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  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,654

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    It literally does.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    As some national politicians are more pro or anti-EU (or EU institutions), so those institutions will be more pro or anti those national politicians. If she'd not said it she'd still have thought it, so best it be said.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Literally dickless??
    Yes it's true, this man has no dick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7OJR9ALVnc
    Peck was a dick but not a bad guy.

    In the latest one he literally (in both senses) did nothing wrong, and still got portrayed as unfair.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    Because it isn't unflammable.
    Action and inaction;
    Activity and inactivity;
    Attentive and etc.etc etc
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222

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    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Words absolutely can mean both things, whether you like it or not.

    We use context to ascertain intended meaning all the time.
    So what does 'Peter Kay was so funny I literally pissed myself' mean?
    Given context, I would assume it was being humorously used to mean figuratively, and did not literally involve someone urinating on themselves.

    Are you going to ban sarcasm and all other times when words are used to convey the opposite of their literal meaning too?
    Why would you assume that? Involuntary peeing when laughing uncontrollably is not an unheard-of phenomenon. The reality is, you don't know what it means without checking for stains.

    Someone can quite happily claim they pissed themselves laughing when they didn't - they don't need to add the word 'literally'. That's called an error. If the language doesn't have correct and incorrect usage, why teach people to write at all?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    It literally means not literally.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,083
    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    Just wait until Trump is deposed.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    You are (as yet) not a statesperson.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,983
    edited April 12

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    This conversation should be sanctioned.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,083

    ...

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Words absolutely can mean both things, whether you like it or not.

    We use context to ascertain intended meaning all the time.
    So what does 'Peter Kay was so funny I literally pissed myself' mean?
    It means the next person in that seat in the theatre is going to get damp trousers.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    You are (as yet) not a statesperson.
    What do you expect her to say ? It’s hardly controversial. I thought her words were lovely . I’ve not seen anything that seemed out of order .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,623

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    Sick
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448
    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    Because it isn't unflammable.
    Action and inaction;
    Activity and inactivity;
    Attentive and etc.etc etc
    Intense
    Invest
    Incarcerate
    Inebriation

    An "in" prefix is not always the same as an "un".
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,354
    Can JD Vance come and campaign for Reform in May please?

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,083
    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    So there is still hope for the Tories. 37%!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,340

    I see Ireland's Rory McIlroy is having an Arsenal like choke.

    Not any more he isn't.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,840
    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    The tone was a bit patronising though, as if she was congratulating the Hungarian people on passing their GCSEs. She could have expressed the same thing in a more politically neutral way by talking about being excited to see a new generation of leadership.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    Subtle.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    The tone was a bit patronising though, as if she was congratulating the Hungarian people on passing their GCSEs. She could have expressed the same thing in a more politically neutral way by talking about being excited to see a new generation of leadership.
    I’ve only seen the comments that I posted . What else did she say ?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    Sick
    Back in the late 80s my grandfather was very interested in then modern usage of the word "wicked".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Have there been many other world leaders as well named for their country as Peter Magyar? I can think of Charles de Gaulle and Jomo Kenyatta… if only Leon Brittan had been PM.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/2043430961086369977
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    You are (as yet) not a statesperson.
    What do you expect her to say ? It’s hardly controversial. I thought her words were lovely . I’ve not seen anything that seemed out of order .
    Since we are thankfully out of the EU, I have no expectations. If I were advising her, I would suggest tepid congratulations that don't involve taking sides in a member state's electoral politics.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448
    Nigelb said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    Sick
    Teenage slang bollocks doesn't count.

    Same applies to railway cranks saying Dreadful!
  • FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011

    ...

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Words absolutely can mean both things, whether you like it or not.

    We use context to ascertain intended meaning all the time.
    So what does 'Peter Kay was so funny I literally pissed myself' mean?
    Given context, I would assume it was being humorously used to mean figuratively, and did not literally involve someone urinating on themselves.

    Are you going to ban sarcasm and all other times when words are used to convey the opposite of their literal meaning too?
    Why would you assume that? Involuntary peeing when laughing uncontrollably is not an unheard-of phenomenon. The reality is, you don't know what it means without checking for stains.

    Someone can quite happily claim they pissed themselves laughing when they didn't - they don't need to add the word 'literally'. That's called an error. If the language doesn't have correct and incorrect usage, why teach people to write at all?
    https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/literally-centuries-of-non-literal-literally/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,354
    Anne Applebaum
    @anneapplebaum

    Orban concedes defeat. The support of Trump, Vance, Putin, Lavrov, Weidel, Milei, Le Pen, Fico, Babis and many others could not overcome Hungarian anger at a stagnant, corrupt regime

    https://x.com/anneapplebaum/status/2043413077454925931
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,623

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    Because it isn't unflammable.
    Action and inaction;
    Activity and inactivity;
    Attentive and etc.etc etc
    Intense
    Invest
    Incarcerate
    Inebriation

    An "in" prefix is not always the same as an "un".
    PBers discover that English isn't an entirely rationally designed language shock.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222

    ...

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Words absolutely can mean both things, whether you like it or not.

    We use context to ascertain intended meaning all the time.
    So what does 'Peter Kay was so funny I literally pissed myself' mean?
    Given context, I would assume it was being humorously used to mean figuratively, and did not literally involve someone urinating on themselves.

    Are you going to ban sarcasm and all other times when words are used to convey the opposite of their literal meaning too?
    Why would you assume that? Involuntary peeing when laughing uncontrollably is not an unheard-of phenomenon. The reality is, you don't know what it means without checking for stains.

    Someone can quite happily claim they pissed themselves laughing when they didn't - they don't need to add the word 'literally'. That's called an error. If the language doesn't have correct and incorrect usage, why teach people to write at all?
    https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/literally-centuries-of-non-literal-literally/
    Mistake then, mistake now.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,058

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    My grandchildren say "sick" to mean "cool" not vomit.
    If they've "killed" a task, they've performed it really well, not extinguished it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    JD Vance, AKA the Dim Reaper
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,230
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Péter_Magyar

    The section "Leaving Fidesz" in the new guy's wiki entry is wild.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,654

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    I probably should address your question. If someone says, it's fucking freezing, it doesn't mean they are indulging in communion in the chilly open air. It means it's very cold. Fucking and literally are both intensifying adverbs in this context. What follows is even more whatever it is than you might think.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222

    Can JD Vance come and campaign for Reform in May please?

    I think Reform would be rather pleased with 37%.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    edited April 12
    Scott_xP said:

    JD Vance, AKA the Dim Reaper

    Behave, he’s a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dim lawyer.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,260
    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    Because it isn't unflammable.
    Action and inaction;
    Activity and inactivity;
    Attentive and etc.etc etc
    Cantegory error. In- here means in or on, so to put on fire. Not the negative in-

    Presumably influence is the lack of fluence.

    Cleave however does mean both to stick together and to split apart
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448

    Have there been many other world leaders as well named for their country as Peter Magyar? I can think of Charles de Gaulle and Jomo Kenyatta… if only Leon Brittan had been PM.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/2043430961086369977

    Cecil Rhodes?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305

    Have there been many other world leaders as well named for their country as Peter Magyar? I can think of Charles de Gaulle and Jomo Kenyatta… if only Leon Brittan had been PM.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/2043430961086369977

    Some say we have Gordon Brittas
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    Because it isn't unflammable.
    Action and inaction;
    Activity and inactivity;
    Attentive and etc.etc etc
    Cantegory error. In- here means in or on, so to put on fire. Not the negative in-

    Presumably influence is the lack of fluence.

    Cleave however does mean both to stick together and to split apart
    Dust the shelves; dust the cake.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,083
    Scott_xP said:

    JD Vance, AKA the Dim Reaper

    Is it too much to ask for Vance to visit the UK to endorse Reform?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,230
    carnforth said:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Péter_Magyar

    The section "Leaving Fidesz" in the new guy's wiki entry is wild.

    Also:

    "In February 2026, during a campaign stopover in Bicske, Magyar has claimed that Filipino workers at a Samsung battery factory in Göd have been eating ducks and goldfish they have captured from the Budapest Zoo, in a commentary that has been seen as reminiscent of Donald Trump's claims about Haitian migrants."

    He is cute though. So I will forgive him that, and the pro-europeanism.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
    The second sanctioned means authorised.

    The first foes not mean unauthorised.

    Two different meanings, not opposites.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305

    Have there been many other world leaders as well named for their country as Peter Magyar? I can think of Charles de Gaulle and Jomo Kenyatta… if only Leon Brittan had been PM.

    https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/2043430961086369977

    Cecil Rhodes?
    Ataturk
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,083
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    I probably should address your question. If someone says, it's fucking freezing, it doesn't mean they are indulging in communion in the chilly open air. It means it's very cold. Fucking and literally are both intensifying adverbs in this context. What follows is even more whatever it is than you might think.
    Whatever.
  • ...

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Words absolutely can mean both things, whether you like it or not.

    We use context to ascertain intended meaning all the time.
    So what does 'Peter Kay was so funny I literally pissed myself' mean?
    Given context, I would assume it was being humorously used to mean figuratively, and did not literally involve someone urinating on themselves.

    Are you going to ban sarcasm and all other times when words are used to convey the opposite of their literal meaning too?
    Why would you assume that? Involuntary peeing when laughing uncontrollably is not an unheard-of phenomenon. The reality is, you don't know what it means without checking for stains.

    Someone can quite happily claim they pissed themselves laughing when they didn't - they don't need to add the word 'literally'. That's called an error. If the language doesn't have correct and incorrect usage, why teach people to write at all?
    https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/literally-centuries-of-non-literal-literally/
    Mistake then, mistake now.
    Hyperbole is not a mistake.

    Sarcasm is not a mistake.

    Some people are ignorant, but the use of either hyperbole or sarcasm is entirely legitimate.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Enjoined means opposite things.
  • FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?

    How can inflammable mean flammable?
    How can wicked mean good ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011

    ...

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    Words absolutely can mean both things, whether you like it or not.

    We use context to ascertain intended meaning all the time.
    So what does 'Peter Kay was so funny I literally pissed myself' mean?
    Given context, I would assume it was being humorously used to mean figuratively, and did not literally involve someone urinating on themselves.

    Are you going to ban sarcasm and all other times when words are used to convey the opposite of their literal meaning too?
    Why would you assume that? Involuntary peeing when laughing uncontrollably is not an unheard-of phenomenon. The reality is, you don't know what it means without checking for stains.

    Someone can quite happily claim they pissed themselves laughing when they didn't - they don't need to add the word 'literally'. That's called an error. If the language doesn't have correct and incorrect usage, why teach people to write at all?
    https://stancarey.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/literally-centuries-of-non-literal-literally/
    Mistake then, mistake now.
    I presume then you would only ever use 'literally' to refer to letters?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    Scott_xP said:

    JD Vance, AKA the Dim Reaper

    Behave, he’s a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dim lawyer.
    Even all the ones who go into politics because they cannot hack it in the legal profession?
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 916
    Orban's constitutional damage does need to be undone, but giving constitution-changing powers to a party winning 53% of the vote (and potentially a lot less if votes were more split) does seem a really bad idea. So I hope they raise the bar, either through a more proportional election system or by requiring a referendum with a two thirds majority to change the constitution.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    JD Vance, AKA the Dim Reaper

    Behave, he’s a lawyer, there is no such thing as a dim lawyer.
    Even all the ones who go into politics because they cannot hack it in the legal profession?
    Yes, except Richard Burgon.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    edited April 12

    Enjoined means opposite things.

    Deleted.

    This unsanctioned post has been sanctioned.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,840
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    The tone was a bit patronising though, as if she was congratulating the Hungarian people on passing their GCSEs. She could have expressed the same thing in a more politically neutral way by talking about being excited to see a new generation of leadership.
    I’ve only seen the comments that I posted . What else did she say ?
    I mean those ones. Framing it as being all about Europe and the European path imposes her own interpretation on the result and erases the national political questions. Maybe she's right, but it's not for her to judge.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Minor parties becoming big can make for some odd summary pages. Up 138 from 0.


  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448
    Barnesian said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    My grandchildren say "sick" to mean "cool" not vomit.
    If they've "killed" a task, they've performed it really well, not extinguished it.
    Both examples of alternative usage. Not the exact opposite of the proper meaning.

    And just kids thinking they are being clever by coming up with their own vernacular.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @iandunt.bsky.social‬

    To 'Vance'; verb, to fuck up.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,915
    Gaussian said:

    Orban's constitutional damage does need to be undone, but giving constitution-changing powers to a party winning 53% of the vote (and potentially a lot less if votes were more split) does seem a really bad idea. So I hope they raise the bar, either through a more proportional election system or by requiring a referendum with a two thirds majority to change the constitution.

    We left the EU on 52% of the vote..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    edited April 12

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    The tone was a bit patronising though, as if she was congratulating the Hungarian people on passing their GCSEs. She could have expressed the same thing in a more politically neutral way by talking about being excited to see a new generation of leadership.
    I’ve only seen the comments that I posted . What else did she say ?
    I mean those ones. Framing it as being all about Europe and the European path imposes her own interpretation on the result and erases the national political questions. Maybe she's right, but it's not for her to judge.
    Why isn't it for her to judge? She's a politician for a pan-European institution, and will naturally interpret most things according to that question.

    Now, whether it is wise to be so publicly delighted at one side or another is a seperate question, but it doesn't seem improper.
  • FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
    The second sanctioned means authorised.

    The first foes not mean unauthorised.

    Two different meanings, not opposites.
    Earlier this week I bought some donuts while shopping as a treat for the girls. Next day my youngest asked if she could get a snack and I said "yes, there's some donuts in the kitchen if you want". Her sister then said "ooh, can I get a donut too", to which I replied "no, I want you to starve" to which she said "thanks" and went to go get a donut too.

    Why did she thank me and go get a donut, when I had said no, not yes?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,840
    https://x.com/mb_ghalibaf/status/2043425869570416802

    Enjoy the current pump figures. With the so-called 'blockade', Soon you'll be nostalgic for $4–$5 gas.

    ΔO_BSOH>0 ⇒ f(f(O))>f(O)
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,448
    Fuck this. I am literally going to bed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,354
    Scott_xP said:

    @iandunt.bsky.social‬

    To 'Vance'; verb, to fuck up.


    To Rubio. To not be in the room when the fuck up happens. Nor even to be in the same continent.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    “Love won today , because love always wins .”

    Peter Magyar .

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    eek said:

    Gaussian said:

    Orban's constitutional damage does need to be undone, but giving constitution-changing powers to a party winning 53% of the vote (and potentially a lot less if votes were more split) does seem a really bad idea. So I hope they raise the bar, either through a more proportional election system or by requiring a referendum with a two thirds majority to change the constitution.

    We left the EU on 52% of the vote..
    And some have argued you need more than that for such questions. Some places have both winning threshold limits and turnout limits.

    That's fine, so long as the limitations are in place beforehand.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @coachfinstock.bsky.social‬

    Finding out an account on Polymarket owned by someone named Tonald Drump bet heavy on Orban losing and the Iran ceasefire talks failing immediately after the President announced JD Vance would be leading the charge
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    nico67 said:

    “Love won today , because love always wins .”

    Peter Magyar .

    He's not familiar with some of my (failed) relationships.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,766

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    I probably should address your question. If someone says, it's fucking freezing, it doesn't mean they are indulging in communion in the chilly open air. It means it's very cold. Fucking and literally are both intensifying adverbs in this context. What follows is even more whatever it is than you might think.
    Whatever.
    Am I bovvered?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847

    nico67 said:

    “Love won today , because love always wins .”

    Peter Magyar .

    He's not familiar with some of my (failed) relationships.
    Or the game of tennis.
  • Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    I can't remember last time a politician's downfall was so universally celebrated. Maybe Ceausescu?

    I don't remember Ceausescu winning 4 elections like Orban and Orban has conceded this election tonight while Ceaucescu was shot by firing squad after a revolution. Even now Orban's party still got 37% of the vote in defeat
    I know nothing about Orban. But UVDL crowing about a member state's election results isn't a particularly good look.
    So she’s not allowed to congratulate the new Hungarian PM ? She’s clearly overjoyed at the result as are many who are pro -EU .

    I’m ecstatic!
    The tone was a bit patronising though, as if she was congratulating the Hungarian people on passing their GCSEs. She could have expressed the same thing in a more politically neutral way by talking about being excited to see a new generation of leadership.
    I’ve only seen the comments that I posted . What else did she say ?
    I mean those ones. Framing it as being all about Europe and the European path imposes her own interpretation on the result and erases the national political questions. Maybe she's right, but it's not for her to judge.
    The sight of william and Lucky tone policing, after the most blatant electoral interference from Trump and Vance, is priceless.
    Such a couple of snowflakes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,196

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
    The second sanctioned means authorised.

    The first foes not mean unauthorised.

    Two different meanings, not opposites.
    Earlier this week I bought some donuts while shopping as a treat for the girls. Next day my youngest asked if she could get a snack and I said "yes, there's some donuts in the kitchen if you want". Her sister then said "ooh, can I get a donut too", to which I replied "no, I want you to starve" to which she said "thanks" and went to go get a donut too.

    Why did she thank me and go get a donut, when I had said no, not yes?
    Because your daughters do not respect your authority and treat your house as an anarchic commune (good on them!)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429
    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    I probably should address your question. If someone says, it's fucking freezing, it doesn't mean they are indulging in communion in the chilly open air. It means it's very cold. Fucking and literally are both intensifying adverbs in this context. What follows is even more whatever it is than you might think.
    Yes. But I think you identify a bit of linguistic damage going on. In a comment about someone running fast or kicking a ball someone might use a whole range of words like incredible, fantastic, awesome, amazing, unbelievable, 'beyond unique', (or indeed beyond anything). SFAICS there is no longer any distinction or discrimination about these words, and no meaning at all apart from 'very good'. The word 'literally' seems to operate in the same way when people are using that register - the one where a variety of words means 'I am emotionally intensifying my description'.

    But unless there is another another agreed register for indexing language, then it isn't possible to start defining words or granting them meanings for the simple reason that the words you use to define other words are themselves uncertain. Which would be literally (meaning literally) and literally (meaning metaphorically) and literally (meaning I am intensifying what follows) sub-optimal.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,083

    Fuck this. I am literally going to bed.

    We can literally expect you to post again shortly, then.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    Gaussian said:

    nico67 said:

    “Love won today , because love always wins .”

    Peter Magyar .

    Oh gawd. They got themselves a Blair.
    To be fair, he probably does feel the hand of history on his shoulder.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    edited April 12
    Sorry TSE, doesn't look like you are having an early night.

    Extra holes - even without Tiger.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @mijrahman.bsky.social‬

    Magyar is asking Hungary's president, a puppet of Orban, to resign once he gives Magyar the mandate to form a Govt

    Moving quickly
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
    The second sanctioned means authorised.

    The first foes not mean unauthorised.

    Two different meanings, not opposites.
    Earlier this week I bought some donuts while shopping as a treat for the girls. Next day my youngest asked if she could get a snack and I said "yes, there's some donuts in the kitchen if you want". Her sister then said "ooh, can I get a donut too", to which I replied "no, I want you to starve" to which she said "thanks" and went to go get a donut too.

    Why did she thank me and go get a donut, when I had said no, not yes?
    Because your daughters do not respect your authority and treat your house as an anarchic commune (good on them!)
    How can you respect the authority of a person who literally spells it 'donuts'? This spelling is a literal nightmare.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,354
    Edward Luce
    @EdwardGLuce
    ·
    19m
    People will be closely studying how Hungary's opposition pulled off their win in such a pro-incumbent system. Important to note that the theme was corruption. Democrats need to get much better at calling out Trump's corruption.

    https://x.com/EdwardGLuce/status/2043432217590833643
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,766

    I wasn’t sure how my girlfriend would react when I replaced our bed with a trampoline…

    Turns out she hit the roof.

    We were struggling to come up with a term to describe the time interval between one sunrise and the next.

    We decided to call it a day.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    Scott_xP said:

    @coachfinstock.bsky.social‬

    Finding out an account on Polymarket owned by someone named Tonald Drump bet heavy on Orban losing and the Iran ceasefire talks failing immediately after the President announced JD Vance would be leading the charge

    Rubio?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,222
    ...

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
    The second sanctioned means authorised.

    The first foes not mean unauthorised.

    Two different meanings, not opposites.
    Earlier this week I bought some donuts while shopping as a treat for the girls. Next day my youngest asked if she could get a snack and I said "yes, there's some donuts in the kitchen if you want". Her sister then said "ooh, can I get a donut too", to which I replied "no, I want you to starve" to which she said "thanks" and went to go get a donut too.

    Why did she thank me and go get a donut, when I had said no, not yes?
    She didn't. She went to get a doughnut.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834
    An interesting article here on how Orban has been funding the British Right:

    https://democracyforsale.substack.com/p/orbans-brits

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    That's a shot that deserves to win the Masters, Rory.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429
    The golf is metaphorically, analogically, equivocally and literally quite exciting.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,322
    edited April 12
    Magyar continues with his nice words and his win is a huge relief for the gay community.

    From Sky News .

    He says he wants a Hungary where "no one is persecuted because they think differently or because someone loves in a different way to other people, who believe in a different way or in different things to others".
  • ...

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    Quite easily.

    Words are used to mean their inverse quite often in English.
    Such as?
    You can be sanctioned for taking an action that is not sanctioned.
    The second sanctioned means authorised.

    The first foes not mean unauthorised.

    Two different meanings, not opposites.
    Earlier this week I bought some donuts while shopping as a treat for the girls. Next day my youngest asked if she could get a snack and I said "yes, there's some donuts in the kitchen if you want". Her sister then said "ooh, can I get a donut too", to which I replied "no, I want you to starve" to which she said "thanks" and went to go get a donut too.

    Why did she thank me and go get a donut, when I had said no, not yes?
    She didn't. She went to get a doughnut.
    Not according to the label on the packaging.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,834
    Magyar calls on the figurehead head of state Tamás Sulyok, as well as all high justice officials and other high officials appointed by Fidesz to resign immediately or they will be removed by the new government.

    He also announces a constitutional reform and that Hungary is joining EPPO.

    https://bsky.app/profile/minczifra.bsky.social/post/3mjdb5y6rj22r

    EPPO is the European Public Prosecutors Office. Its main remit is combatting corruption.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381

    Fuck this. I am literally going to bed.

    We can literally expect you to post again shortly, then.
    Anybody on the coast litorally going to bed?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,654
    algarkirk said:

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    FPT

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Britain could adopt single market rules without MPs’ vote as part of UK-EU reset

    Exclusive: Ministers planning new legislation for alignment without full parliamentary scrutiny if in national interest


    Ministers are planning to fundamentally reshape Britain’s relationship with the European Union, with new legislation that could result in the UK signing up to EU single market rules without a normal parliamentary vote.

    In a major development in the prime minister’s push for closer ties with the continent in after the Iran war, the Guardian understands ministers are bracing to face down opposition to “dynamic alignment” with the EU from those who “scream treason” over the powers in a new EU-UK reset bill.

    After weeks of Donald Trump’s war with Iran that have exposed the fragility of the UK’s damaged special relationship with the US, ministers argue the move will add billions to the UK economy and to help temper the cost of the conflict and boost sluggish productivity.

    A new bill, which will bring into force the food and drink trade deal with the EU, will contain powers enabling the government to dynamically align with Europe on areas where it has already made agreements. But it will also allow the UK to quickly implement evolving single market rules if it determines it is in the national interest, without having to face full parliamentary scrutiny each time.


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/12/britain-single-market-rules-uk-eu-reset

    Starmer must go ahead.

    Turn GE in to a closer integration with Europe Poll

    Watch Reform and Tories eat each other apart

    Watch Tories literally implode.

    Put real pressure on Green vote, their core vote will want it but will realise only a Labour led Government can deliver it.

    Similar pressure on LDs

    By 2029 seriously possible could be 60 : 40 in favour of closer ntegration.

    Even higher if Trump stops democratic process in US
    "Literally"?
    "Literally" can be a contranym and actually mean "figuratively", but I think he means "actually", figuratively speaking.
    No it can't.
    The English language is an evolving thing that changes as people use it differently. We lost the battle on this one. Literally is now often used simply as an indicator of emphasis, rather than for its prior, literal, meaning.
    That's because more people are getting it wrong.

    You can say that you think the fact that more people are ill-educated should mean that their mistake enters the lexicon, I say otherwise.

    It's really as simple as that.
    You accept that language has changed over time, right? That we no longer use words the same way, spell them the same way, pronounce them the same way?

    So I'm not sure who has declared you the arbiter of the English language, a one man Academie Francais.

    I'm personally sympathetic to specific example you're complaining about here, but you seem to be just denying that language can change because you personally don't like it, and that's not stubborn insistence to the 'correct' way of doing things, it's just ignoring how languages work.

    I assumed this was just a bit, but I guess not.
    The language has not changed. The meaning of the word has not been lost in the sands of time over centuries or decades; we have ample resources where the correct meaning is explained.

    That is quite different from an evolution of the language. I see this as more like the modern mullet - a silly trend that will clearly be seen as rather embarrassing when looking back. Rather than changing the entire meaning of a useful word (is there now no word that means 'literally' according to you?) people who make the mistake should just be corrected - it is just a feature of our current political miasma that we don't feel we can correct people any more because it might upset them.
    Literally still means literally. It just means other things too. You have to use context to work out which. This is one of the things that can make English a difficult, but fun language.

    Perhaps prime will find a different way to qualify literally to emphasise that they mean literally literally? I guess we'll find out, in time.
    Therein lying the issue. If the word retains its original meaning, that stands in opposition to its meaning when used in error. The word cannot mean both things. Disinterested (another error) can mean both unbiased and uninterested for the most part, because the instances when the word is used are usually different. Literally isn't like that. In fact, what even is its meaning when used in error? Really but not.

    The language has not changed, people are just being dickless about correcting others because they don't want to appear behind the times. That's fine, go ahead. I will continue to say it is wrong, because it is.
    The word literally does mean both things.
    How can literally mean "not literally"?



    I probably should address your question. If someone says, it's fucking freezing, it doesn't mean they are indulging in communion in the chilly open air. It means it's very cold. Fucking and literally are both intensifying adverbs in this context. What follows is even more whatever it is than you might think.
    Yes. But I think you identify a bit of linguistic damage going on. In a comment about someone running fast or kicking a ball someone might use a whole range of words like incredible, fantastic, awesome, amazing, unbelievable, 'beyond unique', (or indeed beyond anything). SFAICS there is no longer any distinction or discrimination about these words, and no meaning at all apart from 'very good'. The word 'literally' seems to operate in the same way when people are using that register - the one where a variety of words means 'I am emotionally intensifying my description'.

    But unless there is another another agreed register for indexing language, then it isn't possible to start defining words or granting them meanings for the simple reason that the words you use to define other words are themselves uncertain. Which would be literally (meaning literally) and literally (meaning metaphorically) and literally (meaning I am intensifying what follows) sub-optimal.

    Context is everything. I am generally relaxed about words having multiple usages. With literally you sometimes have to work out whether the claim is possible before deciding the context. If someone says, I was so tired my legs were literally falling off, it's probably the intensifier context.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,381
    Rory leads by two.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    viewcode said:

    For all those of you discussing words that mean themselves *and* their exact opposite, the word you are looking for is "contronym". Examples include


    • Cleave: To cling/stick together OR to split/separate apart.
    • Dust: To remove particles (cleaning) OR to add particles (e.g., dusting a cake).
    • Sanction: To approve/permit OR to penalize/boycott.
    • Clip: To fasten/attach OR to cut/detach.
    • Fast: Moving rapidly OR fixed firmly in place.
    • Oversight: Watchful care/supervision OR a mistake/unnoticed error.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contronym
    There was some great material this week on the socials about the myriad meanings and uses of the word shit, several of which are close to being contronyms. You’re shit vs you’re the shit. Shit hot. Got shit to do (which can mean anything other than actually doing a shit), this is good shit vs this is shit, no shit, bullshit, horseshit, apeshit, chicken shit, get my shit together etc etc. Probably the most complex word in the English language.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @minczifra.bsky.social‬

    Magyar calls on the figurehead head of state Tamás Sulyok, as well as all high justice officials and other high officials appointed by Fidesz to resign immediately or they will be removed by the new government.

    He also announces a constitutional reform and that Hungary is joining EPPO.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,922
    Scott_xP said:

    @shipwreck75.bsky.social‬

    CENTCOM forces will not impede freedom of navigation for vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz to and from non-Iranian ports.

    @duncanrobertson.bsky.social‬

    So it's now *not* a blockade then?!

    I guess someone senior pointed out the potential acts of war and piracy that the US Navy would be committing against countries with no dog in this fight.
  • Maybe Waitrose or M&S might sell "doughnuts", I don't know.

    But Asda and Aldi happily sell donuts.

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