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edited April 16 in General
Keir today, gone tomorrow? – politicalbetting.com

My expectation is that Sir Keir Starmer will remain Prime Minister this year simply because it is not in Labour’s nature to oust leaders but a few months ago I said the Lord Mandelson story could be Sir Keir’s Chris Pincher moment, the appointment and subsequent lies that saw Boris Johnson ousted as Prime Minister.

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  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    Just in time for Kemi to get Starmer on the ropes at PMQs again before the local elections.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    MelonB said:

    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before

    Wordpess says this is the first time I’ve used this subtle pun in a headline.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,187
    edited April 16
    My hunch is that Angela Rayner will be PM within a few months. The local elections will be that bad.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    MelonB said:

    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before

    Wordpess says this is the first time I’ve used this subtle pun in a headline.
    Congrats 🥂
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,212

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    How many candidates are they fielding in the locals? How many will they have in the GE?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    It gets worse.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/16/officials-debate-withholding-mandelson-vetting-documents-from-parliament

    Senior government officials have been considering whether to withhold from parliament sensitive documents that show Peter Mandelson had failed security vetting before he assumed the role of US ambassador, the Guardian can reveal.

    Any such decision could amount to an extraordinary breach of a parliamentary vote which ordered the release of “all papers” relevant to Mandelson’s appointment.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    Bizarre, but then FON’s panel has long seemed to be made up of uniquely politically engaged people.

    In bloc terms it’s not a huge outlier: ResRefCon 48, LLG 46
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,618

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828
    It was Starmer's calculated risk. It failed, he should go.

    EVERYONE knows whose decision it was. I recall Lord Gove among others who have subsequently suffered from amnesia eulogising the genius of making Mandelson US Ambassador. Nice effort Keir, but Mandelson bit you on your ass, your decision, you carry the can, you have to go.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    edited April 16
    If Starmer over ruled the vetting process in terms of security clearance then surely he’s toast.

    I can’t see how he can survive this and it calls into question why on earth you’d take that chance ?

    It’s one thing appointing him after a less than stellar vetting process but one which although poor was followed properly.

    It’s a totally different scenario if he over ruled the security concerns .
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 320

    It gets worse.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/16/officials-debate-withholding-mandelson-vetting-documents-from-parliament

    Senior government officials have been considering whether to withhold from parliament sensitive documents that show Peter Mandelson had failed security vetting before he assumed the role of US ambassador, the Guardian can reveal.

    Any such decision could amount to an extraordinary breach of a parliamentary vote which ordered the release of “all papers” relevant to Mandelson’s appointment.

    So unfortunate that McSweeney's phone was binned, I mean stolen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    They are also over social media, I regularly get promoted tweets by Restore in my feed.

    They are for that subset who think Nigel Farage is a woke lefty who wants to Islamify Britain.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,568
    Surely the whole point of Starmer is that he may not be much good but at least he properly follows the process. If he doesn't even do that, what's the point of him?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828
    edited April 16

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    Four teams all within MoE and Rupert Bear's bunch on 9%. I should coco! Oh wait it's FoN. Do restore voters play the Postcode Lottery?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    How many candidates are they fielding in the locals? How many will they have in the GE?
    They have 10 in the LEs all in GY (9 county council, 1 district by) standing under GY First
    Lowe claims they have 400 constituency branches up and running.
    21% is, regardless, the lowest VI Find Out Now have had Reform on this parliament
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    MiC have a new Holyrood poll out
    Constituency
    🟡 SNP 32% (-1) 
🌹 LAB 19% (nc) 
➡️ REF UK 18% (nc) 
🌳 CON 12% (+1) 
🔶 LIB DEM 11% (nc) 
🌍 GREEN 7% (+1) 
⬜ OTHER 3% (+1) 

    Change vs 10 Feb 2026
    List
    🟡 SNP 27% (-4) 
🌹 LAB 17% (+1)
➡️ REF UK 17% (+1) 
🌳 CON 14% (+2) 
🔶 LIB DEM 12% (nc) 
🌍 GREEN 11% (nc) 
⬜ OTHER 2% (-1) 
    Change vs 10 Feb 2026

    I think Tryl has mistyped Con in the list - the tables visual has them on 13 not 14
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before

    Wordpess says this is the first time I’ve used this subtle pun in a headline.
    Congrats 🥂
    It's why I like Sir Keir and want him to stay as PM, he has a very punable name.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    But did he threaten to overrule them?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,193
    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828

    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

    You do surprise me BigG.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,193

    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

    You do surprise me BigG.
    You beat me to it
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,306
    edited April 16
    Cookie said:

    Surely the whole point of Starmer is that he may not be much good but at least he properly follows the process. If he doesn't even do that, what's the point of him?

    He still properly followed a process that contained convenient exceptions allowing an overrule. Genuinely. It is still proper process.

    I know, I know. But, Starmer believes this absolutely sincerely and because it is still proper process he will not see the issue at all.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    But did he threaten to overrule them?

    Paxman Howard joy.
    And it was just a filler question!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599

    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rime_of_the_Ancient_Mariner
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,924

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    They are also over social media, I regularly get promoted tweets by Restore in my feed.

    They are for that subset who think Nigel Farage is a woke lefty who wants to Islamify Britain.
    And that is 9% of the population? Are we sure this democracy thing is a good idea?
  • The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    DavidL said:

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    They are also over social media, I regularly get promoted tweets by Restore in my feed.

    They are for that subset who think Nigel Farage is a woke lefty who wants to Islamify Britain.
    And that is 9% of the population? Are we sure this democracy thing is a good idea?
    No on both accounts.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,146
    Should that be "former"? No chance of formal appointment by end June now

    If Starmer had over the UKSV personally, and agreed to release all the docs, surely there'd be leaks of preparations for his potential successors and SKS's departure?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before

    Wordpess says this is the first time I’ve used this subtle pun in a headline.
    Congrats 🥂
    It's why I like Sir Keir and want him to stay as PM, he has a very punable name.
    Rayner is also very punable.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    edited April 16
    Clearly you have been all mesmerised by the subtle pun in the headline and missed the utter genius of

    the then Foreign Secretary, David Lammy, who I struggle to see as the mastermind behind the appointment,
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,212

    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before

    Wordpess says this is the first time I’ve used this subtle pun in a headline.
    Congrats 🥂
    It's why I like Sir Keir and want him to stay as PM, he has a very punable name.
    Rayner is also very punable.
    You've missed out the CH.

    (And before anyone jumps down my throat, thats a joke, a play on words, and not an encouragement for someone to go out punch someone)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,306
    edited April 16

    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

    You do surprise me BigG.
    Who was it who said, I think, that Vince Cable had predicted 45 of the last 1 crashes, or similar?

    Ultimately, BigG WILL be proved right regarding Starmer's resignation.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,795

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    Labour in fourth, top six parties in a twelve-point range. Yikes.
  • MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m sure you’ve done that pun before

    Wordpess says this is the first time I’ve used this subtle pun in a headline.
    Congrats 🥂
    It's why I like Sir Keir and want him to stay as PM, he has a very punable name.
    Rayner is also very punable.
    Streeting too.

    Following the run of fishy Scottish leaders, Labour seems to have quite a run of punnable characters.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,212

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,924
    Pro_Rata said:

    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

    You do surprise me BigG.
    Who was it who said, I think, that Vince Cable had predicted 45 of the last 1 crashes, or similar?

    Ultimately, BigG WILL be proved right regarding Starmer's resignation.
    No, I think it was AEP in the Telegraph and it was a lot more predictions than that. See also the number of times the Euro was going to fall apart/ be deemed illegal by the German Constitutional Court.
  • StarryStarry Posts: 203

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    I suspect some are getting confused between Restore and Reform. Not in the same avenue as the Literal Democrats but in the same town.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    edited April 16
    You will hear of vetting and rumours of vetting but see to it you are not alarmed for such things must come to not pass

    No wonder Keir was such a tosser to Hoyle yesterday, Pippa must have told him he was getting rumbled today in the Guardian
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    edited April 16
    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,568
    AFAICS we have no Restore candidates in the locals in Trafford, though we have half a dozen Advance candidates.
    The only place I ever hear Restore mentioned is on here.
    How are they at 9%?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    I expect we’ll hear not the right time to change PM during a global crisis and other assorted excuses as to why Starmer needs to stay on .

    If the Guardian report is correct then it’s impossible for him to remain PM .

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195
    Pro_Rata said:

    Good afternoon

    What a headline and I just cannot see anything but a Starmer resignation

    You do surprise me BigG.
    Who was it who said, I think, that Vince Cable had predicted 45 of the last 1 crashes, or similar?

    Ultimately, BigG WILL be proved right regarding Starmer's resignation.
    I said it here about Burry, however plenty of others have used it too.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 649
    I know it's tempting to game-play various clever scenarios in which Sir Kier rides out this particular tsunami wave, but I think that's over-thinking it a bit too much. On the face of it, this is a disaster for Starmer. If he is very lucky, he will be able to find someone else to throw under the bus, but it's going to haunt him for years.

    The press and the opposition parties are going to have a field day. The Mandelson affair shows that Starmer's greatest attribute - his principled judgement - can be set aside at a moment's notice for reasons of expediency, cock-up or cover-up.

    Game over.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195
    Cookie said:

    AFAICS we have no Restore candidates in the locals in Trafford, though we have half a dozen Advance candidates.
    The only place I ever hear Restore mentioned is on here.
    How are they at 9%?

    People confuse them for Reform ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    FF43 said:

    Foxy said:

    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    MaxPB said:

    Well now, here's a surprise.

    @MaxPB for one has been saying this for a long time:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c937wldkkw8o

    Well it's been blatantly obvious that the rules around gay persecution and modern slavery have been exploited by fake asylum seekers for a decade. Both were ill thought out and we should revoke both routes immediately with no right of appeal. Anyone who was "advised" by these firms should also have their right to remain revoked immediately with deportation following within days and all of the lawyers should be disbarred and acharities involved should have their status revoked with the directors prosecutors for aiding immigration fraud alongside the lawyers.

    I think the Tories need to jump on this immediately and set themselves apart from Labour. Not only have these people lied to stay in the country, they've been aided by the establishment who have covered it up for years.

    Good on the BBC for looking at this and also publishing without fear. They could easily have buried the report or underplayed it. I hope The Times and other serious investigative outlets start taking these problems more seriously and also look at sham family reunions, fake slavery claims and all of the human rights lawyers, charities and scammers who enable this industrial scale fraud.
    I suspect you will find this system was set up by the Tories, as is the case with most of the issues that party jumps on.
    Who cares which party set it up. The point is to stop the abuse of the system as quickly as possible.
    Yes and no doubt the Home Secretary is on the case. I was pointing out the political problem for the Conservatives "jumping on this immediately" which is that like almost every issue they alight on, the problem started on their watch.
    I think the new rules pretty much cover this sort of abuse in that refugees no longer get ILR and even when granted leave to remain get reassessed every 30 months.

    BBC News - Refugee status becomes temporary in asylum shake-up - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp32ddzdjxko?app-referrer=deep-link

    While the numbers are very small claiming persecution on the grounds of homosexuality or Christianity etc, and do not have a good success rate whatever these dodgy lawyers claim, anyone doing this would have to prove their homosexuality or Christianity every 30 months indefinitely at reassessment. Those loopholes are already closed

    Obviously any lawyer promoting lies on asylum claims should be barred and prosecuted for fraud too.
    Looking at the report, it doesn't seem clear whether this ruse works or not.

    Is the scandal about weakness in the immigration system, or dodgy individuals selling promises they can't deliver? The equivalent of "cure your cancer with these special berries"?

    Probably a bit of both, but the ratio matters.
    Yes, in many ways the scandal is how dodgy immigration lawyers prey on vulnerable and desperate asylum seekers.
    Immigration Advice is tiered so a 'lawyer' can be a paralegal or just someone (like me) who worked at a charity with supervision. A lot of 'advice' is advice on form filling and likely not supervised by the SRA or Law Society. Seems to be something of an amplified version of what is actually happening.

    https://www.gov.uk/find-an-immigration-adviser/what-advisers-can-do

    Edit: I would say that many of the people I helped were genuinely in need of a safe haven but some were definitely out to play the system.
    Yes, my experience of asylum seekers is much the same, via both my church and my profession. Some desperate people fleeing terror and some chancers.
    The question is how many of those chancers end up getting asylum. Everyone apart from the previous Conservative government thinks decisions need to be speed up.
    The problem is that any process based on a universal right to asylum ends up as a shadow points-based immigration system with perverse incentives. The only solution is to abolish it and replace it with a discretionary system of the kind that worked successfully in the case of Ukraine.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,886
    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2044789026763247821

    Last September, Keir Starmer told Parliament three times that “full due process” was followed over the appointment of Lord Mandelson.

    We now know the Prime Minister misled the House.

    The Prime Minister must take responsibility.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2044789026763247821

    Last September, Keir Starmer told Parliament three times that “full due process” was followed over the appointment of Lord Mandelson.

    We now know the Prime Minister misled the House.

    The Prime Minister must take responsibility.

    She’s right,I’m afraid.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2044789026763247821

    Last September, Keir Starmer told Parliament three times that “full due process” was followed over the appointment of Lord Mandelson.

    We now know the Prime Minister misled the House.

    The Prime Minister must take responsibility.

    Proroguing on Tuesday so he can bunk PMQs it is then
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,193
    Ed Davey. PM must go if he lied to Parliament
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 320

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
    It's also unlikely that the Epstein relationship alone was what stopped him getting clearance. There might be a range of delights in the vetting documents to explode under the PM.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    Am I alone in thinking that it is disturbing that a former DPP seems to have no problem in lying to Parliament?

    However much he might self-justify what he has said, he has been squirly to the point where the truth has been obscured = lying in my book.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,505
    DavidL said:

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    They are also over social media, I regularly get promoted tweets by Restore in my feed.

    They are for that subset who think Nigel Farage is a woke lefty who wants to Islamify Britain.
    And that is 9% of the population? Are we sure this democracy thing is a good idea?
    I'd vote to increase the speed limit to 80mph on motorways. Go Rupert (who I happen to know is amassing some substantial backers and backing, fwiw). Who's with me.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/2044789026763247821

    Last September, Keir Starmer told Parliament three times that “full due process” was followed over the appointment of Lord Mandelson.

    We now know the Prime Minister misled the House.

    The Prime Minister must take responsibility.

    It's hard to say due process wasn't followed. Due process was followed and then Starmer over ruled due process, which he is entitled to do.

    He should still fall on his sword.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195

    Ed Davey. PM must go if he lied to Parliament

    He’s in a lot of trouble if he’s lost his number one cheerleader
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    edited April 16
    "Well, when the president a Good Person does it, that means that it is not illegal"
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 649
    Snap General Election? "Back me or sack me"? The international situation (and Starmer's good handling of it) might be the best way to force the Great British Public to face up to the impending horror of a ReformUK government. If he's really lucky, Trump could come out publicly for Farage.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,505
    edited April 16

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
    As a former DPP (has he mentioned that) surely he is at ease enough around cons and ex-cons not to routinely ditch them as a matter of expediency.

    Not to say that SKS isn't useless. He is, in an almost endearingly clueless way, just that we can't all go around ditching people who have broken the law. Look at Timpson's. Caveat ofc being the nature of the offences but the principle should remain inviolate.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    Oh yeah, very impartial when Hunt was called C*** - by "accident".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,376
    Why he failed vetting becomes a pertinent q
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,306

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
    In hindsight, a certain up-frontness would have been useful. Look, we're appointing someone who has a chequered record, it's a risk, but we're appointing a certain type of schmoozer* to deal with schmoozers and we think he could be useful in this specific role.

    Not everyone but enough would have nodded along at that and even from this side of events would have understood an idea that didn't come off.

    But politicians, and certainly Starmer, aren't built that way.

    * There may be more respectable words that would sit better here.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,924
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    They are also over social media, I regularly get promoted tweets by Restore in my feed.

    They are for that subset who think Nigel Farage is a woke lefty who wants to Islamify Britain.
    And that is 9% of the population? Are we sure this democracy thing is a good idea?
    I'd vote to increase the speed limit to 80mph on motorways. Go Rupert (who I happen to know is amassing some substantial backers and backing, fwiw). Who's with me.
    Yes, I would agree with that one. The safety improvements and braking capacity of modern cars make 80 now a lot safer than 70 was 20 years ago. Not going to vote for Rupert though (if I even get the option, which seems unlikely).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Pro_Rata said:

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
    In hindsight, a certain up-frontness would have been useful. Look, we're appointing someone who has a chequered record, it's a risk, but we're appointing a certain type of schmoozer* to deal with schmoozers and we think he could be useful in this specific role.

    Not everyone but enough would have nodded along at that and even from this side of events would have understood an idea that didn't come off.

    But politicians, and certainly Starmer, aren't built that way.

    * There may be more respectable words that would sit better here.
    In hindsight he should have said ‘Look Donald is a bit of a shit and who better to deal with him but another friend of Jeffrey.’
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,187
    edited April 16

    This appears to be a new poll with prompting for Restore:

    https://x.com/GBPolitcs/status/2044788323797905472

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    ➡️ REF: 21%
    🌳 CON: 18%
    🌍 GRN: 18%
    🌹 LAB: 17%
    🔶 LDM: 11%
    🇬🇧 RTB: 9% (Restore Britain)

    [@FindoutnowUK]

    I have no idea how Restore gets to 9% (rather than, say, just 1 or 2%) given that as fas as I can tell it's Rupert Lowe pumping out the occasional tweet.
    I predicted yesterday that Restore would be on 10%, but not until next year. So I was bit slow on the uptake there.

    There's no doubt that what one might describe as the "Carl Benjamin" element have lost confidence in Farage and are now supporting Lowe in a big way, and they are quite influential in those types of circles. That's why I made my 10% prediction.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Ten day ceasefire in Lebanon.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    Oh yeah, very impartial when Hunt was called C*** - by "accident".
    Have I ever mentioned I spent a number of hours talking to Jeremy Hunt? He was FS at the time. I found him very amenable. Shame about the Party he belongs to.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,306

    Pro_Rata said:

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
    In hindsight, a certain up-frontness would have been useful. Look, we're appointing someone who has a chequered record, it's a risk, but we're appointing a certain type of schmoozer* to deal with schmoozers and we think he could be useful in this specific role.

    Not everyone but enough would have nodded along at that and even from this side of events would have understood an idea that didn't come off.

    But politicians, and certainly Starmer, aren't built that way.

    * There may be more respectable words that would sit better here.
    In hindsight he should have said ‘Look Donald is a bit of a shit and who better to deal with him but another friend of Jeffrey.’
    Maybe a tad too direct but, yes, something that conveyed pretty much that exact meaning.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,924

    https://x.com/GregHeffer/status/2044796835538063529

    Starmer on 5 Feb: "There was... security vetting carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him clearance for the role, and you have to go through that before you take up the post."

    That's the key one. If he in fact failed the vetting that was a lie to Parliament.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    nico67 said:

    What seems to have happened is ridiculously Mandelson was appointed with a lot of fanfare before security’ clearance was passed .

    Maybe Starmer expected him to pass that . Then Mandelson failed the clearance . Pulling his appointment would have been a total embarrassment. Having to explain he was appointed before all the checks had been done .

    So it’s possible Starmer panicked, overruled and was hoping none of this would come out .

    If the report is accurate then I don’t see anyway he can survive this .

    I like the theory that like most normal people Sir Keir and his staff couldn’t get their heads around the idea that Mandy and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor would continue to be friends with a convicted nonce.

    Most of us would have cut ties the moment he was convicted if not sooner.
    Even that notion is bollocks. Starmer most likely knew that Mandelson had been chums with Epstein until the moment Epstein karked it. All the right wingers thought it was a great idea at the time. It probably was, but now it turns out it wasn't and people like Gove never thought it a good idea after all.

    The decision was Starmer's, the error was Starmer's. This is why he has to go quietly.
    In hindsight, a certain up-frontness would have been useful. Look, we're appointing someone who has a chequered record, it's a risk, but we're appointing a certain type of schmoozer* to deal with schmoozers and we think he could be useful in this specific role.

    Not everyone but enough would have nodded along at that and even from this side of events would have understood an idea that didn't come off.

    But politicians, and certainly Starmer, aren't built that way.

    * There may be more respectable words that would sit better here.
    In hindsight he should have said ‘Look Donald is a bit of a shit and who better to deal with him but another friend of Jeffrey.’
    Maybe a tad too direct but, yes, something that conveyed pretty much that exact meaning.
    I am noted for my bluntness/directness in my professional life.

    (It’s actually one of the reasons OGH asked me to edit PB, I am not one to equivocate, everybody knows where I stand.)
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,212

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    That's your view, others will differ. Lefties think the BBC is right wing. Right wing nutters think the BBC is the denizen of lefties.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    Oh yeah, very impartial when Hunt was called C*** - by "accident".
    Have I ever mentioned I spent a number of hours talking to Jeremy Hunt? He was FS at the time. I found him very amenable. Shame about the Party he belongs to.
    He came to Dartmouth to do a tea and cake session as part of his leadership drive. Amenable indeed.

    As indeed are many of the Conservative Party. An even greater proportion, since Reform's recruiting drive has hoovered up many of the shits.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,193
    Greens joined call for Starmer to resign
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/GregHeffer/status/2044796835538063529

    Starmer on 5 Feb: "There was... security vetting carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him clearance for the role, and you have to go through that before you take up the post."

    That's the key one. If he in fact failed the vetting that was a lie to Parliament.
    Technically he wasn’t speaking to parliament in that clip.

    I think we might be into ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky’ territory now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,924

    Greens joined call for Starmer to resign

    Still not necessarily wrong.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,212

    Greens joined call for Starmer to resign

    Well that will tip him over the edge.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828
    edited April 16

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    Oh yeah, very impartial when Hunt was called C*** - by "accident".
    Have I ever mentioned I spent a number of hours talking to Jeremy Hunt? He was FS at the time. I found him very amenable. Shame about the Party he belongs to.
    He came to Dartmouth to do a tea and cake session as part of his leadership drive. Amenable indeed.

    As indeed are many of the Conservative Party. An even greater proportion, since Reform's recruiting drive has hoovered up many of the shits.
    Still too many horrors to behold. Until you jettison all the fascists to Reform or Restore your party has no business assuming it is the Party of government. When you once again become Pro- EU Heathite Tories, call me.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420

    Ten day ceasefire in Lebanon.

    Is that so that Israel is free to bomb the shit out of Iran again?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/GregHeffer/status/2044796835538063529

    Starmer on 5 Feb: "There was... security vetting carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him clearance for the role, and you have to go through that before you take up the post."

    That's the key one. If he in fact failed the vetting that was a lie to Parliament.
    Technically he wasn’t speaking to parliament in that clip.

    I think we might be into ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky’ territory now.
    Downhill Skyr....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,193

    Greens joined call for Starmer to resign

    Well that will tip him over the edge.

    The question now is who in opposition hasn't ?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,356
    edited April 16
    Andy_JS said:

    My hunch is that Angela Rayner will be PM within a few months. The local elections will be that bad.

    She'll also probably be PM FOR a few months, when everybody works out how utterly incompetent she is and how no-one wants her except the nuttiest of the Labour Party.

    And the 2027 locals will probably be even worse.

    Still, all good sport ...
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/GregHeffer/status/2044796835538063529

    Starmer on 5 Feb: "There was... security vetting carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him clearance for the role, and you have to go through that before you take up the post."

    That's the key one. If he in fact failed the vetting that was a lie to Parliament.
    Technically he wasn’t speaking to parliament in that clip.

    I think we might be into ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky’ territory now.
    Starmer mentions the vetting to the House here. He doesn't, however, actually say he passed it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,924

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    That's your view, others will differ. Lefties think the BBC is right wing. Right wing nutters think the BBC is the denizen of lefties.
    And the smug barstewards in the BBC think if they get criticised by everybody that is somehow ok and "proves" that they are doing fine. Its an interesting way of thinking, that is for sure. Try applying it to a referee who makes bad penalty decisions at both ends.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599

    Ten day ceasefire in Lebanon.

    Is that so that Israel is free to bomb the shit out of Iran again?
    Perhaps, perhaps not, I did read overnight that Trump is coming round to Vance’s viewpoint that Bibi tricked him into bombing Iran and it is all Bibi’s fault and that if Israel didn’t stop bombing Lebanon he’d pull support for Israel.

    As I said last week, Israel may not have a friend left in the world soon.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,819

    https://x.com/GregHeffer/status/2044796835538063529

    Starmer on 5 Feb: "There was... security vetting carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him clearance for the role, and you have to go through that before you take up the post."

    Keir and Present Danger?
  • StarryStarry Posts: 203

    The Chancellor and Energy Secretary will signal plans to break the link that means Brits pay gas-level prices for electricity, even when power like wind and solar is doing much of the work.

    https://x.com/martinabettt/status/2044794902253297680

    Actually a good idea

    Labour ( by their standards) have had a good news day. Growth, preempting the CO2 crisis and NHS waiting lists. They even got a cautious/ grudging welcome from Nick Ferrari, but on BBC WATO Labour had experienced a shocker.

    If anyone is shocked by the decision that the Mandelson gamble was anything other than Starmer's throw of the dice they are not very good at reading political discourse.
    Life can be unfair. Britain was booming in 1997 but Major was turfed out anyway.
    The BBC are supposed to be impartial. Sarah Montague is not.
    Oh yeah, very impartial when Hunt was called C*** - by "accident".
    "Welcome to the BBC, broadcasting on behalf of the Conservative Party" - Young Ones TV series
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    Foss said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/GregHeffer/status/2044796835538063529

    Starmer on 5 Feb: "There was... security vetting carried out independently by the security services, which is an intensive exercise that gave him clearance for the role, and you have to go through that before you take up the post."

    That's the key one. If he in fact failed the vetting that was a lie to Parliament.
    Technically he wasn’t speaking to parliament in that clip.

    I think we might be into ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky’ territory now.
    Starmer mentions the vetting to the House here. He doesn't, however, actually say he passed it.
    That’s my kind of pedantry and sophistry, which keeps me in a job.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,212

    Greens joined call for Starmer to resign

    Well that will tip him over the edge.

    The question now is who in opposition hasn't ?
    You've been around long enough to know that opposition calls for resignation are mostly performative. Its his own party that decides if it is a problem or not.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    Rayner still has the HMRC investigation hanging over her .

    Maybe Starmer asked them to go slow !
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195

    Ten day ceasefire in Lebanon.

    Is that so that Israel is free to bomb the shit out of Iran again?
    They’re locked and loaded and ready to go and Iran are threatening to do the same. It’s a cheery thought. How on earth is the S&P at a record high ?

    ‘ Iran's Seyed Mohammad Marandi:

    “Because of Netanyahu and Trump, Iran is preparing to destroy everything in the Persian Gulf - including all critical infrastructure in the UAE, Saudi, Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait. Temperatures will rise, the Peninsula will become uninhabitable, and the global economy will crash.”’

    https://x.com/osint613/status/2044781309181002209?s=61
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599
    nico67 said:

    Rayner still has the HMRC investigation hanging over her .

    Maybe Starmer asked them to go slow !

    It’s going to be Ed Miliband!
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