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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219

    Maybe Waitrose or M&S might sell "doughnuts", I don't know.

    But Asda and Aldi happily sell donuts.

    image

    Tells its own story.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    Most complex? That's literally the word "set".

    464 different meanings.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Labour should invite Vance over for an extended visit to UK.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,008

    Fuck this. I am literally going to bed.

    We can literally expect you to post again shortly, then.
    There is no other way to post than literally.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    On JD Vance's campaigning skills: When he ran for the Senate in Ohio, polls showed he was in trouble, and so Mitch McConnell arranged for additional funds to go to his campaign. (Ohio's Republican Party is one of the strongest in the US, so I am sure they helped, too.)

    Vance announced his Senate campaign in Ohio on July 1, 2021.[3] On May 3, 2022, he won the Republican primary with 32% of the vote,[93] defeating multiple candidates, including Josh Mandel (23%) and Matt Dolan (22%).[94] On November 8, in the general election, Vance defeated Democratic nominee Tim Ryan with 53% of the vote to Ryan's 47%.[3][95] This vote share was considered a vast underperformance compared to other Ohio Republicans, especially in the coinciding gubernatorial election.[96]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JD_Vance#U.S._Senate_(2023–2025)

    Incumbent Republican governor Mike DeWine did slightly better than Vance in 2022: 62.41% to 37.38%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Ohio_gubernatorial_election.

    In most US races, being able to smile is an asset, something Vance seems to be unaware of.

    No, I don't know why Peter Thiel backed Vance in that race -- but would like to.)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    IDK, should European politicians really have tried to emphasise the European aspect of this national vote?

    Hungarians have said "yes to Europe" with this vote, Magyar says.

    The new government has a great task ahead, he tells the huge crowd, and calls on them to celebrate peacefully tonight, before beginning the "healing" of the country tomorrow.

    He says his party will work every day to earn the trust that was given to them with this victory.

    Magyar also calls on Viktor Orbán not to take any action between now and formally leaving office which would obstruct the job of the new government when it is formed.

    He says the "puppets" of the Orbán government must go and the institutions of the state have to change.

    Checks and balances will be restored, he vows, telling supporters he will restore Hungarian democracy.

    As he speak, the crowd chants "Europe".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2d8zw2d3rkt

    (Yes, obviously some specific national matters mentioned, but for a Euro to focus on the Euro makes sense)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    Labour should invite Vance over for an extended visit to UK.

    Don't even joke about it in case it were to happen.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,008
    Will leaders be Hungary for the endorsement of Trump?

    No, I expect Trump and Vance will find themselves Austriacised in future.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    kle4 said:

    Labour should invite Vance over for an extended visit to UK.

    Don't even joke about it in case it were to happen.
    Didn't he stay in Kilmarnock the last time he was here?

    He won't be back.
  • Fuck this. I am literally going to bed.

    We can literally expect you to post again shortly, then.
    There is no other way to post than literally.
    🤔

    👎
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited April 12
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    JD Vance, AKA the Dim Reaper

    Behave, he’s a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dim lawyer.
    Even all the ones who go into politics because they cannot hack it in the legal profession?
    Law and politics are different professions, Cherie Blair was a far better lawyer than Tony but he was a brilliant politician.

    If you want to be a brilliant lawyer focus on law, if you want to be a brilliant politician focus on politics, rarely is a brilliant lawyer also a brilliant politician. The PM can hire the brilliant lawyers to be his Attorney General or lead the Justice Department anyway

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,008

    Fuck this. I am literally going to bed.

    We can literally expect you to post again shortly, then.
    There is no other way to post than literally.
    🤔

    👎
    Fair cop guv!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    Rory leads by 3 with 5 to play.
  • AndypetsAndypets Posts: 13
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    SNP?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219
    ...
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited April 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, the Australian Liberals and Nationals Coalition from 1949 to 1972 and the Canadian Liberals from 1935 to 1957.

    Plus the US Democrats held the presidency for 20 years from 1933 to 1953 and held Congress for 18 of those years too
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498
    edited April 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Sir Robert Walpole - 20 years, 314 days
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 916

    ...

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
    Are there any Iranian ships going anywhere at the moment?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,602
    edited April 12

    Maybe Waitrose or M&S might sell "doughnuts", I don't know.

    But Asda and Aldi happily sell donuts.

    image

    Tells its own story.
    You say if I say 'donut' I should be corrected. Why? What business is it of yours?

    I would encourage the correction of a youngster. I would certainly expect it of an English teacher to a pupil, although context is important, so there are circumstances where 'donut' is not only acceptable, but appropriate, eg in reference to a product or slang.

    But people here don't need correcting. It has nothing to do with being upset by being corrected, it's just plain rude.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    edited April 12
    Gaussian said:

    ...

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
    Are there any Iranian ships going anywhere at the moment?
    Yes currently the majority of the ships traveling down the strait are carrying Iranian oil but the ships will be Chinese / indian
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498
    Gaussian said:

    ...

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
    Are there any Iranian ships going anywhere at the moment?
    Nearly none of the ships carrying Iranian oil will be flagged to Iran.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Swedish Social Democratic Party it seems.

    Tage Erlander (no, me neither), was PM for 23 years alone from 1946-1969 (apparently much of the time in minority government).

    Funnily enough his wikipedia page says his last election was his most successful then he retired a year later.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876

    Rory leads by 3 with 5 to play.

    I don’t understand the Rory love in the UK.He chooses to play for the Republic of Ireland at the Olympics and has questionable behaviour in his marriage which would sink politicians and some celebs. He’s a bit of a dull twat and he plays golf for a career. Mystified. Why isn’t Justin Rose given the same adulation?
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 916
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Does Mexico count? PRI. 71 years.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Rory leads by 3 with 5 to play.

    5 pars should do it from here I'd say but according to some pb experts he is incapable of tying his own shoelaces.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 916
    eek said:

    Gaussian said:

    ...

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
    Are there any Iranian ships going anywhere at the moment?
    Yes currently the majority of the ships traveling down the strait are carrying Iranian oil but the ships will be Chinese / indian
    Well, that should be interesting then. 😬
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,781
    edited April 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, many, if you include coalitions then in Europe some parties have gone many-decades being ever-present in power. Sweden's Social Democrats and Italy's Christian Democrats were coincidentally both in power for 44 years.

    If you count Japan as part of the "West" then the LPJ held majority office for 28 years.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited April 12
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, the Australian Liberals and Nationals Coalition from 1949 to 1972 and the Canadian Liberals from 1935 to 1957.

    Plus the US Democrats held the presidency for 20 years from 1933 to 1953 and held Congress for 18 of those years too
    Plus the German CDU from 1949 to 1969 and Italian Christian Democrats from 1946 to 1981
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,983
    eek said:

    Gaussian said:

    ...

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
    Are there any Iranian ships going anywhere at the moment?
    Yes currently the majority of the ships traveling down the strait are carrying Iranian oil but the ships will be Chinese / indian
    Stopping a Chinese tanker would be ... interesting.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,647
    boulay said:

    Rory leads by 3 with 5 to play.

    I don’t understand the Rory love in the UK.He chooses to play for the Republic of Ireland at the Olympics and has questionable behaviour in his marriage which would sink politicians and some celebs. He’s a bit of a dull twat and he plays golf for a career. Mystified. Why isn’t Justin Rose given the same adulation?
    Cos rory has the it factor. Rose doesn't
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, the Australian Liberals and Nationals Coalition from 1949 to 1972 and the Canadian Liberals from 1935 to 1957.

    Plus the US Democrats held the presidency for 20 years from 1933 to 1953 and held Congress for 18 of those years too
    Plus the German CDU from 1949 to 1969 and Italian Christian Democrats from 1946 to 1981
    How about the SNP?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    edited April 12
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    I think some West German chancellors lasted that long. Okay, not quite, Kohl and Merkel each lasted just over 16 years.

    But the CDU were in power from 1949-1969.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited April 12

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, the Australian Liberals and Nationals Coalition from 1949 to 1972 and the Canadian Liberals from 1935 to 1957.

    Plus the US Democrats held the presidency for 20 years from 1933 to 1953 and held Congress for 18 of those years too
    Plus the German CDU from 1949 to 1969 and Italian Christian Democrats from 1946 to 1981
    How about the SNP?
    Not the UK government, though at Holyrood yes albeit only with 1 majority so far
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    Gaussian said:

    ...

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    That says to and from non-Iranian ports. That seems to be just laying the ground rules that it's just Iranian ships they'll be stopping.
    Are there any Iranian ships going anywhere at the moment?
    There are a fair number of Iranian cargo ships in the strait according to my Marine Traffic App. A 53 000 ton Iranian container ship arriving shortly in Bandar Abbas from Malaysia for example. Quite a few Iranian tugs and fishing vessels too.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    Also, how can the US Navy know which ships have paid a toll to Iran?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    98.19% counted.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, the Australian Liberals and Nationals Coalition from 1949 to 1972 and the Canadian Liberals from 1935 to 1957.

    Plus the US Democrats held the presidency for 20 years from 1933 to 1953 and held Congress for 18 of those years too
    Plus the German CDU from 1949 to 1969 and Italian Christian Democrats from 1946 to 1981
    How about the SNP?
    If subnational government counts then the CSU must be the winners.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Yes, the Australian Liberals and Nationals Coalition from 1949 to 1972 and the Canadian Liberals from 1935 to 1957.

    Plus the US Democrats held the presidency for 20 years from 1933 to 1953 and held Congress for 18 of those years too
    Plus the German CDU from 1949 to 1969 and Italian Christian Democrats from 1946 to 1981
    How about the SNP?
    If subnational government counts then the CSU must be the winners.
    And if you look at supranational then the European People's Party has had a plurality of the European Parliament from 1999 to date.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    Foxy said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    Also, how can the US Navy know which ships have paid a toll to Iran?
    For example a 24 000 ton Panamanian cargo ship is hugging the Iranian coastline on its course from Oman to Iraq. How does it do this without Iranian permission?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,646
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    Urho Kekkonen was president of Finland from 1956 to 1982, re-elected multiple times. He was prime minister before that.

    Fianna Fáil was in power in Ireland almost continuously been 1931 and 2011, a period of 80 years.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    Foxy said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    Also, how can the US Navy know which ships have paid a toll to Iran?
    Check their credit card statements?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Foxy said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
    Also, how can the US Navy know which ships have paid a toll to Iran?
    Any that haven't paid a toll to the US Navy, but which is not attacked by Iran.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
    The word "set" has 464 different meanings.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    (The record of Revolutionaries / national liberation movements who go into government is not a good one: one could argue the same for the first half century of Ireland post Independence; the PRI in Mexico; Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe; and others.)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
    The word "set" has 464 different meanings.
    How many can you define without consulting a dictionary?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
    The word "set" has 464 different meanings.
    How many can you define without consulting a dictionary?
    Yes.
  • rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
    The word "set" has 464 different meanings.
    Do you know the full set of those 464 meanings? Because you set that record an hour ago; are you set upon informing this a set number of times, or should we set aside an expectation for this to be set in all our minds?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    rcs1000 said:

    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    Any better at all since they've had to enter a coalition?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    rcs1000 said:

    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    (The record of Revolutionaries / national liberation movements who go into government is not a good one: one could argue the same for the first half century of Ireland post Independence; the PRI in Mexico; Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe; and others.)

    Not to mention the Bolsheviks.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
    The word "set" has 464 different meanings.
    Do you know the full set of those 464 meanings? Because you set that record an hour ago; are you set upon informing this a set number of times, or should we set aside an expectation for this to be set in all our minds?
    Yes, but he is useful, a fact that distresses some people to the point of encoding it in a portable tape device.

    An upset asset cassette, in fact.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,562
    rcs1000 said:

    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    (The record of Revolutionaries / national liberation movements who go into government is not a good one: one could argue the same for the first half century of Ireland post Independence; the PRI in Mexico; Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe; and others.)

    Such as ZaNuLabour and the Waffen Yes Yes.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    El colapso es total.
    I'm gonna keep and cherish that phrase from tonight.
    And use it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    dixiedean said:

    El colapso es total.
    I'm gonna keep and cherish that phrase from tonight.
    And use it.

    You'll probably get to use it about Labour next month...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    dixiedean said:

    El colapso es total.
    I'm gonna keep and cherish that phrase from tonight.
    And use it.

    You'll probably get to use it about Labour next month...
    Don't doubt it.
  • Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    They can afford to.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    98.67% counted.

    Still 138.

    I think we can call that a wrap.

    Night all.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Azealia Banks comes out as a fan of David Cameron

    https://x.com/iiwasinthee212/status/2043437616473821262
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,148
    Péter Magyar was a supporter of Fidesz until 2024.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Péter_Magyar
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Andy_JS said:

    Péter Magyar was a supporter of Fidesz until 2024.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Péter_Magyar

    Sure, I mean his wife was the Minister of Justice.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    Because politics is now about social issues rather than economics. Wealthy people go to university and value liberal social freedoms.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    A prediction:

    Orban was the link, both real and perceived, between 'national populism' and appeasement of Russia and Putin and this served to delegitimise right-wing politics among European elites. The fall of Orban changes this equation and will have a cascading effect by breaking the link across Europe, with the result that Europe will simultaneously move to the right and be tougher on Putin.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,352
    rcs1000 said:

    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    (The record of Revolutionaries / national liberation movements who go into government is not a good one: one could argue the same for the first half century of Ireland post Independence; the PRI in Mexico; Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe; and others.)

    The average South African today is much better off today than 30 years ago, plus of course they got rid of apartheid.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,562

    A prediction:

    Orban was the link, both real and perceived, between 'national populism' and appeasement of Russia and Putin and this served to delegitimise right-wing politics among European elites. The fall of Orban changes this equation and will have a cascading effect by breaking the link across Europe, with the result that Europe will simultaneously move to the right and be tougher on Putin.

    I suspect it has more to do with internal Hungarian politics and rather less to do with foreign affairs.

    That's just the lens we see it through, because we're not Hungarian.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 1,064
    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    I have no sources for any of this, is pure intuit:

    Depending upon what you mean by wealthy, the routes for becoming so have changed. At the "top end" of wealth, we retain the usual two methods - self made and inheritance. The former while being extremely diverse are overall neither more or less right wing I think. The inherited lot I'd guess are marginally more left wing, being less insulated from the lower classes than they used to be.

    For those at the lower rungs though - it's become easier and easier to get minor wealth through generalist upper middle manager type stuff, and harder and harder through risk taking and dynanism.

    My great hope is that AI will change this, as risk/reward is changing again in favour of the risk takers.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    Because politics is now about social issues rather than economics. Wealthy people go to university and value liberal social freedoms.
    It is about both, wealthy people voted against Corbyn and now vote against Farage
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,781
    edited April 12
    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    (The record of Revolutionaries / national liberation movements who go into government is not a good one: one could argue the same for the first half century of Ireland post Independence; the PRI in Mexico; Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe; and others.)

    The average South African today is much better off today than 30 years ago, plus of course they got rid of apartheid.
    The latter is true, not sure the former is.

    Hard to get accurate data as median figures aren't cleanly published like in the UK, but in the early 1990s the median (not white) South African was estimated to have a comparable income to the median Pole. Now Poles are massively better off than South Africans.

    If you don't like a European example you can look around the globe. South Africa has underperformed most nations that were comparably developed to it in the 1990s, not just Eastern Europe but Thailand, Malaysia, Chile and more.

    Apartheid may be over, but economically South Africans are not doing well.

    What is noteworthy too is that economic equality has not improved under ANC rule. SA's Gini coefficient today is basically the same as it was at the end of apartheid, which is absolutely incredible!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    I have no sources for any of this, is pure intuit:

    Depending upon what you mean by wealthy, the routes for becoming so have changed. At the "top end" of wealth, we retain the usual two methods - self made and inheritance. The former while being extremely diverse are overall neither more or less right wing I think. The inherited lot I'd guess are marginally more left wing, being less insulated from the lower classes than they used to be.

    For those at the lower rungs though - it's become easier and easier to get minor wealth through generalist upper middle manager type stuff, and harder and harder through risk taking and dynanism.

    My great hope is that AI will change this, as risk/reward is changing again in favour of the risk takers.
    As long as AI doesn't automate half the jobs without replacing them, entrepreneurs who take risks and build successful organisations and create popular new products have always been well rewarded
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    A prediction:

    Orban was the link, both real and perceived, between 'national populism' and appeasement of Russia and Putin and this served to delegitimise right-wing politics among European elites. The fall of Orban changes this equation and will have a cascading effect by breaking the link across Europe, with the result that Europe will simultaneously move to the right and be tougher on Putin.

    I suspect it has more to do with internal Hungarian politics and rather less to do with foreign affairs.

    That's just the lens we see it through, because we're not Hungarian.
    Indeed:

    People in Hungary got poorer in the last four years, while those connected with Fidasz got richer.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    rkrkrk said:

    rcs1000 said:

    The ANC has been in power for 30+ years in South Africa.

    And a fat lot of good that's done ordinary South Africans.

    (The record of Revolutionaries / national liberation movements who go into government is not a good one: one could argue the same for the first half century of Ireland post Independence; the PRI in Mexico; Zanu-PF in Zimbabwe; and others.)

    The average South African today is much better off today than 30 years ago, plus of course they got rid of apartheid.
    The latter is true, not sure the former is.

    Hard to get accurate data as median figures aren't cleanly published like in the UK, but in the early 1990s the median (not white) South African was estimated to have a comparable income to the median Pole. Now Poles are massively better off than South Africans.

    If you don't like a European example you can look around the globe. South Africa has underperformed most nations that were comparably developed to it in the 1990s, not just Eastern Europe but Thailand, Malaysia, Chile and more.

    Apartheid may be over, but economically South Africans are not doing well.

    What is noteworthy too is that economic equality has not improved under ANC rule. SA's Gini coefficient today is basically the same as it was at the end of apartheid, which is absolutely incredible!
    I'm not sure that's quite true: the median South African in 1990 lived in a township, in what can be best described as informal accommodation.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,589
    Worst take of the night.

    Just thanked Viktor Orban at the end of the Hungarian Presidency for being our secret weapon and helping us bring down the EU project.
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/88164439928483840
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    Nigelb said:

    Worst take of the night.

    Just thanked Viktor Orban at the end of the Hungarian Presidency for being our secret weapon and helping us bring down the EU project.
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/88164439928483840

    That's from 2011
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    Trump and Musk are left wing?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748

    rcs1000 said:

    MelonB said:

    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
    You need to the read Christopher Brookmyre's The Sacred Art of Stealing.
    The word "set" has 464 different meanings.
    Do you know the full set of those 464 meanings? Because you set that record an hour ago; are you set upon informing this a set number of times, or should we set aside an expectation for this to be set in all our minds?
    Game, Set and Match!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,589
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Worst take of the night.

    Just thanked Viktor Orban at the end of the Hungarian Presidency for being our secret weapon and helping us bring down the EU project.
    https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/88164439928483840

    That's from 2011
    My bad.
    Not my best yesterday as I had food poisoning.

    But it does serve as a reminder if the length and depth of the relationship.
    https://www.desmog.com/2026/04/08/mapped-the-reform-farage-orban-network/
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,440

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    Just wait until Trump is deposed.
    Hopefully sooner than 16 years
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,440

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    Because it isn't unflammable.
    Action and inaction;
    Activity and inactivity;
    Attentive and etc.etc etc
    Intense
    Invest
    Incarcerate
    Inebriation

    An "in" prefix is not always the same as an "un".
    Incarcerate and carcerate mean the same thing so the “in” can have multiple meanings or none.

    Got to love English!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,440

    Scott_xP said:

    @iandunt.bsky.social‬

    To 'Vance'; verb, to fuck up.


    To Rubio. To not be in the room when the fuck up happens. Nor even to be in the same continent.
    There was a story somewhere about the decision making for the Iran war

    - Hegseth was in favour
    - Vance opposed
    - Rubio sat on the fence

    I mean, how does the *Secretary of State* not have a definitive position on something that could upend his country’s global foreign policy?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    Scott_xP said:

    @iandunt.bsky.social‬

    To 'Vance'; verb, to fuck up.


    To Rubio. To not be in the room when the fuck up happens. Nor even to be in the same continent.
    There was a story somewhere about the decision making for the Iran war

    - Hegseth was in favour
    - Vance opposed
    - Rubio sat on the fence

    I mean, how does the *Secretary of State* not have a definitive position on something that could upend his country’s global foreign policy?
    Is "in favour" a euphemism for "pissed"?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,137
    Well done to Mr Hungary !
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,440
    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    Three reasons (in the UK)

    - the relative rise of high paid public sector roles
    - The increased importance of government funding for private business (eg that green energy chap)
    - The cohort effect for people in the late 40s/early 50s who became political aware under Major’s government and have had a sustained anti-Tory lean for all their lives but are now approaching peak wealth
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,440

    A prediction:

    Orban was the link, both real and perceived, between 'national populism' and appeasement of Russia and Putin and this served to delegitimise right-wing politics among European elites. The fall of Orban changes this equation and will have a cascading effect by breaking the link across Europe, with the result that Europe will simultaneously move to the right and be tougher on Putin.

    I suspect it has more to do with internal Hungarian politics and rather less to do with foreign affairs.

    That's just the lens we see it through, because we're not Hungarian.
    Hopefully someone will run the headline “Hungary for change”
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,440
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @iandunt.bsky.social‬

    To 'Vance'; verb, to fuck up.


    To Rubio. To not be in the room when the fuck up happens. Nor even to be in the same continent.
    There was a story somewhere about the decision making for the Iran war

    - Hegseth was in favour
    - Vance opposed
    - Rubio sat on the fence

    I mean, how does the *Secretary of State* not have a definitive position on something that could upend his country’s global foreign policy?
    Is "in favour" a euphemism for "pissed"?
    It literally might be
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,355
    edited April 13

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    Classic EU though, they are happy to pose as a club of democracies, but only as long as democracy delivers the right result.

    And, just like Trump or Putin, they use all the tools at their disposal to ensure that it does. Berlusconi was another example - Merkel and the EU pretty much arranged his deposition after he finally got something right, calling the euro out for the economic disaster that it was. The Greek referendum was yet another one. And of course our own referendum, where they did everything they could to frustrate the outcome which their arrogance and incompetence beforehand had ensured. And the numerous other referenda on EU treaties where people have been required to vote again until they got the right answer. As our electorate is slightly less cowardly than others in the EU, as soon as Cameron announced that future EU treaties were subject to referenda, I knew our membership was on borrowed time.

    The EU interferes less than those two not because it has more scruples, but because it is weaker, and is perhaps slightly wiser in realising that interference can be counter-productive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    Andy_JS said:

    Has any political party in the West ever stayed in power longer than the Tories' 18 years from 1979 to 1997?

    That's not even the longest in Britain. The Ulster Unionists were in power in Northern Ireland from 1921 to 1972.

    Admittedly the system was less than perfectly democratic but it's still the record.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511

    Scott_xP said:

    @iandunt.bsky.social‬

    To 'Vance'; verb, to fuck up.


    To Rubio. To not be in the room when the fuck up happens. Nor even to be in the same continent.
    There was a story somewhere about the decision making for the Iran war

    - Hegseth was in favour
    - Vance opposed
    - Rubio sat on the fence

    I mean, how does the *Secretary of State* not have a definitive position on something that could upend his country’s global foreign policy?
    The tragic answer to that question is nobody in the regime has real jobs. They were all appointed based on vibes and are maximising the taxpayers expense, but none of them are actually working much
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    Not just a win, but a big, decisive win. Kudos to the Hungarians. What a shame Vance had a wasted trip…or maybe he tipped the balance!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,934
    Pulpstar said:

    Well done to Mr Hungary !

    They have been starved of good government for too long.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    Meanwhile, the Mad King has had another totally mad one overnight

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2043564642291568855?s=20
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @writesbright.bsky.social‬

    In absolutely chef’s kiss timing, Matthew Goodwin is due to speak at Orbán’s in-house propaganda group MCC *today*

    Badloss strikes again.

    https://bsky.app/profile/writesbright.bsky.social/post/3mje3scwrb22l
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,185
    This comment on BBC website is strangely familiar

    "Magyar has promised to reverse Orbán-era changes to education and health, tackle corruption, (restore the independence of the judiciary) and kill off the widely loathed system of patronage (known as NER) that helped enrich party loyalists and squander state resources.

    Remove the bits in brackets and it's very close to the disgeaceful actions of Tory Government s 1979 - 1997 and 2019 - 2024....

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    Andy_JS said:

    The political question I'd most like to know the answer to is: why have wealthy people become more left-wing over recent decades?

    Three reasons (in the UK)

    - the relative rise of high paid public sector roles
    - The increased importance of government funding for private business (eg that green energy chap)
    - The cohort effect for people in the late 40s/early 50s who became political aware under Major’s government and have had a sustained anti-Tory lean for all their lives but are now approaching peak wealth
    Cohort effects in political opinion and voting behaviour are under appreciated, because they take so long to play out. Those of us young under Mrs T have struggled with the concept of voting Tory ever since.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    Scott_xP said:

    Meanwhile, the Mad King has had another totally mad one overnight

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2043564642291568855?s=20

    That really is extraordinarily delusional.

    Then we have the rant about the Pope...

    https://bsky.app/profile/nothoodlum.bsky.social/post/3mjdq4aeouc26
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