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The coronation of Ed Miliband? – politicalbetting.com

Ed Miliband is trying to “position himself for a coronation” to replace Keir Starmer after the local elections – reports @DavidPBMaddox https://t.co/ZJbr3JLQ5J pic.twitter.com/JI5iwAwk2m

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  • TazTaz Posts: 28,184
    Nooooo
  • Andy.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,867

    Andy.

    Not eligible.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,867
    Ed Is Crap Is Prime Minister?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989
    80% of PLP plus one needed to get a coronation, correct? High but not quite impossible hurdle?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    If Labour aren’t to have a female leader then they should think out of the box and go for Al Carns .

    He could at least tell the plastic patriot Farage to go fxck himself .

    If Ed Miliband ends up as leader then Labour deserve to become extinct .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,867

    80% of PLP plus one needed to get a coronation, correct? High but not quite impossible hurdle?

    Not quite so.

    The key to a coronation is that no rival candidate has 81 nominees.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874
    The enemies of one flailing Prime Minister were characterised as "happy to wound, afraid to kill". It might have been the ones listed in John Major's Bastards Book From Ryman's, but it might have been Gordon Brown's. Or it might be a standard trope going back centuries.

    It still feels like that- and as long as supporters of Buggins don't want to risk Fuggins getting in, and vice versa, Muggins stays in place.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553

    The enemies of one flailing Prime Minister were characterised as "happy to wound, afraid to kill". It might have been the ones listed in John Major's Bastards Book From Ryman's, but it might have been Gordon Brown's. Or it might be a standard trope going back centuries.

    It still feels like that- and as long as supporters of Buggins don't want to risk Fuggins getting in, and vice versa, Muggins stays in place.

    It was noted that nearly all the many wounds inflicted on Caesar, by his assassins, were performative.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,365
    It is clear Ed wants Starmer to step down but it was earlier reported that he himself:-
    1. does not want to be leader again after getting duffed up as LotO
    2. wants to be Chancellor, perhaps running domestic policy like Brown under Blair
    3. has held negotiations with Angela Rayner to that end
    Of course, things have moved on since then, and if Rayner has cold feet, Andy Burnham is unavailable and Wes Streeting is on the wrong wing of the party, then perhaps Miliband is now up for it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542
    My lay of SKS leaving this year (at 1.6) is a little less underwater again, but I'm looking to trade out between now and the Locals - unless I see some evidence that Lab will do better than expected (and I make a point of discounting all current seat numbers extrapolations on the basis that is is most likely a random walk).

    Fortunately it is fairly small.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,365
    Today is ANZAC day btw.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874
    nico67 said:

    If Labour aren’t to have a female leader then they should think out of the box and go for Al Carns .

    He could at least tell the plastic patriot Farage to go fxck himself .

    If Ed Miliband ends up as leader then Labour deserve to become extinct .

    Al Carns might be a really good Prime Minister for 2035 or so. Maybe. That he's being promoted now, and the response isn't hysterical laughter, is a sign of just how frivolous our politics has become.

    That's not to say he shouldn't be on our screens attracting NF as much as he can. Same goes for Burnham and the rest of them. One reason for all of this is that we have all let No 10 become the source and focus of everything, and then wondered why it keeps collapsing.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874

    The enemies of one flailing Prime Minister were characterised as "happy to wound, afraid to kill". It might have been the ones listed in John Major's Bastards Book From Ryman's, but it might have been Gordon Brown's. Or it might be a standard trope going back centuries.

    It still feels like that- and as long as supporters of Buggins don't want to risk Fuggins getting in, and vice versa, Muggins stays in place.

    It was noted that nearly all the many wounds inflicted on Caesar, by his assassins, were performative.
    Thank you. Unfortunately, I was educated at a comprehensive in the 1980s.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325

    nico67 said:

    If Labour aren’t to have a female leader then they should think out of the box and go for Al Carns .

    He could at least tell the plastic patriot Farage to go fxck himself .

    If Ed Miliband ends up as leader then Labour deserve to become extinct .

    Al Carns might be a really good Prime Minister for 2035 or so. Maybe. That he's being promoted now, and the response isn't hysterical laughter, is a sign of just how frivolous our politics has become.

    That's not to say he shouldn't be on our screens attracting NF as much as he can. Same goes for Burnham and the rest of them. One reason for all of this is that we have all let No 10 become the source and focus of everything, and then wondered why it keeps collapsing.
    I don’t think you needs years of experience as an MP to become PM .

    If Labour want a fresh start then I see no reason why Carns shouldn’t become leader .
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542
    edited April 25
    An interesting video:

    The Court of History: Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz speak with Alastair Campbell about the King's visit to the USA. Campbell gets a nice Scottish uppercut in when they call Charles the "King of England".

    (The introductions are a bit over-complimentary, but the conversation is wide-ranging and unalloyed.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPr-QsS3f0Q
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,587
    Foxy said:

    Andy.

    Not eligible.
    Indeed, as I noted in the header

    A lack of coronation I think bad news for Ed Miliband and Andy Burnham, who isn’t an MP which for somebody who wants to be Prime Minister is a bit like a eunuch wanting to be a porn star.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,268
    edited April 25
    Does the Labour party want another leader from the metropolitan elite when they have the choice of real northerners? It's replacing one failure with another.

    Talking about eunuchs. How about Khan for the lols when he meets Trump.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,915
    Replies from MAGA mooks saying IT IS AI or our hardworking dear leader deserves a nap. Still of the opinion that if Trump took a dump in the Lincoln Memorial on prime time, these people would still be making excuses.

    Don Winslow
    @donwinslow
    ·
    9h
    America 2026.

    This is not AI

    https://x.com/donwinslow/status/2047813826998075572?s=20
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828
    Why select someone already despised by the British commentators before they start? Someone else may at least enjoy a brief honeymoon.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,915

    Foxy said:

    Andy.

    Not eligible.
    Indeed, as I noted in the header

    A lack of coronation I think bad news for Ed Miliband and Andy Burnham, who isn’t an MP which for somebody who wants to be Prime Minister is a bit like a eunuch wanting to be a porn star.
    I am not of course an expert but I would be surprised if there isn't a eunuch-based genre of porn.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,501
    Battlebus said:

    Does the Labour party want another leader from the metropolitan elite when they have the choice of real northerners? It's replacing one failure with another.

    Talking about eunuchs. How about Khan for the lols when he meets Trump.

    If Trump were a eunuch, he wouldn't have done such things that have made him need to bomb the fuck out of Iran.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,183
    edited April 25
    Good morning

    It is incredible that less than 2 years from a landslide victory talk is all about replacing another leader

    I know not what labour will do but one thing is certain by mid may they either stick or twist
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,501
    'political coronations for the traditional big two parties are rare, the last proper one was Michael Howard in 2003.'

    Why would you say Brown in 2007 and Sunak in 2022 were not proper coronations?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    Off to the vineyard to check out this week’s frost damage.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,788
    edited April 25
    I know I keep banging on about this, but it's pointless changing Starmer until Labour picks an ideology (if that's the right word) - what are the problems facing the UK and how do we fix them. Miliband has an ideology - do lots of Green stuff, that'll fix things. Mahmood has an ideology - deport everybody who isn't Christian or Hindu, and how dare somebody call her a racist for saying that you dirty white liberal you. Streeting has an ideology - privatise things, that'll fix things!

    Miliband - Green Labour
    Mahmood - Blue Labour
    Streeting - New Labour

    To be honest, I'm not convinced by any of them, but in terms of the marketplace of ideas, that's what's on the table.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,788
    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    +1000
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,287
    edited April 25

    Why select someone already despised by the British commentators before they start? Someone else may at least enjoy a brief honeymoon.

    For about 3 seconds. There’s no point getting a leader designed to court the media because the histrionics are off the scale whoever it is.

    They need someone who can ignore all that and deliver something sensible for 3 years. And frankly that’s why binning Starmer is quite risky - he does at least have a dogged survival instinct, if nothing else.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,553
    edited April 25
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/ai-search-rogue-metropolitan-police-officers-f0jhbfzbn

    Palantir software finding hundreds of corruption cases in the Met.

    - it’s Palantir
    - They are picking a first target where few people will complain
    - Palantir will be selling that “if you let us lose on the whole countries data…”

    Obvious ref. Person Of Interest - The Machine delivers the first actionable intelligence

    https://youtu.be/jb6gJhsgj9c?t=118&si=5xei6QQKtNr-R-wy

    Palantir want to build Samaritan
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,587
    ydoethur said:

    'political coronations for the traditional big two parties are rare, the last proper one was Michael Howard in 2003.'

    Why would you say Brown in 2007 and Sunak in 2022 were not proper coronations?

    Because Sunak and Brown had the numbers, Howard did not, all that was there was a majority to oust IDS, Howard used the young cardinals prefer old popes argument.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,661
    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    Miliband certainly won't be crowned. I'm doubtful he'll be coronated either. Ending up as leader because someone's 4D chess made a wrong move, possible - the Badenoch scenario.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542
    edited April 25
    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    Brains Trust:

    Do we have any PB users of Proton Mail?

    What do you think?

    They are Western European based (Switzerland) and are now putting forward their offering as being less dependent on the USA, and have strong privacy protections.

    I do, but really know nothing of comparable advantage despite using it.

    Helpful comment i know.
    I was aware of it as end to end encrypted, but had always seen Hushmail (Canadian) as eg the choice of leakers, but which proved a little vulnerable to legal challenges under Canada-USA agreements around 2010.

    Switzerland seems to be a stronger jurisdiction.

    My history is that in the 1990s I went for Fastmail (Australian), then Yahoo Mail, then I was early on Gmail when it was introduction only because it was more secure at that time. If I recall Gmail was partly because that had an option for access from a Desktop client.

    Now I'm considering taking out US services where I can.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,587
    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,388
    Battlebus said:

    Does the Labour party want another leader from the metropolitan elite when they have the choice of real northerners? It's replacing one failure with another.

    Talking about eunuchs. How about Khan for the lols when he meets Trump.

    Who will also lose their seat to Reform in 2028/9

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,788
    dixiedean said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    It's literally gotten too much.
    But it's iconic!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,814
    Yesterday's man will lead us into the future, today!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,365

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    Now that the online Oxford dictionary won't keep me logged in for more than one episode of Countdown at a time, even with the keep me logged in box ticked, I am inclined to agree.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,244

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    Do you use it when you conversate?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,184

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/ai-search-rogue-metropolitan-police-officers-f0jhbfzbn

    Palantir software finding hundreds of corruption cases in the Met.

    - it’s Palantir
    - They are picking a first target where few people will complain
    - Palantir will be selling that “if you let us lose on the whole countries data…”

    Obvious ref. Person Of Interest - The Machine delivers the first actionable intelligence

    https://youtu.be/jb6gJhsgj9c?t=118&si=5xei6QQKtNr-R-wy

    Palantir want to build Samaritan

    Decent enough series. Jim Cavaziel is an interesting character. Appeared in that ITV dogshit Prisoner remake
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,184
    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's man will lead us into the future, today!

    Tomorrow belongs to Ed
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,867

    Battlebus said:

    Does the Labour party want another leader from the metropolitan elite when they have the choice of real northerners? It's replacing one failure with another.

    Talking about eunuchs. How about Khan for the lols when he meets Trump.

    Who will also lose their seat to Reform in 2028/9

    Looking at recent polling nearly all prospective Labour leaders are at threat that way.

    Maybe it will concentrate minds on opposing Reform rather than imitating them.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,501
    edited April 25

    ydoethur said:

    'political coronations for the traditional big two parties are rare, the last proper one was Michael Howard in 2003.'

    Why would you say Brown in 2007 and Sunak in 2022 were not proper coronations?

    Because Sunak and Brown had the numbers, Howard did not, all that was there was a majority to oust IDS, Howard used the young cardinals prefer old popes argument.
    Johnson also had the numbers against Sunak.

    Yes, I realise it's utterly insane to think he could have returned under the circumstances but they might well have tried. After all, they were insane to elect Truss.

    I think Johnson's withdrawal, even under pressure, means 2022 counts as a coronation.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542
    viewcode said:

    dixiedean said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    It's literally gotten too much.
    But it's iconic!
    Coronate has a very long history meaning "crowned" (ish), but not of Kings and coronations :

    Here is a citation from 1707:

    Here the verb “coronate” and the past participle “coronated” mean something more like topped or furnished with a corona, as in this 1707 citation from a work about the flora and fauna of Jamaica: “A round purplish knob … coronated by a long membrane.”

    Nuff said.

    * https://grammarphobia.com/blog/2009/09/a-crowning-moment.html
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,617
    I cut my losses on laying SKS to go this year yesterday.

    And Ed Miliband has lost none of his ambition, and is popular with MPs and members too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,587
    Taz said:

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/technology-uk/article/ai-search-rogue-metropolitan-police-officers-f0jhbfzbn

    Palantir software finding hundreds of corruption cases in the Met.

    - it’s Palantir
    - They are picking a first target where few people will complain
    - Palantir will be selling that “if you let us lose on the whole countries data…”

    Obvious ref. Person Of Interest - The Machine delivers the first actionable intelligence

    https://youtu.be/jb6gJhsgj9c?t=118&si=5xei6QQKtNr-R-wy

    Palantir want to build Samaritan

    Decent enough series. Jim Cavaziel is an interesting character. Appeared in that ITV dogshit Prisoner remake
    Played Jesus Christ too.

    As much I loved him in Person of Interest and The Passion of the Christ sadly he's properly drank the MAGA/QAnon kool-aid, normally I can ignore the politics of actors etc, but struggle here.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874
    kle4 said:

    Yesterday's man will lead us into the future, today!

    I wonder if that's part of what's going on.

    If the next Labour leader is chosen in 2027/8, a lot more people enter the list of possibles. Whereas the clock is beginning to tick very loudly for the ambitions of Burnham, EdM, possibly even Ange.

    I know... mad briefing driven by insane personal ambition... whodathunkit?
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited April 25

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,906
    Ed Miliband as Labour leader would see champagne corks popping at CCHQ and ReformHQ given he led Labour to humiliating defeat against the Conservatives in 2015 as Farage’s party surged. Rayner would also be a shift left and bring joy to Tories and the LDs I suspect. Polanski is the only one to be worried about those two.

    If they were the alternatives if I was Starmer I would stay put and refuse to go given I had led Labour to landslide victory in 2024 after 4 successive general election defeats. If Labour are second on seats and NEV in May to first placed Reform it would likely be Kemi going anyway not the PM
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,930
    Wondering what people think of 11 on the Greens in the Croydon mayoral election? Looks very tight between Con and Lab (both around evens) but I do wonder if there's space for the Greens to spring a surprise.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,587
    edited April 25
    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Theon Greyjoy is the correct term for a clean cut.

    As for eunuchs, no money shots.
  • Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Theon Greyjoy is the correct term for a clean cut.
    That’s actually rather good. A “Greyjoy” is a man with everything removed

    I love the sheer fecundity of the English language. A beautiful monster of a language that devours all the others, with barely a burp
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,906

    ydoethur said:

    'political coronations for the traditional big two parties are rare, the last proper one was Michael Howard in 2003.'

    Why would you say Brown in 2007 and Sunak in 2022 were not proper coronations?

    Because Sunak and Brown had the numbers, Howard did not, all that was there was a majority to oust IDS, Howard used the young cardinals prefer old popes argument.
    Howard did have the numbers, almost all Portillo 2001 and most Ken Clarke 2001 and even some IDS 2001 backers supported him over David Davis. Hence Davis did not challenge him in return for a top Shadow Cabinet job
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,640
    DavidL said:

    Each man's death diminishes me,
    That c-nt's death very much upminishes me.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,736
    edited April 25
    Well it looks like I might have a bad book now, predicated as it is on SKS not going until 2027. And I thought it was a good book too. I was getting almost cocky about it. But let's see. He'd go (kind of) voluntarily next year but if it's to be this summer he'll need to be forced out and that - forcing out a sitting, landslide winning Labour PM who is dead set against it - is no easy matter. It'll be brutal and messy and like most things that are brutal and messy it's quite easy for them to not happen. Certainly it hasn't happened until it has.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874

    Wondering what people think of 11 on the Greens in the Croydon mayoral election? Looks very tight between Con and Lab (both around evens) but I do wonder if there's space for the Greens to spring a surprise.

    This batch of elections is still FPTP, so stand by for at least one utterly mental result with someone ridiculous winning on a tiny percentage.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,451
    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Castrato possibly? Not sure the precise physical procedure they underwent
  • Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Castrato possibly? Not sure the precise physical procedure they underwent
    Same issue I think. They often just went for the gonads

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,493

    I cut my losses on laying SKS to go this year yesterday.

    And Ed Miliband has lost none of his ambition, and is popular with MPs and members too.

    I think he also has the self awareness, now, to realise he isn't ever winning an election - so its now or never...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,874
    kinabalu said:

    Well it looks like I might have a bad book now, predicated as it is on SKS not going until 2027. And I thought it was a good book too. I was getting almost cocky about it. But let's see. He'd go (kind of) voluntarily next year but if it's to be this summer he'll need to be forced out and that - forcing out a sitting, landslide winning Labour PM who is dead set against it - is no easy matter. It'll be brutal and messy and like most things that are brutal and messy it's quite easy for them to not happen. Certainly it hasn't happened until it has.

    Two ways that a PM goes.

    One is a sort of formal, judicial one. Some aspect of Mandygate makes his position untenable. We end the week where we started it- some smoke, a gun, Hodges excited, but no smoking gun. Yet.

    The other is the political herd. The cabinet gives up on him and says so. Stuff the rulebook, it's what did for Thatch and Boris. Could happen, but it requires the challengers to be at peace with not picking up the crown themselves. And that doesn't seem to be the situation. Yet.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,408
    Why the fuck should we end up with a PM Miliband that the voters have previously decisively rejected?

    Labour will get hammered for it.

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,640
    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    Looks like al-Qaeda has just taken over Mali. Cool.
  • Hear ye, hear ye!

    On this, the Feast Day of Saint Mark the Evangelist, the five-and-twentieth day of April, in the Fourth Year of the Reign of His Most Gracious Majesty Charles the Third

    That We, in the fullness of Our wisdom and with the counsel of @rcs1000 and @TSE proclaim thus: that within the bounds and marches of that most illustrious electronic commons known as politicalbetting.com, and from this very day forth unto the end of time or the general election victory of Mebyon Kernow, the wretched and most pitiable condition of a man bereft of both his cullions and his virile member shall be known by one word, and one word only:

    GREYJOY

    Let it be inscribed in the chancery rolls of Mike Smithson. Let it be entered into the lexicons of every PB thread, sub-thread, and comment by @stodge. Let those who post upon matters of by-elections, spread-betting, and the imminent demise of Skyr Toolmakersson take solemn note

    Fiat. Fiat. Fiat
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,268

    Looks like al-Qaeda has just taken over Mali. Cool.

    That's a blow. Some great music out of Mali.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,498
    edited April 25
    If there is a contest for Labour leader, then the easiest way to win it is to claim you are the leader that Keir Starmer said he was going to be when he was elected.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,814
    edited April 25
    Cyclefree said:

    Am absolutely sick of political parties foisting leaders on us. Labour did it with Brown and he was bloody useless. Then the Tories turned it into their hobby with May, Johnson (first time), Truss and Sunak. And now Milliband apparently. Well he's been rejected once by the voters. So he can piss off. As can Burnham and all the other wannabes.

    They should stick by the leader they've got. Tell him to implement the manifesto instead of a load of stuff they never mentioned (jury abolition, digital ID etc.,) and concentrate on (a) housing (b) helping the young - student loans, for one thing and (c) trying to be vaguely competent and honest.

    I don't have a problem with parties shifting leaders, as a principle. Nor for someone who lost once coming back, in fact I think that is to be encouraged, in theory. Not having a second chance is one reason we seem to require untested non-entities rise quickly, before they face any serious challenges to learn from.

    But they need to show a little more steel or no leader will be able to survive in the 24 hour news, social media fury age - we've not had a PM last more than just over 3 years for awhile, and whilst many deserved that, some of it seems to be down to how things just spiral and pressure never lets up in a way that was easier pre-internet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,736

    kinabalu said:

    Well it looks like I might have a bad book now, predicated as it is on SKS not going until 2027. And I thought it was a good book too. I was getting almost cocky about it. But let's see. He'd go (kind of) voluntarily next year but if it's to be this summer he'll need to be forced out and that - forcing out a sitting, landslide winning Labour PM who is dead set against it - is no easy matter. It'll be brutal and messy and like most things that are brutal and messy it's quite easy for them to not happen. Certainly it hasn't happened until it has.

    Two ways that a PM goes.

    One is a sort of formal, judicial one. Some aspect of Mandygate makes his position untenable. We end the week where we started it- some smoke, a gun, Hodges excited, but no smoking gun. Yet.

    The other is the political herd. The cabinet gives up on him and says so. Stuff the rulebook, it's what did for Thatch and Boris. Could happen, but it requires the challengers to be at peace with not picking up the crown themselves. And that doesn't seem to be the situation. Yet.
    Yes. And the 2nd is where the danger lurks for him now. He won't be resigning over Mandelson.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,814
    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,498
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Castrato possibly? Not sure the precise physical procedure they underwent
    Same issue I think. They often just went for the gonads

    As one of my sports teachers said at school, "you have the ball control of a eunuch".
  • kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    And Our Ange is said to be keen on reversing the Mahmood changes, and kicking out the Home Sec

    Basically Labour are doing everything they possibly can to deliver a Reform government

    In other news the FT has a new Saturday “lunch with” article today (where they lunch with a notable person and chat about the food and the notable person and their views: an oddly excellent format)

    This weekend it’s Lord Chagos Hermer, the controversial Attorney General. The comments below the line are brutal and contemptuous of Hermer, so much so that one FT journalist tried to wade in and complain about the rage and hatred and change the tone, but he failed, and so they’ve closed comments completely. Before noon on the day of publication

    And this is the FT! Not the Telegraph. The anger and disgust now directed at Labour is, I think, unprecedented
  • viewcode said:

    I know I keep banging on about this, but it's pointless changing Starmer until Labour picks an ideology (if that's the right word) - what are the problems facing the UK and how do we fix them. Miliband has an ideology - do lots of Green stuff, that'll fix things. Mahmood has an ideology - deport everybody who isn't Christian or Hindu, and how dare somebody call her a racist for saying that you dirty white liberal you. Streeting has an ideology - privatise things, that'll fix things!

    Miliband - Green Labour
    Mahmood - Blue Labour
    Streeting - New Labour

    To be honest, I'm not convinced by any of them, but in terms of the marketplace of ideas, that's what's on the table.

    This is why I’ve reluctantly had to agree that Starmer must quit.

    Initially I thought not being wedded would make him more able to take what works. But the truth is he has nothing guiding him. No curiosity. No interest.

    He is completely stuck.
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    And Our Ange is said to be keen on reversing the Mahmood changes, and kicking out the Home Sec

    Basically Labour are doing everything they possibly can to deliver a Reform government

    In other news the FT has a new Saturday “lunch with” article today (where they lunch with a notable person and chat about the food and the notable person and their views: an oddly excellent format)

    This weekend it’s Lord Chagos Hermer, the controversial Attorney General. The comments below the line are brutal and contemptuous of Hermer, so much so that one FT journalist tried to wade in and complain about the rage and hatred and change the tone, but he failed, and so they’ve closed comments completely. Before noon on the day of publication

    And this is the FT! Not the Telegraph. The anger and disgust now directed at Labour is, I think, unprecedented
    Following on from this, I wonder if Labour are in for a kind of electoral shellacking we have never seen before, this coming May 7

    The loathing is off the dial. And if you’re angry about Labour there are now two viable alternatives - Reform and Greens (taking the role of the SNP when they destroyed Labour in Scotland)

    This is a very bad place for the Labour Party. That poll showing them FIFTH in Wales might not be an outlier
  • I cut my losses on laying SKS to go this year yesterday.

    And Ed Miliband has lost none of his ambition, and is popular with MPs and members too.

    Seemingly everyone who thought Sir Keir would tough it out has changed their mind. Which says a lot.

    I am now extremely confident he will go very soon.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,184
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    And Our Ange is said to be keen on reversing the Mahmood changes, and kicking out the Home Sec

    Basically Labour are doing everything they possibly can to deliver a Reform government

    In other news the FT has a new Saturday “lunch with” article today (where they lunch with a notable person and chat about the food and the notable person and their views: an oddly excellent format)

    This weekend it’s Lord Chagos Hermer, the controversial Attorney General. The comments below the line are brutal and contemptuous of Hermer, so much so that one FT journalist tried to wade in and complain about the rage and hatred and change the tone, but he failed, and so they’ve closed comments completely. Before noon on the day of publication

    And this is the FT! Not the Telegraph. The anger and disgust now directed at Labour is, I think, unprecedented
    The ILR changes some in favour viscerally oppose.

    It’s only taxpayers money after all
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 5,112
    Cyclefree said:



    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Theon Greyjoy is the correct term for a clean cut.
    That’s actually rather good. A “Greyjoy” is a man with everything removed

    I love the sheer fecundity of the English language. A beautiful monster of a language that devours all the others, with barely a burp
    I thought a man with everything removed was a woman? Or has PB finally understood that a man with his bits removed is still a man.

    ** Sips her very good strong coffee while laughing quietly to herself **
    Needlessly cruel, and very wrong.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,867
    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    Well yes, that is why being Reform-lite is doing Labour no good in the polls.

    It doesn't ring true.

    It isn't performatively cruel enough.

    And there is the real thing available.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,640
    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:



    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Theon Greyjoy is the correct term for a clean cut.
    That’s actually rather good. A “Greyjoy” is a man with everything removed

    I love the sheer fecundity of the English language. A beautiful monster of a language that devours all the others, with barely a burp
    I thought a man with everything removed was a woman? Or has PB finally understood that a man with his bits removed is still a man.

    ** Sips her very good strong coffee while laughing quietly to herself **
    Needlessly cruel, and very wrong.
    One of my school reports. Verbatim.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,202
    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:



    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Theon Greyjoy is the correct term for a clean cut.
    That’s actually rather good. A “Greyjoy” is a man with everything removed

    I love the sheer fecundity of the English language. A beautiful monster of a language that devours all the others, with barely a burp
    I thought a man with everything removed was a woman? Or has PB finally understood that a man with his bits removed is still a man.

    ** Sips her very good strong coffee while laughing quietly to herself **
    Needlessly cruel, and very wrong.
    No, she is correct. If a man loses an arm they are still a man.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,202
    edited April 25
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    Well yes, that is why being Reform-lite is doing Labour no good in the polls.

    It doesn't ring true.

    It isn't performatively cruel enough.

    And there is the real thing available.
    I've not yet heard how Labour plan to make the country better. They had nothing during the ming vase election campaign beyond being 'not Tory'. I hoped there was a plan to grow the economy. I hoped there would be a plan for changing the model if healthcare to match our European neighbours who have better outcomes. I thought they might smash the gangs.*


    *That's a lie - I never believed they would smash the gangs.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,804

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Castrato possibly? Not sure the precise physical procedure they underwent
    Same issue I think. They often just went for the gonads

    As one of my sports teachers said at school, "you have the ball control of a eunuch".
    Would almost certainly be dismissed for that if said nowadays.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,249
    nico67 said:

    If Labour aren’t to have a female leader then they should think out of the box and go for Al Carns .

    He could at least tell the plastic patriot Farage to go fxck himself .

    If Ed Miliband ends up as leader then Labour deserve to become extinct .

    It shouldn't be about optics. Who have you got who actually has a great plan to get the UK back on its feet, and the brains and the balls to potentially make it happen? There's nobody. Al Carns is a drone.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,249

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Castrato possibly? Not sure the precise physical procedure they underwent
    Same issue I think. They often just went for the gonads

    As one of my sports teachers said at school, "you have the ball control of a eunuch".
    Would almost certainly be dismissed for that if said nowadays.
    I am with Melon on "coronated" - it sounds stupid. See also obligated. Learn the language.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Castrato possibly? Not sure the precise physical procedure they underwent
    Same issue I think. They often just went for the gonads

    As one of my sports teachers said at school, "you have the ball control of a eunuch".
    Would almost certainly be dismissed for that if said nowadays.
    I am with Melon on "coronated" - it sounds stupid. See also obligated. Learn the language.
    You have completely retardataire views on matters linguistic
  • Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    Well yes, that is why being Reform-lite is doing Labour no good in the polls.

    It doesn't ring true.

    It isn't performatively cruel enough.

    And there is the real thing available.
    I've not yet heard how Labour plan to make the country better. They had nothing during the ming vase election campaign beyond being 'not Tory'. I hoped there was a plan to grow the economy. I hoped there would be a plan for changing the model if healthcare to match our European neighbours who have better outcomes. I thought they might smash the gangs.*


    *That's a lie - I never believed they would smash the gangs.
    To be fair, boat crossings are way down this year so far. Not because of anything Skyr did, more the closure of routes into mainland Europe from Africa and Asia

    But the damage is done and the perception is cemented. And the British people don’t just want the boats to stop, they want quite a lot of people already here to go away ASAFP
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,915
    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    On topic... it's hard to see Ed M developing into a coronating situation. Labour show no signs of halting their headlong pursuit of Fukker votes and Ed M, being the human embodiment of Net Zero, is Belphagor to the vaping class.

    Labour have been going after the Fukker vote? I must have missed that, apart from the Mahmood stuff which I feel must be ineffective because they give the impression of doing it very reluctantly and with most of the membership hating her.
    Starmer’s ‘island of strangers’ guff was pretty Fukkery, though his habitual ineffectiveness in delivery probably blunted it.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    We've seen polling on the opinion of Labour members towards cabinet figures but what about the public as a whole. Where do voters stand on Mahmood and Miliband?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Dura_Ace said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Cyclefree said:



    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    MelonB said:

    On topic, please can we ban the word “coronated” and apply the usual Con Home sin bin sanction for anyone using it?

    I like the word coronated.

    The language of Shakespeare evolves and needs no protection, apart from people misuse/incorrectly use/do not use apostrophes.
    I too like “coronated”, it has a very specific meaning which fits here: to be awarded the title of ruler without the normal process. There is no other word in English which performs this task, coronated does. Case closed

    However I am concerned by your use of “eunuch”. Generally a eunuch is a man with his testicles removed, so he cannot impregnate ladies. It is quite possible to be a eunuch and have a penis and still “get it up” - ergo a eunuch COULD be a porn star, just a slightly odd one. Maybe his lack of cullions would be his USP - “meat and no veg”, something like that

    Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be an English word for a man who has had the “clean cut” - tho the Chinese have one - “huanguan”. Perhaps PB can devise the right and fitting term

    Theon Greyjoy is the correct term for a clean cut.
    That’s actually rather good. A “Greyjoy” is a man with everything removed

    I love the sheer fecundity of the English language. A beautiful monster of a language that devours all the others, with barely a burp
    I thought a man with everything removed was a woman? Or has PB finally understood that a man with his bits removed is still a man.

    ** Sips her very good strong coffee while laughing quietly to herself **
    Needlessly cruel, and very wrong.
    One of my school reports. Verbatim.
    And one senses you aren't the slightest bit ashamed.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,691

    The enemies of one flailing Prime Minister were characterised as "happy to wound, afraid to kill". It might have been the ones listed in John Major's Bastards Book From Ryman's, but it might have been Gordon Brown's. Or it might be a standard trope going back centuries.

    It still feels like that- and as long as supporters of Buggins don't want to risk Fuggins getting in, and vice versa, Muggins stays in place.

    Pope's Epistle to Dr Arbuthnot.
    Willing to wound, and yet afraid to strike,
    Just hint a fault, and hesitate dislike...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,691

    The enemies of one flailing Prime Minister were characterised as "happy to wound, afraid to kill". It might have been the ones listed in John Major's Bastards Book From Ryman's, but it might have been Gordon Brown's. Or it might be a standard trope going back centuries.

    It still feels like that- and as long as supporters of Buggins don't want to risk Fuggins getting in, and vice versa, Muggins stays in place.

    It was noted that nearly all the many wounds inflicted on Caesar, by his assassins, were performative.
    Was that, though, not intended to display participation and responsibility, rather than avoid it ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,365
    Battlebus said:

    Looks like al-Qaeda has just taken over Mali. Cool.

    That's a blow. Some great music out of Mali.
    It was the Taliban that banned music, not Al Qaeda. ISIS too. No wonder Cameron did not know which of them to fight for.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,691
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    If Labour aren’t to have a female leader then they should think out of the box and go for Al Carns .

    He could at least tell the plastic patriot Farage to go fxck himself .

    If Ed Miliband ends up as leader then Labour deserve to become extinct .

    Al Carns might be a really good Prime Minister for 2035 or so. Maybe. That he's being promoted now, and the response isn't hysterical laughter, is a sign of just how frivolous our politics has become.

    That's not to say he shouldn't be on our screens attracting NF as much as he can. Same goes for Burnham and the rest of them. One reason for all of this is that we have all let No 10 become the source and focus of everything, and then wondered why it keeps collapsing.
    I don’t think you needs years of experience as an MP to become PM .

    If Labour want a fresh start then I see no reason why Carns shouldn’t become leader .
    He would represent an enormous gamble, though.
    What evidence is there that he'd actually be any good at it ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,365
    OT for PB's pro wordsmiths:-

    TikTok launches BookTok bestseller list
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxmy5gnd0o

    Top 20 all women; some older books; often romantasy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,184

    OT for PB's pro wordsmiths:-

    TikTok launches BookTok bestseller list
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxmy5gnd0o

    Top 20 all women; some older books; often romantasy.

    All women. The beeb will be wetting themselves over that
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