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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Indigo said:

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    I hope they've broken out the METTHs. That would be fabulous.
    I think it's going to be a split between marginals and non marginals.
    He didn't say it was a "corker" - meh..
    The last "corker" wasn't a corker in any way - just a run of the mill MOE poll!
    So when it's not even a corker - it's even more "meh".

    We need a definition - I suggest any poll that has the gap between Lab/Con moving by +/- 5
    or a minor party adding or losing +/- 4 is a "corker". Happy to take soundings :dizzy:

    Otherwise "meh" !
    I would go along with that, I would say a "corker" requires a non-MoE move by at least one of the major parties.
    Lab +2, Con -2 might be in corking territory though - might it ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    antifrank said:

    Indigo said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees

    Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.

    I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.
    Bounce for PM :D
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Ishmael_X said:

    Bollocks. I mean, just bollocks, per me, nobody dissenting, no citation needed, unless the tradesman turns up in a van sign-written HUGE CASH DISCOUNTS SO I CAN DEFRAUD THE REVENUE INNIT.

    If you want to indulge in another frenzy of jurisprudence you might consider the point that, absent agreement to the contrary or a custom of the trade, nothing except cash is legal tender, and the tradesman is entitled to decline the offer of payment by any other means, and sue you for debt.

    Lomas establishes that an obligation under the civil law to render assistance to a principal will be no defence to a charge of aiding and abetting. No obligation under the civil law will be enforceable, on grounds of public policy, if it involves the commission of a criminal offence. You could not get specific performance against a merchant for the sale of a gun, even if you had paid, if the merchant knew you intended to murder your wife with it.
    In your other reply you said you needed knowledge rather than a suspicion that an offence would be committed. Absent the tradesmen being stupid enough to admit it in negotiations, if he just said "Cash only, £100", I don't see how the buyer, or anyone else could reasonably infer knowledge that he was proposing to commit and offence.

    As a matter of practicality I don't see how HMRC could demonstrate that any transaction had happened, much less that it was with intent to defraud since it takes place (usually) in a private residence with no witnesses and no paperwork.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    The internals of the IPSOS were the corking bit, Labour with a 2 (or 3 was it ?) % lead over the Conservatives whilst the SNP were on an impossible 6%.
  • Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Labour with a decent lead over the Conservatives. It would be William Hague Mk 4.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:

    @GuidoFawkes: 5 times @ChukaUmunna was asked if Labour would pay back cash from tax avoiding donor, 5 times he dodged the question: http://t.co/bvBQymlgtN

    But! but! but!

    The story has no traction!

    It is deceased!

    It is forgotten!

    It never happened!

    Just ask bobachildallowance........finger on the pulse about how there is 'nothing to see' in Scottish Labour.....

    Tories telling each other how awful Labour is makes them feel very good but does not help them to win the election.

    Labour telling each other how 'stories don't matter' when they continue to feature in the news and drive coverage off Labour's wished for topic makes them feel very good but does not help them to win the election.

    If tax avoidance is the dominant theme of the next couple of months Labour will be delighted. The story matters a lot, because it is a good one for Labour. What it is very unlikely to do is play well for the Tories. We shall see.

    I agree that it's not a good story for the Tories. I am less sure that it's that good for Labour. My impression is that both parties are up to their neck in getting funds from people/groups who are a world away from real life and who indulge in all sorts of accounting wheezes designed to reduce their tax as much as possible. Both are, more or less, as bad as each other.

    What we need to have - but won't get - is a hard limit on how much parties can spend, how much they can receive from any individual or entity (whether that be company, union, charity or whatever) in any one year (no more than £50K - increased every year only by inflation), full transparency of everything provided (money/loans/services in kind etc) and parties will need to learn to live within their means - just like the rest of us. Oh - and no state funding!

    If parties cannot raise money within such limits then they die. Too bad. They have no God-given right to exist if they cannot persuade people to support them.

    Yes, the answer is spending limits. Strict and inflexible.

    It negates the reason for vast sums of cash. You can only hoard it not spend it.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Labour with a decent lead over the Conservatives. It would be William Hague Mk 4.
    I think he's far more charismatic than Hague. Also he's not facing Tony Blair...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MichaelPDeacon: "Longer Term Economic Plan." This is like when Robbie Williams released a single called Strong so Gary Barlow released one called Stronger
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...

  • Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Indigo said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees

    Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.

    I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.
    Bounce for PM :D
    I love that caption.

    Though I have also been shown this one:

    http://wwwpinknewscouk.c.presscdn.com/images/2014/02/BBC-lesbian.png
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    antifrank said:

    Indigo said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees

    Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.

    I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.
    That was really my point. Its more ineffectual grandstanding legislation. We have seen far to much of that under the current government. I can't quite see how appoints a couple of fitters off the shop floor will change anything, partly because they wont have the business knowledge (and probably access to the relevant information) to know if the company is doing well or not, and more importantly because if they don't have the majority of votes their views will be sidelined and business will continue as before.

    In principle I am not wild about business owners (ie the people who are risking their capital) having people foisted on them by the government, and in effect telling them how to run their business.
  • antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Ha ha.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    Go to say #megapollingmonday is getting off to a rather slow start...
  • Six Nations: Pascal Pape cited for kneeing Heaslip in the back:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31487235
  • GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Yes, under the nom de plume Scott_P
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited February 2015
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Indigo said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees

    Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.

    I don't see any harm in this idea at all. I doubt it will have the effect on executive pay that Labour expects, mind.
    Bounce for PM :D
    I love that caption.

    Though I have also been shown this one:

    http://wwwpinknewscouk.c.presscdn.com/images/2014/02/BBC-lesbian.png
    http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--7wpdr45K--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/18x4xpa2korszjpg.jpg

    Particularly enjoyable is the way she has been stripped of her PhD.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Yes, under the nom de plume Scott_P
    PPOR

  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    GIN1138 said:

    Go to say #megapollingmonday is getting off to a rather slow start...

    I was thinking that myself. I checked on here early to see if it was just your standard PB Hodge Polling orgasm day or it was a full blown mega tissue event.
  • TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    I hope they've broken out the METTHs. That would be fabulous.
    I think it's going to be a split between marginals and non marginals.
    He didn't say it was a "corker" - meh..
    The last "corker" wasn't a corker in any way - just a run of the mill MOE poll!
    So when it's not even a corker - it's even more "meh".

    We need a definition - I suggest any poll that has the gap between Lab/Con moving by +/- 5
    or a minor party adding or losing +/- 4 is a "corker". Happy to take soundings :dizzy:

    Otherwise "meh" !
    Easy to define.

    Corker=outlier :)
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...

    This one connected quite well

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
  • Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    Nah.

    Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.

    And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Ishmael_X said:

    Bollocks. I mean, just bollocks, per me, nobody dissenting, no citation needed, unless the tradesman turns up in a van sign-written HUGE CASH DISCOUNTS SO I CAN DEFRAUD THE REVENUE INNIT.

    If you want to indulge in another frenzy of jurisprudence you might consider the point that, absent agreement to the contrary or a custom of the trade, nothing except cash is legal tender, and the tradesman is entitled to decline the offer of payment by any other means, and sue you for debt.

    Lomas establishes that an obligation under the civil law to render assistance to a principal will be no defence to a charge of aiding and abetting. No obligation under the civil law will be enforceable, on grounds of public policy, if it involves the commission of a criminal offence. You could not get specific performance against a merchant for the sale of a gun, even if you had paid, if the merchant knew you intended to murder your wife with it.
    Your point would be wrong anyway because it equates the obligation to pay a debt with the obligation to surrender a bailment. It would create an absolute nightmare in the world of real law as practised by real lawyers (which I am, or rather have been) if it were a defence to a claim for debt that the creditor might not intend to disclose the transaction to the Revenue. On top of that it is just plain wrong: Lomas says EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you think it says: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZqqayIgzB0QC&pg=PR30&lpg=PR30&dq=R+v+Lomas&source=bl&ots=7Z1Fk_NSrr&sig=75dYHRBlCBucNed_tllWrvoGaEI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sdrhVLjxMsLwaqb7gaAI&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q= Lomas&f=false

    note on p.333: conviction quashed on appeal.
  • antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Labour with a decent lead over the Conservatives. It would be William Hague Mk 4.
    I don't even think he'd have UKIP that low. If he was Conservative leader he'd be operating under the same constraints as David Cameron.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    I hope they've broken out the METTHs. That would be fabulous.
    I think it's going to be a split between marginals and non marginals.
    He didn't say it was a "corker" - meh..
    The last "corker" wasn't a corker in any way - just a run of the mill MOE poll!
    So when it's not even a corker - it's even more "meh".

    We need a definition - I suggest any poll that has the gap between Lab/Con moving by +/- 5
    or a minor party adding or losing +/- 4 is a "corker". Happy to take soundings :dizzy:

    Otherwise "meh" !
    Easy to define.

    Corker=outlier :)
    The headline numbers of the Mori aren't the corker bit, the internals are.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sean_F said:
    Massive over reaction to one favourable poll/crumb of comfort from the Tories finally being corrected

    "The most recent move has been in Rochester, where Mark Reckless improved from joint to outright favourite today. The immediate betting reaction to their by-election win had been that the Tories were likely to take it back in May – that’s no longer the case."

  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Yes, under the nom de plume Scott_P
    PPOR

    Twas a joke (at least I assume it isn't true!)
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    POEDWAS.

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
    How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
    0 replies 3 retweets 1 favorite
    Reply Retweeted3 Favorite1
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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680

    philiph said:

    If you have a qoute for £xxx.xx and pay in cash £xxx.xx - 20% how will that change your position?

    The inference that any jury would draw from that is an intent to assist in the defrauding of the Crown of value added tax. If the tradesman evades his liability to value added tax, you would be liable as a secondary party for cheating the public revenue, contrary to common law. In addition, you be liable as a principal for being knowingly concerned in the fraudulent evasion of value added tax by the tradesman, contrary to VATA 1994, s. 72(1).
    If I was on that jury, I wouldn't draw that inference.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Off Topic: Is the picture in your avatar your dog?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Hmm maybe I'm viewing Hannan through my own specs here, I'd have no problem voting for him whereas I'm struggling with Dave. If Boris is Con leader then they have a 0% chance of getting my vote. But I know he's quite popular...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    One of their longer lasting policies...

    @TimesNewsdesk: Labour backs off Balls’ call always to get receipts
    http://t.co/WAD4GCe85z
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    dr_spyn said:

    POEDWAS.

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
    How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
    0 replies 3 retweets 1 favorite
    Reply Retweeted3 Favorite1
    More

    Scything.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Indigo said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees

    Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.

    I've done a lot of Board level work with Scandi companies where there are elected employee representative directors. In the main, they have been valuable additions to the discussions, with different perspectives and non-political. I would be very resistant to unions getting to appoint directors, because I think they would be political, but most employees are pretty sensible
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    isam said:

    Sean_F said:
    Massive over reaction to one favourable poll/crumb of comfort from the Tories finally being corrected

    "The most recent move has been in Rochester, where Mark Reckless improved from joint to outright favourite today. The immediate betting reaction to their by-election win had been that the Tories were likely to take it back in May – that’s no longer the case."

    That has to be correct, I think. Centre-right voters know they can vote UKIP, without risking a Labour win. And centre-left voters know that every seat that is lost by the Conservatives,, even to UKIP, reduces the chance of a Conservative-led government.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Yes, under the nom de plume Scott_P
    PPOR

    Twas a joke (at least I assume it isn't true!)
    I know. :D

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...

    This one connected quite well

    youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
    The time is now,
    you can go by car,
    you can go by cow...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE
  • Cyclefree said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Off Topic: Is the picture in your avatar your dog?

    No, I just like the BBC caption that goes with it. I flit from avatar to avatar without giving any of them too much thought.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    Nah.

    Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.

    And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
    Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited February 2015
    Sean_F said:

    isam said:

    Sean_F said:
    Massive over reaction to one favourable poll/crumb of comfort from the Tories finally being corrected

    "The most recent move has been in Rochester, where Mark Reckless improved from joint to outright favourite today. The immediate betting reaction to their by-election win had been that the Tories were likely to take it back in May – that’s no longer the case."

    That has to be correct, I think. Centre-right voters know they can vote UKIP, without risking a Labour win. And centre-left voters know that every seat that is lost by the Conservatives,, even to UKIP, reduces the chance of a Conservative-led government.
    And they know that electing Farage will be King Headache for CON.
  • GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Yes, under the nom de plume Scott_P
    PPOR

    Twas a joke (at least I assume it isn't true!)
    I know. :D

    :)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    Did Ed Balls actually say that everyone who pays cash should get a receipt, or that he personally has to get them?
    (I may have missed a clarification of what was actually said by him)
  • Charles said:

    Indigo said:

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 5m5 minutes ago
    Ed Miliband says Labour "will ensure executive pay is connected to performance" by putting employees on remuneration committees

    Not sure how the first part is ensured by the second part, but I am sure it sounds good in the papers.

    I've done a lot of Board level work with Scandi companies where there are elected employee representative directors. In the main, they have been valuable additions to the discussions, with different perspectives and non-political. I would be very resistant to unions getting to appoint directors, because I think they would be political, but most employees are pretty sensible
    Fair enough Charles.

    Interesting policy idea from Ed.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300

    dr_spyn said:

    POEDWAS.

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
    How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
    0 replies 3 retweets 1 favorite
    Reply Retweeted3 Favorite1
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    Scything.
    Piss poor planning by Miliband, shows how poor his team are, set speech on business, interrupted by lights, machinery moving parts.

    Would you want your message ruined by interruptions?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited February 2015
    No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.

    Early days yet obviously.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    BenM said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
    How many jobs will be lost Ben?
  • dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    POEDWAS.

    CCHQ Press Office ‏@CCHQPress 2m2 minutes ago
    How apt - @Ed_Miliband gives speech at successful business & red warning lights start going off - Britain can't afford another Labour govt
    0 replies 3 retweets 1 favorite
    Reply Retweeted3 Favorite1
    More

    Scything.
    Piss poor planning by Miliband, shows how poor his team are, set speech on business, interrupted by lights, machinery moving parts.

    Would you want your message ruined by interruptions?
    The more distractions the better, if you're presenting Labour's proposals.
  • Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    Lowest in the G7? What about all our EU competitors?!

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    BenM said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
    Well raising corp tax certainly would be anti-business, and would hit SMEs far more than multi-nats who can move cash around.

    Why on earth would you want to give other countries even more of a competitive advantage over us ?
  • Another day, another disaster

    #RedLightGate
  • Pulpstar said:

    No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.

    Early days yet obviously.

    I read somewhere over the weekend, two of the seats Labour are really worried about UKIP are Grimsby and Rother Valley.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    BenM said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
    How many jobs will be lost Ben?
    Who cares, the unemployed seem to favour Labour.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    How many jobs will be lost Ben?

    Only 96,000 according to CPS
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    BenM said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
    How many jobs will be lost Ben?
    None. Lowering the tax has done zilch for the UK record on investment.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015
    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...

    This one connected quite well

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
    Enoch Lovin', EU hatin' Dan Hannan?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0ktkr9s8I

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.

    Early days yet obviously.

    I read somewhere over the weekend, two of the seats Labour are really worried about UKIP are Grimsby and Rother Valley.
    Rother Valley has the incumbent, Sir Kevin Barron - G Grimsby doesn't.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    "The shadow chancellor said he always asked for a written record, even if it was just for £10 to cut a hedge, because it was the "right thing to do"
    Interesting, but only when you miss out the part where he gave the context and reason why he does it.
    Just as well taking things out of context is not smearing isn't it?
    One paper does it, and the rest of the media can quote them as a source, and ignore the original statement.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    dr_spyn said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...

    This one connected quite well

    youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
    The time is now,
    you can go by car,
    you can go by cow...

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1E3OFbCpqE
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9S6EtnGZc

    Clearly a xenophobic little Englander :rolleyes:
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    No sign of any election activity in Wales or Kiveton btw (Two Rother valley wards), no posters for either Labour or UKIP up as I cycled through it Sunday.

    Early days yet obviously.

    I read somewhere over the weekend, two of the seats Labour are really worried about UKIP are Grimsby and Rother Valley.
    Rother Valley has the incumbent, Sir Kevin Barron - G Grimsby doesn't.
    Yeah, I'm more confident about winning my Great Grimsby bet than I am of most bets.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    Scott_P said:

    How many jobs will be lost Ben?

    Only 96,000 according to CPS
    Worthy sacrifices. They can all retrain as '5 a day co-ordinators' and Tax inspectors.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited February 2015
    Anyway I'm proud to have tipped up G Grimsby at 16s and Rother Valley at 8s :), have £16 on the former @ 16s (Paddy Power max bets etc) and engineered a no lose £100 risk free win (Unless the Tories win R Valley... which I'm ruling out...) on the latter. :)
  • Pulpstar said:

    Anyway I'm proud to have tipped up G Grimsby at 16s and Rother Valley at 8s :), have £16 on the former @ 16s (Paddy Power max bets etc) and engineered a no lose £100 risk free win (Unless the Tories win R Valley... which I'm ruling out...) on the latter. :)

    We both tipped Grimsby at 16/1
  • F1: few days till Test 2: Test Harder (starts the 19th, I think). End of the third test (each being four days) is 1 March.

    As always, the key is not the headline times. Mood music gives better guidance. Teams should be more honest about competitors than themselves. I'll be seeing what people make of the Renault, which is in danger of (possibly excepting the new Honda) being the weakest engine this year. Ricciardo's a great driver, but if he doesn't have the car he can't challenge for the title.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Betfair is 6-1 in Rother Valley for UKIP btw, value still.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyway I'm proud to have tipped up G Grimsby at 16s and Rother Valley at 8s :), have £16 on the former @ 16s (Paddy Power max bets etc) and engineered a no lose £100 risk free win (Unless the Tories win R Valley... which I'm ruling out...) on the latter. :)

    11/8 UKIP to win a seat off Labour...

    http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/general-election-specials
  • Indigo said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    Nah.

    Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.

    And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
    Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.
    NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not last
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Another day, another disaster

    #RedLightGate

    Is it on par with The Mansion Tax Riots? I think the PB Hodges peaked on here with that.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,955
    Scott_P said:

    One of their longer lasting policies...

    @TimesNewsdesk: Labour backs off Balls’ call always to get receipts
    http://t.co/WAD4GCe85z

    Personally I don't think it's an unreasonable idea, but the listener response on Radio 5 this morning was entirely in opposition. It surprised me but I suppose when people say they want tax avoidance dealt with, or at least better record keeping to make it harder, they mean for other people not themselves.
  • isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    Out of 3?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    No... but GEs are historically tougher for minor parties than BEs.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    isam said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    I'm not sure Dan would be able to connect with "floaters" that well. People might find him a bit too cerebral...

    This one connected quite well

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
    Enoch Lovin', EU hatin' Dan Hannan?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx0ktkr9s8I

    Hannan is pretty much the only reason I am still in the Conservative Party, if he move to the kippers, as I suspect he will if there is any controversy about the 2017 referendum (assuming the Tories win) I will be next in the queue, probably followed by a fair chunk of the right half of the party.
  • Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    Out of 3?
    They were favourites in Eastleigh ?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Indigo said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    Nah.

    Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.

    And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
    Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.
    NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not last
    More simplistic arguments on the finances of the NHS.

    This is not zero-sum - those costs will still exist whether inside or outside the public sphere.

    So the question is where does the burden fall? Old age care is tremendously expensive and the costs are rising and even insurance based systems are groaning to support the cost.

    The rich can support the rising premiums of course, which is why the Right quite likes the idea of shunting people onto insurance based schemes - conveniently forgetting that for most ordinary people that is locking them in to ever rising cost burdens scoffing more and more of their disposable income.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    edited February 2015

    Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)

    Looking good for that Greens deposit bet :)

    Lib Dem slight revival in England ?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    They haven't won a seat where the incumbent hasn't defected.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)

    Officialy "un corker ish"

  • Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    Out of 3?
    They were favourites in Eastleigh ?
    No, favs in Clacton, Rochester and the Euros [eventually]. So 3/3, but that's hardly a significant sample size.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    BenM said:

    Indigo said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    Nah.

    Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.

    And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
    Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.
    NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not last
    More simplistic arguments on the finances of the NHS.

    This is not zero-sum - those costs will still exist whether inside or outside the public sphere.

    So the question is where does the burden fall? Old age care is tremendously expensive and the costs are rising and even insurance based systems are groaning to support the cost.

    The rich can support the rising premiums of course, which is why the Right quite likes the idea of shunting people onto insurance based schemes - conveniently forgetting that for most ordinary people that is locking them in to ever rising cost burdens scoffing more and more of their disposable income.
    Still waiting to hear your solution Ben, you wont get elected proposing 5% on the basic rate of income tax, so what do you propose, we are all ears.....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    They haven't won a seat where the incumbent hasn't defected.
    That's true, how long you think it will last? I don't suppose you want to bet, as you never do, but

    What price UKIP to win a seat at the GE that they don't currently hold? You make the price
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    isam said:

    Have UKIP ever lost a seat/election which they were favourites to win?

    Out of 3?
    3/3 winning favs then?

    I'll take the lack of straight answers as confo that UKIP have never been a beaten fav
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Another day, another disaster

    #RedLightGate

    Is it on par with The Mansion Tax Riots? I think the PB Hodges peaked on here with that.
    Oh, for the heady days when Cameron resigned over a horses funeral, and a man cried in Morrisons or something.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    BenM said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
    As part of the clampdown on tax evasion? That would be clever.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)

    Something tells me it will be a bad day for Basil.
  • I understand the Greens are going to have a candidate in every seat in England and Wales, the deposits having been crowdfunded.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Lib Dems 131 in the unweighted, that's the highest I can recall in ages.

    Decent Scottish subsample for the Nats too. Good crossbreak in Midlands for Tories.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    antifrank said:

    I understand the Greens are going to have a candidate in every seat in England and Wales, the deposits having been crowdfunded.

    :) Great news.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Populus have gone from giving the Conservatives and Labour a high combined share, to no better than average, over the past few weeks. Linked to that, UKIP seem to be hitting 15% routinely with them, now, rather than 12% or so. Have they changed their weightings?



  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    glw said:

    Scott_P said:

    One of their longer lasting policies...

    @TimesNewsdesk: Labour backs off Balls’ call always to get receipts
    http://t.co/WAD4GCe85z

    Personally I don't think it's an unreasonable idea, but the listener response on Radio 5 this morning was entirely in opposition. It surprised me but I suppose when people say they want tax avoidance dealt with, or at least better record keeping to make it harder, they mean for other people not themselves.
    Well it's worse than that. The tax avoidance schemes that Labour have been banging on about are entirely legal, cash in hand for jobs to evade VAT is not legal.
  • antifrank said:

    I understand the Greens are going to have a candidate in every seat in England and Wales, the deposits having been crowdfunded.

    Best news of the day
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Labour very close in SE to Conservative, moreso than Midlands - something tells me thats London.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)

    Paging @CarlottaVance!

    After a disastrous weekend for Labour exclusively in the rightwing press (copyright certain Tories on here), the Tories, er, flatline.

    As they have for 4 years.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    Populus: CON 31 (=) LAB 33 (-1) LIB 10 (+1) UKIP 15 (+1) GRN 5 (-1)

    Nothing much happening there (good for Lab) Next Please!

    #megapollingmonday
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Another day, another disaster

    #RedLightGate

    Is it on par with The Mansion Tax Riots? I think the PB Hodges peaked on here with that.
    Oh, for the heady days when Cameron resigned over a horses funeral, and a man cried in Morrisons or something.
    January is the crossover month, February is the pulling away month and March will be consistant majority winning lead month*

    *As copyrighted by the PB Hodges and some ratbag from The Scum, who tweeted that is what Tory HQ had planned would be happening.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited February 2015
    TGOHF said:

    TGOHF said:

    IDS seems to have done a decent job - and is a decent man.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11414408/With-Universal-Credit-work-might-finally-pay.html

    Testament is that Labour have determined that UC should not be repealed.

    There's nothing to repeal. It's still a couple of pilots and a bunch of future rollout targets. When it's only going to a bloke in Oldham called Dan you can do all the calculations manually.

    1 in 3 jobcentres will be using UC by the election - that is more than "a couple of pilots"


    OK, so reading up on this, what they've done is to make the "Universal Credit" "live" in a bunch of job centres so they can publish the particular number you've quoted, but what's actually "live" only covers a narrow list of simple cases, with all kinds of exemptions. That way the computer system doesn't have to have been built yet, and you don't have to worry too much about people noticing chaos in the run-up to the election, because hardly anyone will be actually getting the thing in the first place.

    This will be why they're quoting the number for what proportion of job centres are supposed to be "using" it, rather than the proportion of claimants who have actually started getting it.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ishmael_X said:

    BenM said:

    Scott_P said:

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband repeats promise of "keeping corporation tax the lowest in the G7" - this does allow some wriggle room - could raise by 5p

    I think we can safely assume that's the plan then.
    Hope so. Raise it Ed.
    As part of the clampdown on tax evasion? That would be clever.
    I'm sure any lost jobs will be the "wrong sort of jobs" (ie low union membership) anyway....
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Indigo said:

    BenM said:

    Indigo said:

    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Indigo said:

    GIN1138 said:

    antifrank said:

    Why would you follow Dan Hodges in the first place? You can read his every thought in real time on pb.

    Has Dan The Man ever posted here?
    Oh, that Dan The Man, I thought you meant the Member of the European Parliament for South East England.
    Him to? I'm not fussed which Dan The Man! :D

    If Dan Hannan was Conservative leader I reckon UKIP would be ~ 7% and Conservatives with a decent lead over Labour.
    Nah.

    Labour would use Dan's comments about the NHS 24/7 and Lab would have a significant lead.

    And I speak as someone who is a fan of Mr Hannan
    Hannan happens to be right about the NHS, its just that the public are not ready to hear it. The NHS needs another £30bn in the next five years, just to stand still, that's the equivalent of 5% on the basic rate on income tax, no government cant propose that an get elected, no voter would believe all that 5% would go to the NHS for one thing.
    NHS needs a Nixon to China moment. A Labour government is going to have to reform it. We're living too long in an era of astonishingly impressive but astonishingly expensive medicine. NHS as it is today surely cannot and will not last
    More simplistic arguments on the finances of the NHS.

    This is not zero-sum - those costs will still exist whether inside or outside the public sphere.

    So the question is where does the burden fall? Old age care is tremendously expensive and the costs are rising and even insurance based systems are groaning to support the cost.

    The rich can support the rising premiums of course, which is why the Right quite likes the idea of shunting people onto insurance based schemes - conveniently forgetting that for most ordinary people that is locking them in to ever rising cost burdens scoffing more and more of their disposable income.
    Still waiting to hear your solution Ben, you wont get elected proposing 5% on the basic rate of income tax, so what do you propose, we are all ears.....
    Lumping the risk on ordinary people isn't a solution.
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