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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,865
    nico67 said:

    Iran might have lost a lot of their military assets but have now realized they don’t need much to cause global turmoil.

    Anytime they feel like it they can just shut the Strait of Hormuz .

    Although we’ve seen in the past threats to shut that but it’s really when they played their last card or last roll of the roulette wheel that they struck gold .

    As it turned out shutting the Strait was a lot easier than they could have imagined .

    Maybe this knowledge means that they can legitimately abandon their nuclear weapons ambitions safe in the knowledge that they have credible deterrence anyway, and we can all live happily ever after.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,563
    nico67 said:

    Iran might have lost a lot of their military assets but have now realized they don’t need much to cause global turmoil.

    Anytime they feel like it they can just shut the Strait of Hormuz .

    Although we’ve seen in the past threats to shut that but it’s really when they played their last card or last roll of the roulette wheel that they struck gold .

    As it turned out shutting the Strait was a lot easier than they could have imagined .

    It's a bloody nuisance, I grant you that.

    In the long term, it will do two things: accelerate the worlds de-dependence on hydrocarbons, and accelerate other routes from the gulf to the rest of the world.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,780

    https://x.com/faytuksnetwork/status/2041974468252180650

    Pakistan conveyed its "strongest ever anger" to Iran after they struck a Saudi petrochemical facility - Reuters

    "Or else we will be very angry with you... and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are!"
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,378
    OSINTtechnical
    @Osinttechnical
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    Iran’s IRGC claims all ship traffic through the Strait of Hormuz is halted following Israel’s attack on Lebanon -CNN
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,871

    For clarity, the agreed ceasefire statement last night from Sharif, Pakistan's PM, started with:

    With the greatest humility, I am pleased to announce that the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America, along with their allies, have agreed to an immediate ceasefire everywhere including Lebanon and elsewhere, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

    'Including Lebanon' seems pretty unambiguous to me.

    Who was it who said (here?) that the trouble with Trump was that he didn't have the concept of object permanence?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,785

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,780

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 931
    My CV is almost an exact match to the Iran target list. I am feeling a little bit paranoid....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,653
    Cookie said:

    I am absolutely fascinated to see how the next few years pan out.
    Let's start by assuming we muddle through without armageddon or economic armageddon.
    I reckon even if Trump wants a third term, he's not medically up to it - indeed I have grave doubts he gets through this term.
    I don't think Vance or any Trumpspawn have the electoral appeal to continue the project. Bluntly, I think without Trump, MAGA fizzles out. I don't think - touch wood - it is competent or powerful enough to overturn democracy, except at the margins.
    I don't think GOP comes back lightly from this. Dems win easily in 2028, no matter how crazy they are.
    What happens then?

    My view is - tragic as this might seem - the rest of the west just pretends none of this ever happened. We go back to 2012.

    I don't buy the 'never trust America again' argument. We in Europe are few enough of friends as it is, and don't even trust each other much. There's China and India, but while I buy the argument that the leaders of those countries are at least tethered to reality, there's no obvious reason why future American madman is any worse than future Chinese or Indian madman.
    I still, of course, hanker after @Gardenwalker's vision of an Anglo-Canadian future - potentially bolstered by serious alliances with Australia and the Scandinavians and an understanding with the French - but is that enough to stand against a rest-of-the-world that now includes America? I don't think it does. So we persist with American 'friendship' for want of anything else.
    Fascinated to hear the alternatives.

    We hedge out bets.
    Europe is a little ahead of us in that. Most yf their new defence funding will be spent in Europe, not the US. That marks rather a large change.

    The US will remain our friend - particularly once Trump is gone - but a more distant friend than before.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,785

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027

    nico67 said:

    Iran might have lost a lot of their military assets but have now realized they don’t need much to cause global turmoil.

    Anytime they feel like it they can just shut the Strait of Hormuz .

    Although we’ve seen in the past threats to shut that but it’s really when they played their last card or last roll of the roulette wheel that they struck gold .

    As it turned out shutting the Strait was a lot easier than they could have imagined .

    Maybe this knowledge means that they can legitimately abandon their nuclear weapons ambitions safe in the knowledge that they have credible deterrence anyway, and we can all live happily ever after.
    Hmm, in the short term maybe. But longer-term the global economy will re-route around the Strait, one way or another.

    Iran has won a strategic victory but risks overplaying its hand.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,378
    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    I am absolutely fascinated to see how the next few years pan out.
    Let's start by assuming we muddle through without armageddon or economic armageddon.
    I reckon even if Trump wants a third term, he's not medically up to it - indeed I have grave doubts he gets through this term.
    I don't think Vance or any Trumpspawn have the electoral appeal to continue the project. Bluntly, I think without Trump, MAGA fizzles out. I don't think - touch wood - it is competent or powerful enough to overturn democracy, except at the margins.
    I don't think GOP comes back lightly from this. Dems win easily in 2028, no matter how crazy they are.
    What happens then?

    My view is - tragic as this might seem - the rest of the west just pretends none of this ever happened. We go back to 2012.

    I don't buy the 'never trust America again' argument. We in Europe are few enough of friends as it is, and don't even trust each other much. There's China and India, but while I buy the argument that the leaders of those countries are at least tethered to reality, there's no obvious reason why future American madman is any worse than future Chinese or Indian madman.
    I still, of course, hanker after @Gardenwalker's vision of an Anglo-Canadian future - potentially bolstered by serious alliances with Australia and the Scandinavians and an understanding with the French - but is that enough to stand against a rest-of-the-world that now includes America? I don't think it does. So we persist with American 'friendship' for want of anything else.
    Fascinated to hear the alternatives.

    We hedge out bets.
    Europe is a little ahead of us in that. Most yf their new defence funding will be spent in Europe, not the US. That marks rather a large change.

    The US will remain our friend - particularly once Trump is gone - but a more distant friend than before.
    "I don't buy the 'never trust America again' argument. "

    Probably correct. But shouldn't be. The middle powers as they seem to be now called should work together - UK, Canada, Aussie, N Zealand, Norway, Denmark etc.

    USA has revealed that its shining city on a hill is in permanent jeopardy from a few tens of thousands of low or no information voters in a few dozen counties of rural america who think some clown off the TV is the best bet as POTUS and we must never forget now unless they change their system.


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,780

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    That's because you're a disgusting racist who believes in collective punishment.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,653
    edited April 8
    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    I am absolutely fascinated to see how the next few years pan out.
    Let's start by assuming we muddle through without armageddon or economic armageddon.
    I reckon even if Trump wants a third term, he's not medically up to it - indeed I have grave doubts he gets through this term.
    I don't think Vance or any Trumpspawn have the electoral appeal to continue the project. Bluntly, I think without Trump, MAGA fizzles out. I don't think - touch wood - it is competent or powerful enough to overturn democracy, except at the margins.
    I don't think GOP comes back lightly from this. Dems win easily in 2028, no matter how crazy they are.
    What happens then?

    My view is - tragic as this might seem - the rest of the west just pretends none of this ever happened. We go back to 2012.

    I don't buy the 'never trust America again' argument. We in Europe are few enough of friends as it is, and don't even trust each other much. There's China and India, but while I buy the argument that the leaders of those countries are at least tethered to reality, there's no obvious reason why future American madman is any worse than future Chinese or Indian madman.
    I still, of course, hanker after @Gardenwalker's vision of an Anglo-Canadian future - potentially bolstered by serious alliances with Australia and the Scandinavians and an understanding with the French - but is that enough to stand against a rest-of-the-world that now includes America? I don't think it does. So we persist with American 'friendship' for want of anything else.
    Fascinated to hear the alternatives.

    We hedge out bets.
    Europe is a little ahead of us in that. Most yf their new defence funding will be spent in Europe, not the US. That marks rather a large change.

    The US will remain our friend - particularly once Trump is gone - but a more distant friend than before.
    Today's example.

    Bulgaria will purchase 12 MARS 3 multiple launch rocket systems instead of 🇺🇸American HIMARS
    https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/2041912553652068551

    (Ironically an Israeli design.)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,785
    edited April 8
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
    There may have been, and if there have then they should be prosecuted, then punished if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be murder.

    I am not aware of any such cases. That is not to deny there may be some.

    Though including settlers expands the scope beyond what we were discussing.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,785

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    That's because you're a disgusting racist who believes in collective punishment.
    I have never condoned racism, nor advocated collective punishment.

    Supporting military action and accepting collateral damage is neither racist nor collective punishment. The people with the most to gain from regime change in Iran is the Iranians.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,378
    John McDonnell's former advisor during Corbyn years now running for Greens.

    It is so over for Your Party.


    James Meadway
    @meadwaj

    Some news - I’m running as a Green Party candidate for Bromley North ward in Tower Hamlets! It’s a tight race but the Greens can win - make hope normal again, and sign up to help with the campaign here:
  • TresTres Posts: 3,654

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
    There may have been, and if there have then they should be prosecuted, then punished if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be murder.

    I am not aware of any such cases. That is not to deny there may be some.

    Though including settlers expands the scope beyond what we were discussing.
    maybe you should educate yourself before pontificating on about the conflict then
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
    There may have been, and if there have then they should be prosecuted, then punished if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be murder.

    I am not aware of any such cases. That is not to deny there may be some.

    Though including settlers expands the scope beyond what we were discussing.
    maybe you should educate yourself before pontificating on about the conflict then
    None so blind...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    Quite some drama going on with the Pope and the Trump administration.

    Apparently the Pentagon threatened the Popes top US diplomat after the speech criticising war .

    And now the Pope has cancelled a planned trip to the USA later this year . Clearly he didn’t want to have to be in the same room as the stain on humanity .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,779
    nico67 said:

    Quite some drama going on with the Pope and the Trump administration.

    Apparently the Pentagon threatened the Popes top US diplomat after the speech criticising war .

    And now the Pope has cancelled a planned trip to the USA later this year . Clearly he didn’t want to have to be in the same room as the stain on humanity .

    https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/the-pentagon-threatened-pope-leo
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958

    John McDonnell's former advisor during Corbyn years now running for Greens.

    It is so over for Your Party.


    James Meadway
    @meadwaj

    Some news - I’m running as a Green Party candidate for Bromley North ward in Tower Hamlets! It’s a tight race but the Greens can win - make hope normal again, and sign up to help with the campaign here:

    Who knew there was a Bromley North (and a Bromley High Street) in Tower Hamlets!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,491

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
    There may have been, and if there have then they should be prosecuted, then punished if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be murder.

    I am not aware of any such cases. That is not to deny there may be some.

    Though including settlers expands the scope beyond what we were discussing.
    There are lots of examples.

    Here is one where the Israelis investigated and punished the murderers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

    Unfortunately, there are many examples of attacks by Settlers on Palestinians which go unpunished: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/israeli-settlers-attack-palestinians-with-impunity-halting-west-bank-olive-harvest

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,958
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    Quite some drama going on with the Pope and the Trump administration.

    Apparently the Pentagon threatened the Popes top US diplomat after the speech criticising war .

    And now the Pope has cancelled a planned trip to the USA later this year . Clearly he didn’t want to have to be in the same room as the stain on humanity .

    https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/the-pentagon-threatened-pope-leo
    I'm not sure the Vatican blocking the River Tiber to deter a USA attack would have quite the same impact as Iran and Hormuz.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,877

    Nigelb said:

    Cookie said:

    I am absolutely fascinated to see how the next few years pan out.
    Let's start by assuming we muddle through without armageddon or economic armageddon.
    I reckon even if Trump wants a third term, he's not medically up to it - indeed I have grave doubts he gets through this term.
    I don't think Vance or any Trumpspawn have the electoral appeal to continue the project. Bluntly, I think without Trump, MAGA fizzles out. I don't think - touch wood - it is competent or powerful enough to overturn democracy, except at the margins.
    I don't think GOP comes back lightly from this. Dems win easily in 2028, no matter how crazy they are.
    What happens then?

    My view is - tragic as this might seem - the rest of the west just pretends none of this ever happened. We go back to 2012.

    I don't buy the 'never trust America again' argument. We in Europe are few enough of friends as it is, and don't even trust each other much. There's China and India, but while I buy the argument that the leaders of those countries are at least tethered to reality, there's no obvious reason why future American madman is any worse than future Chinese or Indian madman.
    I still, of course, hanker after @Gardenwalker's vision of an Anglo-Canadian future - potentially bolstered by serious alliances with Australia and the Scandinavians and an understanding with the French - but is that enough to stand against a rest-of-the-world that now includes America? I don't think it does. So we persist with American 'friendship' for want of anything else.
    Fascinated to hear the alternatives.

    We hedge out bets.
    Europe is a little ahead of us in that. Most yf their new defence funding will be spent in Europe, not the US. That marks rather a large change.

    The US will remain our friend - particularly once Trump is gone - but a more distant friend than before.
    "I don't buy the 'never trust America again' argument. "

    Probably correct. But shouldn't be. The middle powers as they seem to be now called should work together - UK, Canada, Aussie, N Zealand, Norway, Denmark etc.

    USA has revealed that its shining city on a hill is in permanent jeopardy from a few tens of thousands of low or no information voters in a few dozen counties of rural america who think some clown off the TV is the best bet as POTUS and we must never forget now unless they change their system.


    In 2024 Trump won the US popular vote and suburban and commuter belt America, it was certainly not just some voters in rural or small town America who voted for him, if that had been most of his vote we would now have President Harris.

    So even if you had had the US presidency decided by popular vote Trump would still be President, albeit Hillary would have beaten him in 2016 and of course Biden managed to beat him in 2020 in the Electoral College too and win middle America
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,877

    The likely future president of France is dating a Bourbon princess.

    https://x.com/AlertesInfos/status/2041951785837908356

    Not quite so likely on the latest poll which has Macron's former PM Philippe beating Bardella 51.5% to 48.5% in a run off

    https://elabe.fr/fichier-pdf/12955-20260328_elabe_bfmtv_la-tribune-dimanche_election-presidentielle-2027/
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,145
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
    There may have been, and if there have then they should be prosecuted, then punished if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be murder.

    I am not aware of any such cases. That is not to deny there may be some.

    Though including settlers expands the scope beyond what we were discussing.
    There are lots of examples.

    Here is one where the Israelis investigated and punished the murderers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

    Unfortunately, there are many examples of attacks by Settlers on Palestinians which go unpunished: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/israeli-settlers-attack-palestinians-with-impunity-halting-west-bank-olive-harvest

    The former Israeli PM Ehud Olmert is certain that there have been numerous Palestinian civilians murdered and that the state has failed to prosecute in >90% of cases, I'd expect that he, and fellow signatories, are quite well-informed as to the reality of what is happening in Israel.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/25/no-israel-prosecutions-for-killing-palestinian-civilians-in-occupied-west-bank-since-start-of-decade

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,865
    After the meeting with Rutte:

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116371693008302124

    NATO WASN’T THERE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM, AND THEY WON’T BE THERE IF WE NEED THEM AGAIN. REMEMBER GREENLAND, THAT BIG, POORLY RUN, PIECE OF ICE!!! President DJT
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,779

    The likely future president of France is dating a Bourbon princess.

    https://x.com/AlertesInfos/status/2041951785837908356

    well that's the way the cookie crumbles
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,779
    edited April 9

    The likely future president of France is dating a Bourbon princess.

    https://x.com/AlertesInfos/status/2041951785837908356

    The legendary Alexei Sayle

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11CvBKpKbn8

    "...you know Zapata he starts out as a peasant revolutionary, ends up as a kind of mustache. Che Guevara, he was another one - South American revolutionary, ends up as a sort of boot. Garibaldi, Italian revolutionary, ends up as a kind of biscuit. Actually it's quite interesting though the number of biscuits that are actually named after revolutionaries. You got your Garibaldi of course, you've got your Bourbon, and then of course you got your Peak Freems Trotsky assortment. (sings) Revolution biscuits of Italy rise up out of your box, you have nothing to lose but your wafers..."


  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,145

    After the meeting with Rutte:

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116371693008302124

    NATO WASN’T THERE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM, AND THEY WON’T BE THERE IF WE NEED THEM AGAIN. REMEMBER GREENLAND, THAT BIG, POORLY RUN, PIECE OF ICE!!! President DJT

    Vance to lead US peace talks delegation.

    Probably a good moment to liquidate any stocks after today's rally before Hillbilly tries to kickstart the rapture. Presumably why they're not stopping Israel from breaking the ceasefire.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,780

    John McDonnell's former advisor during Corbyn years now running for Greens.

    It is so over for Your Party.


    James Meadway
    @meadwaj

    Some news - I’m running as a Green Party candidate for Bromley North ward in Tower Hamlets! It’s a tight race but the Greens can win - make hope normal again, and sign up to help with the campaign here:

    Who knew there was a Bromley North (and a Bromley High Street) in Tower Hamlets!
    Bromley-by-Bow tube station too!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,490
    Dopermean said:

    After the meeting with Rutte:

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/116371693008302124

    NATO WASN’T THERE WHEN WE NEEDED THEM, AND THEY WON’T BE THERE IF WE NEED THEM AGAIN. REMEMBER GREENLAND, THAT BIG, POORLY RUN, PIECE OF ICE!!! President DJT

    Vance to lead US peace talks delegation.

    Probably a good moment to liquidate any stocks after today's rally before Hillbilly tries to kickstart the rapture. Presumably why they're not stopping Israel from breaking the ceasefire.
    Trump didn't quite understand Netanyahu's instruction that they needed to add Vance on Iran.

    (Vance, Witkoff, Kushner. Three pro-Russian useful idiots or FSB assets, depending on whether you go with only the evidence or with plausible interpretations of it. Negotiating with Iran, which is a Russian client state. These will be short negotiations and Iran will continue to dominate the Straits. Could be a nasty summer.)
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,146

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    You’re confusing murder with liberation. None were murdered, just liberated from life by the benevolent IDF.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,922
    viewcode said:

    nico67 said:

    Quite some drama going on with the Pope and the Trump administration.

    Apparently the Pentagon threatened the Popes top US diplomat after the speech criticising war .

    And now the Pope has cancelled a planned trip to the USA later this year . Clearly he didn’t want to have to be in the same room as the stain on humanity .

    https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/the-pentagon-threatened-pope-leo
    The first USA born Pope cancelling an historic visit to the USA, yes absolutely nothing to see here... On the upside I suspect he will have enough common sense to refuse to meet the angel of death Vance..
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,467
    kle4 said:

    Tres said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/dave_brown24/status/2041971016948212109

    SCOOP: The Trump administration is considering a plan to punish some members of the NATO alliance that it believes were unhelpful to the U.S. and Israel during the Iran war, according to administration officials.

    The proposal would involve moving U.S. troops out of NATO countries deemed unhelpful to the Iran war effort and station them in countries that were more supportive of the U.S. military campaign

    Israel isn't in NATO, so why should NATO members help it?
    For the same reason we help Ukraine, it is the right thing to do.
    Why help the murderous apartheid Israeli regime?
    Because they're neither murderous nor apartheid, and instead are a free democracy.
    How many civilians have they murdered in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon over the years, and Iran in the last month?
    None that I am aware of.
    You don't think that there have been any civilians murdered in the West Bank by Israeli Settlers or the IDF?
    There may have been, and if there have then they should be prosecuted, then punished if it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be murder.

    I am not aware of any such cases. That is not to deny there may be some.

    Though including settlers expands the scope beyond what we were discussing.
    maybe you should educate yourself before pontificating on about the conflict then
    None so blind...
    or as dumb
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