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Lab +2, Con -2 might be in corking territory though - might it ?Indigo said:
I would go along with that, I would say a "corker" requires a non-MoE move by at least one of the major parties.TGOHF said:
So when it's not even a corker - it's even more "meh".___Bobajob___ said:
The last "corker" wasn't a corker in any way - just a run of the mill MOE poll!TGOHF said:
He didn't say it was a "corker" - meh..TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it's going to be a split between marginals and non marginals.OblitusSumMe said:
I hope they've broken out the METTHs. That would be fabulous.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a definition - I suggest any poll that has the gap between Lab/Con moving by +/- 5
or a minor party adding or losing +/- 4 is a "corker". Happy to take soundings
Otherwise "meh" !
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Bounce for PMantifrank said:
I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.Indigo said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees
Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.
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In your other reply you said you needed knowledge rather than a suspicion that an offence would be committed. Absent the tradesmen being stupid enough to admit it in negotiations, if he just said "Cash only, £100", I don't see how the buyer, or anyone else could reasonably infer knowledge that he was proposing to commit and offence.Life_ina_market_town said:
Lomas establishes that an obligation under the civil law to render assistance to a principal will be no defence to a charge of aiding and abetting. No obligation under the civil law will be enforceable, on grounds of public policy, if it involves the commission of a criminal offence. You could not get specific performance against a merchant for the sale of a gun, even if you had paid, if the merchant knew you intended to murder your wife with it.Ishmael_X said:Bollocks. I mean, just bollocks, per me, nobody dissenting, no citation needed, unless the tradesman turns up in a van sign-written HUGE CASH DISCOUNTS SO I CAN DEFRAUD THE REVENUE INNIT.
If you want to indulge in another frenzy of jurisprudence you might consider the point that, absent agreement to the contrary or a custom of the trade, nothing except cash is legal tender, and the tradesman is entitled to decline the offer of payment by any other means, and sue you for debt.
As a matter of practicality I don't see how HMRC could demonstrate that any transaction had happened, much less that it was with intent to defraud since it takes place (usually) in a private residence with no witnesses and no paperwork.
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The internals of the IPSOS were the corking bit, Labour with a 2 (or 3 was it ?) % lead over the Conservatives whilst the SNP were on an impossible 6%.0
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If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Labour with a decent lead over the Conservatives. It would be William Hague Mk 4.Pulpstar said:0 -
Yes, the answer is spending limits. Strict and inflexible.Cyclefree said:
I agree that it's not a good story for the Tories. I am less sure that it's that good for Labour. My impression is that both parties are up to their neck in getting funds from people/groups who are a world away from real life and who indulge in all sorts of accounting wheezes designed to reduce their tax as much as possible. Both are, more or less, as bad as each other.SouthamObserver said:
If tax avoidance is the dominant theme of the next couple of months Labour will be delighted. The story matters a lot, because it is a good one for Labour. What it is very unlikely to do is play well for the Tories. We shall see.CarlottaVance said:
Labour telling each other how 'stories don't matter' when they continue to feature in the news and drive coverage off Labour's wished for topic makes them feel very good but does not help them to win the election.SouthamObserver said:
Tories telling each other how awful Labour is makes them feel very good but does not help them to win the election.CarlottaVance said:
But! but! but!Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: 5 times @ChukaUmunna was asked if Labour would pay back cash from tax avoiding donor, 5 times he dodged the question: http://t.co/bvBQymlgtN
The story has no traction!
It is deceased!
It is forgotten!
It never happened!
Just ask bobachildallowance........finger on the pulse about how there is 'nothing to see' in Scottish Labour.....
What we need to have - but won't get - is a hard limit on how much parties can spend, how much they can receive from any individual or entity (whether that be company, union, charity or whatever) in any one year (no more than £50K - increased every year only by inflation), full transparency of everything provided (money/loans/services in kind etc) and parties will need to learn to live within their means - just like the rest of us. Oh - and no state funding!
If parties cannot raise money within such limits then they die. Too bad. They have no God-given right to exist if they cannot persuade people to support them.
It negates the reason for vast sums of cash. You can only hoard it not spend it.0 -
I think he's far more charismatic than Hague. Also he's not facing Tony Blair...antifrank said:
If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Labour with a decent lead over the Conservatives. It would be William Hague Mk 4.Pulpstar said:0 -
@MichaelPDeacon: "Longer Term Economic Plan." This is like when Robbie Williams released a single called Strong so Gary Barlow released one called Stronger0
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I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...Pulpstar said:
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I love that caption.Pulpstar said:
Bounce for PMantifrank said:
I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.Indigo said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees
Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.
Though I have also been shown this one:
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That was really my point. Its more ineffectual grandstanding legislation. We have seen far to much of that under the current government. I can't quite see how appoints a couple of fitters off the shop floor will change anything, partly because they wont have the business knowledge (and probably access to the relevant information) to know if the company is doing well or not, and more importantly because if they don't have the majority of votes their views will be sidelined and business will continue as before.antifrank said:
I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.Indigo said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees
Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.
In principle I am not wild about business owners (ie the people who are risking their capital) having people foisted on them by the government, and in effect telling them how to run their business.0 -
Ha ha.antifrank said:Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.
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Go to say #megapollingmonday is getting off to a rather slow start...0
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Six Nations: Pascal Pape cited for kneeing Heaslip in the back:
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http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7wpdr45K--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/18x4xpa2korszjpg.jpgantifrank said:
I love that caption.Pulpstar said:
Bounce for PMantifrank said:
I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.Indigo said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees
Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.
Though I have also been shown this one:
http://wwwpinknewscouk.c.presscdn.com/images/2014/02/BBC-lesbian.png
Particularly enjoyable is the way she has been stripped of her PhD.0 -
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I was thinking that myself. I checked on here early to see if it was just your standard PB Hodge Polling orgasm day or it was a full blown mega tissue event.GIN1138 said:Go to say #megapollingmonday is getting off to a rather slow start...
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Easy to define.TGOHF said:
So when it's not even a corker - it's even more "meh".___Bobajob___ said:
The last "corker" wasn't a corker in any way - just a run of the mill MOE poll!TGOHF said:
He didn't say it was a "corker" - meh..TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it's going to be a split between marginals and non marginals.OblitusSumMe said:
I hope they've broken out the METTHs. That would be fabulous.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a definition - I suggest any poll that has the gap between Lab/Con moving by +/- 5
or a minor party adding or losing +/- 4 is a "corker". Happy to take soundings
Otherwise "meh" !
Corker=outlier
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This one connected quite wellGIN1138 said:
I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...Pulpstar said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
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Nah.Pulpstar said:
Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.
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Your point would be wrong anyway because it equates the obligation to pay a debt with the obligation to surrender a bailment. It would create an absolute nightmare in the world of real law as practised by real lawyers (which I am, or rather have been) if it were a defence to a claim for debt that the creditor might not intend to disclose the transaction to the Revenue. On top of that it is just plain wrong: Lomas says EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you think it says: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZqqayIgzB0QC&pg=PR30&lpg=PR30&dq=R+v+Lomas&source=bl&ots=7Z1Fk_NSrr&sig=75dYHRBlCBucNed_tllWrvoGaEI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sdrhVLjxMsLwaqb7gaAI&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q= Lomas&f=falseLife_ina_market_town said:
Lomas establishes that an obligation under the civil law to render assistance to a principal will be no defence to a charge of aiding and abetting. No obligation under the civil law will be enforceable, on grounds of public policy, if it involves the commission of a criminal offence. You could not get specific performance against a merchant for the sale of a gun, even if you had paid, if the merchant knew you intended to murder your wife with it.Ishmael_X said:Bollocks. I mean, just bollocks, per me, nobody dissenting, no citation needed, unless the tradesman turns up in a van sign-written HUGE CASH DISCOUNTS SO I CAN DEFRAUD THE REVENUE INNIT.
If you want to indulge in another frenzy of jurisprudence you might consider the point that, absent agreement to the contrary or a custom of the trade, nothing except cash is legal tender, and the tradesman is entitled to decline the offer of payment by any other means, and sue you for debt.
note on p.333: conviction quashed on appeal.
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I don't even think he'd have UKIP that low. If he was Conservative leader he'd be operating under the same constraints as David Cameron.antifrank said:
If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Labour with a decent lead over the Conservatives. It would be William Hague Mk 4.Pulpstar said:0 -
The headline numbers of the Mori aren't the corker bit, the internals are.___Bobajob___ said:
Easy to define.TGOHF said:
So when it's not even a corker - it's even more "meh".___Bobajob___ said:
The last "corker" wasn't a corker in any way - just a run of the mill MOE poll!TGOHF said:
He didn't say it was a "corker" - meh..TheScreamingEagles said:
I think it's going to be a split between marginals and non marginals.OblitusSumMe said:
I hope they've broken out the METTHs. That would be fabulous.TheScreamingEagles said:
We need a definition - I suggest any poll that has the gap between Lab/Con moving by +/- 5
or a minor party adding or losing +/- 4 is a "corker". Happy to take soundings
Otherwise "meh" !
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Massive over reaction to one favourable poll/crumb of comfort from the Tories finally being correctedSean_F said:http://politicalbookie.com/2015/02/16/ukip-now-favourites-in-seven-seats/?hootPostID=dd3f1f3b8b55b51190f7b1407f12f75f
UKIP now favourite in seven seats.
"The most recent move has been in Rochester, where Mark Reckless improved from joint to outright favourite today. The immediate betting reaction to their by-election win had been that the Tories were likely to take it back in May – that’s no longer the case."
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Twas a joke (at least I assume it isn't true!)GIN1138 said:0 -
POEDWAS.
CCHQ Press Office @CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
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If I was on that jury, I wouldn't draw that inference.Life_ina_market_town said:
The inference that any jury would draw from that is an intent to assist in the defrauding of the Crown of value added tax. If the tradesman evades his liability to value added tax, you would be liable as a secondary party for cheating the public revenue, contrary to common law. In addition, you be liable as a principal for being knowingly concerned in the fraudulent evasion of value added tax by the tradesman, contrary to VATA 1994, s. 72(1).philiph said:If you have a qoute for £xxx.xx and pay in cash £xxx.xx - 20% how will that change your position?
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Hmm maybe I'm viewing Hannan through my own specs here, I'd have no problem voting for him whereas I'm struggling with Dave. If Boris is Con leader then they have a 0% chance of getting my vote. But I know he's quite popular...0
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One of their longer lasting policies...
@TimesNewsdesk: Labour backs off Balls’ call always to get receipts
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Scything.dr_spyn said:POEDWAS.
CCHQ Press Office @CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
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I've done a lot of Board level work with Scandi companies where there are elected employee representative directors. In the main, they have been valuable additions to the discussions, with different perspectives and non-political. I would be very resistant to unions getting to appoint directors, because I think they would be political, but most employees are pretty sensibleIndigo said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees
Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.0 -
That has to be correct, I think. Centre-right voters know they can vote UKIP, without risking a Labour win. And centre-left voters know that every seat that is lost by the Conservatives,, even to UKIP, reduces the chance of a Conservative-led government.isam said:
Massive over reaction to one favourable poll/crumb of comfort from the Tories finally being correctedSean_F said:http://politicalbookie.com/2015/02/16/ukip-now-favourites-in-seven-seats/?hootPostID=dd3f1f3b8b55b51190f7b1407f12f75f
UKIP now favourite in seven seats.
"The most recent move has been in Rochester, where Mark Reckless improved from joint to outright favourite today. The immediate betting reaction to their by-election win had been that the Tories were likely to take it back in May – that’s no longer the case."
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I know.___Bobajob___ said:
Twas a joke (at least I assume it isn't true!)GIN1138 said:
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The time is now,Indigo said:
This one connected quite wellGIN1138 said:
I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...Pulpstar said:
youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
you can go by car,
you can go by cow...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE0 -
No, I just like the BBC caption that goes with it. I flit from avatar to avatar without giving any of them too much thought.Cyclefree said:
Off Topic: Is the picture in your avatar your dog?antifrank said:Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.
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Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah.Pulpstar said:
Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.
And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan0 -
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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And they know that electing Farage will be King Headache for CON.Sean_F said:
That has to be correct, I think. Centre-right voters know they can vote UKIP, without risking a Labour win. And centre-left voters know that every seat that is lost by the Conservatives,, even to UKIP, reduces the chance of a Conservative-led government.isam said:
Massive over reaction to one favourable poll/crumb of comfort from the Tories finally being correctedSean_F said:http://politicalbookie.com/2015/02/16/ukip-now-favourites-in-seven-seats/?hootPostID=dd3f1f3b8b55b51190f7b1407f12f75f
UKIP now favourite in seven seats.
"The most recent move has been in Rochester, where Mark Reckless improved from joint to outright favourite today. The immediate betting reaction to their by-election win had been that the Tories were likely to take it back in May – that’s no longer the case."0 -
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I know.___Bobajob___ said:
Twas a joke (at least I assume it isn't true!)GIN1138 said: 0 -
Did Ed Balls actually say that everyone who pays cash should get a receipt, or that he personally has to get them?
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Fair enough Charles.Charles said:
I've done a lot of Board level work with Scandi companies where there are elected employee representative directors. In the main, they have been valuable additions to the discussions, with different perspectives and non-political. I would be very resistant to unions getting to appoint directors, because I think they would be political, but most employees are pretty sensibleIndigo said:PoliticsHome @politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees
Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.
Interesting policy idea from Ed.0 -
Piss poor planning by Miliband, shows how poor his team are, set speech on business, interrupted by lights, machinery moving parts.compouter2 said:
Scything.dr_spyn said:POEDWAS.
CCHQ Press Office @CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
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Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.
Early days yet obviously.0 -
How many jobs will be lost Ben?BenM said:
Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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The more distractions the better, if you're presenting Labour's proposals.dr_spyn said:
Piss poor planning by Miliband, shows how poor his team are, set speech on business, interrupted by lights, machinery moving parts.compouter2 said:
Scything.dr_spyn said:POEDWAS.
CCHQ Press Office @CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
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Lowest in the G7? What about all our EU competitors?!Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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Well raising corp tax certainly would be anti-business, and would hit SMEs far more than multi-nats who can move cash around.BenM said:
Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
Why on earth would you want to give other countries even more of a competitive advantage over us ?0 -
Another day, another disaster
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I read somewhere over the weekend, two of the seats Labour are really worried about UKIP are Grimsby and Rother Valley.Pulpstar said:No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.
Early days yet obviously.0 -
Who cares, the unemployed seem to favour Labour.TheWatcher said:
How many jobs will be lost Ben?BenM said:
Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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Only 96,000 according to CPSTheWatcher said:How many jobs will be lost Ben?
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None. Lowering the tax has done zilch for the UK record on investment.TheWatcher said:
How many jobs will be lost Ben?BenM said:
Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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Enoch Lovin', EU hatin' Dan Hannan?Indigo said:
This one connected quite wellGIN1138 said:
I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...Pulpstar said:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0ktkr9s8I
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Rother Valley has the incumbent, Sir Kevin Barron - G Grimsby doesn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I read somewhere over the weekend, two of the seats Labour are really worried about UKIP are Grimsby and Rother Valley.Pulpstar said:No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.
Early days yet obviously.0 -
"The shadow chancellor said he always asked for a written record, even if it was just for £10 to cut a hedge, because it was the "right thing to do"
Interesting, but only when you miss out the part where he gave the context and reason why he does it.
Just as well taking things out of context is not smearing isn't it?
One paper does it, and the rest of the media can quote them as a source, and ignore the original statement.0 -
Yeah, I'm more confident about winning my Great Grimsby bet than I am of most bets.Pulpstar said:
Rother Valley has the incumbent, Sir Kevin Barron - G Grimsby doesn't.TheScreamingEagles said:
I read somewhere over the weekend, two of the seats Labour are really worried about UKIP are Grimsby and Rother Valley.Pulpstar said:No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.
Early days yet obviously.0 -
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9S6EtnGZcdr_spyn said:
The time is now,Indigo said:
This one connected quite wellGIN1138 said:
I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...Pulpstar said:
youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
you can go by car,
you can go by cow...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE
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Worthy sacrifices. They can all retrain as '5 a day co-ordinators' and Tax inspectors.Scott_P said:
Only 96,000 according to CPSTheWatcher said:How many jobs will be lost Ben?
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Anyway I'm proud to have tipped up G Grimsby at 16s and Rother Valley at 8s, have £16 on the former @ 16s (Paddy Power max bets etc) and engineered a no lose £100 risk free win (Unless the Tories win R Valley... which I'm ruling out...) on the latter. 0
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We both tipped Grimsby at 16/1Pulpstar said:Anyway I'm proud to have tipped up G Grimsby at 16s and Rother Valley at 8s
, have £16 on the former @ 16s (Paddy Power max bets etc) and engineered a no lose £100 risk free win (Unless the Tories win R Valley... which I'm ruling out...) on the latter. 0 -
F1: few days till Test 2: Test Harder (starts the 19th, I think). End of the third test (each being four days) is 1 March.
As always, the key is not the headline times. Mood music gives better guidance. Teams should be more honest about competitors than themselves. I'll be seeing what people make of the Renault, which is in danger of (possibly excepting the new Honda) being the weakest engine this year. Ricciardo's a great driver, but if he doesn't have the car he can't challenge for the title.0 -
Betfair is 6-1 in Rother Valley for UKIP btw, value still.0
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11/8 UKIP to win a seat off Labour...Pulpstar said:Anyway I'm proud to have tipped up G Grimsby at 16s and Rother Valley at 8s
, have £16 on the former @ 16s (Paddy Power max bets etc) and engineered a no lose £100 risk free win (Unless the Tories win R Valley... which I'm ruling out...) on the latter.
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/general-election-specials0 -
NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not lastIndigo said:
Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah.Pulpstar said:
Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.
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Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?0
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Is it on par with The Mansion Tax Riots? I think the PB Hodges peaked on here with that.___Bobajob___ said:Another day, another disaster
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Personally I don't think it's an unreasonable idea, but the listener response on Radio 5 this morning was entirely in opposition. It surprised me but I suppose when people say they want tax avoidance dealt with, or at least better record keeping to make it harder, they mean for other people not themselves.Scott_P said:One of their longer lasting policies...
@TimesNewsdesk: Labour backs off Balls’ call always to get receipts
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Out of 3?isam said:Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?
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Hannan is pretty much the only reason I am still in the Conservative Party, if he move to the kippers, as I suspect he will if there is any controversy about the 2017 referendum (assuming the Tories win) I will be next in the queue, probably followed by a fair chunk of the right half of the party.isam said:
Enoch Lovin', EU hatin' Dan Hannan?Indigo said:
This one connected quite wellGIN1138 said:
I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...Pulpstar said:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0ktkr9s8I
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Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)0
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They were favourites in Eastleigh ?Tissue_Price said:
Out of 3?isam said:Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?
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More simplistic arguments on the finances of the NHS.JonCisBack said:
NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not lastIndigo said:
Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah.Pulpstar said:
Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.
And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
This is not zero-sum - those costs will still exist whether inside or outside the public sphere.
So the question is where does the burden fall? Old age care is tremendously expensive and the costs are rising and even insurance based systems are groaning to support the cost.
The rich can support the rising premiums of course, which is why the Right quite likes the idea of shunting people onto insurance based schemes - conveniently forgetting that for most ordinary people that is locking them in to ever rising cost burdens scoffing more and more of their disposable income.0 -
Looking good for that Greens deposit betTissue_Price said:Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)
Lib Dem slight revival in England ?0 -
Officialy "un corker ish"Tissue_Price said:Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)
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No, favs in Clacton, Rochester and the Euros [eventually]. So 3/3, but that's hardly a significant sample size.Pulpstar said:
They were favourites in Eastleigh ?Tissue_Price said:
Out of 3?isam said:Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?
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Still waiting to hear your solution Ben, you wont get elected proposing 5% on the basic rate of income tax, so what do you propose, we are all ears.....BenM said:
More simplistic arguments on the finances of the NHS.JonCisBack said:
NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not lastIndigo said:
Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah.Pulpstar said:
Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.
And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
This is not zero-sum - those costs will still exist whether inside or outside the public sphere.
So the question is where does the burden fall? Old age care is tremendously expensive and the costs are rising and even insurance based systems are groaning to support the cost.
The rich can support the rising premiums of course, which is why the Right quite likes the idea of shunting people onto insurance based schemes - conveniently forgetting that for most ordinary people that is locking them in to ever rising cost burdens scoffing more and more of their disposable income.0 -
That's true, how long you think it will last? I don't suppose you want to bet, as you never do, butTGOHF said:
They haven't won a seat where the incumbent hasn't defected.isam said:Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?
What price UKIP to win a seat at the GE that they don't currently hold? You make the price0 -
3/3 winning favs then?Tissue_Price said:
Out of 3?isam said:Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?
I'll take the lack of straight answers as confo that UKIP have never been a beaten fav0 -
Oh, for the heady days when Cameron resigned over a horses funeral, and a man cried in Morrisons or something.compouter2 said:
Is it on par with The Mansion Tax Riots? I think the PB Hodges peaked on here with that.___Bobajob___ said:Another day, another disaster
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As part of the clampdown on tax evasion? That would be clever.BenM said:
Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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Something tells me it will be a bad day for Basil.Tissue_Price said:Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)
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I understand the Greens are going to have a candidate in every seat in England and Wales, the deposits having been crowdfunded.0
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Lib Dems 131 in the unweighted, that's the highest I can recall in ages.
Decent Scottish subsample for the Nats too. Good crossbreak in Midlands for Tories.0 -
Populus have gone from giving the Conservatives and Labour a high combined share, to no better than average, over the past few weeks. Linked to that, UKIP seem to be hitting 15% routinely with them, now, rather than 12% or so. Have they changed their weightings?
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Well it's worse than that. The tax avoidance schemes that Labour have been banging on about are entirely legal, cash in hand for jobs to evade VAT is not legal.glw said:
Personally I don't think it's an unreasonable idea, but the listener response on Radio 5 this morning was entirely in opposition. It surprised me but I suppose when people say they want tax avoidance dealt with, or at least better record keeping to make it harder, they mean for other people not themselves.Scott_P said:One of their longer lasting policies...
@TimesNewsdesk: Labour backs off Balls’ call always to get receipts
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Best news of the dayantifrank said:I understand the Greens are going to have a candidate in every seat in England and Wales, the deposits having been crowdfunded.
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Labour very close in SE to Conservative, moreso than Midlands - something tells me thats London.0
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Paging @CarlottaVance!Tissue_Price said:Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)
After a disastrous weekend for Labour exclusively in the rightwing press (copyright certain Tories on here), the Tories, er, flatline.
As they have for 4 years.0 -
Nothing much happening there (good for Lab) Next Please!Tissue_Price said:Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)
#megapollingmonday
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January is the crossover month, February is the pulling away month and March will be consistant majority winning lead month*TheWatcher said:
Oh, for the heady days when Cameron resigned over a horses funeral, and a man cried in Morrisons or something.compouter2 said:
Is it on par with The Mansion Tax Riots? I think the PB Hodges peaked on here with that.___Bobajob___ said:Another day, another disaster
#RedLightGate
*As copyrighted by the PB Hodges and some ratbag from The Scum, who tweeted that is what Tory HQ had planned would be happening.0 -
OK, so reading up on this, what they've done is to make the "Universal Credit" "live" in a bunch of job centres so they can publish the particular number you've quoted, but what's actually "live" only covers a narrow list of simple cases, with all kinds of exemptions. That way the computer system doesn't have to have been built yet, and you don't have to worry too much about people noticing chaos in the run-up to the election, because hardly anyone will be actually getting the thing in the first place.TGOHF said:
1 in 3 jobcentres will be using UC by the election - that is more than "a couple of pilots"edmundintokyo said:
There's nothing to repeal. It's still a couple of pilots and a bunch of future rollout targets. When it's only going to a bloke in Oldham called Dan you can do all the calculations manually.TGOHF said:IDS seems to have done a decent job - and is a decent man.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11414408/With-Universal-Credit-work-might-finally-pay.html
Testament is that Labour have determined that UC should not be repealed.
This will be why they're quoting the number for what proportion of job centres are supposed to be "using" it, rather than the proportion of claimants who have actually started getting it.0 -
I'm sure any lost jobs will be the "wrong sort of jobs" (ie low union membership) anyway....Ishmael_X said:
As part of the clampdown on tax evasion? That would be clever.BenM said:
Hope so. Raise it Ed.TheWatcher said:
I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.Scott_P said:@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p
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Lumping the risk on ordinary people isn't a solution.Indigo said:
Still waiting to hear your solution Ben, you wont get elected proposing 5% on the basic rate of income tax, so what do you propose, we are all ears.....BenM said:
More simplistic arguments on the finances of the NHS.JonCisBack said:
NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not lastIndigo said:
Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah.Pulpstar said:
Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.
And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
This is not zero-sum - those costs will still exist whether inside or outside the public sphere.
So the question is where does the burden fall? Old age care is tremendously expensive and the costs are rising and even insurance based systems are groaning to support the cost.
The rich can support the rising premiums of course, which is why the Right quite likes the idea of shunting people onto insurance based schemes - conveniently forgetting that for most ordinary people that is locking them in to ever rising cost burdens scoffing more and more of their disposable income.0
