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War? What is good for? Helping Starmer improve his ratings? – politicalbetting.com

? ?? vs?? Most Brits now want a Love Actually moment from Keir Starmer. In Jan 2025, Brits were more likely to say Starmer should prioritise working with Trump than standing up to him. Today that has flipped 55% think priority is standing up to Trump, just 27% working with him

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  • eekeek Posts: 32,830
    First as Farage won't be at the next election following this War..
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,900
    That's polling I'm glad to see.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,900
    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,556
    edited 8:16AM
    Operation Epstein Fury ...

    I'm interested in Kemi's barefaced reverse ferret, when joining Trump's war was an absolute implication of her call to intervene more directly.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,556
    edited 8:18AM
    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    I think it involves chaps in chaps.

    But I've never seen the film, either.

    Update: It does not involve chaps in chaps. That would be Brokeback Mountain - possibly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786
    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,020
    edited 8:17AM
    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    A film in which Hugh Grant (British pm) publicly tells Billy Bob Thornton (US prez) to ram it.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,485

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,888
    edited 8:19AM

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Sounds like the pollsters have less in common?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,900

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    A film in which Hugh Grant (British pm) publicly tells Billy Bob Thornton (US prez) to ram it.
    Thanks to all for the explanation.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786
    edited 8:21AM

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.

    Also it is the only Christmas film Alan Rickman starred in, in his entire career.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Sounds like the pollsters have less in common?
    It has Starmers ratings up a bit to -41 but also Badenochs up to -6 and she leads the pack for the first time.

    Labour were at 21 2 weeks ago and 22 3 weeks ago so this is a reversion to long term mean with MiC plus a smidgen with a small Starmer boost
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    edited 8:25AM

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.

    Also it is the only Christmas film Alan Rickman starred in, in his entire career.
    Its absolute gash.
    And the Yule ball at Hogwarts says hi
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,825

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.

    Also it is the only Christmas film Alan Rickman starred in.
    Lovely if you're in the right mood, but it hasn't dated well.

    Not as badly as, say, Love Thy Neighbour, but a sign of how the world changes.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,855

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    I've no clue who will be right, but the structural difference between some pollsters with Reform at 30% and others with them at 23% is interesting.

    You can't simply take an average and say that is the right answer. One methodology is going to end up being more accurate than another, and it's impossible in advance to say which.

    It's the difference between Reform largest party / potential majority and them having a similar number of seats as a few other parties.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,639
    edited 8:29AM
    Kevin McKenna has identified the culprit for the Glasgow Central fire: https://www.heraldscotland.com/comments/25921682/

    🚴🚴🚴🚴
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,485

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.
    Your film choices make your footwear choices look classy...
  • The Green bounce always seemed illusory.

    Again Reform within a whisker of second place. I suspect it will be Labour vs Tory gunning for first place soon.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,485

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    edited 8:30AM
    Ratters said:

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    I've no clue who will be right, but the structural difference between some pollsters with Reform at 30% and others with them at 23% is interesting.

    You can't simply take an average and say that is the right answer. One methodology is going to end up being more accurate than another, and it's impossible in advance to say which.

    It's the difference between Reform largest party / potential majority and them having a similar number of seats as a few other parties.
    All of the parties have a range though, it's not just Reform. Theirs is more noticeable because they lead
    LD and Con are probably the most tightly modelled
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,464
    I seem to have missed the memo where “British” has been rebranded to “Bridish” by Bridish politicians and others. Not sure I like it but I’m sure the new brand will grow on me.
  • I think that is the first poll in a long time that suggests the public actually believe Sir Keir has any principles at all.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,825

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Sounds like the pollsters have less in common?
    It has Starmers ratings up a bit to -41 but also Badenochs up to -6 and she leads the pack for the first time.

    Labour were at 21 2 weeks ago and 22 3 weeks ago so this is a reversion to long term mean with MiC plus a smidgen with a small Starmer boost
    Big picture is that Reform are solidly ahead, but their lead is drifting down and it doesn't look like enough to win the next GE.

    Labour and Con are neck and neck. On that basis, I'd rather be the red team than the blue. Libs are probably doing fine where they want to, having opted out of the national game. Greens have come out of nowhere, and I don't think anyone really knows how well they are doing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    Indeed. The 'its Ref vs Green' bros are in the mud
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,888

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Sounds like the pollsters have less in common?
    It has Starmers ratings up a bit to -41 but also Badenochs up to -6 and she leads the pack for the first time.

    Labour were at 21 2 weeks ago and 22 3 weeks ago so this is a reversion to long term mean with MiC plus a smidgen with a small Starmer boost
    Starmer will be replaced next year so wouldn't think his ratings matter too much. It's too far from a GE for the party numbers to be a good predictor as well, especially when the polls aren't trying to capture anti Labour and anti Reform which are probably both bigger than 20% themselves.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,811

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.

    Also it is the only Christmas film Alan Rickman starred in, in his entire career.
    Wrong on so many levels.

    Or should that be floors...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    I suspect the Greens will have a couple of more flashes in the pan

    1) After May's locals

    and

    2) When a few Labour MPs defect
  • eekeek Posts: 32,830
    edited 8:36AM

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Surely that would have been the quickest possible solution - here you go but your son is no longer a member...

    Edit - clearly as I've got older I've reached the point where - this is what I want, what compromises do I need to give to achieve that.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,239
    edited 8:36AM
    DavidL said:

    Personally, I would say that Starmer has proven to be closer to my position on this than any of the leaders. If he wasn't so woolly, incoherent and inconsistent he might be doing even better.

    He should take the flack from Trump and wear it with pride, it will do him more political good than anything else he or his government has done, well, ever actually.

    My critique of Starmer and indeed the other European nations is that they have not gone far enough. They should have made it clear that there was no legal basis for this war, that it was and is a criminal act and that they disapprove of what both the US and Israel have done. After the Greenland fiasco Europe needs to stop aligning with the US by default. If they want a rules based system to survive they need to speak up for it. And that includes calling out your erstwhile friends when they act badly.

    In an ideal world that would happen , sadly there are some in Europe who maintain the delusion that if they try and maintain good relations with Trump he won’t throw Ukraine under a bus or throw further as the case maybe now .
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,888

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    Lets have a little slice of sortition.
  • Are Labour actually ever going to get rid of the HoL or not.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    Final note on Love, Actually

    It is an appalling film enjoyed by dreadful, dreary people. I have no words to adequately express my contempt.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    edited 8:41AM

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    900 Sue Grays. Wasters who never even got rejected at the ballot box
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,888
    DavidL said:

    Personally, I would say that Starmer has proven to be closer to my position on this than any of the leaders. If he wasn't so woolly, incoherent and inconsistent he might be doing even better.

    He should take the flack from Trump and wear it with pride, it will do him more political good than anything else he or his government has done, well, ever actually.

    My critique of Starmer and indeed the other European nations is that they have not gone far enough. They should have made it clear that there was no legal basis for this war, that it was and is a criminal act and that they disapprove of what both the US and Israel have done. After the Greenland fiasco Europe needs to stop aligning with the US by default. If they want a rules based system to survive they need to speak up for it. And that includes calling out your erstwhile friends when they act badly.

    The truth of the rules based system has always been that the rules haven't applied to the US. In return the US, up to Trump, did support the rules for everyone else!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,017
    FF43 said:

    Chris Murphy Senator for Connecticut

    I was in a 2 hour briefing today on the Iran War. All the briefings are closed, because Trump can't defend this war in public.

    I obviously can't disclose classified info, but you deserve to know how incoherent and incomplete these war plans are.

    Here's what I can share. Maybe the lead is that the war goals DO NOT involve destroying Iran's nuclear weapons program. This is, uh...surprising...since Trump says over and over this is a key goal.

    But then of course we already know air strikes can't wipe out their nuclear material.

    Second, they confirmed "regime change" is also NOT on the list. So, they are going to spend hundreds of billions of your taxpayer dollars, get a whole bunch of Americans killed, and a hardline regime - probably a MORE anti-American hardline regime - will still be in charge.

    Ok, so what ARE the goals? It seems, primarily, destroying lots of missiles and boats and drone factories.

    But the question that stumped them: what happens when you stop bombing and they restart production?

    They hinted at more bombing. Which is, of course, endless war.

    And on the Strait of Hormuz, they had NO PLAN. I can't go into more detail about how Iran gums up the Strait, but suffice it say, right now, they don't know how to get it safely back open.

    Which is unforgiveable, because this part of the disaster was 100% foreseeable

    There's been an 'endless war' with Iran since 1979.

    Until now Iran has been allowed to make all the moves.
  • A car crash performance from Robert Jenrick on Sky. Reform have got themselves into a complete mess over Iran.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,355

    FF43 said:

    Chris Murphy Senator for Connecticut

    I was in a 2 hour briefing today on the Iran War. All the briefings are closed, because Trump can't defend this war in public.

    I obviously can't disclose classified info, but you deserve to know how incoherent and incomplete these war plans are.

    Here's what I can share. Maybe the lead is that the war goals DO NOT involve destroying Iran's nuclear weapons program. This is, uh...surprising...since Trump says over and over this is a key goal.

    But then of course we already know air strikes can't wipe out their nuclear material.

    Second, they confirmed "regime change" is also NOT on the list. So, they are going to spend hundreds of billions of your taxpayer dollars, get a whole bunch of Americans killed, and a hardline regime - probably a MORE anti-American hardline regime - will still be in charge.

    Ok, so what ARE the goals? It seems, primarily, destroying lots of missiles and boats and drone factories.

    But the question that stumped them: what happens when you stop bombing and they restart production?

    They hinted at more bombing. Which is, of course, endless war.

    And on the Strait of Hormuz, they had NO PLAN. I can't go into more detail about how Iran gums up the Strait, but suffice it say, right now, they don't know how to get it safely back open.

    Which is unforgiveable, because this part of the disaster was 100% foreseeable

    There's been an 'endless war' with Iran since 1979.

    Until now Iran has been allowed to make all the moves.
    Israel and the US have bombed Iran before, so that’s clearly not true.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    edited 8:46AM

    A car crash performance from Robert Jenrick on Sky. Reform have got themselves into a complete mess over Iran.

    Poor old Bobbins what a shame
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,815

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    A film in which Hugh Grant (British pm) publicly tells Billy Bob Thornton (US prez) to ram it.
    I thought it was because the US president wanted to ram it that Grant got upset?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,020

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    900 Sue Grays. Wasters who never even got rejected at the ballot box
    Indeed, Sue Gray is no Thangam Debbonaire.
    Suspect there may be a few rejects after May looking for a new home.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,773

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    I suspect the Greens will have a couple of more flashes in the pan

    1) After May's locals

    and

    2) When a few Labour MPs defect

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    I suspect the Greens will have a couple of more flashes in the pan

    1) After May's locals

    and

    2) When a few Labour MPs defect
    Left.of centre v Right of centre are very level with all pollsters. This plus tactical voting will IMHO be the decisive contest. LOC better placed for now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,517

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    The guy who got caught with a $20 hooker, when he had Elizabeth Hurley at home.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,815

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.

    Also it is the only Christmas film Alan Rickman starred in, in his entire career.
    Ho ho ho, m**********r
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,556
    edited 8:48AM

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    When does this happen?

    Starmer should have had it done by Christmas Day 2024.

    (Checks - Aha May 2026. I trust they won't have access to the premises any more.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,557
    eek said:

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Surely that would have been the quickest possible solution - here you go but your son is no longer a member...

    Edit - clearly as I've got older I've reached the point where - this is what I want, what compromises do I need to give to achieve that.
    The LDs have already slid a couple of their more active/useful hereditaries into some of the few slots for new peers they've been granted recently. The Tories seem to have struck a separate deal for more slots, provided they retire the same number of their non-attending dead wood. Finding those shouldn't be that difficult.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,811
    It has been a rough week in the markets. My portfolio is somewhat depleted, but no matter. To Cheltenham, where I shall undoubtedly restore my fortunes. This plan is as well thought out as the Mad King's Middle Eastern escapade...
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,985

    Final note on Love, Actually

    It is an appalling film enjoyed by dreadful, dreary people. I have no words to adequately express my contempt.

    I've not seen, actually, love actually, but I have seen so many clips posted over the years that I almost feel like I have, actually.

    The thing that bugs me most is that surely there should be a comma in 'love actually', and yet there is not, actually?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    900 Sue Grays. Wasters who never even got rejected at the ballot box
    Indeed, Sue Gray is no Thangam Debbonaire.
    Suspect there may be a few rejects after May looking for a new home.
    They could always beg the EU to give them one of their shiny new awards and take a 'job' with the UN.
    The grift opportunities are endless
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,815

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Shame they didn’t keep to the original agreement - the Lords only signed up to eliminating hereditaries because they didn’t want an all appointed Lords.

    The PM having direct control over the composition of the second chamber is not good
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786
    Disappointed nobody has spotted the very subtle rock music pun right at the end of the header.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,557

    Are Labour actually ever going to get rid of the HoL or not.

    It's on their to-do list, down below sorting out social care, reforming the welfare system and implementing ID cards,
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,556
    edited 8:53AM
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Surely that would have been the quickest possible solution - here you go but your son is no longer a member...

    Edit - clearly as I've got older I've reached the point where - this is what I want, what compromises do I need to give to achieve that.
    The LDs have already slid a couple of their more active/useful hereditaries into some of the few slots for new peers they've been granted recently. The Tories seem to have struck a separate deal for more slots, provided they retire the same number of their non-attending dead wood. Finding those shouldn't be that difficult.
    It was a far bigger problem for the Tories, of course. Amongst the hereditaries:

    As of late 2024, there are 92 "excepted" hereditary peers sitting in the House of Lords, with affiliation:

    Conservative Party (approx. 45)
    Crossbenchers (approx. 30–33)
    Labour (3-4)
    Liberal Democrat (3-4) peers
    along with a few non-affiliated members.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Sounds like the pollsters have less in common?
    It has Starmers ratings up a bit to -41 but also Badenochs up to -6 and she leads the pack for the first time.

    Labour were at 21 2 weeks ago and 22 3 weeks ago so this is a reversion to long term mean with MiC plus a smidgen with a small Starmer boost
    Big picture is that Reform are solidly ahead, but their lead is drifting down and it doesn't look like enough to win the next GE.

    Labour and Con are neck and neck. On that basis, I'd rather be the red team than the blue. Libs are probably doing fine where they want to, having opted out of the national game. Greens have come out of nowhere, and I don't think anyone really knows how well they are doing.
    Broadly agree although the more Refs lead reduces the more I'd rather be Blue generally speaking (as I suspect the strongest and most durable Ref growth is in Labour facing areas)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,517
    eek said:

    Back in 2024 Ryanair subjected an Austrian passenger to a 13 hour delay and then ghosted her rather than pay compensation and her costs

    So yesterday the Austrian Authorities impounded one of their planes at Linz.

    https://ooe.orf.at/stories/3345166/

    That’s one way to get their attention!

    Hopefully the judge is on holiday this week, so the plane stays stuck there for a few days.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,020
    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    The guy who got caught with a $20 hooker, when he had Elizabeth Hurley at home.
    Of course some pols had hookers home and away, though Melania and Stormy charged more than $20.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,017

    FF43 said:

    Chris Murphy Senator for Connecticut

    I was in a 2 hour briefing today on the Iran War. All the briefings are closed, because Trump can't defend this war in public.

    I obviously can't disclose classified info, but you deserve to know how incoherent and incomplete these war plans are.

    Here's what I can share. Maybe the lead is that the war goals DO NOT involve destroying Iran's nuclear weapons program. This is, uh...surprising...since Trump says over and over this is a key goal.

    But then of course we already know air strikes can't wipe out their nuclear material.

    Second, they confirmed "regime change" is also NOT on the list. So, they are going to spend hundreds of billions of your taxpayer dollars, get a whole bunch of Americans killed, and a hardline regime - probably a MORE anti-American hardline regime - will still be in charge.

    Ok, so what ARE the goals? It seems, primarily, destroying lots of missiles and boats and drone factories.

    But the question that stumped them: what happens when you stop bombing and they restart production?

    They hinted at more bombing. Which is, of course, endless war.

    And on the Strait of Hormuz, they had NO PLAN. I can't go into more detail about how Iran gums up the Strait, but suffice it say, right now, they don't know how to get it safely back open.

    Which is unforgiveable, because this part of the disaster was 100% foreseeable

    There's been an 'endless war' with Iran since 1979.

    Until now Iran has been allowed to make all the moves.
    Israel and the US have bombed Iran before, so that’s clearly not true.
    They bombed Iran last year, I don't remember any other occasion.

    So 1979-2024 Iran makes all the moves.

    2025 Israel and the USA start making their own moves.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786
    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    The guy who got caught with a $20 hooker, when he had Elizabeth Hurley at home.
    Indeed.

    He’s a good actor though, he played Jeremy Thorpe brilliantly.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    f

    Disappointed nobody has spotted the very subtle rock music pun right at the end of the header.

    Too well hidden
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,984
    Dire Straits for Nige and Kemi indeed. No wonder they no longer want to be brothers in arms with Don and Bibi.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,713

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    Yes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,364

    Disappointed nobody has spotted the very subtle rock music pun right at the end of the header.

    That's OK, you are our Brother in Arms.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,017

    Disappointed nobody has spotted the very subtle rock music pun right at the end of the header.

    I'm surprised you didn't work Brothers In Arms into the sentence.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,506

    Dire Straits for Nige and Kemi indeed. No wonder they no longer want to be brothers in arms with Don and Bibi.

    The sultans of swing are moving towards Ukraine. They realise that Trump just wants money for nothing.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,857
    IanB2 said:

    eek said:

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Surely that would have been the quickest possible solution - here you go but your son is no longer a member...

    Edit - clearly as I've got older I've reached the point where - this is what I want, what compromises do I need to give to achieve that.
    The LDs have already slid a couple of their more active/useful hereditaries into some of the few slots for new peers they've been granted recently. The Tories seem to have struck a separate deal for more slots, provided they retire the same number of their non-attending dead wood. Finding those shouldn't be that difficult.
    I chatted with one of our former hereditaries a couple of weeks ago as he came to speak to our local party at my house. Harder working than the majority of the HoL, so the party recognised that and made him a life peer.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,546
    Good morning

    I expect Kemi will take that leading all other leaders

    https://x.com/i/status/2031645406992400873
  • Keir’s ratings make a w for winner
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,345
    Scott_xP said:

    It has been a rough week in the markets. My portfolio is somewhat depleted, but no matter. To Cheltenham, where I shall undoubtedly restore my fortunes. This plan is as well thought out as the Mad King's Middle Eastern escapade...

    There are some interesting good ground Irish horses today who have been kept fresh and saved from the mud.

    1.20 Skylight Hustle and Sortudo
    2.00 Western Fold and Kocktail Divin
    4.40 Relieved of Duties

    Very tough day for punters today
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,364

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    Behave, it's one of my favourite films.

    Also it is the only Christmas film Alan Rickman starred in, in his entire career.
    Um, you forgot about Die Hard, the best Christmas movie EVER made!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,713
    nico67 said:

    DavidL said:

    Personally, I would say that Starmer has proven to be closer to my position on this than any of the leaders. If he wasn't so woolly, incoherent and inconsistent he might be doing even better.

    He should take the flack from Trump and wear it with pride, it will do him more political good than anything else he or his government has done, well, ever actually.

    My critique of Starmer and indeed the other European nations is that they have not gone far enough. They should have made it clear that there was no legal basis for this war, that it was and is a criminal act and that they disapprove of what both the US and Israel have done. After the Greenland fiasco Europe needs to stop aligning with the US by default. If they want a rules based system to survive they need to speak up for it. And that includes calling out your erstwhile friends when they act badly.

    In an ideal world that would happen , sadly there are some in Europe who maintain the delusion that if they try and maintain good relations with Trump he won’t throw Ukraine under a bus or throw further as the case maybe now .
    Over and above that, and whatever misgivings they might have, most European governments are likely not displeased to see the US and Israel sticking it to Iran.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,517
    Discussion of three incidents of projectile attacks on shipping in the Gulf overnight.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2031645364495761864

    Amid all the talk of oil tankers and container ships, I can see from my window at least three large cruise ships docked at Port Rashid in Dubai. They’ve been there for 10 days now. Must be costing someone an absolute fortune in lost revenue, even if the passengers on board have been evacuated. They’ll also need a serious naval escort to get out of the Gulf, whenever there’s agreement on when it’s safe to move.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,857
    Selebian said:

    Final note on Love, Actually

    It is an appalling film enjoyed by dreadful, dreary people. I have no words to adequately express my contempt.

    I've not seen, actually, love actually, but I have seen so many clips posted over the years that I almost feel like I have, actually.

    The thing that bugs me most is that surely there should be a comma in 'love actually', and yet there is not, actually?
    It’s been cancelled by social media for reasons mentioned here - it’s not aged well. But there is surely some artistic merit in a film that has spawned so many memes and imitations. That puts it in a problematic but iconic Rom com category alongside Pretty Woman.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,247
    Morning all :)

    Whatever the fate of polls and petrol prices, it was a wonderful opening day to the Cheltenham Festival yesterday and for a change I managed to find a couple of winners - obviously, @MoonRabbit found all seven, I imagine, or that's what I was led to believe.

    Day Two beckons and another stellar card and if you want to read my innermost cerebral musings, I post a more detailed summation of the main races on racecafe.co.nz

    I won't post all that here cos it's boring for those strange people who aren't horse racing fans and cut to the chase (or hurdle or indeed bumper) with today's selections:

    Turners Novices Hurdle: BALLYFAD

    Brown Advisory Chase: THE BIG WESTERNER (win), OSCAR'S BROTHER (each way)

    Queen Mother Champion Chase: QUILIXIOS (each way)

    Champion Bumper: KEEP HIM COMPANY
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,124

    Huzzah.

    Hereditary peers to be removed from the House of Lords after deal struck

    Agreement broke a months-long impasse over


    Sir Keir Starmer has cleared the way for removing hereditary peerages from the House of Lords after a deal was struck to offer extra spots to some of those who will lose their seats within months.

    A compromise was reached that The Times has been told will see 15 Conservative Party members of the House of Lords, whose positions were passed down by bloodline, continue as life peers.

    The agreement broke a months-long impasse over one of the biggest constitutional reforms in decades, as peers agreed to let the legislation pass its final stage without a vote on Tuesday night.

    The Lords agreed with the Commons on a final draft of the House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) bill.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-hereditary-peerages-deal-house-of-lords-mxnf60hl0

    Does this mean the HoL will be stuffed with even more retreads rejected by the voters? Sub optimal..
    Typical Starmer to choose an option for reform that is worse than the current, flawed, situation, at the same time increasing his own prerogatives.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,485
    From the BBC: "Iran's new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "safe" amid reports that he had been injured, according to the son of Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Yousef Pezeshkian writes on Telegram that he had "heard reports" that the supreme leader had been injured.

    "I asked several friends who had relevant contacts, and they said that: by the grace of God, he is safe and there is no problem," he says."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd70wzw9vqlt
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,485
    MelonB said:

    Selebian said:

    Final note on Love, Actually

    It is an appalling film enjoyed by dreadful, dreary people. I have no words to adequately express my contempt.

    I've not seen, actually, love actually, but I have seen so many clips posted over the years that I almost feel like I have, actually.

    The thing that bugs me most is that surely there should be a comma in 'love actually', and yet there is not, actually?
    It’s been cancelled by social media for reasons mentioned here - it’s not aged well. But there is surely some artistic merit in a film that has spawned so many memes and imitations. That puts it in a problematic but iconic Rom com category alongside Pretty Woman.
    Nothing problematic about Pretty Woman.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533
    If the Reform lead continues to shrink and Con/Lab stay broadly level then I'd start looking at seats where it's Con vs Lab and Ref are no longer doing well enough to come through the middle.
    The likes of Wycombe, Peterborough, Welwyn Hatfield, Banbury
    Then on to the likes of South Norfolk, Suffolk Coastal, Bury St Edmunds and Stowmarket.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,517
    Sean_F said:

    nico67 said:

    DavidL said:

    Personally, I would say that Starmer has proven to be closer to my position on this than any of the leaders. If he wasn't so woolly, incoherent and inconsistent he might be doing even better.

    He should take the flack from Trump and wear it with pride, it will do him more political good than anything else he or his government has done, well, ever actually.

    My critique of Starmer and indeed the other European nations is that they have not gone far enough. They should have made it clear that there was no legal basis for this war, that it was and is a criminal act and that they disapprove of what both the US and Israel have done. After the Greenland fiasco Europe needs to stop aligning with the US by default. If they want a rules based system to survive they need to speak up for it. And that includes calling out your erstwhile friends when they act badly.

    In an ideal world that would happen , sadly there are some in Europe who maintain the delusion that if they try and maintain good relations with Trump he won’t throw Ukraine under a bus or throw further as the case maybe now .
    Over and above that, and whatever misgivings they might have, most European governments are likely not displeased to see the US and Israel sticking it to Iran.
    It’s been building up for decades now, was always going to happen one day. Plenty of neutrals are careful what they say out loud, but the only people upset appear to be Russia and China.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786

    From the BBC: "Iran's new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "safe" amid reports that he had been injured, according to the son of Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Yousef Pezeshkian writes on Telegram that he had "heard reports" that the supreme leader had been injured.

    "I asked several friends who had relevant contacts, and they said that: by the grace of God, he is safe and there is no problem," he says."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd70wzw9vqlt

    I saw that earlier, so it was by the grace of Allah that his father died?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,364

    From the BBC: "Iran's new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "safe" amid reports that he had been injured, according to the son of Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Yousef Pezeshkian writes on Telegram that he had "heard reports" that the supreme leader had been injured.

    "I asked several friends who had relevant contacts, and they said that: by the grace of God, he is safe and there is no problem," he says."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd70wzw9vqlt

    I saw that earlier, so it was by the grace of Allah that his father died?
    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,485

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    I suspect the Greens will have a couple of more flashes in the pan

    1) After May's locals

    and

    2) When a few Labour MPs defect
    The Greens are now effectively Corbyn Labour - and more effective than Your Party. So yes, defections to the Greens from Corbyn-revering Labour would not be a surprise.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,715
    edited 9:09AM

    AnneJGP said:

    Pardon my ignorance - what is a Love Actually moment? (I know it's the name of a film.)

    The American President is a bit of a nob, so Hugh Grant, who is the PM, calls him out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJcZpvyNok
    Whilst Hugh Grant is also a nob.

    A much reviled film.
    His wiki says he is 6ft. He isn't he is 5 ft 9 tops. I stood near to him. Perhaps he didn't have his lifts in or I have grown to 6ft 4?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,239

    From the BBC: "Iran's new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "safe" amid reports that he had been injured, according to the son of Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Yousef Pezeshkian writes on Telegram that he had "heard reports" that the supreme leader had been injured.

    "I asked several friends who had relevant contacts, and they said that: by the grace of God, he is safe and there is no problem," he says."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd70wzw9vqlt

    Doesn’t sound very convincing! He spoke to a couple of mates ! Wouldn’t the President have a direct line to the supreme leader?

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,557

    From the BBC: "Iran's new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "safe" amid reports that he had been injured, according to the son of Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Yousef Pezeshkian writes on Telegram that he had "heard reports" that the supreme leader had been injured.

    "I asked several friends who had relevant contacts, and they said that: by the grace of God, he is safe and there is no problem," he says."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd70wzw9vqlt

    I saw that earlier, so it was by the grace of Allah that his father died?
    Many religious people are like that; even the smallest good things are down to their skyfairy or the result of prayer, whereas the world filled with horror and tragedy is either down to human freewill or because god was on tea break.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,605
    edited 9:14AM
    Clearly this Iran conflict has boosted Starmer somewhat, Labour is up in the polls a bit and Reform stagnating and the Tories and LDs generally slightly down and any Green surge contained and a plurality of voters thinking he is opposing them for moral reasons will boost his position. Starmer's position of allowing UK bases to be used for defensive US strike operations only is also the position of the median Labour and UK voter overall based on the More in Common poll.

    By contrast I don't think Farage's initial support for the strikes damaged him at all, given the median Reform voter wants the UK to allow its bases to be used for both defensive and offensive operations by the US and most Reform voters agree with Trump that Starmer is 'no Winston Churchill'. If anything Farage showing reservations about UK involvement in the conflict is moving him away from his more hawklike voters. Although he can also say only a quarter of Reform voters want the UK RAF to take part in the strikes themselves.

    The Greens are the only party where most of its voters say the UK should take no part in the conflict at all and not allow its bases to be used, so Polanski's position matches his voters there. The median LD and Tory voter though says the UK should allow its bases to be used for defensive operations only so Starmer is actually closer to LD and Tory voters than Davey's outright opposition to UK involvement in the conflict and Kemi's backing using the RAF to strike Iranian missile launchers is. So Starmer's poll bounce may continue if he can squeeze the LD and Conservative vote a bit further

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,978

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    I suspect the Greens will have a couple of more flashes in the pan

    1) After May's locals

    and

    2) When a few Labour MPs defect
    The Greens are now effectively Corbyn Labour - and more effective than Your Party. So yes, defections to the Greens from Corbyn-revering Labour would not be a surprise.
    With the Conservatives riding high in the opinion polls after Kemi has claimed to have called the war right and Farage having reversed himself up a one way cul de sac are we expecting Jenrick, Braverman, Rosindell, Son of Bake Off and Zahawi to come crawling home?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786
    nico67 said:

    From the BBC: "Iran's new Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei is "safe" amid reports that he had been injured, according to the son of Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian.

    Yousef Pezeshkian writes on Telegram that he had "heard reports" that the supreme leader had been injured.

    "I asked several friends who had relevant contacts, and they said that: by the grace of God, he is safe and there is no problem," he says."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd70wzw9vqlt

    Doesn’t sound very convincing! He spoke to a couple of mates ! Wouldn’t the President have a direct line to the supreme leader?

    Nah, look how Israel wiped out the leadership of Hamas.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,533

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    I suspect the Greens will have a couple of more flashes in the pan

    1) After May's locals

    and

    2) When a few Labour MPs defect
    The Greens are now effectively Corbyn Labour - and more effective than Your Party. So yes, defections to the Greens from Corbyn-revering Labour would not be a surprise.
    With the Conservatives riding high in the opinion polls after Kemi has claimed to have called the war right and Farage having reversed himself up a one way cul de sac are we expecting Jenrick, Braverman, Rosindell, Son of Bake Off and Zahawi to come crawling home?
    Like theyd take any of that shit back
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,864

    More in Common better for Labour
    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+4)
    🌳 CON 19% (nc)
    🔶 LIB DEM 13% (-1)
    🌍 GREEN 11% (-3)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)

    N = 2,112 | 6-9/3| Change w 2/03

    Greens quite the flash in the by-election pan...
    Indeed. The 'its Ref vs Green' bros are in the mud
    A bit like your prediction yougov would have Refirj second 🤣
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,546
    HYUFD said:

    Clearly this Iran conflict has boosted Starmer somewhat, Labour is up in the polls a bit and Reform stagnating and the Tories and LDs generally slightly down and any Green surge contained and a plurality of voters thinking he is opposing them for moral reasons will boost his position. Starmer's position of allowing UK bases to be used for defensive operations only is also the position of the median Labour and UK voter overall based on the More in Common poll.

    By contrast I don't think Farage's support for the War damaged him at all, given the median Reform voter wants the UK to allow its bases to be used for both defensive and offensive operations by the US and most Reform voters agree with Trump that Starmer is 'no Winston Churchill' if anything Farage showing reservations about UK involvement in the conflict is moving him away from his more hawklike voters. Although he can also say only a quarter of Reform voters want the UK RAF to take part in the strikes themselves.

    The Greens are the only party where most of its voters say the UK should take no part in the conflict at all and not allow its bases to be used, so Polanski's position matches his voters there. The median LD and Tory voter though says the UK should allow its bases to be used for defensive operations only so Starmer is actually closer to LD and Tory voters than Davey's outright opposition to UK involvement in the conflict and Kemi's backing using the RAF to strike Iranian missile launchers is. So Starmer's poll bounce may continue if he can squeeze the LD and Conservative vote a bit further

    You are a conservative and not once do you mention Kemi's poll bounce taking her ahead of all the four party leaders

    I wonder why ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,713
    HYUFD said:

    Clearly this Iran conflict has boosted Starmer somewhat, Labour is up in the polls a bit and Reform stagnating and the Tories and LDs generally slightly down and any Green surge contained and a plurality of voters thinking he is opposing them for moral reasons will boost his position. Starmer's position of allowing UK bases to be used for defensive US strike operations only is also the position of the median Labour and UK voter overall based on the More in Common poll.

    By contrast I don't think Farage's support for the War damaged him at all, given the median Reform voter wants the UK to allow its bases to be used for both defensive and offensive operations by the US and most Reform voters agree with Trump that Starmer is 'no Winston Churchill' if anything Farage showing reservations about UK involvement in the conflict is moving him away from his more hawklike voters. Although he can also say only a quarter of Reform voters want the UK RAF to take part in the strikes themselves.

    The Greens are the only party where most of its voters say the UK should take no part in the conflict at all and not allow its bases to be used, so Polanski's position matches his voters there. The median LD and Tory voter though says the UK should allow its bases to be used for defensive operations only so Starmer is actually closer to LD and Tory voters than Davey's outright opposition to UK involvement in the conflict and Kemi's backing using the RAF to strike Iranian missile launchers is. So Starmer's poll bounce may continue if he can squeeze the LD and Conservative vote a bit further

    TBH, I don’t see the distinction between offensive and defensive bombing as amounting to much, even if it helps some lawyers sleep at night.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,984

    A car crash performance from Robert Jenrick on Sky. Reform have got themselves into a complete mess over Iran.

    I'm meeting him today, what a time to be alive.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,786

    A car crash performance from Robert Jenrick on Sky. Reform have got themselves into a complete mess over Iran.

    I'm meeting him today, what a time to be alive.
    Thoughts and prayers.
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