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Voters want it good not quick – politicalbetting.com

Britons tend to think it's more important to retain the right to a jury trial than to try and reduce waiting lists for court trialsMore important to have right to jury trial: 50%More important to try and reduce waiting lists: 31%yougov.com/en-gb/daily-…

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,393
    No laughing at the back,

    Sir Keir Starmer has ordered a standards overhaul in an attempt to boost integrity in public life following the Mandelson scandal.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,414

    No laughing at the back,

    Sir Keir Starmer has ordered a standards overhaul in an attempt to boost integrity in public life following the Mandelson scandal.

    The overhall will be run by Damien McBride, who doesn’t need clearance for the role (it would be rude to ask) and will get £2,457.34 an hour for this work. Plus expenses.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,563
    Sky

    The documents that have been published today absolutely lay bare the fact the PM knew everything about Mandelson and still went ahead and appointed him
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,877
    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    If the lib dims didn’t exist the world wouldn’t be any worse than it is now. Less sanctimony is a good thing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,635
    Curse the new thread.

    This from last on pre-1960 bank notes.


    I idly looked up pre-1960 bank notes on wiki and went down a slight rabbit hole on finding out the tiny island of Tristan da Cunha in south Atlantic uses GB pounds.

    Another few minutes of the afternoon used up!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,635

    No laughing at the back,

    Sir Keir Starmer has ordered a standards overhaul in an attempt to boost integrity in public life following the Mandelson scandal.

    Beyond parody.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,502
    edited 4:25PM
    In yesterday's vote on juries, no MPs from any other party apart from Labour supported the idea, as you can see on Hansard. And 100 of Labour's 400 or so MPs also failed to support it.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-10/division/716F1E68-CC3B-43A8-86A7-F2092F57D545/CourtsAndTribunalsBill?outputType=Party
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,449
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    If the lib dims didn’t exist the world wouldn’t be any worse than it is now. Less sanctimony is a good thing.
    But if they joined Labour they might have to talk to working class people. Eww!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,635
    Ailbhe Rea

    @PronouncedAlva
    ·
    31m
    Thoughts and prayers for those who thought Morgan McSweeney pushing for Mandelson's appointment was a "narrative pushed by Labour's soft -left"

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/2031760528696049704
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,358
    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,393
    edited 4:27PM
    "I understand Peter Mandelson takes issue with the claim he requested or demanded more than half a million pounds in severance pay and was quick to agree the sum he was eventually paid by the Foreign Office. I’m told he claims he made it very clear he had no intention of taking his case to an employment tribunal – and that had any issues about him lying been raised he wouldn’t have been entitled to any payout."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg150715jet
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,717

    No laughing at the back,

    Sir Keir Starmer has ordered a standards overhaul in an attempt to boost integrity in public life following the Mandelson scandal.

    So much easier to do that then to hire the right people, lead by example, model the right behaviours and hold people to account, of course.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,717

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    But still more than subscribing to the FT so you can read their articles.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,240
    A very serious error of judgement which you might away with if the case didn’t involve Epstein .

    The due diligence report was laughable . Staying in the apartment of Epstein whilst he was in jail should have been a huge red flag . Instead it’s given almost a shrug in the report .

    Regardless of future files released , it’s irrelevant what questions were asked or whether Mandelson lied through his teeth at that point .

    How exactly do you explain away staying in the apartment? There’s really nothing you can say that can justify that .

    Regardless of whether one odious character as in Mandelson would get on swimmingly with the moral vacuum of Trump is irrelevant.

    You simply should never have taken the chance on appointing him to begin with.

  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,449


    He had to crowbar in "twenty years ago" which is a) not true and b) not the point. Couldn't just write it straight.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,877

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    Must be true if a vested interest said it. In a similar vein it’s never a better time to buy meat says a local butcher.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    Andy_JS said:

    In yesterday's vote on juries, no MPs from any other party apart from Labour supported the idea, as you can see on Hansard. And 100 of Labour's 400 or so MPs also failed to support it.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-10/division/716F1E68-CC3B-43A8-86A7-F2092F57D545/CourtsAndTribunalsBill?outputType=Party

    Passed by a 3 digit majority though.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,041
    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    If the lib dims didn’t exist the world wouldn’t be any worse than it is now. Less sanctimony is a good thing.
    But if they joined Labour they might have to talk to working class people. Eww!
    Only if they had a Tardis.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,877
    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,160
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg150715jet

    In an email Peter Mandelson sent to Foreign Office HR after he was sacked, he expressed concern that he received "maximum dignity and minimum media intrusion" upon leaving the US and returning to the UK.

    "I remain a crown/civil servant and expect to be treated as such," he says in the email, dated 17 September 2025.

    "How is the FCDO [the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office] assisting in this?"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,996
    Fantastic from Kemi in the Central Lobby on LBC, although the young interviewer was very keen to put words in her mouth. She has said probably a dozen times that Starmer is a "liar" (over Mandelson) and has "lied" over the Iran War. She said that she had been entirely consistent in her position over the Iran War.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048
    edited 4:33PM
    You can see why Starmer might have foolishly believed that appointing a friend of the sex trafficker to be US ambassador might be a 'clever' move.

    But publicly adopting the standards of the Trump administration really ought to be a resignation matter for a UK PM.

    You want to know why I wasn't surprised to see Jared Kushner in this picture with Ghislaine? Because sexual blackmail is normal for these people, and they get rewarded for it! Look at his father. It's the Epstein playbook.

    Charles Kushner, Jerad Kushner' father, pleaded guilty in 2005 for fraud, tax evasion, and witness tampering. Court documents detail how he paid a prostitute $10,000 to lure his brother-in-law (a cooperating witness in the tax probe) to a New Jersey motel, where the encounter was covertly recorded. Kushner then mailed the video to his sister (the witness's wife) to silence her testimony.
    What kind of person does this to their sister?
    He served about 14-16 months before release. Kushner was then pardoned by President Trump on December 23, 2020, which cleared his record and allowed him to resume professional activities (he had been disbarred in New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania). Trump then nominated him as the U.S. Ambassador to France on November 30, 2024; he was confirmed by the Senate in early 2025 and assumed the role in July 2025.

    https://x.com/KnoxieLuv/status/2031691051920998402
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,475

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    But still more than subscribing to the FT so you can read their articles.
    It does pay for decent journalism though including their arts and lifestyle stuff. There's not much out there anymore, but even so have stopped the subscription until I can subscribe the eldest as a student.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,791
    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    Plus, in about 20 years, if not sooner, we’ll be a cashless society.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,041
    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    What's a note? 😇
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,677

    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    Plus, in about 20 years, if not sooner, we’ll be a cashless society.
    We're already a cash-strapped society.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,475
    Dopermean said:

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    But still more than subscribing to the FT so you can read their articles.
    It does pay for decent journalism though including their arts and lifestyle stuff. There's not much out there anymore, but even so have stopped the subscription until I can subscribe the eldest as a student.
    Though £2/day is probably what I use to spend on a physical paper when they had content.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,321

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    Shocked, absolutely shocked.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,358

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    But still more than subscribing to the FT so you can read their articles.
    Guardian coverage of the same story: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/mar/11/reaching-net-zero-by-2050-cheaper-for-uk-than-one-fossil-fuel-crisis
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,791
    Lucky fan, they dodged a bullet by not going to Newcastle.

    Barcelona fan goes to wrong St James’ Park – in Exeter

    Supporter misses Champions League match at Newcastle after travelling to Devon, where League One club take pity and let him in


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/03/11/barcelona-fan-wrong-ground-366-miles-newcastle-james-park/
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,475
    I don't expect the general public understand how long cases take to come to court or how many fall apart because of that delay.
    I don't think the changes will clear the backlog, but I don't blame Labour entirely for that, they got an independent expert to review and make recommendations. Unfortunately it was a Judge who doesn't like juries.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,608

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    Reality check from Iain McWhirter:

    "...we are told that Britain is a renewable energy superpower and that we can now produce the equivalent of 100% of the clean energy needed for the National Grid. But this is only true for electricity generation, which is a small part, less than a third, of the energy we actually consume. If you include home heating, transport, construction, pharmaceuticals, agriculture and other industrial processes, we are still overwhelmingly dependent on fossil fuels."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,791
    Meloni criticises Trump and labels Iran school attack a ‘massacre’

    Italian leader says her country will not join in war or let America use its air bases without debate


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/03/11/giorgia-meloni-condemns-iran-school-killings/
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    Crossover in the WH28 market. Newsom is now the fav. Not because he's shortened but because Rubio has and Vance has correspondingly drifted.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,927
    Andy_JS said:

    In yesterday's vote on juries, no MPs from any other party apart from Labour supported the idea, as you can see on Hansard. And 100 of Labour's 400 or so MPs also failed to support it.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-10/division/716F1E68-CC3B-43A8-86A7-F2092F57D545/CourtsAndTribunalsBill?outputType=Party

    And if the MPs had bothered to turn up, the Govt would have lost. Why do we allow MPs to be absent from work/not vote remotely? Is this one of their ancient traditions, like walking their toads over Waterloo Bridge at sundown? Is there an Order of the Skive?
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,990
    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,551
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    In yesterday's vote on juries, no MPs from any other party apart from Labour supported the idea, as you can see on Hansard. And 100 of Labour's 400 or so MPs also failed to support it.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-10/division/716F1E68-CC3B-43A8-86A7-F2092F57D545/CourtsAndTribunalsBill?outputType=Party

    And if the MPs had bothered to turn up, the Govt would have lost. Why do we allow MPs to be absent from work/not vote remotely? Is this one of their ancient traditions, like walking their toads over Waterloo Bridge at sundown? Is there an Order of the Skive?
    Pairing agreements etc cover most of it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 36,876

    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    What's a note? 😇
    It won’t be long before carrying a roll of notes will be, in the police’s mind, equivalent to a kg of cocaine.

    Incidentally how does one manage on a racecourse or dog track without cash?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,160
    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,414
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    In yesterday's vote on juries, no MPs from any other party apart from Labour supported the idea, as you can see on Hansard. And 100 of Labour's 400 or so MPs also failed to support it.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-10/division/716F1E68-CC3B-43A8-86A7-F2092F57D545/CourtsAndTribunalsBill?outputType=Party

    And if the MPs had bothered to turn up, the Govt would have lost. Why do we allow MPs to be absent from work/not vote remotely? Is this one of their ancient traditions, like walking their toads over Waterloo Bridge at sundown? Is there an Order of the Skive?
    Nonsense. The tradition is walking their duckbilled platypuses backwards across Southwark Bridge.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,551

    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    Plus, in about 20 years, if not sooner, we’ll be a cashless society.
    The rise of creative barter
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,891

    Lucky fan, they dodged a bullet by not going to Newcastle.

    Barcelona fan goes to wrong St James’ Park – in Exeter

    Supporter misses Champions League match at Newcastle after travelling to Devon, where League One club take pity and let him in


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/03/11/barcelona-fan-wrong-ground-366-miles-newcastle-james-park/

    Should have used what three words. Donde.estan.barcodes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,414

    Off topic, but too funny not to share:

    Corruption Isn’t a New Problem in American Politics:

    I am reading Carl Sandburg’s biography of Lincoln, a chapter a day, and learning much from it. For example this story, from chapter 23, has something to teach us, even now:

    Earlier he [Thaddeus Stevens] had gone to warn Lincoln that [Simon] Cameron had taking ways and might not be the man for War Department head. “You don’t mean to say you think Cameron would steal?” Lincoln asked. “No,” was the reply. “I don’t think he would steal a red-hot stove.” Lincoln repeated this to Cameron as good wit, and perhaps a warning to be careful. Cameron insisted that Stevens must retract. So Stevens at the White House said, “Mr. Lincoln why did you tell Cameron what I said to you?” “I thought it was a good joke and didn’t think it would make him mad.” “Well he is very mad and made me promise to retract. I will now do so. I believe I told you he would not steal a red-hot stove. I now take that back.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaddeus_Stevens
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Cameron

    Thaddeus Stevens was gift for the ages. A man born to be played by Tommy Lee Jones.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,927
    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    You could argue that Labour were only ever a temporary phenomenon. They were created as the political arm of the industrial working class at a time when the IWC constituted a distinct political bloc that could exert power through the unions. Now the IWC is fragmented, the union movement is shattered, and Labour has dissolved into managerial technocracy with no internal coherence. If Labour did subsume itself into the Lib Dems...would we miss them?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,791
    viewcode said:

    Andy_JS said:

    In yesterday's vote on juries, no MPs from any other party apart from Labour supported the idea, as you can see on Hansard. And 100 of Labour's 400 or so MPs also failed to support it.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-10/division/716F1E68-CC3B-43A8-86A7-F2092F57D545/CourtsAndTribunalsBill?outputType=Party

    And if the MPs had bothered to turn up, the Govt would have lost. Why do we allow MPs to be absent from work/not vote remotely? Is this one of their ancient traditions, like walking their toads over Waterloo Bridge at sundown? Is there an Order of the Skive?
    Don’t forget pairing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,551
    Mandy getting confidential briefings before being vetted and now under investigation for passing confidential info might be a bit problematic......
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,927
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048

    Net zero will cost less than fossil fuel price rise, UK climate adviser says

    https://www.ft.com/content/d1632ddc-2189-44ab-9b1c-72164354ee18

    Reality check from Iain McWhirter:

    "...we are told that Britain is a renewable energy superpower and that we can now produce the equivalent of 100% of the clean energy needed for the National Grid. But this is only true for electricity generation, which is a small part, less than a third, of the energy we actually consume. If you include home heating, transport, construction, pharmaceuticals, agriculture and other industrial processes, we are still overwhelmingly dependent on fossil fuels."
    Net zero includes items like heating and transport. Which are perfectly doable within a decade and a half *if* we spend enough money.

    The Ukraine war energy shock was enormously expensive for us, of course. It's not exactly a useful comparator for energy policy though.

    If we were serious about it, we'd be building a lot more nuclear at the same cost as S Korea.
    There's no evidence yet that we're going to do anything like that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
    They're all good but I do like Confluence. The image conjured is two rivers joining seamlessly together to form a bigger river flowing in the same direction. On it goes until it reaches the sea and that sea (in this context) is a comfortable overall majority at Westminster.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Yes, william. Trump is indeed an idiot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789
    Speaking of not quick, I'm a little sad that the Heriditary peers will finally be gone soon. Not out of principle, but because it was kind of hilarious that more than 25 years after they were reduced to 92 they had still been there.

    It also resulted in some very interesting by-elections over the years, like the one with 7 candidates and only 3 eligible voters.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,891
    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,563
    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789
    edited 5:27PM

    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    What's a note? 😇
    It won’t be long before carrying a roll of notes will be, in the police’s mind, equivalent to a kg of cocaine.

    It isn't already?

    Pretty sure US police already ask about carrying large amounts of cash as a reason to shake people down through civil forfeiture.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Long term partnerships are for suckers, only instant gratification of political whims matters.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,891
    Nigelb said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Yes, william. Trump is indeed an idiot.
    Perhaps someone could explain it to Trump in language he might understand, that Popeye will be upset if he can no longer get any Olive Oyl.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
    They're all good but I do like Confluence. The image conjured is two rivers joining seamlessly together to form a bigger river flowing in the same direction. On it goes until it reaches the sea and that sea (in this context) is a comfortable overall majority at Westminster.
    Effluence.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,563
    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Agreed

    Other than Reeves though
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,393
    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,160
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
    They're all good but I do like Confluence. The image conjured is two rivers joining seamlessly together to form a bigger river flowing in the same direction. On it goes until it reaches the sea and that sea (in this context) is a comfortable overall majority at Westminster.
    Effluence.
    That would be the manifesto, I think, if we're going with this.

    The effluence of policies from Confluence.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,877
    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,653
    Have the Great British Public not read their copy of the Magna Carta? Has Clause 40 been rejected by the Freemen of the Land?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,369

    Lucky fan, they dodged a bullet by not going to Newcastle.

    Barcelona fan goes to wrong St James’ Park – in Exeter

    Supporter misses Champions League match at Newcastle after travelling to Devon, where League One club take pity and let him in


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/03/11/barcelona-fan-wrong-ground-366-miles-newcastle-james-park/

    Don't forget the other St James's Park, just behind Downing Street!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    "The evidence"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,369

    Taz said:

    The fuss about the UK sterling notes going woke.

    I don’t care who’s on them. Could be Hulk Hogan for all I care. The purchasing power is all I care about.

    Plus, in about 20 years, if not sooner, we’ll be a cashless society.
    You mean we'll be bankrupt???
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    You can call it something ridiculous like Stellantis. Or Omni Political Products ("Come With Me If You Want To Vote"). Or the Sirius Cyberpolitics Corporation ("Vote and Enjoy!!!").

    Leyland-Yutani would be fun. "Building Better British Worlds"...which then breaks down on the A62.
    They're all good but I do like Confluence. The image conjured is two rivers joining seamlessly together to form a bigger river flowing in the same direction. On it goes until it reaches the sea and that sea (in this context) is a comfortable overall majority at Westminster.
    Effluence.
    That would be the manifesto, I think, if we're going with this.

    The effluence of policies from Confluence.
    The manifesto would be effluent.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    edited 5:51PM

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563
    edited 5:53PM
    Taz said:

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Unlike the tits ?
    The woman from the Sun claimed it worked.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/798031/can-you-really-think-your-boobs-bigger/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    Maybe Labour could try to get around current unpopularity by having everyone in Parliament join the Co-operative Party and stand under that banner instead.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Unlike the tits ?
    The woman from the Sun claimed it worked.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/798031/can-you-really-think-your-boobs-bigger/
    “In theory, it could work on other areas of the body, too" says Zak.

    If it did, he'd be a billionaire in the male enhancement industry by now.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,097
    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
    A good line and she wasn't wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,612
    edited 5:58PM
    Interesting Reform and Green voters most likely to want to keep juries, perhaps as they think they are more likely to acquit them for any protests they might partake in than judges are. Somewhat surprising the supposedly liberal LDs have even fewer of their voters wanting to keep juries than Labour voters, perhaps because the LDs are now disproportionally the party of lawyers who don't believe the great unwashed should be given much involvement in the application of the law
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563
    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust. Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Unlike the tits ?
    The woman from the Sun claimed it worked.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/798031/can-you-really-think-your-boobs-bigger/
    “In theory, it could work on other areas of the body, too" says Zak.

    If it did, he'd be a billionaire in the male enhancement industry by now.
    Someone needs to introduce him to Chump and Hegseth. Imagine the extra peace for the world if that pair could look for the heroes inside themselves.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,475

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Agreed

    Other than Reeves though
    Paula Venels & Cressida Dick have entered the chat.

    The problem is not diversity in the sense of sex, race or creed. It’s is an absence of diversity of thought and behaviour.

    The #NU10K appear diverse, superficially. But their indifferent vacuity and lack of moral responsibility is uniform.
    McTernan forgetting that Miliband didn't and presumably wouldn't have appointed Mandy.
    Not as simple as gender, I wonder how many of Brown's era would have appointed Mandy having worked with him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,635
    Axios: President Trump told Axios in a brief phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target."
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,048
    edited 5:57PM
    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Long term partnerships are for suckers, only instant gratification of political whims matters.
    The President, of course, doesn't have that power; it would be up to Congress. And they'd have to cut off trade with the EU if they genuinely wanted to cut off trade with Spain.

    He could, I suppose, cut off all US military supplies. That would be a huge fillip to the European defence industry.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,038
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    Hi Harriet

    Lehman Sisters, eh !
    A good line and she wasn't wrong.
    Every time some liberal says that womrn are inherently bettet than men, that immigrants should be favoured over British people, that black people should be privileged over white people, a few more voters go to Reform. It amazes me that they do not see this.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789

    Axios: President Trump told Axios in a brief phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target."

    So war by whack a mole, that's good, we can schedule the next one for a couple of years from now?

    I am reminded of a comment by Mike Martin MP about peace vs war, as if he doesn't come up with something to address what led to the conflict breaking out this time, it will be more a cessation than peace.

    If war is politics by other means, then the distinctions of war versus peace are not as sharp as we might think. Very often in popular discour war and peace are presented as binary opposites, as different states of being, with one being inherently bad, and the other inherently good. But peace is not the absence of war. Peace is the ability to handle conflict by peaceful means. It is the building of human political structures that enable us to keep talking, so that we need not resort to lethal violence to communicate....sometimes we have to fight a war to reach a durable peace;sometimes imposing peace onto a war before its questions are settled simply sets the scene for the next round of hostilities.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,534

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    It sounds like the boy done boobed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789
    edited 6:03PM
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2031774440833355809

    Trump: "We may cut off trade with Spain."

    Long term partnerships are for suckers, only instant gratification of political whims matters.
    The President, of course, doesn't have that power.
    He thinks he does. In about a year the Supreme Court might tell him he doesn't.

    But I expect this is just bluster. Whilst threats often work, I don't think he likes that in international politics it sometimes does not - because those politicians on the other side have electorates to appease as well.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,475
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Selebian said:

    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    You think it's time for Labour to fold? :wink:
    Lol no. But perhaps a friendly merger like you sometimes get in the corporate world. New bigger party called Confluence to capture the entire non-reactionary non-populist vote.
    How about we take Liberal Democrat from the LibDems and from the Labour Party we could take Party?
    I suppose what we could do is have the one party with two names depending on where it's standing. So up north it's Labour and in the home counties it's the Liberal Democrats. No rule against that afaik.
    I'm more than happy for the Lib Dems to wither, losing members to the Greens

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

    Zack Polanski's claim to have immediately apologised for saying that hypnosis could increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a newly unearthed interview.

    Before entering politics the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a session in 2013 to enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.

    Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never believed it was possible, claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologise.

    BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview, but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the theory saying "the evidence is growing".

    At least when it comes to the 2029 leaders' debates Polanski will be at home among the massive tits on stage alongside him.
    Indeed...

    It would be a huge shock if a Sun journalist had completely misrepresented the facts in a story.
    Zack should consider himself lucky he wasn't coerced into doing something illegal, shopped to the police and served jail time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,623

    Axios: President Trump told Axios in a brief phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target."

    And the Iranians have said they'll reject a ceasefire.
    What happens then?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,382
    GIN1138 said:

    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!

    Just checking - you know that juries remain for crimes with a potential sentence of three years or more?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,563
    edited 6:05PM

    Axios: President Trump told Axios in a brief phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target."

    Goodoh. The Iranian navy is gone.

    So it's safe for Mr Trump to order the USN to start escorting convoys through the Straits of Hormuz.

    Don't hold your breath, best beloved ... and don't use much petrol.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,475
    GIN1138 said:

    The right to a jury trial is a non-negotiable red line for me and *could* potentially see me voting REF at the next election, even though long-term PB'ers will know I've never liked Farage going back to 2010 and even before it but if a REF government is what it takes to bring back the right to trial by jury I'll probably hold my nose...

    Hopefully it won't come to that!

    Any excuse to go full racist.

    It's being restricted, not abolished.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,561
    kinabalu said:

    Yet again such a close fit between the views of Lab and LD voters. This happens on almost all issues. Do we really need both parties?

    With a lead topic like this, that’s a rather dumb question
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,714
    kinabalu said:

    One of the important interventions in this scandal was from John McTernan, former adviser to labour, who said that this was effectively a 'boys club' appointment and if any of labour's women had been involved Mandelson would not have been appointed

    Women routinely making the big decisions would change the world beyond recognition.
    If they were like Mrs. Thatcher and Golda Meir, for sure.

    Sarah Ferguson, and Angela Rayner, not so much.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,414
    MattW said:

    Axios: President Trump told Axios in a brief phone interview Wednesday that the war with Iran will end "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target."

    Goodoh. The Iranian navy is gone.

    So it's safe for Mr Trump to order the USN to start escorting convoys through the Straits of Hormuz.

    Don't hold your breath, best beloved ... and don't use much petrol.
    “ Goodoh”

    Does that mean snorkers for dinner?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,789
    Apparently Joe Rogan is super surprised that Trump has not been completely in line with his previous comments about peace.

    It's interesting how confident commentators like him are about believing politicians, whislt probably believing themselves to be very cautious and cynical about political leaders. You do see it on the other side too, and I'm not advocating never trusting a politician, but when you try to appear throughtful before coming down on one side, it is a bit funny when it comes down to just being very credulous.
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