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For those in peril on the sea – politicalbetting.com

On average, over 60 large ships are lost at sea every year (although 2024 was thankfully low at 27). Startlingly, the number of deaths at sea per year is unknown, but strandings (at sea or in port) of sailors numbers in the thousands. We generally do not hear about such events unless they directly affect us. Compare this with air travel, where the loss of an air freighter can make world news.

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,406
    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Will come off one in twenty innings, but when he does it will be huge and everyone will how great a player he is again...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,737
    Rules need enforcement. One of the reasons the Dutch, and later the British, thought it so important to have a strong Navy, was to protect their maritime trade. Britain needs a navy capable of defending its trade (and also North Sea wind turbines).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    Rules need enforcement. One of the reasons the Dutch, and later the British, thought it so important to have a strong Navy, was to protect their maritime trade. Britain needs a navy capable of defending its trade (and also North Sea wind turbines).

    Undersea cables too.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,406
    A British man has been charged under cyber-crime laws in Dubai after allegedly filming Iranian missiles over the city.

    The tourist was detained under a law in the United Arab Emirates that prohibits publishing or sharing material that could disturb public security, according to Detained in Dubai, an organisation that provides legal assistance to individuals in the UAE.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c743g4yn4k8o
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,521
    "Iran's new Supreme Leader says attacks on Gulf neighbours will continue in first statement"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-03-12/oil-price-top-100-a-barrel-again-as-iran-steps-up-attacks-on-energy-facilities
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,393
    edited 2:55PM


    Gregory Brew
    @gbrew24
    ·
    1h
    This war is now about the status of the Strait of Hormuz. Full stop.

    https://x.com/gbrew24/status/2032062494936649887

    In WW2 we ran convoys across the Atlantic in the face of Hitler's wolfpacks. I'm sure the world has the ability to run the Hormuz gauntlet. Sad its come to this. I despise the Iranian regime but are we really helping the people of Iran to be doing what is happening at the moment?
    It's extremely difficult to get shipping through the strait in the face of hostile fire, given how narrow it is. The Atlantic convoys are not relevant, a better comparison would be the convoys to Malta. Those took horrendous losses.
    And Murmansk?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,433
    🏇🏻 Doo has an AMAZING personality.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573
    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,393

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Reform on the slide, even with Find Outliers Now!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Reform on the slide, even with Find Outliers Now!
    The direct Reform Lib Dem switch is ON BABY
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
    Most traditional cricket fans don't like the hundred, but then it was never for them. I'd find it more palatable if they added 20 balls per innings and dropped the stupid PC game graphics...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,393

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.
    1982?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,057

    https://x.com/JasonGroves1/status/2032075935252447484

    No 10 says ministers were right to give Peter Mandelson a £75k payoff after he was sacked in disgrace - but also that he should give it back

    Would those against the payout prefer we paid him £250k and lawyers another £500k after a court battle?
    Sir Keir said he lied during the vetting.

    Lying on a job application or during vetting is Gross Misconduct and grounds for termination without compensation.

    If he did not do that, then Sir Keir has lied.

    Either he should have been fired, with cause, without notice, or the PM should be resigning.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,192

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Reform on the slide, even with Find Outliers Now!
    The direct Reform Lib Dem switch is ON BABY
    Ed Davey saw his opportunity when the woke went too far by taking Churchill off our banknotes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Reform on the slide, even with Find Outliers Now!
    The direct Reform Lib Dem switch is ON BABY
    Ed Davey saw his opportunity when the woke went too far by taking Churchill off our banknotes.
    Lee Anderson seen hanging about Daisy Coopers office with flowers and a cv
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
    Most traditional cricket fans don't like the hundred, but then it was never for them. I'd find it more palatable if they added 20 balls per innings and dropped the stupid PC game graphics...
    I used to spend many a summer's day at New Road.

    120 balls? It wouldn't be the hundred then.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,948
    edited 3:03PM
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    People of PB, please attend carefully...

    Draft 15 of the trans article has been up backstage since 4am 10Mar2026. Of the people currently cleared to see it (rcs1000, DavidL, fitalass, Cyclefree, TSE, Nigelb, kyf_100, turbotubbs) none have suggested further changes and I am in my weekday digs so are limited in what I can do anyway. So Draft 15 is going to be the prepublish version released to the prereaders.

    If anybody wants to preread the article before it is released to the mods please let me know by liking this comment before 9pm 12Mar2026 and I'll add you to the backstage.

    I'm not looking for an argument and kyf_100 and Cyclefree have added extensive well-argued arguments in both directions as discussants, so change/comment requests in either direction will probably be ignored. Given the very tight word count, additions will additionally be ignored. But if you spot errors, misnumbered sources, typos, bad punctuation, etc, please tell me and I'll change it/collapse screaming/politely note your point in the article.

    I have had interest from Nigelb, kyf_100 (who can already see it) and I think @Andy_JS and Kinabalu want to be pre-readers (can you confirm this please?)
    Please add me ?
    Taz has been added to the backstage subgroup. Draft 15 is the one at the bottom. Go to "vf.politicalbetting.com" and click on the envelope on the top right.

    @Andy_JS can you confirm if you want to be a pre-reader? If you do I will add you as well.
    @Andy_JS, I note that you liked my post that said "If anybody wants to preread the article...please let me know by liking this comment", so I'll take that as confirmation.

    Consequently @Andy_JS has been added to the backstage subgroup. Draft 15 is the one at the bottom. Go to "vf.politicalbetting.com" and click on the envelope on the top right.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,192
    edited 3:06PM
    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2032085852654829895

    New: No 10 has denied Starmer misled MPs by claiming in September "full due process was followed" during Mandelson's appointment.

    The PM's spokesman said today: "The full process that was in place at the time was followed."

    No 10 also say they didn't bend the rules to speed up Mandelson's appointment.

    Starmer's spokesman said: "There is a provision within departmental arrangements with UK Security Vetting to request a number of priority clearances each year. So that cases can be moved up the queue and completed earlier than others."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,440

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    There’s a minority thing in Argentina of constructing elaborate hatred of the U.K. over the Falklands war.

    See the bizarre stuff about an aircraft carrier really being sunk and secretly replaced. Also that the more recent sinking of an Argentine submarine was actually a dastardly attack by a British warship.

    Most Argentines regard this as a bit weird.

    Source - Argentine relative-by-marriage, who is in their military.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Well, they were being provocative twats...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646
    Brent back over $100.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,042

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
    Most traditional cricket fans don't like the hundred, but then it was never for them. I'd find it more palatable if they added 20 balls per innings and dropped the stupid PC game graphics...
    I used to spend many a summer's day at New Road.

    120 balls? It wouldn't be the hundred then.
    I don't see what benefits the Hundred offers that the T20 Blast - which is a wonderful competition - does not.

    (Apart from the added prominence it has given to women's cricket).
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,057

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
    Most traditional cricket fans don't like the hundred, but then it was never for them. I'd find it more palatable if they added 20 balls per innings and dropped the stupid PC game graphics...
    Or they could add 260 balls per innings and make it a proper One Day affair.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,433
    edited 3:12PM
    🏇🏻 coming at us fast. Next up Cowboys v Polynesians.

    I’m on Polynesian’s. Revenge is best served on a cold Thursday in Cheltenham drizzle.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,155
    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    * I was offshore UAE in 1989 when a nearby rig was hit by a missile. The previous year the US had attacked and destroyed two Iranian oil platforms though they did allow the civilians to take to the boats first.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Reform on the slide, even with Find Outliers Now!
    The direct Reform Lib Dem switch is ON BABY
    Ed Davey saw his opportunity when the woke went too far by taking Churchill off our banknotes.
    Lee Anderson seen hanging about Daisy Coopers office with flowers and a cv
    FoN? It could be a Reform voter has won the People's Postcode Lottery and upgraded to the LDs.

    Otherwise if I were Daisy I'd certainly refuse lunch or dinner with Anderson. Dining out for 30p would be a great disappointment. Much like a Reform Government.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,081
    tlg86 said:

    Thank you to @JosiasJessop for an excellent, if depressing, thread header.

    Iran's targeting of non combatant Gulf states in retaliation further emphasises the precarious nature of global stability.
    What was the world's policeman since WWII has now become a semi-rogue state itself.

    It's not at all clear how we climb back out of this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
    Most traditional cricket fans don't like the hundred, but then it was never for them. I'd find it more palatable if they added 20 balls per innings and dropped the stupid PC game graphics...
    Or they could add 260 balls per innings and make it a proper One Day affair.
    If you don't like it, don't watch it. Anyway haven't you got wars to monger?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,521

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    They ought to split the 7% Others into parties so we can see if Reform are losing support to Restore.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,821
    Trump: "The Iran National Soccer Team is welcome to The World Cup, but I really don’t believe it is appropriate that they be there, for their own life and safety. Thank you for your attention to this matter! President DONALD J. TRUMP"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    There’s a minority thing in Argentina of constructing elaborate hatred of the U.K. over the Falklands war.

    See the bizarre stuff about an aircraft carrier really being sunk and secretly replaced. Also that the more recent sinking of an Argentine submarine was actually a dastardly attack by a British warship.

    Most Argentines regard this as a bit weird.

    Source - Argentine relative-by-marriage, who is in their military.
    Loving the idea of us secretly replacing an aircraft carrier! Like we ever had that many spares hanging around...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,407
    edited 3:15PM
    Thanks, JJ, good to see you posting again. Yes, rules rule ok afaic. Hegseth’s public glorification of war without any is nauseating.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,081
    edited 3:16PM

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Civilian casualties should not be simply accepted, either. It's part and parcel of the same problem.

    The global effects of indiscriminate attacks on shipping just make the problem more urgent/ difficult to ignore. And I hope provide some motivation for states to address it.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,667
    edited 3:16PM
    FPT

    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.

    Trump might pivot to calling drivers of gas guzzlers pro-Mullah losers.
    He wouldn't be wrong. I've got a new sticker on my bicycle: "This machine fights all the worst people, and climate change".
    "Shame it's powered by a smug twat."
    By the wind this morning. I basically sailed in.

    (Not looking forward to the return journey...)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,433
    edited 3:18PM
    🏇🏻 BREAKING 🏇🏻 Fact to File spotted the Umbrella’s.

    The going hasn’t even changed… 🤷‍♀️
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,057

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573
    Andy_JS said:

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    They ought to split the 7% Others into parties so we can see if Reform are losing support to Restore.
    We already know FoN have been finding 7% for Restore when prompted (and 25% Reform)
    Focaldata found 2%

    Find out nows 'other' is consistently 4% higher than pre Rupert's annoucement, Reform are off by 4 to 5% from the turn of the year/Jan average

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,667
    edited 3:20PM
    Nigelb said:

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Civilian casualties should not be simply accepted, either. It's part and parcel of the same problem.

    The global effects of indiscriminate attacks on shipping just make the problem more urgent/ difficult to ignore. And I hope provide some motivation for states to address it.
    This is why international law is actually a good thing to try for. All fun and games until the freedom of navigation has been suspended, genocide tolerated, the Iranians are blowing up oil tankers, and thousands of orphans are preparing vengeance.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,440

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    There’s a minority thing in Argentina of constructing elaborate hatred of the U.K. over the Falklands war.

    See the bizarre stuff about an aircraft carrier really being sunk and secretly replaced. Also that the more recent sinking of an Argentine submarine was actually a dastardly attack by a British warship.

    Most Argentines regard this as a bit weird.

    Source - Argentine relative-by-marriage, who is in their military.
    Loving the idea of us secretly replacing an aircraft carrier! Like we ever had that many spares hanging around...
    I always like Nasser’s Big Lie during the 1967 war - that Israel’s attack was actually a U.K./US attack. Including 5 British aircraft carriers.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240

    Talking about uncessary wasteful pay outs...The Hundred...Sunrisers Leeds

    Zak Crawley, £180,000

    Some of us enjoy the hundred.

    For example £240,000 for Joe Root to Welsh Fire is better value than £75000 for Mandelson to Epstein Fury.
    Most traditional cricket fans don't like the hundred, but then it was never for them. I'd find it more palatable if they added 20 balls per innings and dropped the stupid PC game graphics...
    Or they could add 260 balls per innings and make it a proper One Day affair.
    If you don't like it, don't watch it. Anyway haven't you got wars to monger?
    The issue is not that I don't have to watch it (I don't) but the impact on (a) County Championship and (b) Test cricket. Both have been badly affected by prioritising the best of summer for the fecking hundred.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573
    Reforms average is coming down quite a bit now. The average is probably or just about closer now to YouGov and their low end than More in Common/Ipsos and their high end.
    YouGov only 3 points below Find Out Now
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,948
    edited 3:26PM
    This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0hxUT09huY ) is a f***ing awful interview by Tom McTague (New Statesman) of John Bew (professor of history at King’s College London). It's part of the New Statesman series. I was quite looking forward to it because I like Tom but I'm ten minutes in and I'm screaming at the b****y screen. So far Bew has said
    • This will upset his fellow academics (self-pitying and irrelevant)
    • He found it difficult considering Thatcher and left her out (irrelevant to his thesis at this stage: that should come later)
    • Various other gubbins about his life (I stopped listening at this point)
    He did not at any point say the basics, which were
    • He has written an essay
    • It has four parts
    • Each part discusses a great disruption to the UK
    • The first disruption is...
    ...and go from there.

    This is why the 60- or 30- or even 20-minute lecture format is better than the podcast format. Unstructured gobsh**e is not a good way to impart information. Bew might actually have a good point or a good essay but I'll never know because he just talked about himself for ten minutes. Aaargh!

    I shall now listen to Lewis Sorely's lecture on William Westmoreland: 60 minutes with no bullshit and my recalibration lecture. Every sentence is informative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6LR-UJsYRc
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,192
    https://x.com/business/status/2032107118078083325

    The Trump administration plans to issue temporary waivers for a century-old maritime law requiring American-built ships be used to transport goods between US ports as part of its effort stop surging oil prices
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Or watched the 1978 World Cup.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240
    dixiedean said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Or watched the 1978 World Cup.
    No one from England then...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,948

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Blockades are (or were?) illegal. It's why the 1963 Cuban blockade was called a "quarantine". Apologies if somebody has already pointed this out.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646

    https://x.com/business/status/2032107118078083325

    The Trump administration plans to issue temporary waivers for a century-old maritime law requiring American-built ships be used to transport goods between US ports as part of its effort stop surging oil prices

    If only they could think of some other ways.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Greens holding up surprisingluy well.

    Let's see if that is maintained.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,155
    viewcode said:

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Blockades are (or were?) illegal. It's why the 1963 Cuban blockade was called a "quarantine". Apologies if somebody has already pointed this out.
    And yet every country in a war has used them extensively to greater or lesser effect. And even not in war. The US is currently blockading Cuba and no one seems to be greatly exercised about it except the Cubans.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Greens holding up surprisingluy well.

    Let's see if that is maintained.
    Only with FoN though.
    YouGov have them dropping back on 19 and everyone else has them 15 or below
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,155
    Nigelb said:

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Civilian casualties should not be simply accepted, either. It's part and parcel of the same problem.

    The global effects of indiscriminate attacks on shipping just make the problem more urgent/ difficult to ignore. And I hope provide some motivation for states to address it.
    I agree. But as long as the US continues to attack civilian vessels at sea with seeming impunity I don't see much push to enforce the rules any time soon.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,260
    edited 3:38PM

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Greens holding up surprisingluy well.

    Let's see if that is maintained.
    Notwithstanding their strange methodology conducting a poll over a single day is normally frowned upon in polling circles .

    You often have to do a lot of extra weighting as you’ll often end up with too many respondents in a particular demographic. Also the news cycle on that day can have a great impact on the results.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Greens holding up surprisingluy well.

    Let's see if that is maintained.
    Only with FoN though.
    YouGov have them dropping back on 19 and everyone else has them 15 or below
    I had expected some significant fallback, but no.

    Still, the idea of the Greens only 5 points behind Reform would have sounded bonkers just 6 months ago.

    And may yet sound bonkers in 6 months time.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    Nigelb said:

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Civilian casualties should not be simply accepted, either. It's part and parcel of the same problem.

    The global effects of indiscriminate attacks on shipping just make the problem more urgent/ difficult to ignore. And I hope provide some motivation for states to address it.
    I agree. But as long as the US continues to attack civilian vessels at sea with seeming impunity I don't see much push to enforce the rules any time soon.
    The US excatly hasn't got a leg to stand on when it comes to outrage about indiscrimante attacks on vessels.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,440

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    It seems to be a thing associated with people who have no connection to the war. People in the Argentine military regard it as nonesense (so my relative says).

    Certainly the veterans groups and the families of those who fought there don’t seem to buy into it.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Greens holding up surprisingluy well.

    Let's see if that is maintained.
    Only with FoN though.
    YouGov have them dropping back on 19 and everyone else has them 15 or below
    I had expected some significant fallback, but no.

    Still, the idea of the Greens only 5 points behind Reform would have sounded bonkers just 6 months ago.

    And may yet sound bonkers in 6 months time.
    We live in uncertain times
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554
    Eabhal said:

    FPT

    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.

    Trump might pivot to calling drivers of gas guzzlers pro-Mullah losers.
    He wouldn't be wrong. I've got a new sticker on my bicycle: "This machine fights all the worst people, and climate change".
    "Shame it's powered by a smug twat."
    By the wind this morning. I basically sailed in.

    (Not looking forward to the return journey...)
    Not sure how tacking fits in with other road users!
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,657
    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,948

    viewcode said:

    Worth considering that blockade has always been a legitimate tactic in warfare. In medieval and earier times we called it siege warfare but it was used extensively by all sides in the wars of the 20th century as well. It has been argued that it was the blockade of Germany that won WW1 for the Entente forces.

    Having spent most of my life at sea* I agree that civilian sailors deserve better protection but in a world where civilian casualties including women and children seem to be accepted as necessary collateral damage, I am not sure what mileage there is in trying to get extra protection for seamen.

    Blockades are (or were?) illegal. It's why the 1963 Cuban blockade was called a "quarantine". Apologies if somebody has already pointed this out.
    And yet every country in a war has used them extensively to greater or lesser effect. And even not in war. The US is currently blockading Cuba and no one seems to be greatly exercised about it except the Cubans.
    Oh, true, but warfare has many rules, often overlooked, sometimes held to assiduously. One of the reasons why Putin called it a "SMO" not a "war" was to try to get his ships thru the Dardanelles/Bosporus (I forget which) legally. Dum-dum bullets and flamethrowers are illegal now, but you can still use white phosphorus. A rifle with explosive ammunition had to be cancelled because it violated the Saint Petersburg declaration. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE#Litigation
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,521

    Reforms average is coming down quite a bit now. The average is probably or just about closer now to YouGov and their low end than More in Common/Ipsos and their high end.
    YouGov only 3 points below Find Out Now

    I'd like to know if it's mostly coming down because of losing support to Rupert Lowe's party.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,521
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    People of PB, please attend carefully...

    Draft 15 of the trans article has been up backstage since 4am 10Mar2026. Of the people currently cleared to see it (rcs1000, DavidL, fitalass, Cyclefree, TSE, Nigelb, kyf_100, turbotubbs) none have suggested further changes and I am in my weekday digs so are limited in what I can do anyway. So Draft 15 is going to be the prepublish version released to the prereaders.

    If anybody wants to preread the article before it is released to the mods please let me know by liking this comment before 9pm 12Mar2026 and I'll add you to the backstage.

    I'm not looking for an argument and kyf_100 and Cyclefree have added extensive well-argued arguments in both directions as discussants, so change/comment requests in either direction will probably be ignored. Given the very tight word count, additions will additionally be ignored. But if you spot errors, misnumbered sources, typos, bad punctuation, etc, please tell me and I'll change it/collapse screaming/politely note your point in the article.

    I have had interest from Nigelb, kyf_100 (who can already see it) and I think @Andy_JS and Kinabalu want to be pre-readers (can you confirm this please?)
    Please add me ?
    Taz has been added to the backstage subgroup. Draft 15 is the one at the bottom. Go to "vf.politicalbetting.com" and click on the envelope on the top right.

    @Andy_JS can you confirm if you want to be a pre-reader? If you do I will add you as well.
    @Andy_JS, I note that you liked my post that said "If anybody wants to preread the article...please let me know by liking this comment", so I'll take that as confirmation.

    Consequently @Andy_JS has been added to the backstage subgroup. Draft 15 is the one at the bottom. Go to "vf.politicalbetting.com" and click on the envelope on the top right.
    Yes I would, thanks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554
    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


    Try getting on with fixing Broken Britain One Pothole at a Time, Nigel...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,806
    From the other PB, always knew Trevor Philips was a wrong ‘un

    Spotted on the Northern Line:

    Trevor Phillips, carrying two phones and, according to the spotter, “wearing terrible shoes”.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,268

    A British man has been charged under cyber-crime laws in Dubai after allegedly filming Iranian missiles over the city.

    The tourist was detained under a law in the United Arab Emirates that prohibits publishing or sharing material that could disturb public security, according to Detained in Dubai, an organisation that provides legal assistance to individuals in the UAE.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c743g4yn4k8o

    All those interminable Dubai push pieces in my LinkedIn feed now look positively sinister.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    Everyone's favourite time of week, Find Out Now 11/3

    Ref 26 (-1)
    Grn 21 (=)
    Con 17 (=)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 11 (+1)
    Oth 7 (=)
    SNP 3 (=)
    PC 1 (=)

    Greens holding up surprisingluy well.

    Let's see if that is maintained.
    Only with FoN though.
    YouGov have them dropping back on 19 and everyone else has them 15 or below
    I had expected some significant fallback, but no.

    Still, the idea of the Greens only 5 points behind Reform would have sounded bonkers just 6 months ago.

    And may yet sound bonkers in 6 months time.
    We live in uncertain times
    We certainly do...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,948

    ... the other PB...

    'splain, please?

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,260
    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


    I got one of those ghastly leaflets the other day. For a second I mistook the crowd waving their Reform banners with a load of white pointy hats !
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,554

    From the other PB, always knew Trevor Philips was a wrong ‘un

    Spotted on the Northern Line:

    Trevor Phillips, carrying two phones and, according to the spotter, “wearing terrible shoes”.

    Dolce on one foot....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,948
    Andy_JS said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    People of PB, please attend carefully...

    Draft 15 of the trans article has been up backstage since 4am 10Mar2026. Of the people currently cleared to see it (rcs1000, DavidL, fitalass, Cyclefree, TSE, Nigelb, kyf_100, turbotubbs) none have suggested further changes and I am in my weekday digs so are limited in what I can do anyway. So Draft 15 is going to be the prepublish version released to the prereaders.

    If anybody wants to preread the article before it is released to the mods please let me know by liking this comment before 9pm 12Mar2026 and I'll add you to the backstage.

    I'm not looking for an argument and kyf_100 and Cyclefree have added extensive well-argued arguments in both directions as discussants, so change/comment requests in either direction will probably be ignored. Given the very tight word count, additions will additionally be ignored. But if you spot errors, misnumbered sources, typos, bad punctuation, etc, please tell me and I'll change it/collapse screaming/politely note your point in the article.

    I have had interest from Nigelb, kyf_100 (who can already see it) and I think @Andy_JS and Kinabalu want to be pre-readers (can you confirm this please?)
    Please add me ?
    Taz has been added to the backstage subgroup. Draft 15 is the one at the bottom. Go to "vf.politicalbetting.com" and click on the envelope on the top right.

    @Andy_JS can you confirm if you want to be a pre-reader? If you do I will add you as well.
    @Andy_JS, I note that you liked my post that said "If anybody wants to preread the article...please let me know by liking this comment", so I'll take that as confirmation.

    Consequently @Andy_JS has been added to the backstage subgroup. Draft 15 is the one at the bottom. Go to "vf.politicalbetting.com" and click on the envelope on the top right.
    Yes I would, thanks.
    You've been added. Please tell me what you think.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,806
    viewcode said:

    ... the other PB...

    'splain, please?

    Popbitch.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,598
    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,573

    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz

    HMS READY NEXT YEAR will be ready next year
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz

    We could scramble some minesweepers in ooh, what, five weeks?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,598

    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz

    We could scramble some minesweepers in ooh, what, five weeks?
    As quick as that ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,539

    A British man has been charged under cyber-crime laws in Dubai after allegedly filming Iranian missiles over the city.

    The tourist was detained under a law in the United Arab Emirates that prohibits publishing or sharing material that could disturb public security, according to Detained in Dubai, an organisation that provides legal assistance to individuals in the UAE.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c743g4yn4k8o

    The treatment of foreign workers in Dubai is shocking. I did a job there for two weeks and as a visitor if you are prepared to spend your time thinking you're in Disneyland with your eyes closed you wouldn't know about any of it. However if you talk to anyone with any sensitivity you'd realise that is not the reality. Workers regularly die on building sites because of the temperatures. They literally fall off buildings. The living conditions of the workers -nearly all Indian and Pakistani- are shocking as are their contracts which makes them virtual prisoners,
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,587

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,433

    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


    Try getting on with fixing Broken Britain One Pothole at a Time, Nigel...
    DON’T mention the cost of those flags 🤫
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646

    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz

    Hopefully in the sense of
    "What about def..."
    "I've considered it thoroughly. No."
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,433

    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz

    We could scramble some minesweepers in ooh, what, five weeks?
    As quick as that ?
    The UK had some “autonomous systems” available in the Middle East that could be used to search for Iranian mines, though a mine-hunting vessel previously in the region, HMS Middleton, had returned to the UK for maintenance.

    The effective closure of the strait, partly by drone attacks on oil tankers and cargo vessels, has pushed the oil price to about $100 a barrel. The quickest way of ending the blockade would be through “a de-escalation of the conflict”, Healey said.

    He did not rule out the UK eventually participating in a possible convoy of merchant shipping through the waterway, but a formal proposal is not thought to be close while the US vacillates over the issue.

    Where did you get your “‘Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz” quote Big G? He’s clearly not saying that in anything I found. You got a link?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,704
    MattW said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
    Indeed they did

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020

    Healey - UK considering defending the Strait of Hormuz

    We could scramble some minesweepers in ooh, what, five weeks?
    As quick as that ?
    Don't worry, we won't need them. Presumably Trump will have got bored by the weekend, will declare the win and he can set off towards the next adventure, which I believe will be in the vicinity of Cuba.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,598
    MattW said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
    Lest we forget Bluff Cove

    RIP

    https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news/2021/june/08/20210608-sir-galahad
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646
    The Straits of Hormuz need defending because of the arrogance and ineptitude of Donald J Trump.
    So he can defend them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,240
    edited 4:22PM
    CatMan said:

    MattW said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
    Indeed they did

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Wladfa
    A huge part in the Aberystwyth Noir books, if I recall correctly. (Malcolm Pryce)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646
    MattW said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
    Isn't that partly why they play rugby?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,361
    Iran has allowed ships from some countries to cross Strait of Hormuz: Deputy FM
    More now from Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Majid Takht-Ravanchi, who has told the AFP News Agency that Iran has allowed ships from some countries to pass through the Strait of Hormuz.

    “Some countries have already talked to us about passing the strait, and we have cooperated with them,” he said during an interview in Tehran.

    “As far as Iran is concerned, we feel that those countries that joined the aggression should not benefit from safe passage through the Strait of Hormuz.”
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,335
    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


    I have just received one of those Reform invitations - but in Leeds. The campaign must have cost a fortune.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,806
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    MattW said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
    Fun fact that I learned thanks to Chris Patten, in China ‘tango dancer’ is a euphemism for a prostitute.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,020
    dixiedean said:

    MattW said:

    I've always said it was to the UK and Argentina's immense credit that they set up a Red Cross Box during the Falklands War.

    Both sides transferred wounded sailors/troops and supplies to ensure no lives were lost needlessly.

    Trump, Bibi, and the Iranians would consider that utter woke nonsense/a sign of weakness.

    I guess one of the issues is that in 1984 no-one in Britain hated the Argentinians. (And I don't think the Argentinians hated the Brits). So there was no real animosity.

    Not the same for the ME where you sense there is generational hatred. How it ends is unclear.
    Huh?

    Thirty five years on and the Argentinians wanted to lynch the BBC Top Gear trio.
    Thats after we had slaughtered there youth in the Falklands. No-one in the UK knew where Argentina was in 1982, let alone the Falklands.
    Anyone who had regularly played Risk would know where Argentina is.
    Tango dancers know where Argentina is.

    As do the Welsh, since they occupied a chunk of it.
    Isn't that partly why they play rugby?
    And to a far higher standard than the Welsh. I wonder if the WRU could sign up some Patagonians as domestic players?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,843
    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


    I would be asking for explicit examples of where Regorm have saved money wasted by previous councils
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,646
    slade said:

    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Interesting iconography. St Nigel the Saviour who will heal broken Britain. My OH wanted our names taken off the 'list' until I told her, its the Electoral Roll so no deal. As a staunch One-Nation Tory she may actually vote Conservative this time.


    I have just received one of those Reform invitations - but in Leeds. The campaign must have cost a fortune.
    As will you travelling to West Sussex.
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