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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    No doubt wired will soon be banned in the UK.
    If those images are illegal we're all off to hookey tbh.
    Those images are clearly not illegal. I think Malmesbury has gotten the wrong end of the stick.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    PMQs in 10 minutes. I wonder what Kemi will ask about.

    Potholes, surely?
  • MelonB said:

    But not sure of the politics of this announcement. Doesn’t it just highlight to people who hadn’t noticed that the Greens have lots of bonkers policies?

    I suspect some people think, apparently with good reason, minor parties with bonkers policies tend to water them down a bit when there is an actual chance of becoming a major party.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733

    PMQs in 10 minutes. I wonder what Kemi will ask about.

    She should go with the Robbins sacking. She probably won't.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Once a conviction is spent it won't show up on a background check unless applying to work with children or a very sensitive job dealing with security issues etc
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    Sky just ran their YG MRP for London, details should be online shortly
    Vote shares were

    Lab 26
    Grn 22
    Con 17
    LD 15
    Ref 14

    Honestly expected Reform to do better than that
    It has them in the lead on votes in 3 councils - Barking, Havering and Bromley.
    LDs in 4 - the 3 they hold plus Merton
    Greens in 4 (Hackney, Lewisham plus another 2)
    Tories in 5 - Hillingdon, Harrow, Kensington, Bexley and Barnet
    1 TCTC (Croydon i think)
    Other 16 Labour
    That's councils in which the party is in the lead, but it's not necessarily a majority. How many of those end up NOC will be interesting!
    YouGovs page has 7 Labour, 4 Tory, 3 LD and 1 Ref as 'clear lead' rather than competitive
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498
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    PMQs in 10 minutes. I wonder what Kemi will ask about.

    She should go with the Robbins sacking. She probably won't.
    She should ask if the PM was not told of the special debate. Or whether the notice didn’t cross his desk.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Why would the police decide any of those images are of an illegal nature? Why are you raising this point about the Emily Hart case, an AI-generated simulacrum of an adult woman?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    edited April 22

    So we’re just full on Boris Johnson territory now.

    What a fucking travesty this has all turned out to be.

    Shagging parties?!

    ETA I did think that I was replying to MexPedro
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Once a conviction is spent it won't show up on a background check unless applying to work with children or a very sensitive job dealing with security issues etc
    The arrest itself will appear on a number of background checks.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Once a conviction is spent it won't show up on a background check unless applying to work with children or a very sensitive job dealing with security issues etc
    Or if you want to go to the States. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 doesn't, for instance, count for US Visas or Visa wavers.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,168

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    But still be eligible to be the Ambassador to the USA.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Why would the police decide any of those images are of an illegal nature? Why are you raising this point about the Emily Hart case, an AI-generated simulacrum of an adult woman?
    Why would the police do any number of wacky things?

    They have acted in such ways in the past.

    And that is before malevolence on their part comes into it. See Forest Gate…

    I would advise extreme caution.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    There was a fundamental dishonesty involved, which is what makes it a grift. The people he was selling to thought they were buying photos from a real woman, and so they were deceived.

    Now, to a certain extent, if the photos were sold by a real woman there could still be an element of grift, in that the people buying photos would be encouraged to believe that they were doing so as part of a relationship with the seller. A lot of these sorts of para-social relationships between content creators and their customers can be a bit problematic, leading to issues at both ends.
    But what is the intrinsic difference between buying photos of a real woman vs a simulacrum? You are still just getting an image.
    Its an interesting thought. Would an AI image a child porn be legal, bit not a photo of real child porn (clearly not).
    IANAL (thank god) but would assume the the offence of possession of an image is unaffected but that creation of an AI image may be different
  • boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    One of my jury service cases was about possession of CSA material. The guilty verdict was clearly justified on the evidence and on the wording of the law as it stands, and I had no qualm with it in that case, but it is shocking just how easy it is to be guilty of the "making" of an image and how ill suited the law is to the digital world we live in now.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    The Downing Street Cat will be called to give evidence tomorrow

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2046898033149759938


    Cat Little, the permanent secretary at the cabinet office, is appearing before the foreign affairs select committee tomorrow

    She has been at the heart of the Whitehall clash between the Foreign Office and the Cabinet Office

    She obtained the vetting report on Lord Mandelson on March 25 and three weeks later, after taking extensive legal advice, informed the prime minister

    She is said to have been frustrated in getting information for the Humble Address on Mandelson out of the Foreign Office

    Expect her to offer a counterpoint to the evidence provided by Robbins on Tuesday

    She will also be fascinating on the next tranche of the Mandelson files
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    HYUFD said:

    Sky just ran their YG MRP for London, details should be online shortly
    Vote shares were

    Lab 26
    Grn 22
    Con 17
    LD 15
    Ref 14

    Honestly expected Reform to do better than that
    Beyond the outer suburbs Reform won't win in London and they don't need to either. London is likely to be the best result for the Tories in May as it is the only UK region the Tories will likely still beat Reform so they will then be the main gainers from Labour. Hence it has the Tories picking up Barnet and holding all their other London councils except Bromley
    That doesn't look like the Tories "will then be the main gainers from Labour". That's predicting the Greens being the main gainers from Labour.
    Not in Tory held seats in 2022 in the suburbs and wealthy West London which went Labour, those are the main Tory London target seats. So an entirely different pond from formerly safe Labour inner London seats the Greens are targeting
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Reeves not looking too good sat behind Starmer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Foss said:

    Sky just ran their YG MRP for London, details should be online shortly
    Vote shares were

    Lab 26
    Grn 22
    Con 17
    LD 15
    Ref 14

    There's also a new Senedd MRP here. It has Labour on 13%.
    I've looked at the Senedd mRP link you provided. It's...awful for the legacy parties. Labour might be the junior partner in a PC-Lab coalition. The Conservatives won't have enough members for a group. The LDs will have one member.

    As for the newer ones, Reform will have a plurality at 37 (49 needed for a majority), Green rise from 0 to seven members, and Plaid will have 36.

    Only plausible majority solution is PC+Lab+Lib=36+12+1=49, assuming PC+Ref is implausible. PC+Lab =48 which would work for a while. Minority administrations by Ref or PC possible

    But the takeaway from this is Labour (nominal) losing 32 out of 44 members. That is as bad for Labour in Wales as the Scottish realignment in the 2010s. How do they recover from this?

    Olympus has fallen
    On the bright side for Labour, Plaid and the SNP will have to beg them for support to get power and legislation through and keep Reform out in Scotland and Wales as neither will win a majority. Indeed in Scotland the latest MiC poll has the SNP even failing to have a majority with the Greens
    Neither will 'beg' labour for support

    Plaid has made it clear they will govern as a minority government if necessary

    You do not seem to understand how toxic labour are in Wales
    Then of course Labour can with other opposition parties vote down Plaid legislation in the Senedd
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Q1: Matthew Doyle. Hello...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    That would be your chances of becoming HM Ambassador to the USA scuppered, as well.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Why would the police decide any of those images are of an illegal nature? Why are you raising this point about the Emily Hart case, an AI-generated simulacrum of an adult woman?
    Why would the police do any number of wacky things?

    They have acted in such ways in the past.

    And that is before malevolence on their part comes into it. See Forest Gate…

    I would advise extreme caution.
    About what? The NY Post article, which you are commenting on, contains an AI-generated image of a fake adult woman in a bikini. People do not need to be cautious about those sorts of images. There is nothing borderline or concerning here. I remain unclear why you are repeatedly posting dire warnings in this case...?????
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 629
    chortle
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sky just ran their YG MRP for London, details should be online shortly
    Vote shares were

    Lab 26
    Grn 22
    Con 17
    LD 15
    Ref 14

    Honestly expected Reform to do better than that
    Beyond the outer suburbs Reform won't win in London and they don't need to either. London is likely to be the best result for the Tories in May as it is the only UK region the Tories will likely still beat Reform so they will then be the main gainers from Labour. Hence it has the Tories picking up Barnet and holding all their other London councils except Bromley
    That doesn't look like the Tories "will then be the main gainers from Labour". That's predicting the Greens being the main gainers from Labour.
    Not in Tory held seats in 2022 in the suburbs and wealthy West London which went Labour, those are the main Tory London target seats. So an entirely different pond from formerly safe Labour inner London seats the Greens are targeting
    So, in the seats where the Tories should do well, the Tories will do well.

    Not certain that's particularly insightful, but, sure, it's true.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    Foss said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Once a conviction is spent it won't show up on a background check unless applying to work with children or a very sensitive job dealing with security issues etc
    Or if you want to go to the States. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 doesn't, for instance, count for US Visas or Visa wavers.
    Even then only crimes involving moral turpitude eg violent crime, property crime, fraud and arson and bribery block entry to the US after disclosure
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Foss said:

    Sky just ran their YG MRP for London, details should be online shortly
    Vote shares were

    Lab 26
    Grn 22
    Con 17
    LD 15
    Ref 14

    There's also a new Senedd MRP here. It has Labour on 13%.
    I've looked at the Senedd mRP link you provided. It's...awful for the legacy parties. Labour might be the junior partner in a PC-Lab coalition. The Conservatives won't have enough members for a group. The LDs will have one member.

    As for the newer ones, Reform will have a plurality at 37 (49 needed for a majority), Green rise from 0 to seven members, and Plaid will have 36.

    Only plausible majority solution is PC+Lab+Lib=36+12+1=49, assuming PC+Ref is implausible. PC+Lab =48 which would work for a while. Minority administrations by Ref or PC possible

    But the takeaway from this is Labour (nominal) losing 32 out of 44 members. That is as bad for Labour in Wales as the Scottish realignment in the 2010s. How do they recover from this?

    Olympus has fallen
    On the bright side for Labour, Plaid and the SNP will have to beg them for support to get power and legislation through and keep Reform out in Scotland and Wales as neither will win a majority. Indeed in Scotland the latest MiC poll has the SNP even failing to have a majority with the Greens
    Neither will 'beg' labour for support

    Plaid has made it clear they will govern as a minority government if necessary

    You do not seem to understand how toxic labour are in Wales
    Then of course Labour can with other opposition parties vote down Plaid legislation in the Senedd
    If they do that against the wishes of the Welsh people, they will become even more toxic.
  • The only thing Starmer has done correctly is saying he was wrong to appoint Mandelson and he is sorry. But for that he really should have quit.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Kemi going at Starmer like a KC. Quietly. At a measured pace. Detailed.

    Shish kebab for lunch
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Once a conviction is spent it won't show up on a background check unless applying to work with children or a very sensitive job dealing with security issues etc
    The arrest itself will appear on a number of background checks.
    Only if an enhanced background check, once spent an arrest won't show up on a standard background check either
  • This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    There was a fundamental dishonesty involved, which is what makes it a grift. The people he was selling to thought they were buying photos from a real woman, and so they were deceived.

    Now, to a certain extent, if the photos were sold by a real woman there could still be an element of grift, in that the people buying photos would be encouraged to believe that they were doing so as part of a relationship with the seller. A lot of these sorts of para-social relationships between content creators and their customers can be a bit problematic, leading to issues at both ends.
    But what is the intrinsic difference between buying photos of a real woman vs a simulacrum? You are still just getting an image.
    Its an interesting thought. Would an AI image a child porn be legal, bit not a photo of real child porn (clearly not).
    IANAL (thank god) but would assume the the offence of possession of an image is unaffected but that creation of an AI image may be different
    IANAL either but I believe opening an image on your browser is "making an image" - that's why you often get news strories saying "made 10,000s of pictures"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Foss said:

    Sky just ran their YG MRP for London, details should be online shortly
    Vote shares were

    Lab 26
    Grn 22
    Con 17
    LD 15
    Ref 14

    There's also a new Senedd MRP here. It has Labour on 13%.
    I've looked at the Senedd mRP link you provided. It's...awful for the legacy parties. Labour might be the junior partner in a PC-Lab coalition. The Conservatives won't have enough members for a group. The LDs will have one member.

    As for the newer ones, Reform will have a plurality at 37 (49 needed for a majority), Green rise from 0 to seven members, and Plaid will have 36.

    Only plausible majority solution is PC+Lab+Lib=36+12+1=49, assuming PC+Ref is implausible. PC+Lab =48 which would work for a while. Minority administrations by Ref or PC possible

    But the takeaway from this is Labour (nominal) losing 32 out of 44 members. That is as bad for Labour in Wales as the Scottish realignment in the 2010s. How do they recover from this?

    Olympus has fallen
    On the bright side for Labour, Plaid and the SNP will have to beg them for support to get power and legislation through and keep Reform out in Scotland and Wales as neither will win a majority. Indeed in Scotland the latest MiC poll has the SNP even failing to have a majority with the Greens
    Neither will 'beg' labour for support

    Plaid has made it clear they will govern as a minority government if necessary

    You do not seem to understand how toxic labour are in Wales
    Then of course Labour can with other opposition parties vote down Plaid legislation in the Senedd
    If they do that against the wishes of the Welsh people, they will become even more toxic.
    If Plaid fail to win a majority, then clearly nothing against the wishes of the Welsh people for opposition parties to block their legislation
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Hey @HYUFD can you have a word through the party machinery. When Kemi slows down, goes methodically after the issue with facts and addresses Big Issues she is brutal. A massive contrast to when she bangs away at pace and growing hysteria about some culture war nonsense.

    Genuinely the best I have *ever* seen her at the dispatch box. She's tearing Starmer apart.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Kemi doing well but not getting very far with 'park the bus' Starmer.

    Hope his side can still sleep at nights.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,113
    edited April 22

    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    This is the thing that people can’t or won’t understand.

    Starmer took a calculated risk (McSweeney doing the job) to appoint a dodgy man who they thought would get along with Trump.

    The risk failed and for that Starmer should have accepted he got it wrong (which to be fair he did) and resigned. But people are in my view reading into it a lot more than that.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331

    Kemi doing well but not getting very far with 'park the bus' Starmer.

    Hope his side can still sleep at nights.

    Listen to the silence behind Starmer.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834

    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    He doesn't seem to know his own mind unless somebody comes and spells it out to him.

    He read the report mentioning Mandelson being a director of Sistema but nobody told him about the red flags? It's incredible, to use Starmer's own words.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Wowsers. Starmer thinks this is a question of judgement. Not his. Hers...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    This is the thing that people can’t or won’t understand.

    Starmer took a calculated risk (McSweeney doing the job) to appoint a dodgy man who they thought would get along with Trump.

    The risk failed and for that Starmer should have accepted he got it wrong (which to be fair he did) and resigned. But people are in my view reading into it a lot more than that.
    There's a bit "dodgy" and there's a clear and present full on danger to national security.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834

    Wowsers. Starmer thinks this is a question of judgement. Not his. Hers...

    He's lost confidence in the leader of the opposition and will be advising the King to get rid of her.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited April 22

    The Downing Street Cat will be called to give evidence tomorrow

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2046898033149759938


    Cat Little, the permanent secretary at the cabinet office, is appearing before the foreign affairs select committee tomorrow

    She has been at the heart of the Whitehall clash between the Foreign Office and the Cabinet Office

    She obtained the vetting report on Lord Mandelson on March 25 and three weeks later, after taking extensive legal advice, informed the prime minister

    She is said to have been frustrated in getting information for the Humble Address on Mandelson out of the Foreign Office

    Expect her to offer a counterpoint to the evidence provided by Robbins on Tuesday

    She will also be fascinating on the next tranche of the Mandelson files

    Your joking, not another one..

    Guido can reveal that Cabinet Office permanent secretary Cat Little is due to leave her role.
    https://order-order.com/2026/04/22/exc-cabinet-office-permanent-secretary-in-discussions-to-leave-government-role/

    caveat emptor
  • Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    This is the thing that people can’t or won’t understand.

    Starmer took a calculated risk (McSweeney doing the job) to appoint a dodgy man who they thought would get along with Trump.

    The risk failed and for that Starmer should have accepted he got it wrong (which to be fair he did) and resigned. But people are in my view reading into it a lot more than that.
    There's a bit "dodgy" and there's a clear and present full on danger to national security.
    Well yes. But again all of that was surely pretty clear at the time - and as I’ve said before a lot of people went along with it.

    Starmer made a very bad call in hindsight and as I’ve said should have immediately resigned for that alone. But it was a calculated risk to deal with Trump, that much is obvious.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,024

    Wowsers. Starmer thinks this is a question of judgement. Not his. Hers...

    He's lost confidence in the leader of the opposition and will be advising the King to get rid of her.
    Well everyone does know that Farage is the real leader of the opposition at the moment
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    edited April 22
    Starmer says so many words like a broken robot: soobsequently
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    HYUFD said:

    Foss said:

    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    Do you think the creator made her look purposefully so young to appeal to a demographic of Magas? Quite grim.
    Warning notice

    Under UK law images which are generated but represent such illegal activity, are a criminal offence to possess.

    If you open one, then it’s probably cached on your computer/device.

    People have lost jobs and gone to prison for such.
    It’s the images from the wired article which was linked by TSE.
    Yes.

    But if the police decide that such an image is of an illegal nature, you could end up in court.

    And you will then fail background checks, even if found innocent. Possibly for life.

    Enjoy.
    Once a conviction is spent it won't show up on a background check unless applying to work with children or a very sensitive job dealing with security issues etc
    Or if you want to go to the States. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 doesn't, for instance, count for US Visas or Visa wavers.
    Even then only crimes involving moral turpitude eg violent crime, property crime, fraud and arson and bribery block entry to the US after disclosure
    Even the President of the USA has a criminal record
  • Starmer somehow thinks he can just move on. He must know deep down he’s never going to lead another general election campaign.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    edited April 22

    Starmer somehow thinks he can just move on. He must know deep down he’s never going to lead another general election campaign.

    No doubt but he probably thinks he can get another couple of years in Downing Street.

    No one else in the country thinks so.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,945
    edited April 22

    I am old and out of date, and my last job application (other than internal promotion) was over 20 years ago. This story interested me and some of you can throw light on it.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy915dylnqpo

    See this bit "Since late February, Karyna has been applying daily, often to around 20 roles a day, while balancing studies, work and running a small business upcycling vintage blazers."

    When I was applying for jobs I would take time to make sure my application was right for the post - what were they looking for, what evidence am I providing that I can do the role etc.

    Now I suppose things are different and these may be simple online applications, but maybe she's doing something wrong too?

    From the BBC piece linked: She is currently completing a masters at Cardiff University in governance and devolution.

    I think I begin to understand why she is unemployable.
    I doubt she would have this problem if her chosen subject was say maths.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411
    Good afternoon everybody.

    Starmer's situation is a classic example of someone who rarely makes an error not understanding what to do when they do make one, especially a bad one. He's thrashing about, making boo-boo after boo-boo in his attempt to extricate himself from the situation.
    Johnson knew what to do in such a situation; just lie 'innocently' and ignore the problem; Starmer doesn't, and is therefore making increasing desperate attempts to return to the status quo ante.
    Sadly for him, and perhaps all of us, his only choice now is to hold his hands up, admit he's made an almighty mess, and throw himself upon the mercy of the House, the Press and the Party. The Party and the House might forgive him if he did that; the Tory press of course won't.
    I still think Thornberry might b a decent fort-holder while the situation calms down.
  • Starmer somehow thinks he can just move on. He must know deep down he’s never going to lead another general election campaign.

    No doubt but he probably thinks he can get another couple of years in Downing Street.

    No one else in the country thinks so.
    Two years in Downing Street is at the upper end. But a year is extremely plausible.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    edited April 22

    The Downing Street Cat will be called to give evidence tomorrow

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2046898033149759938


    Cat Little, the permanent secretary at the cabinet office, is appearing before the foreign affairs select committee tomorrow

    She has been at the heart of the Whitehall clash between the Foreign Office and the Cabinet Office

    She obtained the vetting report on Lord Mandelson on March 25 and three weeks later, after taking extensive legal advice, informed the prime minister

    She is said to have been frustrated in getting information for the Humble Address on Mandelson out of the Foreign Office

    Expect her to offer a counterpoint to the evidence provided by Robbins on Tuesday

    She will also be fascinating on the next tranche of the Mandelson files

    I want to hear from Sir Olly’s predecessor, Sir Phil

    Why did he quit when he could have been refusing to vet Mandy?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2046908141774758025

    Keir Starmer confirms that he attempted to secure his former director of communications Matthew Doyle an ambassadorship

    Sir Olly Robbins said he was asked by Number 10 to look into options without telling David Lammy, the then foreign secretary. He said he found it 'uncomfortable' because Doyle did not have the credentials to become an ambassador

    Starmer subsequently elevated Doyle to the Lords. He has had the whip suspended after it emerged that he had supported a sex offender post charge

    Starmer: 'Matthew Doyle worked for many years in public service for me as PM and other ministers. When people leave roles there are often conversations about other roles, but nothing came of this'
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,162

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.

    Another abortive coup ?
    A Burnham coup to the advantage of Burnham (ie becoming PM) requires a few imponderables, and without thinking them through remains either useless or only to the benefit of someone else.

    Vacant seat
    Being nominated
    Winning it
    Getting enough MPs to back you
    Winning the subsequent battle in which Burnham's ego is faced by other egos.

    Also: ensuring the PM doesn't time a resignation to forestall you.

    Each stage reduces the chance and increases the odds. The current 8/1 is too short. Can Roger outline the plan? I can't see it happening successfully.

    It would be quite funny if Burnham resigns as Mayor to run for parliament and the next day Starmer resigns and sets the timeline so it is before Burnham is elected
    I would imagine that Starmer would want Labour to do well after he's gone, so if he decides to go he may well help rather than hinder Burnham. Is that being naive?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited April 22

    Good afternoon everybody.

    Starmer's situation is a classic example of someone who rarely makes an error not understanding what to do when they do make one, especially a bad one. He's thrashing about, making boo-boo after boo-boo in his attempt to extricate himself from the situation.
    Johnson knew what to do in such a situation; just lie 'innocently' and ignore the problem; Starmer doesn't, and is therefore making increasing desperate attempts to return to the status quo ante.
    Sadly for him, and perhaps all of us, his only choice now is to hold his hands up, admit he's made an almighty mess, and throw himself upon the mercy of the House, the Press and the Party. The Party and the House might forgive him if he did that; the Tory press of course won't.
    I still think Thornberry might b a decent fort-holder while the situation calms down.

    Not sure "rarely makes an error". Although he loves to boast about his time as DPP, there were plenty of mistakes, none of which ever hit of his desk of course. The story of an amazingly run faultless CPS is for the birds. There were some absolute shit show examples. The difference is now the magnifying glass he is under for every slip up and there will be 100s of journalists always scurrying around looking into each and every statement made on such a slip up. And his time of PM has contained consistent "errors".
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    Oh god a non answer on Jonathan Powell’s appointment too.
  • algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.

    Another abortive coup ?
    A Burnham coup to the advantage of Burnham (ie becoming PM) requires a few imponderables, and without thinking them through remains either useless or only to the benefit of someone else.

    Vacant seat
    Being nominated
    Winning it
    Getting enough MPs to back you
    Winning the subsequent battle in which Burnham's ego is faced by other egos.

    Also: ensuring the PM doesn't time a resignation to forestall you.

    Each stage reduces the chance and increases the odds. The current 8/1 is too short. Can Roger outline the plan? I can't see it happening successfully.

    It would be quite funny if Burnham resigns as Mayor to run for parliament and the next day Starmer resigns and sets the timeline so it is before Burnham is elected
    I would imagine that Starmer would want Labour to do well after he's gone, so if he decides to go he may well help rather than hinder Burnham. Is that being naive?
    Nah it’s pretty much exactly what I’ve heard. I don’t think Starmer minds if Burnham succeeds him.

    I still think a coronation is extremely likely.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498

    Good afternoon everybody.

    Starmer's situation is a classic example of someone who rarely makes an error not understanding what to do when they do make one, especially a bad one. He's thrashing about, making boo-boo after boo-boo in his attempt to extricate himself from the situation.
    Johnson knew what to do in such a situation; just lie 'innocently' and ignore the problem; Starmer doesn't, and is therefore making increasing desperate attempts to return to the status quo ante.
    Sadly for him, and perhaps all of us, his only choice now is to hold his hands up, admit he's made an almighty mess, and throw himself upon the mercy of the House, the Press and the Party. The Party and the House might forgive him if he did that; the Tory press of course won't.
    I still think Thornberry might b a decent fort-holder while the situation calms down.

    He *thinks* he rarely makes mistakes. His premiership resembles the scene in the Simpsons where Sideshow Bob steps on rakes, continuously.

    It makes you wonder what happened in previous jobs - was he fucking up non-stop and devolving blame?
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.

    Another abortive coup ?
    A Burnham coup to the advantage of Burnham (ie becoming PM) requires a few imponderables, and without thinking them through remains either useless or only to the benefit of someone else.

    Vacant seat
    Being nominated
    Winning it
    Getting enough MPs to back you
    Winning the subsequent battle in which Burnham's ego is faced by other egos.

    Also: ensuring the PM doesn't time a resignation to forestall you.

    Each stage reduces the chance and increases the odds. The current 8/1 is too short. Can Roger outline the plan? I can't see it happening successfully.

    It would be quite funny if Burnham resigns as Mayor to run for parliament and the next day Starmer resigns and sets the timeline so it is before Burnham is elected
    I would imagine that Starmer would want Labour to do well after he's gone, so if he decides to go he may well help rather than hinder Burnham. Is that being naive?
    I think thats right. I am sure he has a view on who would do a good job, but he will probably realise that his endorsement isnt that helpful to any of the replacement candidates.
  • rkrkrk said:

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.

    Another abortive coup ?
    A Burnham coup to the advantage of Burnham (ie becoming PM) requires a few imponderables, and without thinking them through remains either useless or only to the benefit of someone else.

    Vacant seat
    Being nominated
    Winning it
    Getting enough MPs to back you
    Winning the subsequent battle in which Burnham's ego is faced by other egos.

    Also: ensuring the PM doesn't time a resignation to forestall you.

    Each stage reduces the chance and increases the odds. The current 8/1 is too short. Can Roger outline the plan? I can't see it happening successfully.

    It would be quite funny if Burnham resigns as Mayor to run for parliament and the next day Starmer resigns and sets the timeline so it is before Burnham is elected
    I would imagine that Starmer would want Labour to do well after he's gone, so if he decides to go he may well help rather than hinder Burnham. Is that being naive?
    I think thats right. I am sure he has a view on who would do a good job, but he will probably realise that his endorsement isnt that helpful to any of the replacement candidates.
    The reason he’s still there is essentially as a shield for any bad stuff that is coming around the track.

    MPs are clearly waiting for Burnham to get into Parliament. I do not foresee any move until that occurs. I stand by my view that Burnham will be in Parliament by the end of this year.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949

    Good afternoon everybody.

    Starmer's situation is a classic example of someone who rarely makes an error not understanding what to do when they do make one, especially a bad one. He's thrashing about, making boo-boo after boo-boo in his attempt to extricate himself from the situation.
    Johnson knew what to do in such a situation; just lie 'innocently' and ignore the problem; Starmer doesn't, and is therefore making increasing desperate attempts to return to the status quo ante.
    Sadly for him, and perhaps all of us, his only choice now is to hold his hands up, admit he's made an almighty mess, and throw himself upon the mercy of the House, the Press and the Party. The Party and the House might forgive him if he did that; the Tory press of course won't.
    I still think Thornberry might b a decent fort-holder while the situation calms down.

    He *thinks* he rarely makes mistakes. His premiership resembles the scene in the Simpsons where Sideshow Bob steps on rakes, continuously.

    It makes you wonder what happened in previous jobs - was he fucking up non-stop and devolving blame?
    Starmer = "doesn't think he makes mistakes" is like Boris = doesn't think he really lies, just minor fibs.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,648

    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    This is the thing that people can’t or won’t understand.

    Starmer took a calculated risk (McSweeney doing the job) to appoint a dodgy man who they thought would get along with Trump.

    The risk failed and for that Starmer should have accepted he got it wrong (which to be fair he did) and resigned. But people are in my view reading into it a lot more than that.
    There's a bit "dodgy" and there's a clear and present full on danger to national security.
    Well yes. But again all of that was surely pretty clear at the time - and as I’ve said before a lot of people went along with it.

    Starmer made a very bad call in hindsight and as I’ve said should have immediately resigned for that alone. But it was a calculated risk to deal with Trump, that much is obvious.
    How do we know why the appointment was made? Has anyone told us? I'm not aware of any compelling evidence to confirm that it was to do with Trump. On the contrary, I have heard it said that Dame Karen Pierce had done an excellent job and that she was held in high regard at the White House. I don't think we do know why Mandeleson was so favored. We could do with an answer on that one. In fact it's the kind of thing Kemi might well put to Starmer when she gets the chance, preferably in a public questioning.

    I have heard it suggested that it was driven by Morgan McSweeney, which would be worrying if true. That would further undermine Starmer's reputation for making sensible appointments.

    But we just don't know.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733
    edited April 22
    A 0-0 draw. Badenoch had six open goals with Starmer tied up in knots on the goal line and she missed all six.

    Why did Starmer sack Robbins? Times six.

    Re: Maurice Oldfield.

    Sacking Robbins for doing his job is the killer blow.
  • AbandonedHopeAbandonedHope Posts: 226

    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    Alternatively, he could have said "Why would you put a man with KGB links in the House of Lords?"
  • And now Andrew Neil claims Starmer will stagger on.

    Dan Hodges has truly awful sources inside the party. I don’t know who he is speaking to.

    Starmer will remain for sometime yet. Sadly.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    I can't get away from thinking that every time Starrmer opens his gob ....
    "Methinks he doth protest too much"
  • Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    This is the thing that people can’t or won’t understand.

    Starmer took a calculated risk (McSweeney doing the job) to appoint a dodgy man who they thought would get along with Trump.

    The risk failed and for that Starmer should have accepted he got it wrong (which to be fair he did) and resigned. But people are in my view reading into it a lot more than that.
    There's a bit "dodgy" and there's a clear and present full on danger to national security.
    Well yes. But again all of that was surely pretty clear at the time - and as I’ve said before a lot of people went along with it.

    Starmer made a very bad call in hindsight and as I’ve said should have immediately resigned for that alone. But it was a calculated risk to deal with Trump, that much is obvious.
    How do we know why the appointment was made? Has anyone told us? I'm not aware of any compelling evidence to confirm that it was to do with Trump. On the contrary, I have heard it said that Dame Karen Pierce had done an excellent job and that she was held in high regard at the White House. I don't think we do know why Mandeleson was so favored. We could do with an answer on that one. In fact it's the kind of thing Kemi might well put to Starmer when she gets the chance, preferably in a public questioning.

    I have heard it suggested that it was driven by Morgan McSweeney, which would be worrying if true. That would further undermine Starmer's reputation for making sensible appointments.

    But we just don't know.
    They wanted a Labour guy to deal with Trump, so they chose Mandelson. They didn’t want somebody the Tories liked.

    It was silly partisanship that started it, of that I am of no doubt.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    4m
    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,411

    Good afternoon everybody.

    Starmer's situation is a classic example of someone who rarely makes an error not understanding what to do when they do make one, especially a bad one. He's thrashing about, making boo-boo after boo-boo in his attempt to extricate himself from the situation.
    Johnson knew what to do in such a situation; just lie 'innocently' and ignore the problem; Starmer doesn't, and is therefore making increasing desperate attempts to return to the status quo ante.
    Sadly for him, and perhaps all of us, his only choice now is to hold his hands up, admit he's made an almighty mess, and throw himself upon the mercy of the House, the Press and the Party. The Party and the House might forgive him if he did that; the Tory press of course won't.
    I still think Thornberry might b a decent fort-holder while the situation calms down.

    Not sure "rarely makes an error". Although he loves to boast about his time as DPP, there were plenty of mistakes, none of which ever hit of his desk of course. The story of an amazingly run faultless CPS is for the birds. There were some absolute shit show examples. The difference is now the magnifying glass he is under for every slip up and there will be 100s of journalists always scurrying around looking into each and every statement made on such a slip up. And his time of PM has contained consistent "errors".
    I accept that as a fair criticism; perhaps I should have put 'rarely makes a major error resulting in public scrutiny'!

    I do think though that it would much better for the Party and, more importantly, the country, if he threw himself on the mercy of the house.
    People in general tend to be generous to people, even very senior people, who admit to an error.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,113
    edited April 22
    I conclude that Starmer is now a worse PM than Sunak. Better than Johnson and Truss but virtually anyone is.

    I’m honestly incredibly depressed about it. I really didn’t think it would end up like this, I thought he’d be boring but basically honest and competent. And he’s turned out to be none of those things.

    He must never lead Labour into another general election on principle alone. Consider me hitched to the Burnham train reluctantly.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    edited April 22
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  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,475
    edited April 22
    Good afternoon PB.

    Digging slightly into Trump's participation in the "USA 250" Bible reading event, sponsored by the Museum of the Bible (itself funded by the Green family of Hobby Lobby), the segment someone gave him is interesting - a core text of Christian Nationalism, which tries to find reasons to impose a version of the Old Testament societal laws in 2026. Ask a Jewish person what they think of that.

    The coverage has mainly been of this sentence, which sounds quite fluffy in isolation:

    "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." (2 Chronicles 7:14).

    The whole piece he was given was 2 Chronicles 7:11-22.

    I won't put it all here, but it is God appearing to Solomon, and includes a call to Solomon to build the temple (aka metaphorical ballroom?), promises blessings if the nation does "all I command, and observe my decrees and laws". On the other hand, destruction is promised for failure to do so.

    It's a very nice fit for the USA's Manifest Destiny dream/self-image, and has an appeal within the system of dogma invented around the idea of Rapture and Imminent Return plus Restoration of Israel. That is despite the whole idea being essentially ruled out (even in a normal evangelical worldview) in the New Testament, which is about the creation of a "new covenant", rather than reimposing an old one.

    One can also understand why it is all a bit incomprehensible to a purely secular mindset.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    4m
    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    Quickly, someone find Hodges a gig at the Daily Mirror.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131

    Kemi: "why would you put a man with links to the Kremlin as our man in washington?"

    Well, the glib answer is that he would fit in very well over there.

    This is the thing that people can’t or won’t understand.

    Starmer took a calculated risk (McSweeney doing the job) to appoint a dodgy man who they thought would get along with Trump.

    The risk failed and for that Starmer should have accepted he got it wrong (which to be fair he did) and resigned. But people are in my view reading into it a lot more than that.
    There's a bit "dodgy" and there's a clear and present full on danger to national security.
    Well yes. But again all of that was surely pretty clear at the time - and as I’ve said before a lot of people went along with it.

    Starmer made a very bad call in hindsight and as I’ve said should have immediately resigned for that alone. But it was a calculated risk to deal with Trump, that much is obvious.
    How do we know why the appointment was made? Has anyone told us? I'm not aware of any compelling evidence to confirm that it was to do with Trump. On the contrary, I have heard it said that Dame Karen Pierce had done an excellent job and that she was held in high regard at the White House. I don't think we do know why Mandeleson was so favored. We could do with an answer on that one. In fact it's the kind of thing Kemi might well put to Starmer when she gets the chance, preferably in a public questioning.

    I have heard it suggested that it was driven by Morgan McSweeney, which would be worrying if true. That would further undermine Starmer's reputation for making sensible appointments.

    But we just don't know.
    It seems highly likely it was driven by Mandelson via McSweeney, maybe McSweeney will eventually reveal all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,949
    edited April 22

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    4m
    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    We now get into the legal and non-legal definitions of what "applying pressure" can mean....I bit like pass / failing vetting....
  • Good afternoon everybody.

    Starmer's situation is a classic example of someone who rarely makes an error not understanding what to do when they do make one, especially a bad one. He's thrashing about, making boo-boo after boo-boo in his attempt to extricate himself from the situation.
    Johnson knew what to do in such a situation; just lie 'innocently' and ignore the problem; Starmer doesn't, and is therefore making increasing desperate attempts to return to the status quo ante.
    Sadly for him, and perhaps all of us, his only choice now is to hold his hands up, admit he's made an almighty mess, and throw himself upon the mercy of the House, the Press and the Party. The Party and the House might forgive him if he did that; the Tory press of course won't.
    I still think Thornberry might b a decent fort-holder while the situation calms down.

    Not sure "rarely makes an error". Although he loves to boast about his time as DPP, there were plenty of mistakes, none of which ever hit of his desk of course. The story of an amazingly run faultless CPS is for the birds. There were some absolute shit show examples. The difference is now the magnifying glass he is under for every slip up and there will be 100s of journalists always scurrying around looking into each and every statement made on such a slip up. And his time of PM has contained consistent "errors".
    I accept that as a fair criticism; perhaps I should have put 'rarely makes a major error resulting in public scrutiny'!

    I do think though that it would much better for the Party and, more importantly, the country, if he threw himself on the mercy of the house.
    People in general tend to be generous to people, even very senior people, who admit to an error.
    To be fair, he did say he was wrong to have appointed Mandelson and he apologised again.

    Unfortunately, everything he's done since then has been a disaster. It's plainly obvious resigning then was the right call as I said at the time.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.

    Another abortive coup ?
    A Burnham coup to the advantage of Burnham (ie becoming PM) requires a few imponderables, and without thinking them through remains either useless or only to the benefit of someone else.

    Vacant seat
    Being nominated
    Winning it
    Getting enough MPs to back you
    Winning the subsequent battle in which Burnham's ego is faced by other egos.

    Also: ensuring the PM doesn't time a resignation to forestall you.

    Each stage reduces the chance and increases the odds. The current 8/1 is too short. Can Roger outline the plan? I can't see it happening successfully.

    It would be quite funny if Burnham resigns as Mayor to run for parliament and the next day Starmer resigns and sets the timeline so it is before Burnham is elected
    I would imagine that Starmer would want Labour to do well after he's gone, so if he decides to go he may well help rather than hinder Burnham. Is that being naive?
    Yes. What gives you the impression Starmer cares about anything apart from himself?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,131

    A 0-0 draw. Badenoch had six open goals with Starmer tied up in knots on the goal line and she missed all six.

    Why did Starmer sack Robbins? Times six.

    Re: Maurice Oldfield.

    Sacking Robbins for doing his job is the killer blow.

    She's in danger of being signed by Arteta for next season... "gets into the right positions, just needs coaching on hitting a barn door"
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,623
    Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

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    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    We now get into the legal and non-legal definitions of what "applying pressure" can mean....I bit like pass / failing vetting....
    'just fucking approve it' sounds like pressure to a non-lawyer like me.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,733

    Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    No. Anyone with a functional brain would have thought she had a shocker. It wasn't that Starmer was effective. It is just she wasn't.
  • Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    He was doomed as soon as soon as he didn't quit after Mandelson was sacked.

    If he hadn't U-turned on benefit reform he could have dug in on policy terms. But he didn't. The only thing - ONLY thing! - he has got is Iran. That's it.

    The hole Starmer has dug himself into is that he has nothing else to anchor himself to. No big strategy, no grand plan to see through. Blair weathered all kinds of mess and would have walked through this because people basically could see what he was trying to do. To be fair I think Johnson despite all my hatred for him, got by on at least pretending to have a plan for quite a while too. Same with Cameron and Osborne.

    I am afraid I can only conclude what many have said that I didn't believe at the time but I now concede I was completely wrong: Starmer is completely empty. He is totally incapable of planning or doing politics of any kind. When you understand this, it all makes sense. There is absolutely nothing there.

    Therefore on the basis that Burnham has at least one idea from what I can tell, he's better by default.

    I don't regret for voting for Starmer. But I do regret that he's still there.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited April 22

    Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    If the PM doesn’t want to go over this then he won’t. That’s the simple conclusion here. He’s taken the calculation that he can solider through this and that there’s no smoking gun that will finish him off immediately. That is I think correct, but the drip-drip causes continuing damage.

    It’s only a matter of time now but we just don’t quite know when that will be. I think those who have said that he stays in post largely because there isn’t an immediately obvious successor are correct on that front.
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    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    We now get into the legal and non-legal definitions of what "applying pressure" can mean....I bit like pass / failing vetting....
    'just fucking approve it' sounds like pressure to a non-lawyer like me.
    Although strangely it must be said, Thornberry backed him this morning.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

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    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    We now get into the legal and non-legal definitions of what "applying pressure" can mean....I bit like pass / failing vetting....
    'just fucking approve it' sounds like pressure to a non-lawyer like me.
    “Just fucking approve it, or else,” is the application of pressure. “Just fucking approve it,” is a strong statement of desire for something, but not pressure…???
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

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    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    We now get into the legal and non-legal definitions of what "applying pressure" can mean....I bit like pass / failing vetting....
    At work it is well known that my definition of applying pressure to staff is when I start singing ‘Under Pressure’ at them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    Concur.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2046916024230949349

    Exclusive form @ProducerOllie

    This is likely to be the last PMQs of the parliamentary session

    The prime minister is planning to send MPs away next Tuesday, more than a week before the public goes to the polls for the elections on May 7. It won't be back until May 13

    Backbenchers have been told to expect the prorogation of parliament to happen next Tuesday evening. Number 10 is said to want to avoid further questions about the appointment of Mandelson before the elections
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    Roger said:

    And I have concluded that is why MPs have not moved.

    They are waiting for Burnham, that’s all there is to it.

    Labour have to be careful about this though. If they are seen to be fixating on internal party machinations to get Burnham into parliament at all costs purely on the basis of replacing Starmer in some weird deal, it could come back to bite them.
    Particularly being as Burnham is a venal t***.

    And I have concluded that is why MPs have not moved.

    They are waiting for Burnham, that’s all there is to it.

    Labour have to be careful about this though. If they are seen to be fixating on internal party machinations to get Burnham into parliament at all costs purely on the basis of replacing Starmer in some weird deal, it could come back to bite them.
    Particularly being as Burnham is a venal t***.
    He wouldn't be my choice but the choices are getting smaller. Thornberry blew it for me yesterday when she put up a half baked reason for Starmer firing Olly. Even she looked embarrassed. Lammy's out as is Cooper (Gaza related) McFadden was pathetic this morning........It's beginning to look easier to walk through the eye of a needle.....
    I do not think I have ever seen a government minister so lost for words than McFadden in his interview with Sophy Ridge on Sky this morning

    He was lost for words and frankly I felt sorry for him, and that Starmer could even put a colleague in this position
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_McFadden
    Not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gates_McFadden

    An important distinction :)
  • Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    I watched it. Not one of Badenoch's best performances: middling I would say.

    Objectively speaking, in more words she concluded she was wrong to call him a liar. She did that quite well I thought - but she was wrong. And that's that.

    However I struggle to disagree with much of what else she said, even if she's a massive hypocrite. But then, so is Starmer.

    But what is all of this for? Starmer is just going to stagger on whilst nothing gets done. What exactly is this government for now?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858

    A 0-0 draw. Badenoch had six open goals with Starmer tied up in knots on the goal line and she missed all six.

    Why did Starmer sack Robbins? Times six.

    Re: Maurice Oldfield.

    Sacking Robbins for doing his job is the killer blow.

    In the Yes Minister novelisation, there's an "editorial" introduction to one of the chapters describing how a decision can be wrong by every rational measure (scientifically, economically, legally) but still be correct politically.

    Starmer's problem for some time has been the converse of that- that even if what he's saying and doing is rationally correct, it's not politically correct. To an extent, it's the difference between law and politics- though the distinction between science and politics is starker.

    And beyond a certain point, that's all matters. Boris survived his many pratfalls right up to the moment he didn't.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132

    Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    No. Anyone with a functional brain would have thought she had a shocker. It wasn't that Starmer was effective. It is just she wasn't.
    She didn’t have a shocker at all. Hard to see what else she could have done - I thought her line of questioning was good. They both threw quotes at each other and he managed to muddle through. There was no slam dunk because as I note above, this is damaging but there is no smoking gun that will force him out immediately.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
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    Beth Rigby of Sky reviewing PMQs concluded

    Starmer is badly, badly, damaged
  • Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    No. Anyone with a functional brain would have thought she had a shocker. It wasn't that Starmer was effective. It is just she wasn't.
    She didn’t have a shocker at all. Hard to see what else she could have done - I thought her line of questioning was good. They both threw quotes at each other and he managed to muddle through. There was no slam dunk because as I note above, this is damaging but there is no smoking gun that will force him out immediately.
    I don't think there is going to be a smoking gun.

    But he's mortally wounded - and is only there because the MPs don't have a single candidate yet to go up against him. That's it.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916

    Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    I watched it. Not one of Badenoch's best performances: middling I would say.

    Objectively speaking, in more words she concluded she was wrong to call him a liar. She did that quite well I thought - but she was wrong. And that's that.

    However I struggle to disagree with much of what else she said, even if she's a massive hypocrite. But then, so is Starmer.

    But what is all of this for? Starmer is just going to stagger on whilst nothing gets done. What exactly is this government for now?
    Why should nothing get done? Parliament will still pass laws. Starmer still has a large majority. Government will still act.
  • Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    I watched it. Not one of Badenoch's best performances: middling I would say.

    Objectively speaking, in more words she concluded she was wrong to call him a liar. She did that quite well I thought - but she was wrong. And that's that.

    However I struggle to disagree with much of what else she said, even if she's a massive hypocrite. But then, so is Starmer.

    But what is all of this for? Starmer is just going to stagger on whilst nothing gets done. What exactly is this government for now?
    Why should nothing get done? Parliament will still pass laws. Starmer still has a large majority. Government will still act.
    But in aid of what? What exactly is the government doing?

    It's all got completely lost - I don't have a clue what they are even trying to do at this point.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,648

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    Keir Starmer literally lied again. He claimed Robbins said no pressure was applied. That was the direct opposite of what Robins said.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2046914235481882894

    We now get into the legal and non-legal definitions of what "applying pressure" can mean....I bit like pass / failing vetting....
    'just fucking approve it' sounds like pressure to a non-lawyer like me.
    “Just fucking approve it, or else,” is the application of pressure. “Just fucking approve it,” is a strong statement of desire for something, but not pressure…???
    It's bullying, and nobody should condone it. He'd have been entitled to tell him to get on with his own fucking job and leave him to do his. Would probably have been sacked, but that happened anyway, despite kowtowing.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    edited April 22
    If Play Your Cards Right was still going and Brucie said
    We asked 100 people what the first word that came into their head when thinking about Starmer
    I think I know what the top two answers would be.

    The Country has made up its mind.
  • Just watched PMQs. It seems I'm in a minority of one, but I thought Starmer dealt with it pretty well under the circumstances - relatively calm, coherent and unflustered; and Badenoch didn't make any progress if her aim is to get rid of him. He's a bit Teflon, and may live to fight another day (despite the fact that I thought he was doomed after the Robbins session yesterday).

    I watched it. Not one of Badenoch's best performances: middling I would say.

    Objectively speaking, in more words she concluded she was wrong to call him a liar. She did that quite well I thought - but she was wrong. And that's that.

    However I struggle to disagree with much of what else she said, even if she's a massive hypocrite. But then, so is Starmer.

    But what is all of this for? Starmer is just going to stagger on whilst nothing gets done. What exactly is this government for now?
    Forget Starmer for a moment. Actually, the government has done, and is doing, lots of things broadly in line with their manifesto. Some have already had an impact, but most will not come to fruition until towards the end of this parliament, in some cases later. To give one of many examples, renters' rights will improve significantly next week.

    I acknowledge, however, that the government is incredibly poor at communicating both its achievements and its plans.
    Burnham would be wise I think, to not immediately dump a lot of the "quiet" stuff you allude to. However, my big fear with him is he'll dump it all out of spite.

    Like immigration reform. It's self-evident that Mahmood has basically got this right. And with a better communicator at the top they'd win the argument. But I feel like Burnham will ditch it all because he can.

    Burnham's instinct is to go to the left too much - that would be a mistake in my view.
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