The US and Israeli brothers in arms have really fucked this one up.
There is a reason Israel wanted to do this for forty years and they couldn't find a US President stupid enough to agree, until now...
Over on another forum I read, the talk has stopped being 'Regime change' in Iran to, "What terms will Iran impose on the United States, and how can Trump spin this as 'Victory'."
Maybe premeature, but the fact its being spoken about shows the US is in deep shit.
Hitler's Germany was in deep shit in December 1941 having started a war in the East that would result in the destruction of his empire, the occupation of his country and his death by suicide. The USA may not know how to end what it has started but its hard to see how Iran completes the occupation of Washington and flying the flag over the remains of the White House.
The US and Israeli brothers in arms have really fucked this one up.
There is a reason Israel wanted to do this for forty years and they couldn't find a US President stupid enough to agree, until now...
Over on another forum I read, the talk has stopped being 'Regime change' in Iran to, "What terms will Iran impose on the United States, and how can Trump spin this as 'Victory'."
Maybe premeature, but the fact its being spoken about shows the US is in deep shit.
Fully expect Iran to say it will not permit traffic through the Straits until the US bases in the GCC are closed for good.
Your call, GCC. Until then, how is that tourism industry doing, propping up the hydrocarbons-sized hole in your economy?
Given the UK has not taken part in the strikes on Iran I expect Starmer can largely blame Trump if the oil price rise leads to increased cost of living at home. Though he might want to sack Ed Miliband and push for more oil drills in the North Sea just to be on the safe side!
I think the point is that regardless of his total blamelessness for this global crisis, the voters will blame him.
Also FFS the whole point of the renewables transition is to isolate the UK from these oil price shocks. Spain and Portugal will fare better, having decoupled their energy market from gas prices, generally Ed Milliband is right, on some of the details CCS, floating wind, he's not, but generally big picture "get off fossil fuels" is correct. Support and guidance on better options, not opposition.
Get off fossil fuels is not exactly a new idea is it.
But on practially every aspect of the detail EdM has been wrong.
He is wrong to stop North Sea drilling and rely on imports of hydorcarbons He is wrong to ignore Tidal power and geothermal as viable renewable sources. He is wrong to continue with the old 'National Grid' model when we need to be looking at localised power sources for day to day provision and use the grid as a backup He is wrong to pursue CCS - a technology with massive flaws which is having billions thrown at it for absolutely no return. He is wrong to pursue North Sea electrification, a hugely expensive and pointless idea that is driving companies to shut down viable assets years ahead of time
Basically in every detailed decision he has made he has been wrong.
You are the expert on this, and those who are net zero zealots need to listen to reason and accept the transition, which most everyone supports, needs to be viewed over a much longer time frame
Richard is an expert on geology, but he's also an AGW sceptic which I suspect colours his opinions. The problem is that from a climate point of view, we simply don't have a much longer time frame. A transition to renewables over a much longer time frame will ultimately result in world in which we failed to avert most of the effects of climate change.
I just do not agree that we impoverish ourselves when realistically we are only responsible for 1% of emissions
We should be extracting as much oil and gas as we can from the North Sea as are Norway, and I see no condemnation of Norway
Climate change is happening, but preventing our use of the North sea for tax revenues over the next 20 years is lunacy
Climate change isn't just happening; it is being caused by the burning of fossil fuels. The more we burn, the worse it gets. Everyone can argue that they are only responsible for x% of the emissions, but that just means that nothing is done about it. The way we counter this is by fighting to defend the international rules based order within which international agreements can be made and agreeing with other countries to limit emissions. That may be a difficult ask, but it's better than simply giving up the fight and comdemning our descendents to a world of chaos.
What is good for Norway who are finding and developing new oil and gas fields is somehow wrong for the UK
This just does not make sense
Well, Norway is a different country and it does lots of things differently. I think we could look to Norway on various policy issues, but I didn't think you'd be so keen on following Norway!
Norway is a member of the EEA. Do you think we should be?
Alcohol taxes are high in Norway. Should ours be too?
Asylum seekers can more easily get a work permit in Norway. Should we do that too?
Yes we should be in the EEA. As i have said since before the Brexit vote.
And no, it's not easier for Asylum Seekers to work in Norway. In many ways, although Norway is more liberal than the UK it is much harder to get the right to live and work there.
But the importa ny point is that Norway is not trashing it's economy in pointless virtue signalling. They are far more advanced than the UK in terms of Net Zero but they also recognise the importance of that being consumer driven not supply driven.
We are doing worse than Norway by every measure over this issue.
Whilst being in the EEA allows the UK to still do its own trade deals the issue of FOM would be toxic even though there are more restraints on that . And the rule taker narrative would be hammered by the Tories and Reform.
Recent backgrounder on Norway's relationship with the EU. Interesting issue arising about participation fees. Norway participates in EU programmes on a pay-as-you-go basis. But because the number of EU programmes is proliferating they are ending up paying more than as members. I think this becoming an issue for the UK as well
For the United Kingdom, the Norwegian experience offers multiple sobering lessons. Alignment is not a fixed state. It is a continuous, demanding process of adaptation that requires constant political attention and administrative capacity – and cross-party support for dynamic alignment. Norway has demonstrated that maintaining a deep, stable relationship with the EU from outside is possible, but costly. Moreover, as global volatility intensifies and the international order fragments, the Norwegian model increasingly looks like a strategic liability – expensive, constraining, and offering diminishing returns.
The question is how much of that would change if they were actually a member of the EU. Very little I would suggest.
The difference between having a vote and not having a vote. Countries dynamically align because it's in their interest to do so. In practice it comes down to the hypothetical ability to do something you don't want to do anyway, versus being excluded from something you do want because you're not a member.
The problem comes when those who do have a vote, can vote to intentionally harm those who don’t have a vote.
Dynamic alignment on anything with the EU is the worst of all options.
I suggest dynamic alignment is the best of the remaining options once the best option - EU membership - is excluded. It will necessarily be suboptimal, especially as it may not be reciprocal, but countries dynamically align because it's generally in their interest to do so.
I disagree. That truly is rule taking with no input. The EEA option is far superior in every way.
How do you interpret "compromise of participation without representation" as the explanation of what Norway is doing?
Also:
A defining feature of the EEA agreement is that it is a dynamic arrangement. Not only did Norway immediately adopt all relevant EU legislation; it also effectively agreed to adopt all new relevant EU legislation. (Although there is a procedure whereby an EEA state can reserve the right not to adopt a new policy, this is a potential deal-breaker and has consequently never been used.)
They are wrong. And proveably given that the EFTA Treaty is explicit on this and that Norway has vetoed the application of EU regulation in the past. Bear in mind there are plenty in Norway who are desperate for them to join the EU and have often made patently false or misleading claims in the past.
The US and Israeli brothers in arms have really fucked this one up.
There is a reason Israel wanted to do this for forty years and they couldn't find a US President stupid enough to agree, until now...
Over on another forum I read, the talk has stopped being 'Regime change' in Iran to, "What terms will Iran impose on the United States, and how can Trump spin this as 'Victory'."
Maybe premeature, but the fact its being spoken about shows the US is in deep shit.
The US was dragged like a poodle on a lead by Netanyahu.
How many more times will Israel be allowed to perpetuate war to save the skin of one man.
If any country needs its decent people to rise up and enforce regime change it's global decent Jews against extreme zionism
The United States is the largest Oil Producer in the World, by far, so when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money. BUT, of far greater interest and importance to me, as President, is stoping an evil Empire, Iran, from having Nuclear Weapons, and destroying the Middle East and, indeed, the World. I won't ever let that happen! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It's not Notre-Dame or the Mackintosh, just a substantial if not hugely remarkable 19th century building. It's not even the Forsyth Building which various numpties including the SoS for Scotland kept calling it.
The main part it plays in the Glasgow psyche and memory is the old view down Renfield St with the neon Irn Bru sign on it which hasn't been there for decades.
So, how do you feel about it?
Sad but not grief stricken. I feel much more strongly about the barbarities inflicted on Glasgow over the last 60 years, and the continuing festering sore of the Mack.
So would you prefer it restored as-was or are you content with a modern facade?
The United States is the largest Oil Producer in the World, by far, so when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money. BUT, of far greater interest and importance to me, as President, is stoping an evil Empire, Iran, from having Nuclear Weapons, and destroying the Middle East and, indeed, the World. I won't ever let that happen! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
The US and Israeli brothers in arms have really fucked this one up.
There is a reason Israel wanted to do this for forty years and they couldn't find a US President stupid enough to agree, until now...
Over on another forum I read, the talk has stopped being 'Regime change' in Iran to, "What terms will Iran impose on the United States, and how can Trump spin this as 'Victory'."
Maybe premeature, but the fact its being spoken about shows the US is in deep shit.
The US was dragged like a poodle on a lead by Netanyahu.
How many more times will Israel be allowed to perpetuate war to save the skin of one man.
If any country needs its decent people to rise up and enforce regime change it's global decent Jews against extreme zionism
Perhaps they need to move away from PR.
The minor ultra-orthadox religious parties getting their seats guarantees this outcome.
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It’s the sort of thing that you’d want to insurance to be able to rebuild something similar.
Don’t know if this was a listed building, but pretty much the whole of central Glasgow is what you’d want to be listed buildings!
The best way to appreciate Glasgow’s buildings is to look up. Even if the ground floor has been modernised, the upper floors are often spectacular.
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It's not Notre-Dame or the Mackintosh, just a substantial if not hugely remarkable 19th century building. It's not even the Forsyth Building which various numpties including the SoS for Scotland kept calling it.
The main part it plays in the Glasgow psyche and memory is the old view down Renfield St with the neon Irn Bru sign on it which hasn't been there for decades.
So, how do you feel about it?
Sad but not grief stricken. I feel much more strongly about the barbarities inflicted on Glasgow over the last 60 years, and the continuing festering sore of the Mack.
So would you prefer it restored as-was or are you content with a modern facade?
The old building actually blocked the station facade from view from Gordon/Renfield Street (the bit above Blue Lagoon). If GCC are smart they'll leave part of the space open to actually improve it in that respect, always felt a bit crowded imo.
A Kings Cross style extension and new east entrance would be cool. Restoration as-was isn't necessarily the best option.
In WW2 we ran convoys across the Atlantic in the face of Hitler's wolfpacks. I'm sure the world has the ability to run the Hormuz gauntlet. Sad its come to this. I despise the Iranian regime but are we really helping the people of Iran to be doing what is happening at the moment?
The Atlantic is a lot wider than the straits of Hormuz.
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It’s the sort of thing that you’d want to insurance to be able to rebuild something similar.
Don’t know if this was a listed building, but pretty much the whole of central Glasgow is what you’d want to be listed buildings!
The best way to appreciate Glasgow’s buildings is to look up. Even if the ground floor has been modernised, the upper floors are often spectacular.
Correct. A weird thing about the UK is we don't protect the shop fronts from vandalism, so we have lovely cities but only above head height.
Indeed the interior of the station itself is gorgeous because they haven't allowed that to happen - the shop names are simply stencilled onto the panelling.
In WW2 we ran convoys across the Atlantic in the face of Hitler's wolfpacks. I'm sure the world has the ability to run the Hormuz gauntlet. Sad its come to this. I despise the Iranian regime but are we really helping the people of Iran to be doing what is happening at the moment?
The Atlantic is a lot wider than the straits of Hormuz.
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It’s the sort of thing that you’d want to insurance to be able to rebuild something similar.
Don’t know if this was a listed building, but pretty much the whole of central Glasgow is what you’d want to be listed buildings!
The best way to appreciate Glasgow’s buildings is to look up. Even if the ground floor has been modernised, the upper floors are often spectacular.
Correct. A weird thing about the UK is we don't protect the shop fronts from vandalism, so we have lovely cities but only above head height.
Indeed the interior of the station itself is gorgeous because they haven't allowed that to happen - the shop names are simply stencilled onto the panelling.
I think we do really odd things with our planning and architecture. I tend to believe that the cult of modernism has done enormous damage over the years. That and treating concrete as the building material of the future. Fine to use, but please cover it up...
Apparently the US navy won’t be escorting any ships anytime soon but it could happen by the end of the month according to the US energy secretary!
We’re not sure which month though !
If the water is mined, that's not going to a lot of use. The last time they tried that it the late 80s, a tanker ended up escorting the US navy vessels back out (after the tanker was struck and didn't sink), as it was the only vessel likely to survive another mine encounter.
The US navy has, I think, fewer mine clearance assets than they had back then.
They just shipped their only dedicated mine sweepers back from the gulf last month. Supposedly the capability is replaced by the littoral combat ship.
The complete lack of planning that went into this war is jaw dropping. No thought put into the likely consequences (apart from an assuming US total victory) at all.
According to UNICEF the U.S. has already hit 20 schools, 10 hospitals, and killed over 1,300 civilians including 300 children
Any evidence at all for the US “targeting” civilians?
Are you suggesting the US missiles are untargetted? I think you'll find they hit the buildings they were aimed at, so your next excuse is "human shields", last resort is "intelligence failures". The pictures of some bombed areas in Lebanon and Tehran, it's clearly housing, there's still washing hanging out on some intact balconies.
Just have the grace to admit that Israel and the US are bombing cities and they don't really care if they kill civilians.
No, I’m saying exactly the opposite.
If you’re saying that Western armies are *actively targeting civilians*, that accusation needs to come with hard evidence.
In a war there’s going to be missed targets and failed weapons, but if you’re saying that civilians are targets that’s an explicit accusation of a war crime, and the person saying it needs to bring evidence for their case.
Apologies, what I posted is the best I could find, if it’s hearsay and biased in your honest opinion, you have every right to continue defending and supporting the US conduct in this war.
Off on a slight tangent, BBC claiming today evidence the Israeli’s are targeting the US weapons.
Eh?
There's a Canadian social media site called "Eh!".
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It’s the sort of thing that you’d want to insurance to be able to rebuild something similar.
Don’t know if this was a listed building, but pretty much the whole of central Glasgow is what you’d want to be listed buildings!
The best way to appreciate Glasgow’s buildings is to look up. Even if the ground floor has been modernised, the upper floors are often spectacular.
Correct. A weird thing about the UK is we don't protect the shop fronts from vandalism, so we have lovely cities but only above head height.
Indeed the interior of the station itself is gorgeous because they haven't allowed that to happen - the shop names are simply stencilled onto the panelling.
This - removing coherent ground floor frontages and replacing them with plate glass and shutters - is one of my bugbears, and just as true of my nondescript small town as of our grandest cities.
The US and Israeli brothers in arms have really fucked this one up.
There is a reason Israel wanted to do this for forty years and they couldn't find a US President stupid enough to agree, until now...
Over on another forum I read, the talk has stopped being 'Regime change' in Iran to, "What terms will Iran impose on the United States, and how can Trump spin this as 'Victory'."
Maybe premeature, but the fact its being spoken about shows the US is in deep shit.
The US was dragged like a poodle on a lead by Netanyahu.
How many more times will Israel be allowed to perpetuate war to save the skin of one man.
If any country needs its decent people to rise up and enforce regime change it's global decent Jews against extreme zionism
Perhaps they need to move away from PR.
The minor ultra-orthadox religious parties getting their seats guarantees this outcome.
The ultra-religious voters live near to each other, so they’d win seats under FPTP too. Although it’s not the ultra-religious parties who are most gung ho about war.
The United States is the largest Oil Producer in the World, by far, so when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money. BUT, of far greater interest and importance to me, as President, is stoping an evil Empire, Iran, from having Nuclear Weapons, and destroying the Middle East and, indeed, the World. I won't ever let that happen! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It’s the sort of thing that you’d want to insurance to be able to rebuild something similar.
Don’t know if this was a listed building, but pretty much the whole of central Glasgow is what you’d want to be listed buildings!
The best way to appreciate Glasgow’s buildings is to look up. Even if the ground floor has been modernised, the upper floors are often spectacular.
Correct. A weird thing about the UK is we don't protect the shop fronts from vandalism, so we have lovely cities but only above head height.
Indeed the interior of the station itself is gorgeous because they haven't allowed that to happen - the shop names are simply stencilled onto the panelling.
This - removing coherent ground floor frontages and replacing them with plate glass and shutters - is one of my bugbears, and just as true of my nondescript small town as of our grandest cities.
Both Apple shops in Edinburgh and Glasgow have made a point of not doing this. And thus they actually contribute to the public realm rather than trash it like most other shops.
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
I seemed to remember Ed Conway (so buyer beware) had a chart showing that oil wasn't so much the issue it was natural gas. At the moment, Qatari natural gas is only 1% of our requirements, but in the next 2-3 years it was predicted to shoot up to a significant percentage.
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
We don't consume any Iranian oil. Over 90% of it goes to China. In fact I can't see a single western importer.
Unfortunately oil is globally traded resource over which we have zero market power. So unless we take direct government control over storage, consumption and production, we will always be vulnerable to episodes like this.
As many as 3.2 million Iranians have left their cities headed north into rural areas. Makes rising up against the Regime somewhat more tricky.
But should even a handful of them arrive in Dover these heroic opponents of the theocrats will become despised themselves. Such is the fate of refugees.
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
The UK imports basically zero Iranian oil. Very little Iranian oil goes to the West. However, oil is fungible, so high prices affect us even though we’re buying Norwegian oil and pumping our own.
We have become generally less reliant on oil in recent years. We now have electric cars! It has been government policy for years to reduce the usage of fossil fuels.
No 10 says ministers were right to give Peter Mandelson a £75k payoff after he was sacked in disgrace - but also that he should give it back
Would those against the payout prefer we paid him £250k and lawyers another £500k after a court battle?
What was in his contract? That surely is the key thing. If I get sacked for something bad I don't expect to get a pay-off.
He was one year into a five year contract. Being friends with someone unsavoury or even criminal is not usually a sacking matter, so I suspect from a purely monetary point of view HMG lawyers were sensible in paying out £75k rather than risking court. Politically perhaps it would have been better to have refused a payout, hope he gives up his case, and if it goes to court blame the judges.
The United States is the largest Oil Producer in the World, by far, so when oil prices go up, we make a lot of money. BUT, of far greater interest and importance to me, as President, is stoping an evil Empire, Iran, from having Nuclear Weapons, and destroying the Middle East and, indeed, the World. I won't ever let that happen! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
The man makes a total tit out himself, every time he posts one of his illiterate tweets. The US is also the largest consumer of oil per capita in the world. I do not know how long it will take, but the senile old lecher is riding for utter disgrace. "Thank you for your attention in the matter". What a tosser. Stopping has two "p"s by the way.
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
I seemed to remember Ed Conway (so buyer beware) had a chart showing that oil wasn't so much the issue it was natural gas. At the moment, Qatari natural gas is only 1% of our requirements, but in the next 2-3 years it was predicted to shoot up to a significant percentage.
Most of our gas is from Norway. Can you recall why are usage of Qatari gas would shoot up?
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
I seemed to remember Ed Conway (so buyer beware) had a chart showing that oil wasn't so much the issue it was natural gas. At the moment, Qatari natural gas is only 1% of our requirements, but in the next 2-3 years it was predicted to shoot up to a significant percentage.
Most of our gas is from Norway. Can you recall why are usage of Qatari gas would shoot up?
I guess because our production is declining so rapidly - and before people cook off, this is going to happen anyway, it's just a question of how fast.
According to UNICEF the U.S. has already hit 20 schools, 10 hospitals, and killed over 1,300 civilians including 300 children
Fortunately the people he ordered killed rather than captured in "drug boats" are dead and cannot contradict him.
I fairly sure that it was reported that the people on these "drug boats" are not being positively identified. So when the US military target these "drug boats" they don't really know who they might be killing. For the US military it now seems to be enough to say that if a boat looks like a "drug boat" then it is a "drug boat" and so anyone on it is a "drug trafficker". Other countries have stopped sharing intelligence with the US military regarding such vessels, because they think that without knowing who is on the boats what is being done might be more akin to murder than either law enforcement, counter-narcotics, or counter-terrorism.
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
I seemed to remember Ed Conway (so buyer beware) had a chart showing that oil wasn't so much the issue it was natural gas. At the moment, Qatari natural gas is only 1% of our requirements, but in the next 2-3 years it was predicted to shoot up to a significant percentage.
Most of our gas is from Norway. Can you recall why are usage of Qatari gas would shoot up?
Because Norway cannot supply all the gas we need. It has other customers in Europe who are also seeing an increase in demand for Norwegian gas after the Russian supply ended.
Farage talking shite again ! Saying Iran is a bigger threat to us than Russia .
The Putin stooge has taken his orders from the Kremlin .
Iran is currently threatening doom to the UK economy by blocking trade. At this point this would be far more than anything Putin could do.
They wouldn’t be doing that if the USA and Israel didn’t attack them . The blame lies solely with the two war criminals.
No, it doesn't. None of the blame which attaches to Trump and Netanyahu absolves the Iranian regime of responsibility for their actions.
Apparently it does.
Everything up to and including a Genocide is classed as defending yourself which as we know SKS is a massive supporter of countries having the right to
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
The UK imports basically zero Iranian oil. Very little Iranian oil goes to the West. However, oil is fungible, so high prices affect us even though we’re buying Norwegian oil and pumping our own.
We have become generally less reliant on oil in recent years. We now have electric cars! It has been government policy for years to reduce the usage of fossil fuels.
We still need huge supplies of oil for non energy usage. We are destroying important industries by cutting off the supply of one of their basic raw materials.
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It's not Notre-Dame or the Mackintosh, just a substantial if not hugely remarkable 19th century building. It's not even the Forsyth Building which various numpties including the SoS for Scotland kept calling it.
The main part it plays in the Glasgow psyche and memory is the old view down Renfield St with the neon Irn Bru sign on it which hasn't been there for decades.
So, how do you feel about it?
Sad but not grief stricken. I feel much more strongly about the barbarities inflicted on Glasgow over the last 60 years, and the continuing festering sore of the Mack.
So would you prefer it restored as-was or are you content with a modern facade?
Unless it’s an outstanding building I don’t think exact reproduction is desirable, assuming anyone wants to pay out for the extra costs involved. There are outstanding buildings currently rotting away in Glasgow that should be preserved before millions is spunked on Poundbury style synthesis.
Not entirely sure about the Mackintosh tbh. It was an absolute masterpiece but part of its charm was it was a working art school with generations of students’ shagging, drinking, arguing and painting permeating its fabric. That’s all gone whatever happens.
Hard to disagree with them, the structure’s clearly unsafe and the works will take several more days to complete.
In theory it could probably be shored up, but in practice it would take weeks and cost millions, and the station would need to remain closed while they do it.
That's very sad, but there's probably no alternative.
In France, they'd then fully and faithfully restore it.
Here we'll probably do some glass and steel shite and a bad commemorative plaque.
It's not Notre-Dame or the Mackintosh, just a substantial if not hugely remarkable 19th century building. It's not even the Forsyth Building which various numpties including the SoS for Scotland kept calling it.
The main part it plays in the Glasgow psyche and memory is the old view down Renfield St with the neon Irn Bru sign in it which hasn't been there for decades.
I once accidentally sipped some Irn Bru.
Jeez.
Belongs to the deep-fried Mars bars cuisine tendency.
In WW2 we ran convoys across the Atlantic in the face of Hitler's wolfpacks. I'm sure the world has the ability to run the Hormuz gauntlet. Sad its come to this. I despise the Iranian regime but are we really helping the people of Iran to be doing what is happening at the moment?
It's extremely difficult to get shipping through the strait in the face of hostile fire, given how narrow it is. The Atlantic convoys are not relevant, a better comparison would be the convoys to Malta. Those took horrendous losses.
Farage talking shite again ! Saying Iran is a bigger threat to us than Russia .
The Putin stooge has taken his orders from the Kremlin .
Iran is currently threatening doom to the UK economy by blocking trade. At this point this would be far more than anything Putin could do.
They wouldn’t be doing that if the USA and Israel didn’t attack them . The blame lies solely with the two war criminals.
No, it doesn't. None of the blame which attaches to Trump and Netanyahu absolves the Iranian regime of responsibility for their actions.
What do you expect Iran to do . It’s the only card they have left to play and we wouldn’t be here if they weren’t attacked .
Yep. It's like Russia invading Ukraine and then whining when the the West imposes sanctions. If you are attacked then using economic warfare to defend yourself is pretty much expected.
In WW2 we ran convoys across the Atlantic in the face of Hitler's wolfpacks. I'm sure the world has the ability to run the Hormuz gauntlet. Sad its come to this. I despise the Iranian regime but are we really helping the people of Iran to be doing what is happening at the moment?
We didn't run convoys up the Rhine or Danube. I can't imagine HMS BigBalls lasting the round trip. The dangers being: mines, midget subs, drones, artillery, ballistic missiles, anti-ship missiles and those fancy drone ships like the Ukranians are using.
In WW2 we ran convoys across the Atlantic in the face of Hitler's wolfpacks. I'm sure the world has the ability to run the Hormuz gauntlet. Sad its come to this. I despise the Iranian regime but are we really helping the people of Iran to be doing what is happening at the moment?
It's extremely difficult to get shipping through the strait in the face of hostile fire, given how narrow it is. The Atlantic convoys are not relevant, a better comparison would be the convoys to Malta. Those took horrendous losses.
This is a good opportunity for the West to become less reliant on Iranian oil. Let's develop alternatives.
The UK imports basically zero Iranian oil. Very little Iranian oil goes to the West. However, oil is fungible, so high prices affect us even though we’re buying Norwegian oil and pumping our own.
We have become generally less reliant on oil in recent years. We now have electric cars! It has been government policy for years to reduce the usage of fossil fuels.
Working from home & EV cars seems to have wiped ~10% off Britain's oil consumption compared to 2019.
According to UNICEF the U.S. has already hit 20 schools, 10 hospitals, and killed over 1,300 civilians including 300 children
Any evidence at all for the US “targeting” civilians?
They are always useless and struggle to hit barn doors, they have centuries of history of firing at anything and everything including their allies. Always trigger happy.
Given the UK has not taken part in the strikes on Iran I expect Starmer can largely blame Trump if the oil price rise leads to increased cost of living at home. Though he might want to sack Ed Miliband and push for more oil drills in the North Sea just to be on the safe side!
I think the point is that regardless of his total blamelessness for this global crisis, the voters will blame him.
Also FFS the whole point of the renewables transition is to isolate the UK from these oil price shocks. Spain and Portugal will fare better, having decoupled their energy market from gas prices, generally Ed Milliband is right, on some of the details CCS, floating wind, he's not, but generally big picture "get off fossil fuels" is correct. Support and guidance on better options, not opposition.
Get off fossil fuels is not exactly a new idea is it.
But on practially every aspect of the detail EdM has been wrong.
He is wrong to stop North Sea drilling and rely on imports of hydorcarbons He is wrong to ignore Tidal power and geothermal as viable renewable sources. He is wrong to continue with the old 'National Grid' model when we need to be looking at localised power sources for day to day provision and use the grid as a backup He is wrong to pursue CCS - a technology with massive flaws which is having billions thrown at it for absolutely no return. He is wrong to pursue North Sea electrification, a hugely expensive and pointless idea that is driving companies to shut down viable assets years ahead of time
Basically in every detailed decision he has made he has been wrong.
You are the expert on this, and those who are net zero zealots need to listen to reason and accept the transition, which most everyone supports, needs to be viewed over a much longer time frame
Richard is an expert on geology, but he's also an AGW sceptic which I suspect colours his opinions. The problem is that from a climate point of view, we simply don't have a much longer time frame. A transition to renewables over a much longer time frame will ultimately result in world in which we failed to avert most of the effects of climate change.
I just do not agree that we impoverish ourselves when realistically we are only responsible for 1% of emissions
We should be extracting as much oil and gas as we can from the North Sea as are Norway, and I see no condemnation of Norway
Climate change is happening, but preventing our use of the North sea for tax revenues over the next 20 years is lunacy
If we haven't ransitioned away from burning fossil fuels in the next 20 years, we're fucked. A bit of tax revenue won't make up for that.
We will need oil and gas for a lot longer so will end up importing more and many billions of lost revenue
Meanwhile Loony Ed won't let us delevop the north sea. He really is bonkers.
The loonies are the ones who dont want more renewables.
Like to see Trump trying to stop the wind and sun with another war
It's not either or
It is both and solved by a longer transition
Solved more quickly by not having self styled "strong leaders" invading and bombing other countries. And by each and every one of us not jumping to support them when they do.
I often wish the world was different, but we have a mad man in the US and in attacking Iran he has exposed our interests in the Middle East to attack so the question is what would you do.?
Abandon our forces, personal and 300,000 Brits or take whatever action is needed to protect them
G, the 300,000 chose to live there to evade tax, they should be left to get on with their choices, they contribute nothing and we owe them nothing. Forces should be able to protect themselves, assume not sent out with pea shooters, or they should not be there.
No 10 says ministers were right to give Peter Mandelson a £75k payoff after he was sacked in disgrace - but also that he should give it back
Would those against the payout prefer we paid him £250k and lawyers another £500k after a court battle?
He did not have a leg to stand on, lied at his interview and got job under false pretences , only thing he should have got is flung out by thebreeks arse
Farage talking shite again ! Saying Iran is a bigger threat to us than Russia .
The Putin stooge has taken his orders from the Kremlin .
In terms of oil disruption, it is not immediately unclear that he's wrong. Russia wants to keep supplying oil, and we don't want it to. Iran wants to cut it all off.
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Sense of proportion needed by some, I think.
US bases must be closed immediately
Neighbours must expel the Americans
#Nobody has seen the supreme leader and some rumours say he is in a coma
And 10 year bond rates rise to over 4.70
Your call, GCC. Until then, how is that tourism industry doing, propping up the hydrocarbons-sized hole in your economy?
How many more times will Israel be allowed to perpetuate war to save the skin of one man.
If any country needs its decent people to rise up and enforce regime change it's global decent Jews against extreme zionism
The minor ultra-orthadox religious parties getting their seats guarantees this outcome.
No 10 says ministers were right to give Peter Mandelson a £75k payoff after he was sacked in disgrace - but also that he should give it back
https://x.com/mdf200/status/2031749214032544070
A Kings Cross style extension and new east entrance would be cool. Restoration as-was isn't necessarily the best option.
The Putin stooge has taken his orders from the Kremlin .
Indeed the interior of the station itself is gorgeous because they haven't allowed that to happen - the shop names are simply stencilled onto the panelling.
Unfortunately oil is globally traded resource over which we have zero market power. So unless we take direct government control over storage, consumption and production, we will always be vulnerable to episodes like this.
He was binned for cause.
It’s only in #NU10K world that such a payoff is justifiable.
It's exactly the way SKS would see that.
https://www.human-law.co.uk/_cmroot/human-law.co.uk/blog/2014/07/how-did-sharon-shoesmith-obtain-so-much-damages.aspx
Employment law is not particularly suited to political sackings.
We have become generally less reliant on oil in recent years. We now have electric cars! It has been government policy for years to reduce the usage of fossil fuels.
They just do not get the optics of this
None of the blame which attaches to Trump and Netanyahu absolves the Iranian regime of responsibility for their actions.
That would represent a 60p a litre Trump tax since before the war
I think it is quite likely the pumps will run dry and the UK will be in recession too shortly
Still I am sure some (or at least one PBer will say its a price worth paying
Oh well
Everything up to and including a Genocide is classed as defending yourself which as we know SKS is a massive supporter of countries having the right to
The game is treating that he will go to a tribunal. Where he would lose. But that would cost in lawyers fees. So it might seem cheaper to settle.
Nuisance suit, really.
They should have called the bluff. If Mandy went ahead, he would end up losing and get a bill from his lawyers.
Not entirely sure about the Mackintosh tbh. It was an absolute masterpiece but part of its charm was it was a working art school with generations of students’ shagging, drinking, arguing and painting permeating its fabric. That’s all gone whatever happens.
Jeez.
Belongs to the deep-fried Mars bars cuisine tendency.
Zak Crawley, £180,000
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Always trigger happy.