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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,693

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,693
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kemi making gains amongst centrist swing voters who dislike both the Greens and Reform and who voted Conservative in 2019 but switched to Labour in 2024 a new Ashcroft poll finds.

    'We will use the term “Centrists” to describe people who are rejecters of both the Greens and of Reform. Currently, just 7 per cent of the population fall into this category – at a time when all politicians have negative approval ratings, this may seem a surprisingly small group (even in the context of a fragmented electorate and opinion polls often showing all parties below 30 per cent). Yet when the two blocs form the only likely basis for a governing coalition after the next election (whether that is by a party cannibalising the vote in its respective bloc to win a majority, or the formation of a coalition government between parties within a bloc), a group of voters who reject the insurgent party in both the left bloc and the right bloc make the situation more complex.

    What do we know about the Centrist? Among those who are likely to vote at the next election, 42 per cent intend to back the Conservatives, compared with 29 per cent for Labour and 14 per cent Lib Dem. At the 2024 general election, Labour received 40 per cent of the vote among this group, with the Tories on 35 per cent and the Lib Dems 17 per cent. In 2019, the Conservatives took nearly half of their vote (47 per cent); Labour managed just 28 per cent, and the Lib Dems 16 per cent. In other words, the Conservatives have nearly recovered to their 2019 levels of support among centrists, whereas Labour have fallen back to their 2019 performance.'

    https://conservativehome.com/2026/04/10/lord-ashcroft-my-latest-polling-the-crucial-centrists-who-reject-both-reform-and-the-greens/

    Is that really true - only 7% reject both the extreme left AND the extreme right? 93% are willing to consider either Ref, or Green, or both?
    Yes, I was a little surprised by that. Though I suppose a large number of people would consider voting tactically for one or the other without being active supporters - and neither party has a track record in government to alienate voters.

    It is, of course, an Ashcroft poll so subject to caveat.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kemi making gains amongst centrist swing voters who dislike both the Greens and Reform and who voted Conservative in 2019 but switched to Labour in 2024 a new Ashcroft poll finds.

    'We will use the term “Centrists” to describe people who are rejecters of both the Greens and of Reform. Currently, just 7 per cent of the population fall into this category – at a time when all politicians have negative approval ratings, this may seem a surprisingly small group (even in the context of a fragmented electorate and opinion polls often showing all parties below 30 per cent). Yet when the two blocs form the only likely basis for a governing coalition after the next election (whether that is by a party cannibalising the vote in its respective bloc to win a majority, or the formation of a coalition government between parties within a bloc), a group of voters who reject the insurgent party in both the left bloc and the right bloc make the situation more complex.



    What do we know about the Centrist? Among those who are likely to vote at the next election, 42 per cent intend to back the Conservatives, compared with 29 per cent for Labour and 14 per cent Lib Dem. At the 2024 general election, Labour received 40 per cent of the vote among this group, with the Tories on 35 per cent and the Lib Dems 17 per cent. In 2019, the Conservatives took nearly half of their vote (47 per cent); Labour managed just 28 per cent, and the Lib Dems 16 per cent. In other words, the Conservatives have nearly recovered to their 2019 levels of support among centrists, whereas Labour have fallen back to their 2019 performance.'

    https://conservativehome.com/2026/04/10/lord-ashcroft-my-latest-polling-the-crucial-centrists-who-reject-both-reform-and-the-greens/

    Is that really true - only 7% reject both the extreme left AND the extreme right? 93% are willing to consider either Ref, or Green, or both?
    Why does Ashcroft miss the blindingly obvious questions?

    1) Why is Kemi seeing 24% vote in 2024 decline to an average of 18% now when all political logic at this stage suggests she should be polling north of 24%?

    2) If Kemi is attracting a miniscule number of Centrist voters with her "out Reform Reform right wing shouting and hectoring" wtf could a Centrist and far more personable and popular experienced Politician like Cleverley or Hunt be achieving?

    Of course the answers are simple

    1) shes doing an awful job

    2) the obvious replacements would be doing FAR better , especially at tapping in to a flaky LD vote in 50-80 Southerly marginals.

    The issue is simple....cease to exist as anything but a fringe of Reform as a right wing side show, or actually try to become a credible Opposition with a significantly higher number of seats as a credible Centrist Opposition

    More than 500 seat losses and no higher than 4th in Scotland / Wales she's toast!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,355
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
    Israel definitely seems worse off to me.
    They've burned through alliances that they managed and curated for generations, in exchange for swapping the Iranian Supreme leader for his son.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,435
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Kemi making gains amongst centrist swing voters who dislike both the Greens and Reform and who voted Conservative in 2019 but switched to Labour in 2024 a new Ashcroft poll finds.

    'We will use the term “Centrists” to describe people who are rejecters of both the Greens and of Reform. Currently, just 7 per cent of the population fall into this category – at a time when all politicians have negative approval ratings, this may seem a surprisingly small group (even in the context of a fragmented electorate and opinion polls often showing all parties below 30 per cent). Yet when the two blocs form the only likely basis for a governing coalition after the next election (whether that is by a party cannibalising the vote in its respective bloc to win a majority, or the formation of a coalition government between parties within a bloc), a group of voters who reject the insurgent party in both the left bloc and the right bloc make the situation more complex.



    What do we know about the Centrist? Among those who are likely to vote at the next election, 42 per cent intend to back the Conservatives, compared with 29 per cent for Labour and 14 per cent Lib Dem. At the 2024 general election, Labour received 40 per cent of the vote among this group, with the Tories on 35 per cent and the Lib Dems 17 per cent. In 2019, the Conservatives took nearly half of their vote (47 per cent); Labour managed just 28 per cent, and the Lib Dems 16 per cent. In other words, the Conservatives have nearly recovered to their 2019 levels of support among centrists, whereas Labour have fallen back to their 2019 performance.'

    https://conservativehome.com/2026/04/10/lord-ashcroft-my-latest-polling-the-crucial-centrists-who-reject-both-reform-and-the-greens/

    Is that really true - only 7% reject both the extreme left AND the extreme right? 93% are willing to consider either Ref, or Green, or both?
    The emergence of mainstream forces to the left of Labour and to the right of the Tories make both those latter parties more acceptable to moderate voters repelled by the extremes; although both Tory and Labour Party retain individual politicians with views that many would still see as extreme, their leverage within their own parties is now hugely diminished, with pressure on the two larger parties coming through the political system as voters dally with the more radical options now on offer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
    And he hasn't even smothered the Epstein files.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Or it’s a new Michael Wolf book

    As I said, the attack on Iran buried some news so deeply that when it reappears you won’t be able to say old news because there is about 1 mention of it worldwide at the time the incriminating Epstein files were released
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,930
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Cicero: "... and the most disastrous President ever".

    'So far', not 'ever'. His successor(s) may be worse.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,474

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Cicero: "... and the most disastrous President ever".

    'So far', not 'ever'. His successor(s) may be worse.

    Well if Trump has set the US on the course of decline, you may very well be right, but the turning point will still be recorded as Trump.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Cicero: "... and the most disastrous President ever".

    'So far', not 'ever'. His successor(s) may be worse.

    I remember in 2016 a montage was put out during the primaries saying whoever won, the vote would be historic.

    Clinton - first female President
    Rubio - first Hispanic President
    Kasich - first Slavic president
    Sanders - first Jewish president
    Trump - last president.

    It's not looking crazily far fetched right now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    eek said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Or it’s a new Michael Wolf book

    As I said, the attack on Iran buried some news so deeply that when it reappears you won’t be able to say old news because there is about 1 mention of it worldwide at the time the incriminating Epstein files were released
    I can only assume Trump (or more likely, Stephen Miller) thought he would have a fairly short victorious war against Iran and then take control of their oil supplies to massively increase output before the midterms, which would kill the Epstein issue.

    I mean, that does in itself show how insane he is given the exact opposite was always likely to happen. But it would at least on some level make sense.

    What he was always going to have of course was either a long disastrous war which would kill his popularity, or, even more disastrously for him politically, a short failed war followed by the Epstein files anyway.

    Which is what he's now got.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,030
    Are Bomber Barty and Lets-Nuke-Em Leon covering this in shifts?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,828
    Cicero said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Cicero: "... and the most disastrous President ever".

    'So far', not 'ever'. His successor(s) may be worse.

    Well if Trump has set the US on the course of decline, you may very well be right, but the turning point will still be recorded as Trump.
    Surely not, Trump scrapes the bottom of the barrel. Would Vance be worse? Unlikely. Rubio? No. Carlson, probably not, Miller? Possibly. Hegseth? Quite possibly. Don or Eric? Hmm!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,930

    Cicero said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Cicero: "... and the most disastrous President ever".

    'So far', not 'ever'. His successor(s) may be worse.

    Well if Trump has set the US on the course of decline, you may very well be right, but the turning point will still be recorded as Trump.
    Surely not, Trump scrapes the bottom of the barrel. Would Vance be worse? Unlikely. Rubio? No. Carlson, probably not, Miller? Possibly. Hegseth? Quite possibly. Don or Eric? Hmm!
    'Worse' is both a matter of competence and morality.

    Tamerlane was very competent but wasn't exactly a poster boy of benevolence and human kindness.

    Trump's successor will almost certainly be more competent. But someone like Vance seems far more anti-European for some reason.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143
    Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.





  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,268
    That SOPN sheet shows some interesting tussles. On the IoW (Parkhurst) there is a straight fight between Reform and the LibDems. Whitechapel in London has the most candidates (22) for 3 seats. And Leeds is a democratic hotspot with 9 candidates from 9 parties contesting seats in two wards.

    And in East Sussex, you have an ex-MP (SallyAnn Hart) hoping to make a comeback by getting a seat at County level.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195
    eek said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Or it’s a new Michael Wolf book

    As I said, the attack on Iran buried some news so deeply that when it reappears you won’t be able to say old news because there is about 1 mention of it worldwide at the time the incriminating Epstein files were released
    One of the more bizarre conspiracy theories I read online claimed it was Israel who leaked it all, as Epstein was their agent, as a warning to Trump. 🤔
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    There’s been a major uptick in the number of boats crossing, 50 yesterday and 13 so far today.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    There’s been a major uptick in the number of boats crossing, 50 yesterday and 13 so far today.

    50 is what, a third of normal traffic?

    Although there may be others sailing without their transponders on, of course.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,142
    Foxy said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ICc-ix67gw
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,986

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    Total number of candidates, by party, local council elections:

    LAB: 4,882 (96.7%)
    RFM: 4,801 (95.1%)
    CON: 4,752 (94.2%)
    GRN: 4,446 (88.1%)
    LD: 3,929 (77.8%)
    TUSC: 284 (5.6%)
    WPB: 72 (1.4%)
    SDP: 48 (1.0%)

    Inds: 861
    Localists: 572

    Reform has however managed to put someone up in almost every ward- the highest contested wards at 99.9% - a remarkable achievement for a party with no real local government track record. I expect there are some real duds in that crowd….

    Restore meanwhile have managed just 9 candidates, all in Great Yarmouth and less than half even than the 21 candidates Your Party are standing
    https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1shuz6k/list_of_parties_running_in_the_local_elections/
    Yet Restore with just 9 council candidates in May 2026 are also for example 9/1 with Bet365 to win the most seats at the next general election.

    Is there any scenario that could remotely justify those odds? If not then there's a strong argument that someone somewhere is trying to manipulate the political betting markets for nefarious purposes.
    Rupert Lowe is big on X (helped by Musk). There are people who confuse what’s happening on X with real life, so they think Lowe is a big thing in real life, and bet accordingly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    There’s been a major uptick in the number of boats crossing, 50 yesterday and 13 so far today.

    50 is what, a third of normal traffic?

    Although there may be others sailing without their transponders on, of course.
    Yeah, about a third of normal traffic but about 4 times the preceding day.

    It is now 17 today.

    A couple of weeks ago it was 2 or 3 a day.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,986
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    There’s been a major uptick in the number of boats crossing, 50 yesterday and 13 so far today.

    I got very confused reading this. Normally, the discourse is very against boats crossing a channel and I had to recalibrate and remember we want these boats to cross this channel.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,195
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Or it’s a new Michael Wolf book

    As I said, the attack on Iran buried some news so deeply that when it reappears you won’t be able to say old news because there is about 1 mention of it worldwide at the time the incriminating Epstein files were released
    I can only assume Trump (or more likely, Stephen Miller) thought he would have a fairly short victorious war against Iran and then take control of their oil supplies to massively increase output before the midterms, which would kill the Epstein issue.

    I mean, that does in itself show how insane he is given the exact opposite was always likely to happen. But it would at least on some level make sense.

    What he was always going to have of course was either a long disastrous war which would kill his popularity, or, even more disastrously for him politically, a short failed war followed by the Epstein files anyway.

    Which is what he's now got.
    The NYT reported a meeting with Bibi and his team who sold Trump the war.

    Basically their intelligence was Iran would fold and Hormuz would be fine.

    Hesgeth was keen, Vance wasn’t and Rubio sat on the fence.

    The rest is history.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,661


    Niall Ferguson
    @nfergus

    "For the US, ceding control of the Strait of Hormuz to Iran in 2026 would not be quite as swift a humiliation as the Anglo-French failure to wrest control of the Suez Canal from Egypt in 1956. But the consequences for the credibility of the Pax Americana would be similar to Suez’s consequences for the Pax Britannica."

    https://x.com/nfergus/status/2042690647422046700

    The world operates on free flow of goods on water not simply for trade, but as the fundamental basis of international diplomacy. It isn't a natural state but one that has been rigourously enforced for more than a hundred years first by the British and then American navies. It's looking a bit wobbly now.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542
    Foxy said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.
    Indeed. Zampolli has been inside the Trump "friends and acquaintances who get appointments" circle eg Kennedy Center 2020. He also repped for Dominica at the UN.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5682562c5079172c
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542
    edited April 11
    Hmmm. There's a need for some sort of sort out of our driving laws, and especially our drink-driving laws.

    Katie Price just has her 7th ban since 2010. She's catching up on Tommy Robinson and prison sentences.

    It's another mere 6 month ban.

    It needs to be far more fully orbed. 10 or 20 year ban after 2 or 3 repeat offences to help them recover from their addiction to drinking and driving, then slow, highly limited vehicles, for which we now have the technology, and prevention of related activities such as owning a vehicle.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gjp7xwjyzo
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,325
    Only one day till the Hungarian elections .

    Latest non - government polls still show a healthy lead for Tisza but it’s hard to imagine that polling day won’t see an attempt to disrupt those.

    And even if Tisza win there are all manner of things Orban could do until the next Parliament is seated .


  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Apart from that, going quite well...


    We also replaced one Khamenei with another; empowered the IRGC; did nothing for the protesters; killed over a thousand civilians, including hundreds of children; lost at least 13 US service members, alongside over 500 wounded; left Iran with enough highly enriched uranium to make 10-12 nuclear weapons; gave it greater incentive to try to build them; irreparably tarnished America’s reputation; did lasting damage to the US and world economies; depleted our arsenal of scarce missile-defence interceptors; diverted valuable military assets from other regions; empowered Russia with an oil price windfall; triggered further conflict in Lebanon; further eroded domestic and international law; and may have left Iran in control of the most valuable waterway in the world, in a position to earn tens of billions of dollars in revenue per year through t
    olls, while holding the world economy hostage.


    https://www.ft.com/content/0cbce778-a16a-40f9-bfb0-660b91f45325

    missed a little:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_2026_Iran_war
    24 US Reaper drones at $56.5m each is quite a hit, although cheaper than having between 24 and 48 air crew needing rescue from within Iran I guess. Given how expensive the one so far proved.
    Yes, it does look as if Iran has some anti-air capability still.
    Iranians making a fool of Trump.

    Low bar, admittedly.
    Is it not more accurate to say "Trump making a fool of Trump"?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,923
    Excellent news on the chagos islands ! The sun still does not set on the British empire (it would have done with this giveaway) .

    Long live the overseas British territories
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
    And Israel, which had very little in the sympathy tank, has now drained that too.

    Nobody comes out of this war looking better. With the possible exception of NATO and a good number of its members, who have looked at a map of the Gulf and of the North Atlantic and said "Huh?". For which they may lose their largest and most powerful member. At least until 2029.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,804
    edited April 11
    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
    Israel definitely seems worse off to me.
    They've burned through alliances that they managed and curated for generations, in exchange for swapping the Iranian Supreme leader for his son.
    While I don't dispute that this war has been a global disaster, in the longer term one thing we are now likely to see is Qatar, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait et al. move away from a neutral position to assist attempts to undermine the Iranian regime - and this could involve at least covert cooperation with Israel. They won't forget the attacks on their territory, and will want to do what they can to install a more plaint regime in Tehran.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,919
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.
    Indeed. Zampolli has been inside the Trump "friends and acquaintances who get appointments" circle eg Kennedy Center 2020. He also repped for Dominica at the UN.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5682562c5079172c
    Very karmic that one of the horrible arseholes of the regime of horrible arseholes that set up ICE is going to do further damage to the listing MAGA supertanker because he used ICE to sort out his private life.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Apart from that, going quite well...


    We also replaced one Khamenei with another; empowered the IRGC; did nothing for the protesters; killed over a thousand civilians, including hundreds of children; lost at least 13 US service members, alongside over 500 wounded; left Iran with enough highly enriched uranium to make 10-12 nuclear weapons; gave it greater incentive to try to build them; irreparably tarnished America’s reputation; did lasting damage to the US and world economies; depleted our arsenal of scarce missile-defence interceptors; diverted valuable military assets from other regions; empowered Russia with an oil price windfall; triggered further conflict in Lebanon; further eroded domestic and international law; and may have left Iran in control of the most valuable waterway in the world, in a position to earn tens of billions of dollars in revenue per year through t
    olls, while holding the world economy hostage.


    https://www.ft.com/content/0cbce778-a16a-40f9-bfb0-660b91f45325

    missed a little:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_2026_Iran_war
    24 US Reaper drones at $56.5m each is quite a hit, although cheaper than having between 24 and 48 air crew needing rescue from within Iran I guess. Given how expensive the one so far proved.
    Yes, it does look as if Iran has some anti-air capability still.
    Iranians making a fool of Trump.

    Low bar, admittedly.
    Is it not more accurate to say "Trump making a fool of Trump"?
    More accurate to say "Trump is a fool."

    A misogynistic, racist, lying, thieving, war-mongering fool, atop a court of misogynistic, racist, lying, thieving, war-mongering fools.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.
    Indeed. Zampolli has been inside the Trump "friends and acquaintances who get appointments" circle eg Kennedy Center 2020. He also repped for Dominica at the UN.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5682562c5079172c
    Ungaro has a certain "Bonfire of the Vanities" quality to her. A guest at Melania's table for the 2017 innaugaration, loads of photos of her and the Trumps together, then this experience of ICE detention when she crossed Zampolli.

    https://substack.com/@bekahdayyy/note/p-185682237?utm_source=notes-share-action
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,919
    nico67 said:

    Only one day till the Hungarian elections .

    Latest non - government polls still show a healthy lead for Tisza but it’s hard to imagine that polling day won’t see an attempt to disrupt those.

    And even if Tisza win there are all manner of things Orban could do until the next Parliament is seated .


    I think the disruption is already set up. I assume there will be big trouble in little Buda if the fix is really obvious and in Orban’s favour.

    https://x.com/danielhegedus82/status/2042668720170860889?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Or it’s a new Michael Wolf book

    As I said, the attack on Iran buried some news so deeply that when it reappears you won’t be able to say old news because there is about 1 mention of it worldwide at the time the incriminating Epstein files were released
    I can only assume Trump (or more likely, Stephen Miller) thought he would have a fairly short victorious war against Iran and then take control of their oil supplies to massively increase output before the midterms, which would kill the Epstein issue.

    I mean, that does in itself show how insane he is given the exact opposite was always likely to happen. But it would at least on some level make sense.

    What he was always going to have of course was either a long disastrous war which would kill his popularity, or, even more disastrously for him politically, a short failed war followed by the Epstein files anyway.

    Which is what he's now got.
    The NYT reported a meeting with Bibi and his team who sold Trump the war.

    Basically their intelligence was Iran would fold and Hormuz would be fine.

    Hesgeth was keen, Vance wasn’t and Rubio sat on the fence.

    The rest is history.
    If asked, intriguing to wonder if the Republican Senators would have sanctioned the, er, Trumpian "excursion". But best not to ask, eh? Just in case they discovered a proto-spine.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,542

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Apart from that, going quite well...


    We also replaced one Khamenei with another; empowered the IRGC; did nothing for the protesters; killed over a thousand civilians, including hundreds of children; lost at least 13 US service members, alongside over 500 wounded; left Iran with enough highly enriched uranium to make 10-12 nuclear weapons; gave it greater incentive to try to build them; irreparably tarnished America’s reputation; did lasting damage to the US and world economies; depleted our arsenal of scarce missile-defence interceptors; diverted valuable military assets from other regions; empowered Russia with an oil price windfall; triggered further conflict in Lebanon; further eroded domestic and international law; and may have left Iran in control of the most valuable waterway in the world, in a position to earn tens of billions of dollars in revenue per year through t
    olls, while holding the world economy hostage.


    https://www.ft.com/content/0cbce778-a16a-40f9-bfb0-660b91f45325

    missed a little:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_2026_Iran_war
    24 US Reaper drones at $56.5m each is quite a hit, although cheaper than having between 24 and 48 air crew needing rescue from within Iran I guess. Given how expensive the one so far proved.
    Yes, it does look as if Iran has some anti-air capability still.
    Iranians making a fool of Trump.

    Low bar, admittedly.
    Is it not more accurate to say "Trump making a fool of Trump"?
    More accurate to say "Trump is a fool."

    A misogynistic, racist, lying, thieving, war-mongering fool, atop a court of misogynistic, racist, lying, thieving, war-mongering fools.
    Tell it how it is, why don't you ! :smile:
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,268

    Excellent news on the chagos islands ! The sun still does not set on the British empire (it would have done with this giveaway) .

    Long live the overseas British territories

    Kemi will be disappointed. They started the negotiations to get rid of it, only for Labour to completely mess it up - and we'll still have it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    edited April 11

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.
    Indeed. Zampolli has been inside the Trump "friends and acquaintances who get appointments" circle eg Kennedy Center 2020. He also repped for Dominica at the UN.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5682562c5079172c
    Very karmic that one of the horrible arseholes of the regime of horrible arseholes that set up ICE is going to do further damage to the listing MAGA supertanker because he used ICE to sort out his private life.
    We did suggest to the MAGA supertanker that the Straits of Hormuz might not be safe if the Iranians got riled...

    Perhaps the only silver lining to this giant clusterfuck is more MAGA morons losing their seat in the democratic process they so obviously despise. The world are going to pay a heavy price for that. But it might be worth it, if it hastens the end of Trump's effective power to November 2026.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,870

    nico67 said:

    Only one day till the Hungarian elections .

    Latest non - government polls still show a healthy lead for Tisza but it’s hard to imagine that polling day won’t see an attempt to disrupt those.

    And even if Tisza win there are all manner of things Orban could do until the next Parliament is seated .


    I think the disruption is already set up. I assume there will be big trouble in little Buda if the fix is really obvious and in Orban’s favour.

    https://x.com/danielhegedus82/status/2042668720170860889?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Massive concert/rally in Budapest last night chanting "Russians - go home"

    https://bsky.app/profile/adamjschwarz.bsky.social/post/3mj6e6qnfss2x

    But I think Orbans support (like most right wing populists) is mostly in the smaller towns and rural areas rather than the big city. Orban also gets a lot of votes from the Hungarian diasoora in Romania, Slovakia and Serbia, and these are not easy to poll.

    It would certainly be good to see the fall of Putin and Trumps friend, but not yet done.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,502
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    FF43 said:

    Apart from that, going quite well...


    We also replaced one Khamenei with another; empowered the IRGC; did nothing for the protesters; killed over a thousand civilians, including hundreds of children; lost at least 13 US service members, alongside over 500 wounded; left Iran with enough highly enriched uranium to make 10-12 nuclear weapons; gave it greater incentive to try to build them; irreparably tarnished America’s reputation; did lasting damage to the US and world economies; depleted our arsenal of scarce missile-defence interceptors; diverted valuable military assets from other regions; empowered Russia with an oil price windfall; triggered further conflict in Lebanon; further eroded domestic and international law; and may have left Iran in control of the most valuable waterway in the world, in a position to earn tens of billions of dollars in revenue per year through t
    olls, while holding the world economy hostage.


    https://www.ft.com/content/0cbce778-a16a-40f9-bfb0-660b91f45325

    missed a little:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_2026_Iran_war
    24 US Reaper drones at $56.5m each is quite a hit, although cheaper than having between 24 and 48 air crew needing rescue from within Iran I guess. Given how expensive the one so far proved.
    Yes, it does look as if Iran has some anti-air capability still.
    Iranians making a fool of Trump.

    Low bar, admittedly.
    Is it not more accurate to say "Trump making a fool of Trump"?
    More accurate to say "Trump is a fool."

    A misogynistic, racist, lying, thieving, war-mongering fool, atop a court of misogynistic, racist, lying, thieving, war-mongering fools.
    Tell it how it is, why don't you ! :smile:
    Because OGH doesn't allow the C word
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,661

    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
    Israel definitely seems worse off to me.
    They've burned through alliances that they managed and curated for generations, in exchange for swapping the Iranian Supreme leader for his son.
    While I don't dispute that this war has been a global disaster, in the longer term one thing we are now likely to see is Qatar, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait et al. move away from a neutral position to assist attempts to undermine the Iranian regime - and this could involve at least covert cooperation with Israel. They won't forget the attacks on their territory, and will want to do what they can to install a more plaint regime in Tehran.
    Oderint dum metuant. They certainly hate Iran but do they fear it? In which case they will deal with Iran.

    I suspect the GCC will split. Iraq and Oman are reasonably friendly. Bahrain is a Sunni I think dictatorship trying to keep a lid on its Shi'ite population sympathetic to Iran. It's also small and vulnerable. It may not have a choice. Kuwait I don't know what drives its regime. Then in increasing order of unlikelihood: Qatar shares the world's biggest gas field with Iran and has other geographical reasons to work together. UAE very hostile but also has a lot to lose in a long drawn out dispute with Iran. Saudi I don't see ever dealing with Iran. Admit I don't know a whole lot about this.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,420
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    There’s been a major uptick in the number of boats crossing, 50 yesterday and 13 so far today.

    50 is what, a third of normal traffic?

    Although there may be others sailing without their transponders on, of course.
    As I noted with some presciencemaybe a week ago, the way to solvethis crisis was for Iran to charge tariff to transit the Straits of Hormuz - and cut Trump personally into 20% of what is raised.

    "I get on great with the Mullahs. I understand them and they understnd me. They are good, God-fearing folk.

    AndI am a God."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,599

    NEW THREAD

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,693
    rkrkrk said:

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    Talks are rather more likely to succeed during a ceasefire. That's hardly controversial.

    Starting the war was stupid: no real planning, no consultation with potential allies; no explicit war aims (other than Netenyahu's) ... and no public support for it either in the US or elsewhere.

    The entire world, with the possible exception of Israel, is worse off because of this adventure.
    Israel definitely seems worse off to me.
    They've burned through alliances that they managed and curated for generations, in exchange for swapping the Iranian Supreme leader for his son.
    Yes, I'd agree this very likely does them huge long term damage.
    In the short term, Netenyahu got pretty well what he wanted from the war.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    https://x.com/carlquintanilla/status/2042745324444307757

    (NYT) - Iran has been unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it cannot locate all of the mines it laid in the waterway and lacks the capability to remove them, according to U.S. officials.

    And yet they're able to allow those who pay tolls to get through, while simultaneously threatening to blow up any that don't have "approval"? 🤔
    It’s looks like they’ve spammed the whole strait with mines except for the bit that passes close to Iran. Hence the ability to impose a toll.

    Honestly…it’s genius. Comprehensive victory.
    What reason is there for there to be a ceasefire, if the Strait remains closed?

    Stupid President TACO.
    There’s been a major uptick in the number of boats crossing, 50 yesterday and 13 so far today.

    I got very confused reading this. Normally, the discourse is very against boats crossing a channel and I had to recalibrate and remember we want these boats to cross this channel.
    I had a double take too. Number of boats crossing sounds like something domestic.

    On which note our own straits remain at middling numbers. 370 arrivals in the past 7 days, which is not disastrous for a calm sunny period but not really smashing the gangs.

    1 Jan to 9 April for last 4 years:

    2022: 4548
    2023: 4899
    2024: 5517
    2025: 7228
    2026: 5136
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,693
    An absolutely inexplicable puzzle as to why this President would spend US money trying to buy an election for the most corrupt and pro-Russian leader in Europe.

    Trump: “My Administration stands ready to use the full Economic Might of the United States to strengthen Hungary’s Economy, as we have done for our Great Allies in the past, if Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and the Hungarian People ever need it. We are excited to invest in the future Prosperity that will be generated by Orbán’s continued Leadership! President DONALD J. TRUMP”
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2042704252032946282

    I just can't come up with an explanation.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,669
    Foxy said:

    The reason Melania did her "never knew Epstein" piece to camera seems to relate to a woman held by ICE for 5 months and then deported to Brazil.

    Who is mad as hell and is telling social media she will spill all he knows. Which is lots.

    This is what Melania is supposedly front-running.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN79Wj552qY

    Yes, not just a random Brazillian model that got deported by ICE. Amanda Ungaro was the girlfriend for 20 years of Paolo Zampolli, the model agent who brought both her and Melania Knaus to the USA. Zampolli was close to Epstein, and remains close to Trump, accompanying Vance on this weeks trip to Hungary for example.

    Ungaro and Zampolli recently split up and were in a custody battle over their son before she was arrested and Zampolli contacted ICE, who deported her. Ungaro is now spitting feathers on Social Media and threatening to tell all.





    she better stay away from windows in tall buildings
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,220
    Battlebus said:

    Excellent news on the chagos islands ! The sun still does not set on the British empire (it would have done with this giveaway) .

    Long live the overseas British territories

    Kemi will be disappointed. They started the negotiations to get rid of it, only for Labour to completely mess it up - and we'll still have it.
    Indeed the Tories , of which Kemi was a Cabinet Mamber, had 8 - 10 series of meetings to sell it off...(who ever you believe the Tories admit 8 some admit 10) Labour 2 meetings.

    99.9% of the UK Public could not stick a pin in a map within 500 miles of it.

    Another Tory and Reform Dead Donkey euthanised...

    The MP for Tel Aviv and future Lord Chagos will be incandescent with rage!
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,268
    Wonder if there are any other Tory disasters for the crack Labour negotiation team into sort out?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,618

    Are Bomber Barty and Lets-Nuke-Em Leon covering this in shifts?

    They can both hold their own, but can we not cyber bully those with minority views, please?

    I don't want this site to become an echo chamber.

    Neither do you.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,139
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    Excellent news on the chagos islands ! The sun still does not set on the British empire (it would have done with this giveaway) .

    Long live the overseas British territories

    Kemi will be disappointed. They started the negotiations to get rid of it, only for Labour to completely mess it up - and we'll still have it.
    Indeed the Tories , of which Kemi was a Cabinet Mamber, had 8 - 10 series of meetings to sell it off...(who ever you believe the Tories admit 8 some admit 10) Labour 2 meetings.

    99.9% of the UK Public could not stick a pin in a map within 500 miles of it.

    Another Tory and Reform Dead Donkey euthanised...

    The MP for Tel Aviv and future Lord Chagos will be incandescent with rage!
    Cameron binned the negotiations before leaving office. It was Labour who revived it.
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