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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Another u-turn coming?

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765619/Lowering-voting-age-help-Green-Party-Labour-MPs-tell-Starmer.html

    Labour MPs are urging Sir Keir Starmer to shelve plans to lower the voting age to 16 at general elections amid fears that it will hand votes to the Green Party.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,240
    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    In the best, "you only sing when you're winning," tradition I am considering going to Dursey Island for a week and leaving my phone at home so as to avoid the result of the next GE for as long as possible.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146

    Utterly OT but this caught my eye:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Northern_Territory_general_election#Opinion_polling

    "The most prominent issue in the campaign was crime, which has dramatically increased in the Territory in recent years.[29] Other issues included cost of living and pet crocodiles.[30]"

    I'd be taking a gamble that you could upset the owners of pet crocodiles without taking an electoral hit in the medium to long term
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,261
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Plan: Starmer announces new Chancellor - Andy Burnham. Given the urgency he'll be given a seat in the Lords.

    Try being PM now, Andy!

    (Ok, you can quit the Lords, but it buys time!)

    Chancellor has to be in the Commons.

    Of course, he could be made First Lord of the Treasury and de facto Chancellor, with the Prime Minister taking the title of Chancellor himself.
    Cabinet ministers don't have to be in Parliament, other than by convention
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,920

    Another u-turn coming?

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765619/Lowering-voting-age-help-Green-Party-Labour-MPs-tell-Starmer.html

    Labour MPs are urging Sir Keir Starmer to shelve plans to lower the voting age to 16 at general elections amid fears that it will hand votes to the Green Party.

    ‘There’s no way those little shits are going to vote for us’
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,251
    Dopermean said:

    Utterly OT but this caught my eye:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Northern_Territory_general_election#Opinion_polling

    "The most prominent issue in the campaign was crime, which has dramatically increased in the Territory in recent years.[29] Other issues included cost of living and pet crocodiles.[30]"

    I'd be taking a gamble that you could upset the owners of pet crocodiles without taking an electoral hit in the medium to long term
    Perhaps the rise in pet crocodiles is due to the rise in crime.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    edited April 26

    Dopermean said:

    Utterly OT but this caught my eye:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Northern_Territory_general_election#Opinion_polling

    "The most prominent issue in the campaign was crime, which has dramatically increased in the Territory in recent years.[29] Other issues included cost of living and pet crocodiles.[30]"

    I'd be taking a gamble that you could upset the owners of pet crocodiles without taking an electoral hit in the medium to long term
    Perhaps the rise in pet crocodiles is due to the rise in crime.
    For additional security, people need more 'gator keepers?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,240

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Plan: Starmer announces new Chancellor - Andy Burnham. Given the urgency he'll be given a seat in the Lords.

    Try being PM now, Andy!

    (Ok, you can quit the Lords, but it buys time!)

    Chancellor has to be in the Commons.

    Of course, he could be made First Lord of the Treasury and de facto Chancellor, with the Prime Minister taking the title of Chancellor himself.
    Cabinet ministers don't have to be in Parliament, other than by convention
    I think Chancellor is an exception because money is involved, and the Commons has a particular responsibility when it comes to money.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,640
    Scott_xP said:


    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    I feel like EK is going to figure somehow in the 2028 election. She's very adaptable and can morph with ease from tradwife to fleecing MAGA regards via TPUSA to Sappho baiting party girl to WWE widow. ARE YOU GRIEVING? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524
    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,366
    OT just had a betting account locked for too many failed login attempts (not from me). Stay safe, everyone.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Have the Iranians "claimed" credit yet? That will be the next shoe to fall (if the shooter isn't a paid up Biden supporter...)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195

    OT just had a betting account locked for too many failed login attempts (not from me). Stay safe, everyone.

    I had problems with my ladbrokes account this week. Someone tried logging in three times.

    I already have 2FA and changed password
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,366
    Taz said:

    OT just had a betting account locked for too many failed login attempts (not from me). Stay safe, everyone.

    I had problems with my ladbrokes account this week. Someone tried logging in three times.

    I already have 2FA and changed password
    That is the slightly odd thing – being made to change password away from one the attackers clearly do not know.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502

    Another u-turn coming?

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765619/Lowering-voting-age-help-Green-Party-Labour-MPs-tell-Starmer.html

    Labour MPs are urging Sir Keir Starmer to shelve plans to lower the voting age to 16 at general elections amid fears that it will hand votes to the Green Party.

    The reputational damage this would do to Labour among more idealistic types would far outweigh the electoral impact of low turnout 16 and 17 year olds voting Green. It would be a very Starmer u-turn.
    It is typical though that every single change to the voting system has been designed to benefit the party in power.

    As this was until they got cold feet...

    I was telling one of my politics students the other day that there would almost certainly be no votes for 16/17 year olds in this Parliament for this very reason.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,261

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Plan: Starmer announces new Chancellor - Andy Burnham. Given the urgency he'll be given a seat in the Lords.

    Try being PM now, Andy!

    (Ok, you can quit the Lords, but it buys time!)

    Chancellor has to be in the Commons.

    Of course, he could be made First Lord of the Treasury and de facto Chancellor, with the Prime Minister taking the title of Chancellor himself.
    Cabinet ministers don't have to be in Parliament, other than by convention
    I think Chancellor is an exception because money is involved, and the Commons has a particular responsibility when it comes to money.
    The Chancellor isn't an officer of Parliament, he's an officer of the Crown. So I don't see how it matters. Not legally, anyway.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    Another reason to despise Trump and his administration. not one of them can tie a bow tie correctly, absolute roasters.

    I knew how to tie a bow tie perfectly before the age of 12, ditto a Windsor knot.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,355
    This is more support for Starmer than I would have expected. https://labourlist.org/2026/04/mandelson-scandal-keir-starmer-leadership-survation-poll/

    But it seems likely things will get worse for him rather than better...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
    Here's how the Sun are headlining it:



    Deliberate or not, that suggests they have doubts about its genuineness.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,434
    edited April 26
    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Extraordinary claims really do require some evidence. In the shot ear assassination for example, evidence like the alleged assassin didn't exist, and therefore he isn't dead, the ear didn't get shot and didn't bleed, and so on. Or in today's case, that some nutter hasn't been arrested because he doesn't exist and wasn't there, or is an actor, or whatever.

    Which is not to say that stuff doesn't happen. Just that evidence matters.

    And mainstream journalists can't all be in the conspiracy loop, and there is a worldwide reputation and zillions to be made out of being the person who stands the story up.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420

    Starmer really is just Boris Johnson.

    I’m ashamed.

    Starmer could NEVER do this though:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzk27itihRI

    And only do THIS to soone on his own side:

    https://www.mancity.com/news/mens/city-dna-93-when-maurizio-gaudino-was-rugby-tackled-by-boris-johnson-63724117
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26
    Yvette Cooper, if she replaced Reeves as Chancellor, would certainly leap to the front of contenders to replace Starmer as PM. She would also certainly be a more credible PM than Ed Miliband, ideologically she is like Reeves very much in camp Starmer, right of Rayner and Ed Miliband but left of Streeting and not as populist right as Mahmood. As Foreign Secretary she was already an outsider, as Chancellor she would arguably be favourite, most PMs who have taken over the job when their party was in power since WW2 were Chancellor first and Cooper polls better with the public than Reeves or Starmer
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689

    Another u-turn coming?

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765619/Lowering-voting-age-help-Green-Party-Labour-MPs-tell-Starmer.html

    Labour MPs are urging Sir Keir Starmer to shelve plans to lower the voting age to 16 at general elections amid fears that it will hand votes to the Green Party.

    So it was nothing to do with principle, and everything to do with politics.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2048302962758365575

    Major fire reported at RAF Fairford overnight, a British airbase hosting a sizeable forward-deployed contingent of USAF bombers for Iran strikes.

    The fire reportedly gutted a commissary building.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,434
    HYUFD said:

    Yvette Cooper, if she replaced Reeves as Chancellor, would certainly leap to the front of contenders to replace Starmer as PM. She would also certainly be a more credible PM than Ed Miliband, ideologically she is like Reeves very much in camp Starmer, right of Rayner and Ed Miliband but left of Streeting and not as populist right as Mahmood. As Foreign Secretary she was already an outsider, as Chancellor she would arguably be favourite, most PMs who have taken over the job when their party was in power since WW2 were Chancellor first

    Cooper, IMO, is in the frame. Currently a leading contender among those who are not letting their 'friends' spend all their time briefing journalists.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,554
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    What irks me is that Labour have done precisely nothing to sort out the antiquated shitshow that is the process of buying and selling a house to simplify and streamline it, including reforming the tax regime. That's the real root cause of this mess and it's a problem for millions of people every year.

    It's entirely typical of this government that they're not even trying to do simple, boring things that would make the lives of ordinary people better (indeed, much the reverse with things like PIP) while coming up with grand schemes that are a total disaster and will piss everyone off.
    But there is a process. The fact that it is complicated and requires lawyers and tax experts to get right proves it is a Proper Process.

    She didn’t follow the process. If she had, she would have achieved moral perfection.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    What irks me is that Labour have done precisely nothing to sort out the antiquated shitshow that is the process of buying and selling a house to simplify and streamline it, including reforming the tax regime. That's the real root cause of this mess and it's a problem for millions of people every year.

    It's entirely typical of this government that they're not even trying to do simple, boring things that would make the lives of ordinary people better (indeed, much the reverse with things like PIP) while coming up with grand schemes that are a total disaster and will piss everyone off.
    Labour was the last party to try and fix the buying and selling of houses and those wounds are something members of this cabinet still suffer from - so it’s not surprising nothing is being done to fix the process.

    The tax is a different issue and we’ve covered the fix multiple times but this Government isn’t brave enough to do anything
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,694

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    Another reason to despise Trump and his administration. not one of them can tie a bow tie correctly, absolute roasters.

    I knew how to tie a bow tie perfectly before the age of 12, ditto a Windsor knot.
    Windsor knots are an abomination.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
    Here's how the Sun are headlining it:



    Deliberate or not, that suggests they have doubts about its genuineness.
    It seems genuine, fortunately Trump was not hit this time
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Extraordinary claims really do require some evidence. In the shot ear assassination for example, evidence like the alleged assassin didn't exist, and therefore he isn't dead, the ear didn't get shot and didn't bleed, and so on. Or in today's case, that some nutter hasn't been arrested because he doesn't exist and wasn't there, or is an actor, or whatever.

    Which is not to say that stuff doesn't happen. Just that evidence matters.

    And mainstream journalists can't all be in the conspiracy loop, and there is a worldwide reputation and zillions to be made out of being the person who stands the story up.
    That this incident happened in a room full of journalists, might possibly bring home to them the need to tone down some of the extremist rhetoric of recent years.

    It’s possible to critisise Trump’s actions and policies, without references to fascism and Hitler.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
    Here's how the Sun are headlining it:



    Deliberate or not, that suggests they have doubts about its genuineness.
    The gunman was not in the same room as Trump. He was not on the same floor of the building as Trump. Apart from that, it was really, really close...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    Another reason to despise Trump and his administration. not one of them can tie a bow tie correctly, absolute roasters.

    I knew how to tie a bow tie perfectly before the age of 12, ditto a Windsor knot.
    Windsor knots are an abomination.
    No, the Windsor knot is the only decent thing the Duke of Windsor ever did.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,694
    Security footage of the WHCD attack, as posted by President Trump.
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2048229039748354113
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524
    Sandpit said:

    That this incident happened in a room full of journalists

    It didn't
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,819
    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Extraordinary claims really do require some evidence. In the shot ear assassination for example, evidence like the alleged assassin didn't exist, and therefore he isn't dead, the ear didn't get shot and didn't bleed, and so on. Or in today's case, that some nutter hasn't been arrested because he doesn't exist and wasn't there, or is an actor, or whatever.

    Which is not to say that stuff doesn't happen. Just that evidence matters.

    And mainstream journalists can't all be in the conspiracy loop, and there is a worldwide reputation and zillions to be made out of being the person who stands the story up.
    That this incident happened in a room full of journalists, might possibly bring home to them the need to tone down some of the extremist rhetoric of recent years.

    It’s possible to critisise Trump’s actions and policies, without references to fascism and Hitler.
    Trump assassinated plenty of Iranian leaders. Not to excuse last night's events of course.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,814

    Another u-turn coming?

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15765619/Lowering-voting-age-help-Green-Party-Labour-MPs-tell-Starmer.html

    Labour MPs are urging Sir Keir Starmer to shelve plans to lower the voting age to 16 at general elections amid fears that it will hand votes to the Green Party.

    That's ridiculous. I oppose votes at 16 but it was a manifesto commitment and widely supported in the party, plus turnout would not be that high anyway, never mind the even more partisan reason for shelving it than implementing it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,814

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    Another reason to despise Trump and his administration. not one of them can tie a bow tie correctly, absolute roasters.

    I knew how to tie a bow tie perfectly before the age of 12, ditto a Windsor knot.
    No working class person should know how to tie a bow tie unless they're a snooker player.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,877
    HYUFD said:

    Yvette Cooper, if she replaced Reeves as Chancellor, would certainly leap to the front of contenders to replace Starmer as PM. She would also certainly be a more credible PM than Ed Miliband, ideologically she is like Reeves very much in camp Starmer, right of Rayner and Ed Miliband but left of Streeting and not as populist right as Mahmood. As Foreign Secretary she was already an outsider, as Chancellor she would arguably be favourite, most PMs who have taken over the job when their party was in power since WW2 were Chancellor first and Cooper polls better with the public than Reeves or Starmer

    Though that's partly a manifestation of the central mystery.

    The people whose CVs best qualify them to be next PM (Cooper, Lammy, Reeves, Mahmood) are nowhere in this chatter.

    Maybe they genuinely don't want the job. Though my theory is that anyone who does want to be Prime Minister in these circumstances ought to be disqualified due to mental infirmity.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:


    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    I feel like EK is going to figure somehow in the 2028 election. She's very adaptable and can morph with ease from tradwife to fleecing MAGA regards via TPUSA to Sappho baiting party girl to WWE widow. ARE YOU GRIEVING? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!
    I cannot find it now but whilst you were away there was a comment on Twitter mourning the sixth month anniversary of the death of Charlie Kirk.

    The person posted 'Six months without Charlie'

    and somebody replied with 'It's payday soon' with plenty of emojis implying cocaine.

    It made me think of you.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    Another reason to despise Trump and his administration. not one of them can tie a bow tie correctly, absolute roasters.

    I knew how to tie a bow tie perfectly before the age of 12, ditto a Windsor knot.
    Windsor knots are an abomination.
    No, the Windsor knot is the only decent thing the Duke of Windsor ever did.
    My mother claims that he popularised the sharp crease on the front of trousers.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542
    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Extraordinary claims really do require some evidence. In the shot ear assassination for example, evidence like the alleged assassin didn't exist, and therefore he isn't dead, the ear didn't get shot and didn't bleed, and so on. Or in today's case, that some nutter hasn't been arrested because he doesn't exist and wasn't there, or is an actor, or whatever.

    Which is not to say that stuff doesn't happen. Just that evidence matters.

    And mainstream journalists can't all be in the conspiracy loop, and there is a worldwide reputation and zillions to be made out of being the person who stands the story up.
    That this incident happened in a room full of journalists, might possibly bring home to them the need to tone down some of the extremist rhetoric of recent years.

    It’s possible to critisise Trump’s actions and policies, without references to fascism and Hitler.
    At least no innocent person in the crowd died in this event.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870
    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Extraordinary claims really do require some evidence. In the shot ear assassination for example, evidence like the alleged assassin didn't exist, and therefore he isn't dead, the ear didn't get shot and didn't bleed, and so on. Or in today's case, that some nutter hasn't been arrested because he doesn't exist and wasn't there, or is an actor, or whatever.

    Which is not to say that stuff doesn't happen. Just that evidence matters.

    And mainstream journalists can't all be in the conspiracy loop, and there is a worldwide reputation and zillions to be made out of being the person who stands the story up.
    That this incident happened in a room full of journalists, might possibly bring home to them the need to tone down some of the extremist rhetoric of recent years.

    It’s possible to critisise Trump’s actions and policies, without references to fascism and Hitler.
    Yes it would be nice for MAGA and their fellow travellers to tone down their extremist rhetorhic.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,694

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    Another reason to despise Trump and his administration. not one of them can tie a bow tie correctly, absolute roasters.

    I knew how to tie a bow tie perfectly before the age of 12, ditto a Windsor knot.
    Windsor knots are an abomination.
    No, the Windsor knot is the only decent thing the Duke of Windsor ever did.
    There are two answers, depending on whether you think of aesthetics in terms of some kind of pure art or as a social language. The second will offend, but here we go.

    The "pure art" reason: A half and full Windsor are too studied and often end up creating a big bulky knot under your chin. A FIH or a double-four-in-hand will result in a smaller, more tasteful knot. The slightly askew asymetry looks good for the same reason pocket squares should be stuffed and not folded into oragami shapes. Or why hats should be cocked and not worn straight. There's more of a "naturalness" to it, suggesting to the viewer that you could look better, but you threw this on without any care, and this is just how you look. The whole art of looking stylish is putting a lot of time into your outfit without actually looking like you put time into your outfit, and a slightly askew knot accomplishes this than a perfectly symetircal knot with no dimple.

    The sociological reason: As Pierre Bourdieu pointed out, our notions of what constitutes "Good Taste" are often shaped by the practices of the elite classes. And historically, the four-in-hand is what was taught in the more elite private schools and what men wore throughout their lives after graduating. The half- and full-Windsor came about because some men tried to copy the Duke of Windsor, who did not, in fact, wear a Windsor knot. Instead, the Duke wore bespoke ties made with a slightly thicker interlining. ..

    https://x.com/dieworkwear/status/1705087742043152679

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524
    @lefttheprairie.bsky.social‬

    I’m at the combination Comedy Central Roast of Adolf Hitler / Reichstag Fire
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26
    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,366
    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
    Here's how the Sun are headlining it:



    Deliberate or not, that suggests they have doubts about its genuineness.
    Probably the reflexive equivalent of "allegedly".
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,440
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,440
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    Just a little bit more for the LibDems and Davey's LOTO.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    edited April 26
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    nico67 said:

    kle4 said:

    Well, one positive for Trump of people taking shots at him is that his current mildly upset base will presumably rally home. Not really worth the upset of course.

    Apparently many online Dems think his original assassanation attempt was a hoax, which i was not aware of.

    It’s not just them some of the ex MAGA’s are also into that conspiracy . It all seems to stem from the FBI lying about the perpetrator not having a social media presence . This then seems to have snowballed .
    There's an awful lot of sketchy stuff around that attempt which has never been explained. But there again, this is the Trump administration.
    The conspiracy theory isn't particularly plausible, but neither is it entirely implausible.
    It never seemed entirely plausible that Trump would deliver that speech. People work back from that...
    @adgirlMM

    Let me get this straight.

    Trump has forgone the White House Correspondents dinner every single year.

    This year, not only was he there, his entire cabinet was there including the VP, the head of the FBI, the Secretary of Defense (while we're at war) - and Erika Kirk. Ok. 👌

    https://x.com/adgirlMM/status/2048229091535651175?s=20
    Extraordinary claims really do require some evidence. In the shot ear assassination for example, evidence like the alleged assassin didn't exist, and therefore he isn't dead, the ear didn't get shot and didn't bleed, and so on. Or in today's case, that some nutter hasn't been arrested because he doesn't exist and wasn't there, or is an actor, or whatever.

    Which is not to say that stuff doesn't happen. Just that evidence matters.

    And mainstream journalists can't all be in the conspiracy loop, and there is a worldwide reputation and zillions to be made out of being the person who stands the story up.
    That this incident happened in a room full of journalists, might possibly bring home to them the need to tone down some of the extremist rhetoric of recent years.

    It’s possible to critisise Trump’s actions and policies, without references to fascism and Hitler.
    Yes it would be nice for MAGA and their fellow travellers to tone down their extremist rhetorhic.
    Honestly, the doublethink on display in that original post was mind blowing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    Only if she wants to destroy her own party!

    No point in tactically voting Tory to keep Reform out.

    I think such a result would lead to a second election within 6 months. The national crisis would be only just beginning.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,366
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    I meant the journalists and broadcasters. I do think there is a pro-Oxbridge (and mainly Oxford) bias.

    I made £5,000 in aggregate on Liz Truss and Rishi after checking they'd been to Oxford, but not on Kemi for the same reason. If Angela Rayner enters Number 10, I expect a deluge of sniffy editorials about how the poor dear, admirable is the climb from her roots, is not quite up to the job.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,649

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
    Son did a year at Aber. Had a flat overlooking the bay. He and his flat mates would rush into the sea each morning for a quick swim, all weathers.

    Yes there is definitely something in the air there.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
    I did my PGCE there in the 80s when there were only a few students there. God knows what it's like now with loads more.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    'Donald Trump has revealed what First Lady Melania Trump told him just after bullets were fired in the Washington Hilton Hotel during the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

    'It's always shocking when something like this happens,' the President said at a White House press briefing in the West Wing within an hour of the violence.

    'The fact that we were sitting next to each other, the first lady on my right, and I heard a noise,' Trump said, adding they thought 'it was either a tray or a bullet.'

    'I heard a noise and kinda thought it was a tray going down,' he said.

    Trump said that immediately Melania Trump recognized the sound as a 'bad noise,' adding that 'it was a rather traumatic experience for her.'

    'Melania was very cognizant,' he continued.'

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15766103/Trump-reveals-Melanias-chilling-words-gunshots-rang-White-House-Correspondents-Dinner-agents-forced-CRAWL-ballroom.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    I meant the journalists and broadcasters. I do think there is a pro-Oxbridge (and mainly Oxford) bias.

    I made £5,000 in aggregate on Liz Truss and Rishi after checking they'd been to Oxford, but not on Kemi for the same reason. If Angela Rayner enters Number 10, I expect a deluge of sniffy editorials about how the poor dear, admirable is the climb from her roots, is not quite up to the job.
    To an extent but I don't think even the media is as Oxbridge as it used to be, certainly outside the Times and BBC.

    Rayner has some self confidence but she has no degree from anywhere let alone Oxbridge, Farage also has no degree but he went to a major public school so still has that self confidence and if he won the next general election would have a mandate from the voters. Rayner won't yet
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,030
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    She'd be utterly mad to do it - the end of the Conservative Party for sure.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524
    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has revealed what First Lady Melania Trump told him just after bullets were fired in the Washington Hilton Hotel during the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

    'It's always shocking when something like this happens,' the President said at a White House press briefing in the West Wing within an hour of the violence.

    'The fact that we were sitting next to each other, the first lady on my right, and I heard a noise,' Trump said, adding they thought 'it was either a tray or a bullet.'

    'I heard a noise and kinda thought it was a tray going down,' he said.

    Trump said that immediately Melania Trump recognized the sound as a 'bad noise,' adding that 'it was a rather traumatic experience for her.'

    'Melania was very cognizant,' he continued.'

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15766103/Trump-reveals-Melanias-chilling-words-gunshots-rang-White-House-Correspondents-Dinner-agents-forced-CRAWL-ballroom.html

    She looks terrified. He is smiling

    https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/2048249074218844424?s=20
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,261

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    She'd be utterly mad to do it - the end of the Conservative Party for sure.
    Reform minority government and election in six months after it crashes and burns
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    Only if she wants to destroy her own party!

    No point in tactically voting Tory to keep Reform out.

    I think such a result would lead to a second election within 6 months. The national crisis would be only just beginning.
    If we had such a result as I said Reform would probably take over the Tories eventually.

    The Tories need to be the main opposition to Reform to remain a viable independent party longer term, unless we got PR certainly.

    Otherwise if the Tories end up just the junior partner to a first placed Reform, which under Kemi is where they are heading with Nowcast with Labour projected to be second on seats and the Tories only 4th behind the LDs, then sooner or later Farage will gobble them up with the minority of One Nation Tory types who can't stomach that joining Davey in the LDs
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,961
    edited April 26
    Will we see Rachel from Accounts crying again if Starmer sacks her? She should be sacked as she is useless but not to save Starmer who is utterly useless.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    I do think Reeves has been one of the main reasons this government has failed - a lot of it stems from the repeated misfires and unforced errors that preceded both of her budgets - but it’s no good Starmer trying to set her up to take the fall. They have made it clear that they are both in lockstep with each other and jointly make decisions. Where one goes, the other follows. It will be the same if he tries to throw her under the bus (I suspect he might) - he can try but he won’t survive it.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,474
    Scott_xP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
    Here's how the Sun are headlining it:



    Deliberate or not, that suggests they have doubts about its genuineness.
    The gunman was not in the same room as Trump. He was not on the same floor of the building as Trump. Apart from that, it was really, really close...
    Two faked assassination attempts looks like carelessness...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has revealed what First Lady Melania Trump told him just after bullets were fired in the Washington Hilton Hotel during the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

    'It's always shocking when something like this happens,' the President said at a White House press briefing in the West Wing within an hour of the violence.

    'The fact that we were sitting next to each other, the first lady on my right, and I heard a noise,' Trump said, adding they thought 'it was either a tray or a bullet.'

    'I heard a noise and kinda thought it was a tray going down,' he said.

    Trump said that immediately Melania Trump recognized the sound as a 'bad noise,' adding that 'it was a rather traumatic experience for her.'

    'Melania was very cognizant,' he continued.'

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15766103/Trump-reveals-Melanias-chilling-words-gunshots-rang-White-House-Correspondents-Dinner-agents-forced-CRAWL-ballroom.html

    She looks terrified. He is smiling

    https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/2048249074218844424?s=20
    Just think how the regime would turn her into a martyr if she was assassinated. No wonder she looked terrified, she’s been to various Charlie Kirk eulogy things
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524
    Cicero said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    https://x.com/BraidseaQuine/status/2048301347825426763?s=20
    Here's how the Sun are headlining it:



    Deliberate or not, that suggests they have doubts about its genuineness.
    The gunman was not in the same room as Trump. He was not on the same floor of the building as Trump. Apart from that, it was really, really close...
    Two faked assassination attempts looks like carelessness...
    The first one was a total success. Why wouldn't they try it again...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
    I did a Masters there, Ydeothur studied there, King Charles III also went to Aberystwyth for a term to study Welsh. Indeed it is the only university in the UK attended by a UK monarch outside of Oxford or Cambridge (and once William becomes King St Andrews)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,240

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Plan: Starmer announces new Chancellor - Andy Burnham. Given the urgency he'll be given a seat in the Lords.

    Try being PM now, Andy!

    (Ok, you can quit the Lords, but it buys time!)

    Chancellor has to be in the Commons.

    Of course, he could be made First Lord of the Treasury and de facto Chancellor, with the Prime Minister taking the title of Chancellor himself.
    Cabinet ministers don't have to be in Parliament, other than by convention
    I think Chancellor is an exception because money is involved, and the Commons has a particular responsibility when it comes to money.
    The Chancellor isn't an officer of Parliament, he's an officer of the Crown. So I don't see how it matters. Not legally, anyway.
    The best reference I can find in a brief search is this, from Wikipedia.
    Because the House of Lords is excluded from financial matters by tradition confirmed by the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, the office is effectively limited to members of the House of Commons
    Now, obviously, Britain doesn't have constitutional law that is difficult to change, so if a government really wanted to, they could change the law and the standing orders for Commons and Lords, to allow a Chancellor to present a budget speech to the Lords, or to allow a Lord to present a budget speech to the Commons, but it's a much higher bar than it would be to appoint a Lord to any other ministerial position. It would be easier for the Prime Minister to be a Lord than it would be for the Chancellor.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,306
    edited April 26
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    Only if she wants to destroy her own party!

    No point in tactically voting Tory to keep Reform out.

    I think such a result would lead to a second election within 6 months. The national crisis would be only just beginning.
    If we had such a result as I said Reform would probably take over the Tories eventually.

    The Tories need to be the main opposition to Reform to remain a viable independent party longer term, unless we got PR certainly.

    Otherwise if the Tories end up just the junior partner to Reform, which under Kemi is where they are heading with Labour projected to be second on seats with the new Nowcast and the Tories only 4th behind the LDs, then sooner or later Farage will gobble them up with the minority of One Nation Tory types who can't stomach that joining Davey in the LDs
    One thought that occurred, given a lot of these have Labour, LD, Con and Green fairly tight for second on seat numbers.

    The government is formed of who can command confidence, including C&S and coalition.

    Can a second place party be usurped from opposition by a coalition for opposition. Mainly could Labour and LD combine to form a shadow administration if Conservatives were second on seats.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,440
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
    I did a Masters there, Ydeothur studied there, King Charles III also went to Aberystwth for a term to study Welsh. Indeed it is the only university in the UK attended by a UK monarch outside of Oxford or Cambridge (and once William becomes King St Andrews)
    Throw a line in the water, something will take the bait!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,388
    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has revealed what First Lady Melania Trump told him just after bullets were fired in the Washington Hilton Hotel during the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

    'It's always shocking when something like this happens,' the President said at a White House press briefing in the West Wing within an hour of the violence.

    'The fact that we were sitting next to each other, the first lady on my right, and I heard a noise,' Trump said, adding they thought 'it was either a tray or a bullet.'

    'I heard a noise and kinda thought it was a tray going down,' he said.

    Trump said that immediately Melania Trump recognized the sound as a 'bad noise,' adding that 'it was a rather traumatic experience for her.'

    'Melania was very cognizant,' he continued.'

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15766103/Trump-reveals-Melanias-chilling-words-gunshots-rang-White-House-Correspondents-Dinner-agents-forced-CRAWL-ballroom.html

    She looks terrified. He is smiling

    https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/2048249074218844424?s=20
    Has he declared martial law yet?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,240
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    She'd be utterly mad to do it - the end of the Conservative Party for sure.
    Reform minority government and election in six months after it crashes and burns
    We would find out how much executive power the Prime Minister has as a result of royal prerogative and secondary legislation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    Pro_Rata said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    Only if she wants to destroy her own party!

    No point in tactically voting Tory to keep Reform out.

    I think such a result would lead to a second election within 6 months. The national crisis would be only just beginning.
    If we had such a result as I said Reform would probably take over the Tories eventually.

    The Tories need to be the main opposition to Reform to remain a viable independent party longer term, unless we got PR certainly.

    Otherwise if the Tories end up just the junior partner to Reform, which under Kemi is where they are heading with Labour projected to be second on seats with the new Nowcast and the Tories only 4th behind the LDs, then sooner or later Farage will gobble them up with the minority of One Nation Tory types who can't stomach that joining Davey in the LDs
    One thought that occurred, given a lot of these have Labour, LD, Con and Green fairly tight for second on seat numbers.

    The government is formed of who can command confidence, including C&S and coalition.

    Can a second place party be usurped from opposition by a coalition for opposition. Mainly could Labour and LD combine to form a shadow administration if Conservatives were second on seats.
    No, as if the Conservatives were second on seats they would form the main opposition to Reform.

    Only if Labour or the LDs or Greens were second on seats to first placed Reform would they be the main opposition to Reform as in that case the rump Tories would likely be on the government benches with Reform
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,554
    edited April 26

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
    Every American President gets a vast number of threats. There’s a whole part of the Secret Service that catalogues them, categorises them and investigates them.

    This goes back to before JFK.

    It seems quite unlikely that no one is threatening Trump.

    Every American President has assassination attempts against them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

    So, if no one is really attacking Trump, it would be an extraordinary claim.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,923
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I think farage would have to think 3 nanoseconds before agreeing to that .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    She'd be utterly mad to do it - the end of the Conservative Party for sure.
    To be fair though I am not sure if Kemi would be that bothered, if she was Farage's Deputy PM but at the price of the end of the Conservative Party would she really be that concerned or just shrug her shoulders? I think she might just shrug.

    Cleverly on the other hand would never go into government with Farage, of that I am convinced. So if the Conservative Party wishes to ensure it survives as an independent party after the next general election Cleverly may be the only option if Kemi cannot at least keep the Tories second on votes and seats to Reform in May
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,640
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I wonder what august office of state awaits our diastematic doyenne?


  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
    Every American President gets a vast number of threats. There’s a whole part of the Secret Service that catalogues them, categorises them and investigates them.

    This goes back to before JFK.

    It seems quite unlikely that no one is threatening Trump.

    Every American President has assassination attempts against them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

    So, if no one is really attacking Trump, it would be an extraordinary claim.
    Sure, but we’re talking about shooters trying to assassinate him. Haven’t had any.

    Watch the footage yesterday. The secret service remove *Vance* from the stage leaving Trump sat there.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,388
    Hannan is leaving the Tories to become IEA director.



    "Because the IEA is a charity, I shall be leaving the Conservatives, and my party glands will be cauterised in a painful operation."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/25/hannan-leave-tories-iea-economics-no-free-lunch/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,554

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
    Every American President gets a vast number of threats. There’s a whole part of the Secret Service that catalogues them, categorises them and investigates them.

    This goes back to before JFK.

    It seems quite unlikely that no one is threatening Trump.

    Every American President has assassination attempts against them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

    So, if no one is really attacking Trump, it would be an extraordinary claim.
    Sure, but we’re talking about shooters trying to assassinate him. Haven’t had any.

    Watch the footage yesterday. The secret service remove *Vance* from the stage leaving Trump sat there.
    So you are saying that all the public assassination attempts are fake?

    Where are the usual nutters then? The ones that take pot shots at every American President?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,524

    Scott_xP said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Donald Trump has revealed what First Lady Melania Trump told him just after bullets were fired in the Washington Hilton Hotel during the White House Correspondents' Dinner.

    'It's always shocking when something like this happens,' the President said at a White House press briefing in the West Wing within an hour of the violence.

    'The fact that we were sitting next to each other, the first lady on my right, and I heard a noise,' Trump said, adding they thought 'it was either a tray or a bullet.'

    'I heard a noise and kinda thought it was a tray going down,' he said.

    Trump said that immediately Melania Trump recognized the sound as a 'bad noise,' adding that 'it was a rather traumatic experience for her.'

    'Melania was very cognizant,' he continued.'

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15766103/Trump-reveals-Melanias-chilling-words-gunshots-rang-White-House-Correspondents-Dinner-agents-forced-CRAWL-ballroom.html

    She looks terrified. He is smiling

    https://x.com/PawlowskiMario/status/2048249074218844424?s=20
    Has he declared martial law yet?
    Washington is already under military occupation
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502

    Hannan is leaving the Tories to become IEA director.



    "Because the IEA is a charity, I shall be leaving the Conservatives, and my party glands will be cauterised in a painful operation."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/25/hannan-leave-tories-iea-economics-no-free-lunch/

    A terrible loss, of course.

    But a big gain for the Conservatives.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,366

    HYUFD said:

    Yvette Cooper, if she replaced Reeves as Chancellor, would certainly leap to the front of contenders to replace Starmer as PM. She would also certainly be a more credible PM than Ed Miliband, ideologically she is like Reeves very much in camp Starmer, right of Rayner and Ed Miliband but left of Streeting and not as populist right as Mahmood. As Foreign Secretary she was already an outsider, as Chancellor she would arguably be favourite, most PMs who have taken over the job when their party was in power since WW2 were Chancellor first and Cooper polls better with the public than Reeves or Starmer

    Though that's partly a manifestation of the central mystery.

    The people whose CVs best qualify them to be next PM (Cooper, Lammy, Reeves, Mahmood) are nowhere in this chatter.

    Maybe they genuinely don't want the job. Though my theory is that anyone who does want to be Prime Minister in these circumstances ought to be disqualified due to mental infirmity.
    Why would anyone want the Downing Street Chelsea job?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924

    Hannan is leaving the Tories to become IEA director.



    "Because the IEA is a charity, I shall be leaving the Conservatives, and my party glands will be cauterised in a painful operation."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/25/hannan-leave-tories-iea-economics-no-free-lunch/

    Hopefully not as a stepping stone to Reform post his time at the IEA
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
    I did a Masters there, Ydeothur studied there, King Charles III also went to Aberystwyth for a term to study Welsh. Indeed it is the only university in the UK attended by a UK monarch outside of Oxford or Cambridge (and once William becomes King St Andrews)
    @Sandpit did Interpol there too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I wonder what august office of state awaits our diastematic doyenne?


    Kemi wouldn't accept that, she would want to be Farage's Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary at least, even if Jenrick is already Reform's Shadow Chancellor.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I wonder what august office of state awaits our diastematic doyenne?


    Kemi wouldn't accept that, she would want to be Farage's Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary at least, even if Jenrick is already Reform's Shadow Chancellor.
    I was also wondering, what have the Welsh done to upset @Dura_Ace ?

    Then I remembered 20mph speed limits...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,251
    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I wonder what august office of state awaits our diastematic doyenne?


    Kemi wouldn't accept that, she would want to be Farage's Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary at least, even if Jenrick is already Reform's Shadow Chancellor.
    DPM would be a good added job as she could do Prime Minister's Questions sometimes.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
    Every American President gets a vast number of threats. There’s a whole part of the Secret Service that catalogues them, categorises them and investigates them.

    This goes back to before JFK.

    It seems quite unlikely that no one is threatening Trump.

    Every American President has assassination attempts against them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

    So, if no one is really attacking Trump, it would be an extraordinary claim.
    Sure, but we’re talking about shooters trying to assassinate him. Haven’t had any.

    Watch the footage yesterday. The secret service remove *Vance* from the stage leaving Trump sat there.
    I suspect that they are seperate protection teams.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    nico67 said:

    Rayner must really be kicking herself .

    And she’ll be even more hacked off if the HMRC continue to drag out her case and things happen quickly post the May elections.

    There’s no way she can put herself forward for the leadership until the HMRC report back .

    It could be the case it’s dragging on as it seems she’s gathered more legal advice that suggests she did nothing wrong and doesn’t owe that extra stamp duty .

    I don't know. Double jeopardy and all that. She doesn't have to resign twice over the same matter. I think she will run.
    Yes, I cannot see the stamp duty mess precluding a run. There are no criminal charges and no-one understands it anyway, even if Rayner loses her case.

    Angela Rayner remains favourite in the betting markets for next Prime Minister and next Labour leader.
    Angela Rayner may have the right politics but she comes over as a bit thick to me.

    Only Burnham can save Labour and we know he isn't currently eligible due to the Labour First mob putting control of the Party ahead of the good of the Party.

    The likes of Luke Akehurst and at least 100 PLP members would rather Farage was PM than a soft left leader become PM.
    I do not think Rayner is stupid but fear her lack of education might be held against her by PPE snobs in the broadcasters and broadsheets, cf Callaghan and Major to name but two.
    Starmer studied law not PPE and Kemi did Computer Science at Sussex, Polanski went to Aberystwyth and studied drama and Farage didn't even go to university (even if he went to Dulwich, a major public school).

    In fact of the main party leaders only Davey now studied PPE at Oxford (the LDs now arguably the natural party of the Remoaner civll service establishment)
    Cousin of mine read maths at Aberystwyth. He was a bit odd, too. Is there something in the air there?

    And Good Morning one and all.
    I did a Masters there, Ydeothur studied there, King Charles III also went to Aberystwyth for a term to study Welsh. Indeed it is the only university in the UK attended by a UK monarch outside of Oxford or Cambridge (and once William becomes King St Andrews)
    @Sandpit did Interpol there too.
    Economics, not InterPol.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,612
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I wonder what august office of state awaits our diastematic doyenne?


    A majority of 16 with some unhappy Tories and goodness knows how many flaky Reform out of a total of 262. Couldn't see that lasting more than a month or so.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,342
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
    Every American President gets a vast number of threats. There’s a whole part of the Secret Service that catalogues them, categorises them and investigates them.

    This goes back to before JFK.

    It seems quite unlikely that no one is threatening Trump.

    Every American President has assassination attempts against them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

    So, if no one is really attacking Trump, it would be an extraordinary claim.
    Sure, but we’re talking about shooters trying to assassinate him. Haven’t had any.

    Watch the footage yesterday. The secret service remove *Vance* from the stage leaving Trump sat there.
    I suspect that they are seperate protection teams.
    Likely. With the Trump team leaving the principal on stage in “danger”.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958

    HYUFD said:

    Yvette Cooper, if she replaced Reeves as Chancellor, would certainly leap to the front of contenders to replace Starmer as PM. She would also certainly be a more credible PM than Ed Miliband, ideologically she is like Reeves very much in camp Starmer, right of Rayner and Ed Miliband but left of Streeting and not as populist right as Mahmood. As Foreign Secretary she was already an outsider, as Chancellor she would arguably be favourite, most PMs who have taken over the job when their party was in power since WW2 were Chancellor first and Cooper polls better with the public than Reeves or Starmer

    Though that's partly a manifestation of the central mystery.

    The people whose CVs best qualify them to be next PM (Cooper, Lammy, Reeves, Mahmood) are nowhere in this chatter.

    Maybe they genuinely don't want the job. Though my theory is that anyone who does want to be Prime Minister in these circumstances ought to be disqualified due to mental infirmity.
    Why would anyone want the Downing Street Chelsea job?
    8 year contract, £8m salary, for 8 weeks work? I might be able to squeeze it in if they ask nicely.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,924
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    General Election Nowcast - 26/04/26:

    RFM: 262 (+257), 26.5% (64 Short)
    LAB: 86 (-325), 19.2%
    LDM: 82 (+10), 12.2%
    CON: 72 (-49), 18.6%
    GRN: 61 (+57), 15.7%
    SNP: 47 (+38), 2.8%
    PLC: 12 (+8), 1.3%
    Oth: 9 (+4), 3.7%

    http://electionmaps.uk/nowcast

    https://bsky.app/profile/electionmaps.uk/post/3mkf44gbjsc2t

    Kemi projected as Kingmaker again in a hung parliament, Farage would need to give her a Cabinet job therefore to ensure he becomes PM or at least do a confidence and supply deal with her
    I wonder what august office of state awaits our diastematic doyenne?


    Kemi wouldn't accept that, she would want to be Farage's Foreign Secretary or Home Secretary at least, even if Jenrick is already Reform's Shadow Chancellor.
    DPM would be a good added job as she could do Prime Minister's Questions sometimes.
    Fine, she could then also sign the Reform merger (ie takeover) of the Conservatives deal at the same time with Farage.

    She would basically become Vice Chair to Farage's executive Chairman/CEO of the new Reformed Conservative Party
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958

    Scott_xP said:

    They look so happy. It obviously all went to plan.

    https://x.com/ChrisHeHim1/status/2048264880810299442?s=20

    You buy into the conspiracy theory that the threats against Trump are orchestrated by him?
    What threats? There haven’t been any threats.

    Conspiracies? He’s a crook openly enriching himself and his cronies.
    Every American President gets a vast number of threats. There’s a whole part of the Secret Service that catalogues them, categorises them and investigates them.

    This goes back to before JFK.

    It seems quite unlikely that no one is threatening Trump.

    Every American President has assassination attempts against them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

    So, if no one is really attacking Trump, it would be an extraordinary claim.
    Sure, but we’re talking about shooters trying to assassinate him. Haven’t had any.

    Watch the footage yesterday. The secret service remove *Vance* from the stage leaving Trump sat there.
    So you are saying that all the public assassination attempts are fake?

    Where are the usual nutters then? The ones that take pot shots at every American President?
    They are now the cabinet!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,694
    Cole Tomas Allen, 31, from Torrance, CA, was identified as the shooter at the WH Correspondents’ Dinner at the Washington Hilton hotel.

    He was a guest at the hotel and was armed with a shotgun, handgun, and knives.

    The buzz of him being a registered Democrat is false; he's apparently registered as No Party Preference. He works as a part-time teacher and video game developer.

    He is believed to have fired at least once outside a security checkpoint but did not reach the main ballroom where President Trump, his cabinet, senior administration officials, journalists, and media figures were gathered.

    Mr. Allen will be arraigned on April 27 in federal court.

    https://x.com/DavidSchwartz70/status/2048273043420491866
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