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No wonder JD Vance isn’t a fan of the war – politicalbetting.com

CHART OF THE DAY: The US gasoline national average retail price has risen above $4 per gallon for the first time since 2022, per the @AAA_Travel. It's the kind of price level that typically has triggered political alarms inside the White House (and Congress). pic.twitter.com/Ll1dRgEeSp

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  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,141
    First?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,884
    Every day that goes past is another day where America ends right in front of our eyes. As for Vance, he isn't family, which makes it unlikely that the Trump family appoints him Boss Man.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,394
    A shiver ran along the Cabinet of Donald Trump at their last meeting.

    It was looking for a spine to run down.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,828
    NATO

    Call the cnuts bluff....

    All other Countries unilaterally leave NATO

    Donald you can have your ATO and stick it where the sun don't shine, it'll fir perfectly with your World Series of American Rounders.

    Meet FUDTO

    Fuck You Donal Treaty Organisation

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,081
    What America giveth, Ukraine taketh away

    https://bsky.app/profile/gilesyb.bsky.social/post/3mig3kzey622g
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,395
    Scott_xP said:
    No context to that whatsoever without signing in.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,845

    Scott_xP said:
    No context to that whatsoever without signing in.
    Russian oil revenues dropped by $1 billion after Ukrainian drone strikes hit Baltic ports, reducing exports by 43% from 4.07 to 2.31 million barrels per day. Shipments fell to 22 tankers, with Baltic exports hitting their lowest level since the full-scale invasion.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,171
    Very often changes in gas prices have absolutely nothing to do with the government that takes the blame. Most voters aren't usually sophisticated enough to think through cause and effect.

    In this case, it must be unusually obvious even to the average voter that Trump's and Netanyahu's war of choice has caused the big increase in their monthly bills.

    So of the three factors that seem to have won it for Trump 2024, the cost of living, full disclosure on the Epstein files and immigration, he's only arguably delivering on the latter, and even there lots of people are now asking whether his methods aren't excessive.

    So, logically, the midterms should be terrible for him. But we shouldn't underestimate the ability of the Democrats to miss an open goal (because that's basically what they've spent the last couple of years doing), and Trumpian Republicans' willingness to shove their heads in the sand (ditto).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,203
    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 62,050

    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.

    A reminder that Mind Bleach is a petroleum derived product. So prices have soared and supplies will shortly run out.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,203

    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.

    A reminder that Mind Bleach is a petroleum derived product. So prices have soared and supplies will shortly run out.
    Now I’ve seen a JD Vance version of it.

    I’m never going on social media again.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,394

    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.

    A reminder that Mind Bleach is a petroleum derived product. So prices have soared and supplies will shortly run out.
    Now I’ve seen a JD Vance version of it.

    I’m never going on social media again.
    That's an old photo from when he was a student, no?

    https://www.ndtv.com/feature/old-pic-of-jd-vance-dressed-as-drag-queen-goes-viral-internet-reacts-6338117

    Warning - he looks even more of a tit than usual in that photo.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,203
    edited 7:22AM
    ydoethur said:

    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.

    A reminder that Mind Bleach is a petroleum derived product. So prices have soared and supplies will shortly run out.
    Now I’ve seen a JD Vance version of it.

    I’m never going on social media again.
    That's an old photo from when he was a student, no?

    https://www.ndtv.com/feature/old-pic-of-jd-vance-dressed-as-drag-queen-goes-viral-internet-reacts-6338117

    Warning - he looks even more of a tit than usual in that photo.
    No, this is AI.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,013
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    No context to that whatsoever without signing in.
    Russian oil revenues dropped by $1 billion after Ukrainian drone strikes hit Baltic ports, reducing exports by 43% from 4.07 to 2.31 million barrels per day. Shipments fell to 22 tankers, with Baltic exports hitting their lowest level since the full-scale invasion.
    Kinetic sanctions work.

    As Iran knows full well.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,810
    >marmalised

    Great use of a word from the English Test Cricket experience by @TSE .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,767
    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,013

    ydoethur said:

    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.

    A reminder that Mind Bleach is a petroleum derived product. So prices have soared and supplies will shortly run out.
    Now I’ve seen a JD Vance version of it.

    I’m never going on social media again.
    That's an old photo from when he was a student, no?

    https://www.ndtv.com/feature/old-pic-of-jd-vance-dressed-as-drag-queen-goes-viral-internet-reacts-6338117

    Warning - he looks even more of a tit than usual in that photo.
    No, this is AI.
    I'm holding out for the AI Donald Bimbo.

    The one with all the make-up, the crazy blonde hair, the dumb way of talking...

    Oh.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,884
    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    Never mind that shit, its aviation fuel which is our more immediate crisis. Unless we start buying it from Gilead we have a problem, as the last tanker from the gulf is already on the water and unless the war ends and everyone pays cash to Iran for passage there will be no more.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068
    Today would be a great day for the US to scream, "April fool", did you really believe that we elected this kleptomaniac President?? HA.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497
    MattW said:

    >marmalised

    Great use of a word from the English Test Cricket experience by @TSE .

    Wasn't marmalised a Ken Dodd invention?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,867
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    No context to that whatsoever without signing in.
    Russian oil revenues dropped by $1 billion after Ukrainian drone strikes hit Baltic ports, reducing exports by 43% from 4.07 to 2.31 million barrels per day. Shipments fell to 22 tankers, with Baltic exports hitting their lowest level since the full-scale invasion.
    The war was always a stupid idea, but now it really has gone tits up for Russia.

    Putin ought to have taken what the USA was offering him, last year.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,084
    DavidL said:

    Today would be a great day for the US to scream, "April fool", did you really believe that we elected this kleptomaniac President?? HA.

    I saw a great April fool this morning saying that Curacao and Cape Verde were going to the World Cup and Italy didn't make it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497
    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068
    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    Not just a crisis but serious economic damage. We are in danger of going back into lockdown where everyone pretends to work from home and nothing gets done.

    Petrol stations around here are starting to develop significant queues. It is surely a matter of time until some run dry.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,281
    DavidL said:

    Today would be a great day for the US to scream, "April fool", did you really believe that we elected this kleptomaniac President?? HA.

    April Fool, like irony, is dead.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,394
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,726
    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    A crisis created by the lies and incompetence of Donald Trump.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,810
    edited 7:49AM

    MattW said:

    >marmalised

    Great use of a word from the English Test Cricket experience by @TSE .

    Wasn't marmalised a Ken Dodd invention?
    Certainly it was Liverpool 1960s, but I'd surmise that Ken Dodd may have popularised it.

    We were using it at primary school in the 1970s.

    The Internet tells me that Ken Dodd's Diddy Men included and Irish Diddy Man called Mick the Marmaliser.

    https://youtu.be/uuMR4opxmQc?t=60

    "So here's Mick the Marmaliser
    He's 2 foot 7 tall.
    And with his succinct shillelagh
    he'll marmalise you all."
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,279

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    At least they won't be blockading Grangemouth this time round.
    *result*
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068

    DavidL said:

    Today would be a great day for the US to scream, "April fool", did you really believe that we elected this kleptomaniac President?? HA.

    I saw a great April fool this morning saying that Curacao and Cape Verde were going to the World Cup and Italy didn't make it.
    Countries like this serve an important function in developing another generation of angst for the Scots.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,850
    edited 7:51AM

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,469
    He can sign whatever he likes in relation to the elections but he has no legal authority . This latest attempt at stealing the mid-terms will fail in the courts as it’s unconstitutional just as the last order was .
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,767

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    A crisis created by the lies and incompetence of Donald Trump.
    So Starmer’s plan is to do a Gordon Brown, and say the crisis started in America while doing nothing about actually relieving the pressure on his own country?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.
    The Conservative Party were key to (furtively) organising the 2000 events. It would be a massive feather in Kemi's cap if she could do the same.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,281
    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The basic problem there isn't enough supply, not the high prices. Demand either has to be limited by price or by rationing. Rationing has a better chance of matching supply to need. At that point you might think about price interventions.

    If you subsidise products in a shortage all you do is give more even money to the seller. (Strictly speaking a tax cut not a subsidy but the effect is the same).
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081
    Morning all.
    Albanese making a statement to the nation in Oz at 9 uk time, strongly rumoured Fuel rationing on the menu. If so, then id expect SKS might say similar later
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,141
    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    When something is in short supply its price should go up, econ 101.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497
    Lefty posters, you are not supposed to flag a post simply because you don't agree with the content.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004
    I liked the Mail’s April fool article today. Not quite as good as the Stonehenge classic but pretty close and sadly plausible
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,171
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    Not just a crisis but serious economic damage. We are in danger of going back into lockdown where everyone pretends to work from home and nothing gets done.

    Petrol stations around here are starting to develop significant queues. It is surely a matter of time until some run dry.
    You're buying in to Reform propaganda.

    All this crap about Trump's war causing this disaster is obviously wrong.

    It's clearly because of Brexit.

    I can't believe no-one can see that rejoining the EU, joining the euro and handing over £25 billion/year would solve all our economic problems.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,726
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    A crisis created by the lies and incompetence of Donald Trump.
    So Starmer’s plan is to do a Gordon Brown, and say the crisis started in America while doing nothing about actually relieving the pressure on his own country?
    This crisis did start in America. That much is true.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,394
    nico67 said:

    He can sign whatever he likes in relation to the elections but he has no legal authority . This latest attempt at stealing the mid-terms will fail in the courts as it’s unconstitutional just as the last order was .
    I wish I shared your faith in the Supreme Court, who have already said on two occasions that the Constitution doesn't apply to the electoral crimes of Donald Trump.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004
    Brixian59 said:

    NATO

    Call the cnuts bluff....

    All other Countries unilaterally leave NATO

    Donald you can have your ATO and stick it where the sun don't shine, it'll fir perfectly with your World Series of American Rounders.

    Meet FUDTO

    Fuck You Donal Treaty Organisation

    No - the infrastructure and institutional set up is too valuable
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Morning all.
    Albanese making a statement to the nation in Oz at 9 uk time, strongly rumoured Fuel rationing on the menu. If so, then id expect SKS might say similar later

    If he does Starmer and Labour are finished forever.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,394

    I liked the Mail’s April fool article today. Not quite as good as the Stonehenge classic but pretty close and sadly plausible

    They should rush more out before noon.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068
    edited 7:58AM
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    You are assuming an efficiency of allocation by market pressures which I do not believe exists in this instance. Much more the case :

    "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081

    Morning all.
    Albanese making a statement to the nation in Oz at 9 uk time, strongly rumoured Fuel rationing on the menu. If so, then id expect SKS might say similar later

    If he does Starmer and Labour are finished forever.
    Blair got away with it
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004

    So I've seen a photo of Marco Rubio dressed like Kristi Noem’s husband and quite frankly I'll have nightmares about it for the rest of my life.

    It's a million times worse than that Farage photo.

    Big shoes to fill
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,828
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    The farmers and hauliers.

    One sure way of blocking roads in normal times, ne guaranteed endless moan at all times.

    At least they won't all have every Wednesday off to block the Capital, roads to and from, waste fuel and do fuck all for a day, sat on their spotlessly clean jcbs, provided by a massive tax evader and avoider.

    Bring it on the whining toffs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068
    Fishing said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    Not just a crisis but serious economic damage. We are in danger of going back into lockdown where everyone pretends to work from home and nothing gets done.

    Petrol stations around here are starting to develop significant queues. It is surely a matter of time until some run dry.
    You're buying in to Reform propaganda.

    All this crap about Trump's war causing this disaster is obviously wrong.

    It's clearly because of Brexit.

    I can't believe no-one can see that rejoining the EU, joining the euro and handing over £25 billion/year would solve all our economic problems.
    I have a self confessed blind spot about this.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,469
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    He can sign whatever he likes in relation to the elections but he has no legal authority . This latest attempt at stealing the mid-terms will fail in the courts as it’s unconstitutional just as the last order was .
    I wish I shared your faith in the Supreme Court, who have already said on two occasions that the Constitution doesn't apply to the electoral crimes of Donald Trump.
    I have little faith in the Supreme Court but on this issue even their sometimes creative view of the Constitution won’t be enough .

    It’s totally clear that only states or congress can alter the manner and timing of elections .

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,013
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:
    No context to that whatsoever without signing in.
    Russian oil revenues dropped by $1 billion after Ukrainian drone strikes hit Baltic ports, reducing exports by 43% from 4.07 to 2.31 million barrels per day. Shipments fell to 22 tankers, with Baltic exports hitting their lowest level since the full-scale invasion.
    The war was always a stupid idea, but now it really has gone tits up for Russia.

    Putin ought to have taken what the USA was offering him, last year.
    Another 1,060 Russian troops and 62 artillery/MLRS not reporting for duty this morning.

    Fast heading to 1.3 million troops and 42,000 artillery/MLRS no longer available to Putin.

    There also appears to be a world shortage of off-ramps.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Morning all.
    Albanese making a statement to the nation in Oz at 9 uk time, strongly rumoured Fuel rationing on the menu. If so, then id expect SKS might say similar later

    If he does Starmer and Labour are finished forever.
    Blair got away with it
    I don't recall rationing since Heath in 1973. He didn't ration, and he still didn't get away with it.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,850
    edited 8:03AM
    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    You are assuming an efficiency of allocation by market pressures which I do not believe exists in this instance. Much more the case :

    "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."
    I’m not, actually. I’m recognising that there are significant local fuel supply issues and prices should be allowed to adjust to account for that so that supplies don’t run out.

    I’m also recognising that the large chunk of demand for fuel is almost entirely inelastic. We need a very, very strong price signal so that the least damaging transport is reduced - whether that is me heading to the Highlands this weekend, or people being forced to commute to the office to sit alone 300 miles away from the rest of their team.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,454

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.
    The Conservative Party were key to (furtively) organising the 2000 events. It would be a massive feather in Kemi's cap if she could do the same.
    It was easy for the Tories to take the bounce off that then as they were the natural home for anti-Blair opposition. Harder today with Reform fishing in the same waters.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,750
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    Farmers and hauliers aren't running on unleaded. Diesel at 170.9 this morning...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    Never mind that shit, its aviation fuel which is our more immediate crisis. Unless we start buying it from Gilead we have a problem, as the last tanker from the gulf is already on the water and unless the war ends and everyone pays cash to Iran for passage there will be no more.
    So the snp and ed miliband closing Grangemouth wasn’t their smartest idea?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,394
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    He can sign whatever he likes in relation to the elections but he has no legal authority . This latest attempt at stealing the mid-terms will fail in the courts as it’s unconstitutional just as the last order was .
    I wish I shared your faith in the Supreme Court, who have already said on two occasions that the Constitution doesn't apply to the electoral crimes of Donald Trump.
    I have little faith in the Supreme Court but on this issue even their sometimes creative view of the Constitution won’t be enough .

    It’s totally clear that only states or congress can alter the manner and timing of elections .

    It's totally clear that Presidents don't have immunity for treason as well. They just decided otherwise...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081

    Morning all.
    Albanese making a statement to the nation in Oz at 9 uk time, strongly rumoured Fuel rationing on the menu. If so, then id expect SKS might say similar later

    If he does Starmer and Labour are finished forever.
    Blair got away with it
    I don't recall rationing since Heath in 1973. He didn't ration, and he still didn't get away with it.
    No, i was misremembering. There was voluntary rationing by some petrol stations to emergency services etc.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497
    Foss said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.
    The Conservative Party were key to (furtively) organising the 2000 events. It would be a massive feather in Kemi's cap if she could do the same.
    It was easy for the Tories to take the bounce off that then as they were the natural home for anti-Blair opposition. Harder today with Reform fishing in the same waters.
    Kemi is hitting all the right notes with fuel (even if a lot of what she is saying is disingenuous bullshit). It is more difficult for Farage because he has always been foursquare behind the war
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    At least they won't be blockading Grangemouth this time round.
    *result*
    You might have inferred that I am not of the Nationalist persuasion. But when I see what has been done to our petro-chemical industry so some clots in north London can feel better about themselves it is really hard not to be upset. See also regional electricity pricing which is preventing Scotland from having a competitive advantage with AI data centres. Bah.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081
    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,469

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    This country is losing its mind !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    A solid RefCon majority of 51%. Nigel and Kemi are having a great war.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081
    edited 8:11AM
    Senedd polling from Beaufort Research

    Plaid 30 (+1)
    Ref 27 (=)
    Lab 17 (-3)
    Grn 11 (+4)
    Con 9 (-1)
    LD 6 (+1)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004
    edited 8:12AM
    ydoethur said:

    I liked the Mail’s April fool article today. Not quite as good as the Stonehenge classic but pretty close and sadly plausible

    They should rush more out before noon.
    I do think the 1995? piece on a government funded project to move Stonehenge 3 inches to the left so that the millennium solstice was perfectly aligned with the Heel Stone was inspired
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,068
    nico67 said:

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    This country is losing its mind !
    Interesting choice of tense.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,215
    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    Farmers and hauliers aren't running on unleaded. Diesel at 170.9 this morning...
    Don't farmers use red (untaxed) diesel?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004

    Morning all.
    Albanese making a statement to the nation in Oz at 9 uk time, strongly rumoured Fuel rationing on the menu. If so, then id expect SKS might say similar later

    If he does Starmer and Labour are finished forever.
    Look on the bright side - next year the junior doctors will demand more money to compensate for a temporary spike in inflation
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,767

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    A crisis created by the lies and incompetence of Donald Trump.
    So Starmer’s plan is to do a Gordon Brown, and say the crisis started in America while doing nothing about actually relieving the pressure on his own country?
    This crisis did start in America. That much is true.
    But the UK government actually needs to have a plan of how to deal with the crisis, not just endlessly repeat that it started in America.

    Where’s the supply coming from, what is gov doing to address potential shortages, will gov be offering support or relief to businesses affected, such as long-distance fod delivery, to avoid wider inflation eating into the economy…? These are all things in control of the UK government, and legitimate questions for the PM.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    He can sign whatever he likes in relation to the elections but he has no legal authority . This latest attempt at stealing the mid-terms will fail in the courts as it’s unconstitutional just as the last order was .
    I wish I shared your faith in the Supreme Court, who have already said on two occasions that the Constitution doesn't apply to the electoral crimes of Donald Trump.
    I have little faith in the Supreme Court but on this issue even their sometimes creative view of the Constitution won’t be enough .

    It’s totally clear that only states or congress can alter the manner and timing of elections .

    But presumably Trump is just setting up a narrative for the election results being negative
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Senedd polling from Beaufort Research

    Plaid 30 (+1)
    Ref 27 (=)
    Lab 17 (-3)
    Grn 11 (+4)
    Con 9 (-1)
    LD 6 (+1)

    You do have to make the extrapolation that Labour's further decline is Starmer having an absolutely shocking war. Trump pretty much declaring war on Starmer is a bad look for Labour.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,004
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    At least they won't be blockading Grangemouth this time round.
    *result*
    You might have inferred that I am not of the Nationalist persuasion. But when I see what has been done to our petro-chemical industry so some clots in north London can feel better about themselves it is really hard not to be upset. See also regional electricity pricing which is preventing Scotland from having a competitive advantage with AI data centres. Bah.
    I think you misspelt “clots”
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,199
    It was cost of living that elected Trump over Harris in 2024 and if oil prices continue to surge that could indeed see the Democrats win the midterms and 2028 presidential election. Hence Trump is now trying to agree an end to the conflict in Iran.

    Personally, I think Buttigieg is more likely to be the Democratic nomination than Newsom, Buttigieg already leads Newsom in New Hampshire in polls this month amongst Democratic primary voters for example, ahead of Newsom and AOC


    https://emersoncollegepolling.com/new-hampshire-2026-sununu-leads-gop-nomination-ties-pappas-for-senate/

    https://www.anselm.edu/about/anselmian-hub/news/new-poll-saint-anselm-college-survey-shows-democrats-gaining-ground-republicans-face-political-headwinds
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,469

    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    He can sign whatever he likes in relation to the elections but he has no legal authority . This latest attempt at stealing the mid-terms will fail in the courts as it’s unconstitutional just as the last order was .
    I wish I shared your faith in the Supreme Court, who have already said on two occasions that the Constitution doesn't apply to the electoral crimes of Donald Trump.
    I have little faith in the Supreme Court but on this issue even their sometimes creative view of the Constitution won’t be enough .

    It’s totally clear that only states or congress can alter the manner and timing of elections .

    But presumably Trump is just setting up a narrative for the election results being negative
    Of course he wants to scream steal . And of course sowing uncertainty and threatening to send ICE to polling stations is designed to frightened especially Latino voters who have been deserting him .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497
    HYUFD said:

    It was cost of living that elected Trump over Harris in 2024 and if oil prices continue to surge that could indeed see the Democrats win the midterms and 2028 presidential election. Hence Trump is now trying to agree an end to the conflict in Iran.

    Personally, I think Buttigieg is more likely to be the Democratic nomination than Newsom, Buttigieg already leads Newsom in New Hampshire in polls this month amongst Democratic primary voters for example, ahead of Newsom and AOC


    https://emersoncollegepolling.com/new-hampshire-2026-sununu-leads-gop-nomination-ties-pappas-for-senate/

    https://www.anselm.edu/about/anselmian-hub/news/new-poll-saint-anselm-college-survey-shows-democrats-gaining-ground-republicans-face-political-headwinds

    Trump is running the midterms now, so the GOP wins whatever the voters think.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/trump-signs-executive-order-create-federal-voter-lists-rcna266092
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,767

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    Farmers and hauliers aren't running on unleaded. Diesel at 170.9 this morning...
    Don't farmers use red (untaxed) diesel?
    Only for vehicles that don’t go on roads (with limited exemptions for eg a road-registered combine harvester or tractor moving between fields). A farm truck with number plates is most definitely not allowed to use the red stuff.

    Hauliers are the big problem, because the cost of distribution feeds into general inflation like almost nothing else. Even the price of fuel is affected by the cost of delivering it!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,199

    Senedd polling from Beaufort Research

    Plaid 30 (+1)
    Ref 27 (=)
    Lab 17 (-3)
    Grn 11 (+4)
    Con 9 (-1)
    LD 6 (+1)

    You do have to make the extrapolation that Labour's further decline is Starmer having an absolutely shocking war. Trump pretty much declaring war on Starmer is a bad look for Labour.
    Plaid would still likely need Labour support to form a government in Wales though on the Beaufort poll
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    At least they won't be blockading Grangemouth this time round.
    *result*
    You might have inferred that I am not of the Nationalist persuasion. But when I see what has been done to our petro-chemical industry so some clots in north London can feel better about themselves it is really hard not to be upset. See also regional electricity pricing which is preventing Scotland from having a competitive advantage with AI data centres. Bah.
    I agree with your first part, but I am interested in exploring TUD's views on the Grangemouth closure - I would have thought his politics would make him quite comfortable with it.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    A solid RefCon majority of 51%. Nigel and Kemi are having a great war.
    TORY TORY HALLELUJAH
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Pulpstar said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Your reminder that $4 a US gallon is around 80p a litre, and that still includes a load of tax in most places.

    So how much is the UK government going to cut tax on petrol to avert a crisis?

    The farmers and the hauliers blockaded Grangemouth and Fawley when the prices hit 80p a litre in 2000.
    Which is equivalent to 155p today, so we’re still short of that despite Hormuz closing.

    I appreciate the need to keep costs down for essential services, but it does seem a bit mad to me to suppress prices at a time when there is a significant risk of an actual shortage. The market clearing at a very high price is a much better outcome compared with literally running out.

    This is a bit like the North Sea - an interesting debate about taxation for the medium and long term, but ultimately irrelevant or, as in this case, has the potential to make things worse in short term.

    Worth noting that as fuel duty is fixed, the government has effectively cut taxes on fuel already as a proportion.
    Farmers and hauliers aren't running on unleaded. Diesel at 170.9 this morning...
    Don't farmers use red (untaxed) diesel?
    There is no "red" diesel anymore.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,187
    For those advocating fuel rationing can you explain how it would work ?

    It is not the same as rationing for food where everyone needs approximately the same amount per person and per week.

    With fuel some people might need 20L per month while others need 100L per week.

    Then there is the issue of those who use fuel for work purposes as well as for personal use.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    How was the rally?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081
    edited 8:21AM
    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns economic impact to last many months
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,199

    HYUFD said:

    It was cost of living that elected Trump over Harris in 2024 and if oil prices continue to surge that could indeed see the Democrats win the midterms and 2028 presidential election. Hence Trump is now trying to agree an end to the conflict in Iran.

    Personally, I think Buttigieg is more likely to be the Democratic nomination than Newsom, Buttigieg already leads Newsom in New Hampshire in polls this month amongst Democratic primary voters for example, ahead of Newsom and AOC


    https://emersoncollegepolling.com/new-hampshire-2026-sununu-leads-gop-nomination-ties-pappas-for-senate/

    https://www.anselm.edu/about/anselmian-hub/news/new-poll-saint-anselm-college-survey-shows-democrats-gaining-ground-republicans-face-political-headwinds

    Trump is running the midterms now, so the GOP wins whatever the voters think.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/trump-signs-executive-order-create-federal-voter-lists-rcna266092
    Election experts said they expected the order would be deemed unconstitutional by the courts.

    “This will be blocked by the federals courts before the ink is dry,” said David Becker, founder of the nonpartisan Center for Election Innovation & Research, which works to support election administrators.

    “The Constitution clearly gives the power to regulate these issues related to mail ballots to the states,” Becker continued. “The president has been excluded by the framers from dictating election policy to the states.”
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586

    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns econom8c impact to last many months

    That'll be Starmer folding too then. We'll just get an adenoidal lecture on car sharing from a man who spends most of his life on a private jet.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    How was the rally?
    In Norfolk?
    They all had a lovely time im told.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns economic impact to last many months

    So Starmer has called for rationing unilaterally. What a c***!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081

    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns economic impact to last many months

    So Starmer has called for rationing unilaterally. What a c***!
    He hasnt called for rationing. Yet
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    How was the rally?
    In Norfolk?
    They all had a lovely time im told.
    I thought you were going there to suss out the moaning bitches first hand - it seems I totally misunderstood your post.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,199
    edited 8:25AM

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    Those new MiC numbers give Reform 336 MPs and an overall majority.

    Labour still second on seats though with 93 MPs despite the Tories second on votes, LDs and Tories near tied for third with 66 and 64 MPs respectively

    https://electionmaps.uk/nowcast/custom
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,019
    HYUFD said:

    Senedd polling from Beaufort Research

    Plaid 30 (+1)
    Ref 27 (=)
    Lab 17 (-3)
    Grn 11 (+4)
    Con 9 (-1)
    LD 6 (+1)

    You do have to make the extrapolation that Labour's further decline is Starmer having an absolutely shocking war. Trump pretty much declaring war on Starmer is a bad look for Labour.
    Plaid would still likely need Labour support to form a government in Wales though on the Beaufort poll
    Surely more likely Green.

    Mornin' everyone!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586

    HYUFD said:

    Senedd polling from Beaufort Research

    Plaid 30 (+1)
    Ref 27 (=)
    Lab 17 (-3)
    Grn 11 (+4)
    Con 9 (-1)
    LD 6 (+1)

    You do have to make the extrapolation that Labour's further decline is Starmer having an absolutely shocking war. Trump pretty much declaring war on Starmer is a bad look for Labour.
    Plaid would still likely need Labour support to form a government in Wales though on the Beaufort poll
    Surely more likely Green.

    Mornin' everyone!
    10mph speed limits ahoy?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 17,081
    edited 8:29AM

    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns econom8c impact to last many months

    That'll be Starmer folding too then. We'll just get an adenoidal lecture on car sharing from a man who spends most of his life on a private jet.
    We will get something about depoiying 'additional public transportstion capabilities' and whatever he has been told his number one priority is today
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 59,013

    Reform bounce with MiC

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 19% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 12% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 11% (-3)
    ❓OTH 4% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,003 | 28-30/3| Change w 25/03

    That 3% LibDem to Reform shift is interesting!

    Tories on 20%+ will help in May. As will a 2% lead over Labour - Labour led them by 5% in 2022...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,586

    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns econom8c impact to last many months

    That'll be Starmer folding too then. We'll just get an adenoidal lecture on car sharing from a man who spends most of his life on a private jet.
    We will get something about depoiying 'additional public transportstion capabilities' and whatever he has been told his number one prioroty is today
    How will free breakfast clubs be worked in?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,497

    Albanese swerves on rationing but encourages a switch to public transport and conserving fuel use.
    Warns economic impact to last many months

    So Starmer has called for rationing unilaterally. What a c***!
    He hasnt called for rationing. Yet
    @wooliedyed called it on here earlier. That is good enough for me. Rationing it is and as I can't vote Tory, Nigel gets my vote!
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