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Could Sir Keir Starmer fall on his sword? – politicalbetting.com

While most Britons feel it's unlikely that Keir Starmer will still be prime minister at the end of the year, this proportion has fallen since the February aftermath of Peter Mandelson's arrestLikely: 28% (+6 from 9 Feb)Unlikely: 57% (-6)yougov.com/en-gb/daily-…

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,750
    First unlike SKS.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,242
    Are Labour like Arsenal. Blowing it from a position of strength due to a poor leader?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,242
    Is Kemi just Pep in braids?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Battlebus said:

    Are Labour like Arsenal. Blowing it from a position of strength due to a poor leader?

    To be fair Sir Keir didn't spend a billion quid for a historic tetralogy.


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    He didn’t even know he was supposed to be in Parliament yesterday, what makes anyone think the PM might be capable of finding his sword unassisted?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
    I knew a GP who had a private practise in Bath…….
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,572
    Can he go and work in the bookshop then?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    The Russian town of Tuapse is destroyed.

    Not the refinery, which is still on fire after five days, but the town itself, where it’s now raining oil and contaminating everything.

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2046823436823990547

    “Well now Chernobyl is in Tuapse”.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Welcome to the future of astroturfing AI bots:

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3mjssl3otck2v
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited April 22
    I don’t believe Starmer is behaving like someone who would be happy to give it all up and ride off into the sunset. At least not yet.

    Yes he might have considered quitting after Hartlepool but that was when he was not in office and power intoxicates. I believe, particularly given his experience re Hartlepool, that he will consider he can turn it around again.

    What I would say is that I do think there is a question of timing here. It is still a bit early after the last GE for him to decide to stand down IMHO - if he goes it will be because of being dragged out by a challenge or damaging resignations. If, however, he manages to survive the year and we get into 2027/2028, I think the chances increase of a ‘retirement’ (probably forced behind the scenes but seemingly voluntary), if the polls have not turned and the government remains deeply unpopular.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
    I knew a GP who had a private practise in Bath…….
    In Bona Law, Julian and Sandy had a criminal practice that took up a lot of their time.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    Battlebus said:

    Are Labour like Arsenal. Blowing it from a position of strength due to a poor leader?

    And subpar performances from key team members?
    There's a definite parallel
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128

    I don’t believe Starmer is behaving like someone who would be happy to give it all up and ride off into the sunset. At least not yet.

    Yes he might have considered quitting after Hartlepool but that was when he was not in office and power intoxicates. I believe, particularly given his experience re Hartlepool, that he will consider he can turn it around again.

    What I would say is that I do think there is a question of timing here. It is still a bit early after the last GE for him to decide to stand down IMHO - if he goes it will be because of being dragged out by a challenge or damaging resignations. If, however, he manages to survive the year and we get into 2027/2028, I think the chances increase of a ‘retirement’ (probably forced behind the scenes but seemingly voluntary), if the polls have not turned and the government remains deeply unpopular.

    I wonder whether getting rid of Starmer will be added to Trumps list of ficticious achievements?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,007
    edited April 22
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
    I knew a GP who had a private practise in Bath…….
    Not the best first line to a Limerick. How about

    A GP who practised in Bath ….
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Even without the inflated self-worth, he may well have a point.

    Didn't Churchill hang on far too long because of his doubts about Eden being up to the job? After all, the record shows that he probably wasn't.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    stjohn said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
    I knew a GP who had a private practise in Bath…….
    Not the best first line to a Limerick. How about

    I knew a GP who practised in Bath ….
    While not fearing The Lords wrath….
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    stjohn said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
    I knew a GP who had a private practise in Bath…….
    Not the best first line to a Limerick. How about

    I knew a GP who practised in Bath ….
    Heaven knows we're in need of a laugh
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499
    Foxy said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Welcome to the future of astroturfing AI bots:

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3mjssl3otck2v
    It’s been here, already, for a long time.

    The people who are paid to attempt to influence online debate use them to multiply their efforts.

    Some of our Saturday visitors were using LLM assistance, for example.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,007
    stjohn said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Yes. I understand Andy Burnham has now got his ducks in a row.



    Is he having a bath ?
    An early one. Or that's what Labour voters hope.
    I knew a GP who had a private practise in Bath…….
    Not the best first line to a Limerick. How about

    A GP who practised in Bath ….
    A GP who practised in Bath
    Played bagpipes one day for a laugh
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Foxy said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Welcome to the future of astroturfing AI bots:

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3mjssl3otck2v
    It’s been here, already, for a long time.

    The people who are paid to attempt to influence online debate use them to multiply their efforts.

    Some of our Saturday visitors were using LLM assistance, for example.
    Blimey, how bad would they have been without assistance......
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    The P is silent. As in Bath.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    edited April 22
    Morning all.
    Reform regain a bit of the fall from last week's More in Common, otherwise little change this week, 'others' doing well though


    Small changes in this week’s voting intention as Reform’s lead grows to 5pts over the Tories and 7 over Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 27% (+2)
    🌳 CON 22% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (-1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-1)
    ❓OTH 5% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (+1)

    N = 2,235 | Fieldwork 17-20/4 | Changes w/ 5/4
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    edited April 22
    So who was this opposition MP in the Russian Duma yesterday, and how long will it take before he manages to find a 14th floor balcony somewhere in Moscow?

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2046834786488991758

    “…in the autumn we will face that which happened in 1917.”
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499

    Foxy said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Welcome to the future of astroturfing AI bots:

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3mjssl3otck2v
    It’s been here, already, for a long time.

    The people who are paid to attempt to influence online debate use them to multiply their efforts.

    Some of our Saturday visitors were using LLM assistance, for example.
    Blimey, how bad would they have been without assistance......
    They were using summaries of various posters, for a start.

    A scraper tool gets all the comments, back into the distant past. The LLM then prepares a cheat sheet per poster.

    The LLM also suggests responses to individual posters to make it sound personal.

    So, even if a human clicks “go”, they are selecting one of several pre-prepared responses. That way they can run chats on multiple boards at the same time.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    edited April 22

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    The problem is in keeping control of events. If he is planning to go next year, the obvious question is "why not sooner?" Then we get a defenestration.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,242

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    Surely it will be when his (preferred) replacement is available or clear of investigations? And work backwards from there - and assuming there will be no more Trump clusterf**ks during this time.

    Too many moving parts as usual.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    edited April 22
    Good morning

    I cannot imagine the stress Starmer must be under, and with the May elections and another huge drop of Mandelson files in mid May then he may well stand down by then, subject to labour electing his successor

    This controversy is paralysing labour and the government, so labour need to decide where they go now
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    The problem is in keeping control of events. If he is planning to go next year, the obvious question is "why not sooner?" Then we get a defenestration.
    The obvious answer is there is a lot more pain to come in 2026.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Was it Mr Blair who pushed out the hard left? I thought it was Mr Kinnock who did the heavy lifting on that.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499

    Good morning

    I cannot imagine the stress Starmer must be under, and with the May elections and another huge drop of Mandelson files in mid May then he may well stand down by then, subject to labour electing his successor

    This controversy is paralysing labour and the government, so labour need to decide where they go now

    For all we know, he is being told to stay until June - to take the full brunt of the locals.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    Pretty harsh blaming Blair for Brown's manoeuvres, which were a source of tension between the two. Indeed if Blair had wanted to remove any rival of talent, he would have sacked Brown early on.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    edited April 22
    Sandpit said:

    So who was this opposition MP in the Russian Duma yesterday, and how long will it take before he manages to find a 14th floor balcony somewhere in Moscow?

    https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/2046834786488991758

    “…in the autumn we will face that which happened in 1917.”

    Dr Zhivago is on iplayer at the moment. This is one of my favourite scenes. I thought it might be duplicated in the Wagner rebellion, but they chickened out:

    https://youtu.be/P4kQvkvGi9M?si=ihERd4Ncswdi_baO

    Of course what followed had a few hiccups!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Players on strike. Who'd have thought giving a whole squad of 20 year olds 8 year contracts worth around £80m each might not end up well?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    Yes it’s Fox News, but rumours of at least an attempt at a coup in Iran.

    https://x.com/JesseBWatters/status/2046747317320192497/video/1

    Sounds like the US don’t believe that whoever turns up to peace talks representing Iran, has any authority over enforcing an agreement.

    So the blockade continues. Which, at least for me, is better than the alternative!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    AnneJGP said:

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Was it Mr Blair who pushed out the hard left? I thought it was Mr Kinnock who did the heavy lifting on that.
    Yes, the job was lagely done by then, by Kinnock and Smith.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499
    AnneJGP said:

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Was it Mr Blair who pushed out the hard left? I thought it was Mr Kinnock who did the heavy lifting on that.
    Kinnock got rid of lunatics who actively attacked their own party. The problem was that it became a cycle. There’s alway more dissent to purge.

    Note that under Blair, even Iraq didn’t break the Coaltion that was the Labour Party.

    The Conservatives and Labour were coalitions. Blair realised this.

    Blair offered more spending on schools & hospitals and other things to the coalition of the Labour Party. Solid chunks of Red Meat.

    Brown offered the same, but with a redder tinge.

    Corbyn was back to 1983 - the age of The longest Suicide Note In History.

    Keir thought to was 1993 all over again. And purged and purged. Then offered the remaining hard left nothing.

    Starting with the WFP set the tone - we are in government, and you will get nothing. Gaza was just the last straw.

  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 763

    Good morning

    I cannot imagine the stress Starmer must be under, and with the May elections and another huge drop of Mandelson files in mid May then he may well stand down by then, subject to labour electing his successor

    This controversy is paralysing labour and the government, so labour need to decide where they go now

    For all we know, he is being told to stay until June - to take the full brunt of the locals.
    Agree with this possibility. Also may suit some of the opposition to keep him in post right now to help them with their campaigns
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,648

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    What is this 'Labour cause' of which you speak, Mark?

    As far as I can see there is no cause as such, just an attempt to run the shop reasonably sensibly. That isn't setting the bar very high, although some way higher than some of the governments of the past ten or so years.

    Unfortunately I can't see that Nobody would indeed do better. If Labour had a Nobody who might, the Party would surely be lining him up right now. They haven't, and they aren't.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    Every day that Starmer stays on is another day of damage to Labour, another day of hardening voters' negative attitudes towards Labour, one day less for a new leader to implement reforms to turn the country around.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,596

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Blair didn't push out the "hard left", so much as make them irrelevant with the size of the win in 1997.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    What is this 'Labour cause' of which you speak, Mark?

    As far as I can see there is no cause as such, just an attempt to run the shop reasonably sensibly. That isn't setting the bar very high, although some way higher than some of the governments of the past ten or so years.

    Unfortunately I can't see that Nobody would indeed do better. If Labour had a Nobody who might, the Party would surely be lining him up right now. They haven't, and they aren't.
    The problem is that you can’t have Nobody as Prime Minister, there has to be Somebody.

    And as soon as you start talking about Somebody, all of the sudden the incumbent doesn’t look so bad after all.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,740

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    No, Starmer has not been up to the job. He needs to go now, not just for the good of his party, which quite frankly looks like it is finished anyway, but for the stability of the nation.

    There are people like Carns who do have managerial skills. Unfortunately the mainstream media seem to like to promote the terminally useless like Milliband and Burnham.

    Whoever takes over has three years to ensure that whatever replaces this Government it is not led by a gurning grifter .
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    Pretty harsh blaming Blair for Brown's manoeuvres, which were a source of tension between the two. Indeed if Blair had wanted to remove any rival of talent, he would have sacked Brown early on.
    He could have told him to tell McBride to put a sock in it.

    Which would have helped Brown in the long run.

    The lying pornographer was doing plenty of briefings against ministers and factions he

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    Pretty harsh blaming Blair for Brown's manoeuvres, which were a source of tension between the two. Indeed if Blair had wanted to remove any rival of talent, he would have sacked Brown early on.
    He could have told Brown to tell McBride to put a sock in it.

    But, given Campbell’s behaviour, that would have been a bit hypocritical.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    Pretty harsh blaming Blair for Brown's manoeuvres, which were a source of tension between the two. Indeed if Blair had wanted to remove any rival of talent, he would have sacked Brown early on.
    He could have told him to tell McBride to put a sock in it.

    Which would have helped Brown in the long run.

    The lying pornographer was doing plenty of briefings against ministers and factions he

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    Pretty harsh blaming Blair for Brown's manoeuvres, which were a source of tension between the two. Indeed if Blair had wanted to remove any rival of talent, he would have sacked Brown early on.
    He could have told Brown to tell McBride to put a sock in it.

    But, given Campbell’s behaviour, that would have been a bit hypocritical.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    The problem is in keeping control of events. If he is planning to go next year, the obvious question is "why not sooner?" Then we get a defenestration.
    At the moment, Team Rayner fear Streeting or Burnham getting the job. Similar permutations apply to Teams Burnham and Streeting. It's an unstable equilibrium, but they can persist for quite a while.

    I reckon the key that the lock needs is a John Major figure, who suddenly appears out of almost nowhere and everyone agrees is acceptable.

    (It might be harder now. I'm pretty sure that the balance of personal and ideological ambition has tipped too far in the personal direction.)
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,959
    edited April 22
    Is it just me but Mathew Doyle in the House of Lords looks very much like a younger now deceased Australian who spent time in prison
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    Every day that Starmer stays on is another day of damage to Labour, another day of hardening voters' negative attitudes towards Labour, one day less for a new leader to implement reforms to turn the country around.
    You think a new leader has reforms that will turn the country around? Bless.

    We are constrained by the wars in Ukraine and Iran, and longer term our demographics. No leader of any party is going to fix this for us.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,648

    Foxy said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Welcome to the future of astroturfing AI bots:

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3mjssl3otck2v
    It’s been here, already, for a long time.

    The people who are paid to attempt to influence online debate use them to multiply their efforts.

    Some of our Saturday visitors were using LLM assistance, for example.
    That's actually rather reassuring. It would be sad to think that's the best humans could do.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,740

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    Every day that Starmer stays on is another day of damage to Labour, another day of hardening voters' negative attitudes towards Labour, one day less for a new leader to implement reforms to turn the country around.
    You think a new leader has reforms that will turn the country around? Bless.

    We are constrained by the wars in Ukraine and Iran, and longer term our demographics. No leader of any party is going to fix this for us.
    I don't know, Farage could throw our lot in with Trump and Russia.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    edited April 22

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Yes, the stadium was half full last night, and I am hoarse this morning from singing "Sack the Board". The first half was appalling but the second half quite entertaining, but far too little too late by our players and missed half a dozen sitters. The story of the season. Poor finishing and shocking defending Begovic gifted Hull their first goal.

    The sad thing was that Hull were nothing special and on the brink of the playoffs. It was one of many games we could have won if we weren't a shambles on and off the pitch.

    Next season will be dire. Administration may well be possible, and further points deduction. See your* team next year may have the same too.

    What a mess. FFP seems to punish only lesser clubs while the Man City's and Chelseas of this world get barely a slap on the wrist.

    *sorry, confusing you with BJO 😀
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,959

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    ...and McBride now works in Parliament. Such an odious individual should not be allowed within 100 miles of Parliament.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    edited April 22
    I encourage those who despair at the abject state of the country, and who hark back to former glories, to watch the C4 two-part documentary* on Suez https://www.channel4.com/programmes/suez-24-hours-that-broke-the-british-empire.

    Starmer may be in a bit of a hole but comparatively Eden was down a deep mine shaft of his own making.

    (*Actually it's a drama-documentary with talking heads, which does make one hark back for the days of proper documentaries tbf.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    What is this 'Labour cause' of which you speak, Mark?

    As far as I can see there is no cause as such, just an attempt to run the shop reasonably sensibly. That isn't setting the bar very high, although some way higher than some of the governments of the past ten or so years.

    Unfortunately I can't see that Nobody would indeed do better. If Labour had a Nobody who might, the Party would surely be lining him up right now. They haven't, and they aren't.
    The Labour backbenchers certainly believe they've been elected to further the Labour cause. That's one reason why they rebelled over the welfare cuts.

    Any Labour leader in the present circumstances would need to convince Labour backbenchers that unpalatable policies such as welfare cuts* were a necessary part of a plan that would deliver more of what they want overall.

    * It doesn't necessarily have to be welfare cuts specifically, but there are definitely unpopular things that need to be done to square the circle of the nation's finances.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Foxy said:

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Yes, the stadium was half full last night, and I am hoarse this morning from singing "Sack the Board". The first half was appalling but the second half quite entertaining, but far too little too late by our players and missed half a dozen sitters. The story of the season. Poor finishing and shocking defending Begovic gifted Hull their first goal.

    The sad thing was that Hull were nothing special and on the brink of the playoffs. It was one of many games we could have won if we weren't a shambles on and off the pitch.

    Next season will be dire. Administration may well be possible, and further points deduction. See your* team next year may have the same too.

    What a mess. FFP seems to punish only lesser clubs while the Man City's and Chelseas of this world get barely a slap on the wrist.

    *sorry, confusing you with BJO 😀
    I really sympathise with you and Leicester supporters who deserve better

    I agree that City and Chelsea need to be dealt with, though it looks like Chelsea players are doing it for them

    And yes Man Utd need 6 points over 5 games to be certain of Champions League football, though one win will mean Chelses cannot catch them
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    Every day that Starmer stays on is another day of damage to Labour, another day of hardening voters' negative attitudes towards Labour, one day less for a new leader to implement reforms to turn the country around.
    You think a new leader has reforms that will turn the country around? Bless.

    We are constrained by the wars in Ukraine and Iran, and longer term our demographics. No leader of any party is going to fix this for us.
    If that's your prognosis then it hardly matters who leads Labour, or when. The party is going down to defeat at the next election regardless.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,444

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    What is this 'Labour cause' of which you speak, Mark?

    As far as I can see there is no cause as such, just an attempt to run the shop reasonably sensibly. That isn't setting the bar very high, although some way higher than some of the governments of the past ten or so years.

    Unfortunately I can't see that Nobody would indeed do better. If Labour had a Nobody who might, the Party would surely be lining him up right now. They haven't, and they aren't.
    The Labour backbenchers certainly believe they've been elected to further the Labour cause. That's one reason why they rebelled over the welfare cuts.

    Any Labour leader in the present circumstances would need to convince Labour backbenchers that unpalatable policies such as welfare cuts* were a necessary part of a plan that would deliver more of what they want overall.

    * It doesn't necessarily have to be welfare cuts specifically, but there are definitely unpopular things that need to be done to square the circle of the nation's finances.
    Yes, I think that is true. Labour MPs and Party could swallow curbs on welfare or similar if they were convinced it was in service of some desireable goal. It needs both vision and communication skills to sell that, and Starmer is no Blair.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    It just looks so obvious . Any move by Burnham to try and win a by-election is now just in effect an attempt to become leader .

    There’s going to be some resentment from some Labour MPs and where exactly will that by-election opening be ? Will he parachute himself into London which in the current climate is the only conceivable place where he’d have a better chance of winning .

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    Foxy said:

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Yes, the stadium was half full last night, and I am hoarse this morning from singing "Sack the Board". The first half was appalling but the second half quite entertaining, but far too little too late by our players and missed half a dozen sitters. The story of the season. Poor finishing and shocking defending Begovic gifted Hull their first goal.

    The sad thing was that Hull were nothing special and on the brink of the playoffs. It was one of many games we could have won if we weren't a shambles on and off the pitch.

    Next season will be dire. Administration may well be possible, and further points deduction. See your* team next year may have the same too.

    What a mess. FFP seems to punish only lesser clubs while the Man City's and Chelseas of this world get barely a slap on the wrist.

    *sorry, confusing you with BJO 😀
    Man U in administration would be 'surprising'!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    ...and McBride now works in Parliament. Such an odious individual should not be allowed within 100 miles of Parliament.
    To be fair to him, McBride does now appear to be something of a reformed character.

    He spent some years in the 2010s working for a Catholic charity for a very small salary, and acknowledges that his scumbag younger self in No.10 was perhaps not the best person.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    edited April 22
    Sacking Olly Robbins stands in the face of all things to do with fair play Labour are supposed to stand for. It reeks of unfairness and every Minister sent out to defend the decision is another good man pushed under a bus to protect the PM, The latest is Pat Mcfadden. It's horrible to watch.

    We expect it of the Tories but Labour should be better than this.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,242

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    What is this 'Labour cause' of which you speak, Mark?

    As far as I can see there is no cause as such, just an attempt to run the shop reasonably sensibly. That isn't setting the bar very high, although some way higher than some of the governments of the past ten or so years.

    Unfortunately I can't see that Nobody would indeed do better. If Labour had a Nobody who might, the Party would surely be lining him up right now. They haven't, and they aren't.
    The Labour backbenchers certainly believe they've been elected to further the Labour cause. That's one reason why they rebelled over the welfare cuts.

    Any Labour leader in the present circumstances would need to convince Labour backbenchers that unpalatable policies such as welfare cuts* were a necessary part of a plan that would deliver more of what they want overall.

    * It doesn't necessarily have to be welfare cuts specifically, but there are definitely unpopular things that need to be done to square the circle of the nation's finances.
    My usual addition to these comments. You can't cut welfare without an overhaul of the legal scaffolding that surrounds it which goes back a long, long way. Can't it be done? Yes and the progress in changing legislation on UK citizenship shows it can, but only with the will of the people.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,959
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    ...and McBride now works in Parliament. Such an odious individual should not be allowed within 100 miles of Parliament.
    To be fair to him, McBride does now appear to be something of a reformed character.

    He spent some years in the 2010s working for a Catholic charity for a very small salary, and acknowledges that his scumbag younger self in No.10 was perhaps not the best person.
    That may well be the case but I think Parkiament should be a no go area for him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499
    edited April 22
    Roger said:

    Sacking Olly Robbins stands in the face of all things to do with fair play Labour are supposed to stand for. It reeks of unfairness and every Minister sent out to defend the decision is another good man pushed under a bus to protect the PM, The latest is Pat Mcfadden. It's horrible to watch.

    We expect it of the Tories but Labour should be better than this.

    Given the list of people pushed under the bus by previous Labour leaders (or even this one), what’s so very different with this one?

    David Kelly would wave hello. But he’s unavailable.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,909

    Foxy said:

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Yes, the stadium was half full last night, and I am hoarse this morning from singing "Sack the Board". The first half was appalling but the second half quite entertaining, but far too little too late by our players and missed half a dozen sitters. The story of the season. Poor finishing and shocking defending Begovic gifted Hull their first goal.

    The sad thing was that Hull were nothing special and on the brink of the playoffs. It was one of many games we could have won if we weren't a shambles on and off the pitch.

    Next season will be dire. Administration may well be possible, and further points deduction. See your* team next year may have the same too.

    What a mess. FFP seems to punish only lesser clubs while the Man City's and Chelseas of this world get barely a slap on the wrist.

    *sorry, confusing you with BJO 😀
    Man U in administration would be 'surprising'!
    I suspect whoever out of West Ham or Spurs that gets relegated are going to have a similar set of financial issues
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    There was a fundamental dishonesty involved, which is what makes it a grift. The people he was selling to thought they were buying photos from a real woman, and so they were deceived.

    Now, to a certain extent, if the photos were sold by a real woman there could still be an element of grift, in that the people buying photos would be encouraged to believe that they were doing so as part of a relationship with the seller. A lot of these sorts of para-social relationships between content creators and their customers can be a bit problematic, leading to issues at both ends.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    Roger said:

    Sacking Olly Robbins stands in the face of all things to do with fair play Labour are supposed to stand for. It reeks of unfairness and every Minister sent out to defend the decision is another good man pushed under a bus to protect the PM, The latest is Pat Mcfadden. It's horrible to watch.

    We expect it of the Tories but Labour should be better than this.

    Many of the cabinet will probably be out of a job if Starmer is replaced so it’s in their interests to keep him in post .

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    nico67 said:

    It just looks so obvious . Any move by Burnham to try and win a by-election is now just in effect an attempt to become leader .

    There’s going to be some resentment from some Labour MPs and where exactly will that by-election opening be ? Will he parachute himself into London which in the current climate is the only conceivable place where he’d have a better chance of winning .

    I think you identify a real problem for those expecting a Burnham coronation, as any by election he fights the electorate will feel they are being used for Burnham's ambitions

    Labour are in a real mess, but I am sure lots of plotting is going on to find a replacement for Starmer
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    PS. If Badenoch doesn't manage to get Starmer to beg to be allowed to resign after PMQs then i'd suggest it's time for the Tories to look for a replacement
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    Before Burnham's abortive coup a few months ago a long time friend gave me chapter and verse. Because I thought it indiscreet and I wasn't completely certain about its accuracy I didn't repeat it on here.

    I met him a few weeks later and congratulated him on being correct. I asked him where he got his information and he proudly told me. It was 100% watertight. His source was an unimpeachable client and he was proud to tell me who and how he knew him. He didn't even tell me to keep it to myself. Well he now tells me history is about to repeat itself.

    Another abortive coup ?
    A Burnham coup to the advantage of Burnham (ie becoming PM) requires a few imponderables, and without thinking them through remains either useless or only to the benefit of someone else.

    Vacant seat
    Being nominated
    Winning it
    Getting enough MPs to back you
    Winning the subsequent battle in which Burnham's ego is faced by other egos.

    Also: ensuring the PM doesn't time a resignation to forestall you.

    Each stage reduces the chance and increases the odds. The current 8/1 is too short. Can Roger outline the plan? I can't see it happening successfully.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,333

    Foxy said:

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Welcome to the future of astroturfing AI bots:

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamserwer.bsky.social/post/3mjssl3otck2v
    It’s been here, already, for a long time.

    The people who are paid to attempt to influence online debate use them to multiply their efforts.

    Some of our Saturday visitors were using LLM assistance, for example.
    From the NYT article it appears to be a one-sided effort in America:-

    The emergence of the A.I.-generated political avatars, researchers said, suggests a sweeping effort to hook conservative voters, a demographic primed by the president and his circle to accept memes, influencers, deepfakes and other digitally packaged messaging. Neither The Times nor the researchers it consulted found any similar left-leaning networks.

    From looking at YouTube shorts, I'd say a very high proportion of cute animal shorts are AI generated, and a lot of documentaries are AI-voiced, some clones of famous broadcasters like David Attenborough and Jeremy Clarkson (and probably others I do not recognise).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Foxy said:

    I think that the most likely way for Starmer to go is voluntarily. In part because it avoids an ignominious defenestration. Difficult that maybe, but also humiliating. There is a modest amount of dignity in going voluntarily, and also slightly more influence on the successor. I suspect that he favours Streeting out of the possibles.

    I don't think Starmer was planning to go just yet, but increasingly he looks like a lame duck. After the meltdown in May would be the best, and a new PM by conference.

    Why would it help to have a new PM just as we are about to face the reality of higher inflation from Iran (beyond just fuel)? They will get Trussed.

    Starmer leaving in 2027 is better for him and his replacement.
    Every day that Starmer stays on is another day of damage to Labour, another day of hardening voters' negative attitudes towards Labour, one day less for a new leader to implement reforms to turn the country around.
    You think a new leader has reforms that will turn the country around? Bless.

    We are constrained by the wars in Ukraine and Iran, and longer term our demographics. No leader of any party is going to fix this for us.
    If that's your prognosis then it hardly matters who leads Labour, or when. The party is going down to defeat at the next election regardless.
    Not quite. Probably they are going to lose, for sure. I would argue:

    2026 is known to be bad (but not yet fully factored in by the general public), whereas by 2027-8 Ukraine and Iran may or may not be settled. So some chance of the better situation.
    There should be a shortish honeymoon period of relief its not Starmer whoever takes over
    The longer a leader is in power before an election the harder it will be to avoid blame for economic reality beyond their control
    Making two leadership changes in the parliament is too many, re-enforces public perception of incompetence, and at the MP level leads to factions in constant tension

    Combined I think that makes 2027 significantly better for Labour prospects than 2026, where I suspect they may end up needing two changes over the term with the 2026 PM Trussed.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    Part of the problem is that, in U.K. politics, anyone of talent is seen as a rival. And must be destroyed.

    Thatcher didn’t do this. She had outspoken opponents in the cabinet all the way through. And was brought down by them, in the end.

    Think it began under Blair - his pushing out the hard left gradually morphed. The. We had Brown. Then the Brexit purges.
    Prominent ministers under Blair include Brown, Cook, Straw, Mowlam, Prescott, Darling, Blunkett, Milburn, Beckett, Reid, Mandelson, most of whom served significant time periods. It didn't start under Blair.
    Brown was already using McBride to attack potential rivals.

    Yes, such things had happened previously - but it was an escalation.
    ...and McBride now works in Parliament. Such an odious individual should not be allowed within 100 miles of Parliament.
    To be fair to him, McBride does now appear to be something of a reformed character.

    He spent some years in the 2010s working for a Catholic charity for a very small salary, and acknowledges that his scumbag younger self in No.10 was perhaps not the best person.
    That may well be the case but I think Parkiament should be a no go area for him.
    I would judge him on his behaviour in the current role. Few people are unreformable and we’ve all done silly things when we were younger. The guy is in his 50s now.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 580

    Starmer knows he is taking the Labour cause backwards. He would stand down if he felt there was somebody in his team who could do a better job.

    But he looks around and his inflated self-worth says "Nah. Nobody will do better."

    What is this 'Labour cause' of which you speak, Mark?

    As far as I can see there is no cause as such, just an attempt to run the shop reasonably sensibly. That isn't setting the bar very high, although some way higher than some of the governments of the past ten or so years.

    Unfortunately I can't see that Nobody would indeed do better. If Labour had a Nobody who might, the Party would surely be lining him up right now. They haven't, and they aren't.
    What on earth is sensible about spending more and more money on welfare we cannot afford, electricity prices around the highest in Europe and failing to increase defence spending? I could go on....
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,959
    I read that Olly Robbins knows the Book of Common Prayer(1662) off by heart.
    Top man and in knowing that fact, I have every confidence of his truthfulness.. rather than the wriggling and weaving of words by Starmer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,333

    Foxy said:

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Yes, the stadium was half full last night, and I am hoarse this morning from singing "Sack the Board". The first half was appalling but the second half quite entertaining, but far too little too late by our players and missed half a dozen sitters. The story of the season. Poor finishing and shocking defending Begovic gifted Hull their first goal.

    The sad thing was that Hull were nothing special and on the brink of the playoffs. It was one of many games we could have won if we weren't a shambles on and off the pitch.

    Next season will be dire. Administration may well be possible, and further points deduction. See your* team next year may have the same too.

    What a mess. FFP seems to punish only lesser clubs while the Man City's and Chelseas of this world get barely a slap on the wrist.

    *sorry, confusing you with BJO 😀
    I really sympathise with you and Leicester supporters who deserve better

    I agree that City and Chelsea need to be dealt with, though it looks like Chelsea players are doing it for them

    And yes Man Utd need 6 points over 5 games to be certain of Champions League football, though one win will mean Chelses cannot catch them
    Aiui the PL has moved to levies or fines rather than points deductions, so that's all right then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,086
    More quality reporting from the BBC News service. The envy of the world.

    Woman writes to neighbours about bin collections

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9me80ng3ko
  • Friendship with Emily Thornberry ended. She supports Robbins losing his job and still supports Sir Keir.

    Perhaps May elections will change things but I’m still not getting much of a sense of wanting Starmer out just yet.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    nico67 said:

    It just looks so obvious . Any move by Burnham to try and win a by-election is now just in effect an attempt to become leader .

    There’s going to be some resentment from some Labour MPs and where exactly will that by-election opening be ? Will he parachute himself into London which in the current climate is the only conceivable place where he’d have a better chance of winning .

    Burnham seems to be popular in Greater Manchester, so that would be the obvious region for a seat for Burnham to stand for election as an MP.

    I think that if Burnham were to present his campaign for election as an MP openly as a prelude to replacing Starmer then it would maximise his chances of winning any by-election. "Vote for me to get rid of the Prime Minister you loathe," is a pretty strong pitch for Labour sympathetic voters unhappy with the government.

    Excruciating for Starmer and government ministers though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,750

    Morning all.
    Reform regain a bit of the fall from last week's More in Common, otherwise little change this week, 'others' doing well though


    Small changes in this week’s voting intention as Reform’s lead grows to 5pts over the Tories and 7 over Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 27% (+2)
    🌳 CON 22% (nc)
    🌹 LAB 20% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (-1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-1)
    ❓OTH 5% (+2)
    🟡 SNP 3% (+1)

    N = 2,235 | Fieldwork 17-20/4 | Changes w/ 5/4

    Sleazy, broken Labour, Greens, and LibDems on the slide!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Foxy said:

    Sad to see Leicester relegated but also what on earth has happened to Chelsea

    5 games, 5 loses, no goals scored

    Yes, the stadium was half full last night, and I am hoarse this morning from singing "Sack the Board". The first half was appalling but the second half quite entertaining, but far too little too late by our players and missed half a dozen sitters. The story of the season. Poor finishing and shocking defending Begovic gifted Hull their first goal.

    The sad thing was that Hull were nothing special and on the brink of the playoffs. It was one of many games we could have won if we weren't a shambles on and off the pitch.

    Next season will be dire. Administration may well be possible, and further points deduction. See your* team next year may have the same too.

    What a mess. FFP seems to punish only lesser clubs while the Man City's and Chelseas of this world get barely a slap on the wrist.

    *sorry, confusing you with BJO 😀
    I really sympathise with you and Leicester supporters who deserve better

    I agree that City and Chelsea need to be dealt with, though it looks like Chelsea players are doing it for them

    And yes Man Utd need 6 points over 5 games to be certain of Champions League football, though one win will mean Chelses cannot catch them
    Aiui the PL has moved to levies or fines rather than points deductions, so that's all right then.
    The PL argued that Chelsea signing Hazard, Etoo, Willian, Matic, Ramires and Luiz illegally doesn't count as a sporting improvement so the sanction should be financial not points. At first I thought this ridiculously lenient, but then I gave due weight to Luiz, and perhaps it is fair enough.....
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219
    Is the notion that SKS would perhaps rather bring the whole edifice down and declare a GE rather than face the indiginity of being deposed an underpriced scenario? That's what Sunak did.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,740
    Roger said:

    Sacking Olly Robbins stands in the face of all things to do with fair play Labour are supposed to stand for. It reeks of unfairness and every Minister sent out to defend the decision is another good man pushed under a bus to protect the PM, The latest is Pat Mcfadden. It's horrible to watch.

    We expect it of the Tories but Labour should be better than this.

    The Robbins firing was the point of no return for Starmer as far as I am concerned. Scratching around for a scapegoat, particularly when the wrong one is selected, is the mark of a scoundrel. This is Johnsonian level buck passing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    This Scammer Used an AI-Generated MAGA Girl to Grift ‘Super Dumb’ Men

    A med student says he’s made thousands of dollars selling photos and videos of a young conservative woman he created using generative tools. He’s not alone.


    Like many medical school students, Sam was broke.

    The 22-year-old aspiring orthopedic surgeon from northern India got some money from his parents, but he says he spent most of it subsidizing his licensing exams, and he’s still saving up to hopefully emigrate to the US after graduation. So he started searching for ways to make additional money online.

    Sam, who requested a pseudonym to avoid jeopardizing his medical career and immigration status, tried a few things, with varying degrees of legitimacy and success. He made YouTube shorts and sold study notes to other med students. It wasn’t until he started scrolling through his Instagram feed that he landed on an idea: Why not make an AI-generated girl using Google Gemini’s Nano Banana Pro and sell bikini photos of her online?

    But when Sam started posting generic photos of a beautiful, scantily clad woman on Instagram, he was dismayed to find that none of the content was hitting. He turned to Gemini for advice. “If you create a generic ‘hot girl,’ you’re competing with a million other models,” it said, according to a transcript Sam provided to WIRED.


    https://www.wired.com/story/ai-generated-maga-girls/

    Haven’t read the article yet (although skimmed it and disappointed that there were no photos of “Emily hart”!)

    But I’m not it’s fair to call that “grift”. He worked to create a product - albeit ephemeral- which people were prepared to pay for. Isn’t that just capitalism?
    Here’s some photos of Emily Hart.

    FYI don’t open this link when your other half is about.

    https://nypost.com/2026/04/21/us-news/top-maga-influencer-emily-hart-revealed-to-be-ai-created-by-a-guy-in-india/
    With those sorts of marketing skills and morals he should have a stellar career in orthopedics. Just needs to practice the carpentry a bit too.
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