app (and we also have them in France generating a lot more than we can manage in London).
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,492
    MelonB said:

    France in 1970s did what we should have done and built nuclear.


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas

    CHART OF THE DAY: The 2022 European energy crisis was mostly about natural gas and electricity prices.

    The shock of 2026 is (in Europe) largely about oil.

    EU power markets remain largely stable (📉⤵️). A key reason is that France is producing lots of nuclear power this time.

    https://x.com/JavierBlas/status/2049750189548753216

    I am a huge fan of nuclear and agree we should have copied France on this. But given that none of our electricity generation is derived from Oil and a diminishing amount is coming from Gas I am not sure how building more nuclear generation would have helped very much with the current crisis.
    We just had solar panels fitted... my new favourite activity is tracking how much power we are exporting to the grid and how we have paid for almost no electricity since the installation. Long may the sun shine!
    Same here. Did you get conservation area planning permission or put them out of sight and therefore permitted, as we did on our flat roof?

    I’m also enjoying following on the app (and we also have them in France generating a lot more than we can manage in London).
    Out of sight on our luckily south facing side return.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    got to say that's somewhat "special" - and that any strawberries from Aberdeen at this time of year have to be grown inside or at least polytunnels with some heating involved.
    Got to say that I assumed it was a sign that the Iranian troll factories had been reconnected to the internet.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,023
    Taz said:

    Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National



    My proposal of what to do...

    Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
  • Taz said:

    Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National



    My proposal of what to do...

    Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
    But of course. How convenient for you. Ban the one social medium that offends the left
  • Why don’t we just make social media go back to 2011 when it was actually good
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,249

    Why don’t we just make social media go back to 2011 when it was actually good

    Because the ways in which it is bad are profitable and no-one is yet willing to confront the tech companies to enforce the necessary regulation.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726

    Why don’t we just make social media go back to 2011 when it was actually good

    It was massively loss making and, now that AI is the new investor hotness, investors are not interested in subsidising your microblogging.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,977
    FWIW I thought the Home Secretary was rather good on Today this morning. Her one weakness seemed to be a belief that the answer to every problem was more legislation but other than that I thought she was robust. If that was her job application I would suggest it was a fairly solid 4/5.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,901

    Why don’t we just make social media go back to 2011 when it was actually good

    The biggest change is the internationalisation of the internet. It used to be dominated by people from western countries but no longer is.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,603
    edited April 30
    theProle said:

    IanB2 said:

    Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?

    Coming second in council seats won, while fifth in the national opinion polls, should properly be regarded as a good showing. It's going to be overshadowed by gains by Reform/Greens, Plaid in Wales, plus Labour's collapse everywhere, and maybe the relatively poor showing by the official opposition. So only sixth in the news pecking order.

    Do the expected Lib Dem gains point to any areas where they might hope to make progress at the next general election?
    Mark Pack (former President of the Lib Dems) has set out six metrics by which to measure Lib Dem success next week.

    https://www.markpack.org.uk/176720/6-ways-to-judge-the-liberal-democrat-election-results-ldn209/

    I hadn't realised that if they make net gains (which seems highly likely) then they wil be on an eight year winning streak.
    Given that they were pretty comprehensively trashed by the coalition, it's hardly supprising they hit a very low point immediately afterwards then have been gently drifting upwards ever since.
    Yes. To put some stats behind that, the Lib Dems had 19.0% of all councillors in 2010, and dipped to 8.9% at their nadir, recovering to 17.1% today. Their peak in recent times was 22.3% in 1996 when the Conservatives were at their nadir.

    That's a pretty decent recovery given Green and Reform have many more councillors than in past decades (and will surely have plenty of additions to shout about next Friday) but still a bit lower than 2010.

    Some other benchmarks to look for. The Tory nadir in 1996 was 18.7% and they are currently at 23.8%. The Labour nadir was 21.5% in 2009 and they are currently at 32.9%. So both still have a bit of space even if they have very bad nights as expected, but might start looking over their shoulders. The Tories in particular had 44.7% even in 2018 after eight years in office, so quite a dip in recent years.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    72% of current French grid needs today is from nuclear.

    France invested in the future. We didn’t.
    France didn't have North Sea oil and gas.
    Which makes it even worse. What did we do with that windfall? Nowt
    We used it to transform our economy from a heavy industrial dinosaur to a modern, high employment economy suitable for the 21st century. Doing so cost a great deal of money which North Sea oil and gas helped to pay for. We used it to deal with the atrocious economic basket case we had become in the 1970s under Heath, Wilson and Callaghan. Almost 30% inflation, a currency collapse and having to borrow billions from the IMF.

    Just be grateful we had North Sea Oil revenues to get us out of that hole.
    And yet nobody is happy. Not really a great investment.
    People are never happy. They also have very short memories. And compared to where we would have been without that oil revenue and the transformation it facilitated they should be bloody ecstatic.
    Impossible to say with certainty. If we had created an investment fund like Norway and not sold off every national asset going to fund day to day spending who knows where we would be.
    Norway had nothing to sell off, no real heavy industry to transform, a tiny population compared to the UK and the ability to export practucally everything they produced. They also didn't have a massive economic crisis in the 1970s that threatened to destroy their economy. Trying to say we could have had anything like the Norwegian SWF is pie in the sky. Scotland alone might have been able to do it but the UK would never have been able to. And when all those heavy industry jobs disappeared off to the Far East how were we going to pay for transforming our economy.

    Deal with the facts of where we actually were in the late 70s rather than where you would have liked us to be.
    This is a silly argument. There’s no reason why a big country can’t have an investment fund. Just because it’s impact might be lesser in a big country doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.

    Imagine if we had invested everyone’s NI contributions over the last 70 years.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,927
    eek said:

    IanB2 said:

    So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?

    A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
    As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
    Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
    Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
    I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.

    I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
    Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?

    https://x.com/outofunion/status/2049488174913552548

    THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN..
    Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron.
    I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back.
    No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
    got to say that's somewhat "special" - and that any strawberries from Aberdeen at this time of year have to be grown inside or at least polytunnels with some heating involved.
    All that cheap surplus energy obvs.
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