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  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,517
    edited 10:55AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    He did. Most BBC watchers aren't zionists or fascists and many who worked in the organisation didn't agree with what they were peddaling so they left and now they've become a hollowed out shell with the likes of katie Razzell -a pretty good entertainment presenter -filling in for everyone.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200
    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    He did. Most BBC watchers aren't zionists or fascists and many who worked in the organisation didn't agree with what they were peddaling so they left and now they've got become a hollowed out shell with the likes of katie Razzell -a pretty good entertainment presenter -filling in for everyone.
    People of the hard left regard the BBC as biased to the right. People of the hard right regard the BBC as biased to the left.

    Why might that be?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,347

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    He did. Most BBC watchers aren't zionists or fascists and many who worked in the organisation didn't agree with what they were peddaling so they left and now they've got become a hollowed out shell with the likes of katie Razzell -a pretty good entertainment presenter -filling in for everyone.
    People of the hard left regard the BBC as biased to the right. People of the hard right regard the BBC as biased to the left.

    Why might that be?
    Maybe the truth is that it's neither?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,541
    Dopermean said:

    Taz said:

    FF43 said:

    The situation this morning seems to be that Donald Trump has partially calmed the oil market with vague statements about the war being a short one but Hormuz is still closed, Iran is still lobbing drones at its neighbours, and Israel is bombing Lebanon as it always does.

    Hormuz isn’t closed. Some ships still transit it. Transponders off !!
    R4 reporting that's maximum 10% of normal transits and it won't be the oil majors, it'll be the shadier par of the tanker fleet
    The Greeks, then !
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    He did. Most BBC watchers aren't zionists or fascists and many who worked in the organisation didn't agree with what they were peddaling so they left and now they've got become a hollowed out shell with the likes of katie Razzell -a pretty good entertainment presenter -filling in for everyone.
    People of the hard left regard the BBC as biased to the right. People of the hard right regard the BBC as biased to the left.

    Why might that be?
    Maybe the truth is that it's neither?
    Maybe? There are some tiresome allegations on here from certain suspects with no evidence provided.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,027

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    He did. Most BBC watchers aren't zionists or fascists and many who worked in the organisation didn't agree with what they were peddaling so they left and now they've got become a hollowed out shell with the likes of katie Razzell -a pretty good entertainment presenter -filling in for everyone.
    People of the hard left regard the BBC as biased to the right. People of the hard right regard the BBC as biased to the left.

    Why might that be?
    Just like sex in Lincolnshire, its all relative.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,347
    Sean_F said:

    a

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Brixian59 said:

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    No they were not. The Afghan War removed the Taliban and saw Bin Laden killed, it was withdrawing the troops by Biden that was the disaster and let the Taliban back in power.

    The Iraq War removed Saddam and Iraq now elects its own government. This one also killed the Ayatollah and many senior regime leaders and in the first weekend at least was a great success
    The only Iraqi I know, my dentist, says that overthrowing Saddam was a huge mistake that ruined the country. Sometimes it’s better the devil you know
    Not so sure about Sadam

    Removing Gaddafi was a huge unnecessary mistake.

    He'd actually built health and education that would put us to shame.

    Not defending his excesses but Libya is a basket case now.
    Gaddafi and his supporters were open about intending to massacre opponents in the East of the country. And, he had carried out numerous acts of war against the UK. Finally the dildo of consequences arrived for him.
    I think it was a bayonet of consequence if I recall correctly.
    An unpleasant way to go, chosen presumably, because he was a serial rapist.
    With the right sense of humour the history of people admiring hideous regimes because of imaginary benefits could make a good comedy.

    In my youth, the hard left used to declare that the East Blok was more democratic than democracy (no that’s actually what they said) because they guaranteed full employment and East Germany had free child care.

    That the full employment was forced conscription into jobs and the free child care was 2 people looking after 30 babies was ignored.

    It goes all the way back to (and beyond) Socrates rich pupils admiring Sparta. Then becoming the Thirty Tyrants.
    Unsurprisingly, both Hitler and Stalin (and generations of headmasters), admired Sparta.
    And both wanted to give the impression that their carve-up of Poland was purely, ah, "defensive".
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,637

    I'd like to have an argument, please.

    No you wouldn't.
    Our fellow-poster can have an argument if they want one!

    What about?

    (But not with me, 'cos I'm off to a Zoom lecture on Geology and Medicine in 20 minutes.)
    Blood out of a stone?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,799
    Iran apparently still lobbing munitions at their neighbours this morning.

    So, not over...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,799
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,817
    edited 11:05AM
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran apparently still lobbing munitions at their neighbours this morning.

    So, not over...

    At relatively minor cost the Middle East equivalent of Millwall can cause systematic harm to the global economy.

    So it hardly surprises me that lobbing munitions continues
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,517

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    Utter bullshit. Do you think other leaders of the BBC have not had political opinions?
    I don't think many owned the Jewish Chronicle who famously declared the IDF -after killing 25,000 children in GAZA -the most MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300

    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    He did. Most BBC watchers aren't zionists or fascists and many who worked in the organisation didn't agree with what they were peddaling so they left and now they've got become a hollowed out shell with the likes of katie Razzell -a pretty good entertainment presenter -filling in for everyone.
    People of the hard left regard the BBC as biased to the right. People of the hard right regard the BBC as biased to the left.

    Why might that be?
    Maybe the truth is that it's neither?
    Anyone looking at Robbie Gibbs CV can have no doubt why independent and inquisitive news reporting at the BBC has died.

    Gibb seeks robots who try to make the news, not report it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200
    Roger said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    Utter bullshit. Do you think other leaders of the BBC have not had political opinions?
    I don't think many owned the Jewish Chronicle who famously declared the IDF -after killing 25,000 children in GAZA -the most MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD
    Has the BBC claimed that?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    He's peeved at being totally ignored by Trump at the weekend.

    Poor Nigel
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,005
    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,005
    Wtf II

    The Honey Badger
    @Nance726
    ·
    5h
    Donald Trump has appointed Erika Kirk to help advise the Defense Department on issues affecting the academy.

    We’re in hell.

    https://x.com/Nance726/status/2031242030719045851?s=20
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,137
    Chinese exports to Germany, France and Italy are up 30+% in the first two months of the year.

    https://x.com/fbermingham/status/2031258504267182369
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    Crypto currency corruption
  • Clutch_BromptonClutch_Brompton Posts: 842
    edited 11:28AM
    Brixian59 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    He's peeved at being totally ignored by Trump at the weekend.

    Poor Nigel
    He's no Churchill. He may not even be a Johnson
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,370
    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Good Morning

    Cheltenham, Day 1

    Who is on the Mullins treble?

    I follow Andrew Asquith in the Sporting Life for racing tips, has shown a modest if consistent profit despite generally not getting on at the tipped odds and rule 4.
    I'm on PONIROS e/w in the Champion Hurdle for Mullins

    Also a few e/w touches on OLE OLE in the 2.40, BLOW YOUR WAD in the 3.20, DOWN MEMORY LANE + BOOSTER BOB in the 4.40, and ICEBERG THEORY + HOLOKEA in the 5.20

    Each Way punting to 4-5 places on big field handicaps is my bag.
    I only place win bets like my Nan. And Nan was good at winners in handicaps, that’s my ambition.
    Handicaps arn’t scary. Look at recent Grand National winners as favourites carrying top weights and having plenty left at the end, on fast ground is more of the pointer.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,347
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    isam said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    No they were not. The Afghan War removed the Taliban and saw Bin Laden killed, it was withdrawing the troops by Biden that was the disaster and let the Taliban back in power.

    The Iraq War removed Saddam and Iraq now elects its own government. This one also killed the Ayatollah and many senior regime leaders and in the first weekend at least was a great success
    The only Iraqi I know, my dentist, says that overthrowing Saddam was a huge mistake that ruined the country. Sometimes it’s better the devil you know
    Not so sure about Sadam

    Removing Gaddafi was a huge unnecessary mistake.

    He'd actually built health and education that would put us to shame.

    Not defending his excesses but Libya is a basket case now.
    Gaddafi arranged for the blowing up of an airliner over Scotland, it was Libyan rebels who removed him, the West just provided air cover
    My pet theory, which is probably completely bollocks, is that it was actually the Iranians wot did it, in revenge for the USS Vincennes shooting down Iran Air 655 over the Gulf in July 1988.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,772
    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    Beautiful example of Brandolini's law. Stated in 10 words, to disprove the assertion decisively would require vast amounts of research and even if attempted and achieved could be denied in a further 10 words of assertion.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,137
    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2031322670273282111

    BREAKING: A UK court has refused permission for a legal challenge to the government's deal with Mauritius over the Chagos Islands.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,036

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    I must admit it's two days since I looked at a petrol station. But I'm only 20 miles or so from Buxton, and petrol round here is (or was on Sunday) only 1.33 a litre. Reform's 1.46 isn't going to tempt me to Buxton.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,340

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2031322670273282111

    BREAKING: A UK court has refused permission for a legal challenge to the government's deal with Mauritius over the Chagos Islands.

    Good. Get on with it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,380
    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Why not just reopen the Roman gladiator games?

    Or would that be too close to the knuckle.

    Especially the er.. fruitier exhibitions at such games.
  • LDLFLDLF Posts: 180
    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2031322670273282111

    BREAKING: A UK court has refused permission for a legal challenge to the government's deal with Mauritius over the Chagos Islands.

    Good. Get on with it.
    Yes lets waste billions of tax payers money without proper scrutiny...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,453
    Cookie said:

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    I must admit it's two days since I looked at a petrol station. But I'm only 20 miles or so from Buxton, and petrol round here is (or was on Sunday) only 1.33 a litre. Reform's 1.46 isn't going to tempt me to Buxton.
    Forget the petrol, can they do something about the beer in Buxton?
    £5 for a 440ml can is outrageous.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,604

    Brixian59 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    He's peeved at being totally ignored by Trump at the weekend.

    Poor Nigel
    He's no Churchill. He may not even be a Johnson
    There's brazen u-turns and there's this. Off the scale!!!

    Complete transformation.

    We need to "back the Americans in this vital fight against Iran" was his original line from ten days ago.

    Will the votes buy this snake oil crap?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran apparently still lobbing munitions at their neighbours this morning.

    So, not over...

    It’s getting better, but definitely not over yet.

    One air raid siren so far today, at 8am for half an hour.

    ISW update suggests that a number of military storage areas and factories have been taken out in Iran.

    https://x.com/thestudyofwar/status/2031215763315450140
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,380
    algarkirk said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    Beautiful example of Brandolini's law. Stated in 10 words, to disprove the assertion decisively would require vast amounts of research and even if attempted and achieved could be denied in a further 10 words of assertion.

    That “X” destroyed BBC News is MAGA style talking points.

    Haven’t you had had your mobile stolen yet?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300

    Brixian59 said:

    Dopermean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Good Morning

    Cheltenham, Day 1

    Who is on the Mullins treble?

    I follow Andrew Asquith in the Sporting Life for racing tips, has shown a modest if consistent profit despite generally not getting on at the tipped odds and rule 4.
    I'm on PONIROS e/w in the Champion Hurdle for Mullins

    Also a few e/w touches on OLE OLE in the 2.40, BLOW YOUR WAD in the 3.20, DOWN MEMORY LANE + BOOSTER BOB in the 4.40, and ICEBERG THEORY + HOLOKEA in the 5.20

    Each Way punting to 4-5 places on big field handicaps is my bag.
    I only place win bets like my Nan. And Nan was good at winners in handicaps, that’s my ambition.
    Handicaps arn’t scary. Look at recent Grand National winners as favourites carrying top weights and having plenty left at the end, on fast ground is more of the pointer.
    I like the notion that a 50/1 place makes more than a 2/1 favourite and gives a lot more satisfaction.

    I return about 15% roi on average each year.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,370
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    Does it leave Kemi Badenoch as the last Gung Ho “join in the forefront with our Israel and US allies” hold out in UK politics? 🙁
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,496

    isam said:

    isam said:


    The insanity of politicians telling us that diversity is our strength, and warning of people using the problems in the Middle East to stir up trouble by dividing Muslims and Jews is gaslighting of the highest order. The fact we have imported so many people who feel deeply about what is happening in the Middle East and subcontinent is the cause of the divide. Most English people don’t care


    I posted this last night, and @foxy replied saying the polling on our involvement in war proves me wrong. I disagree, he misses my point. It’s not military intervention that people don’t care about, it’s the Middle East. If we drew a big line around that part of the world, and the subcontinent, and never mentioned them again, most people wouldn’t care less. It’s due to mass immigration that there are so many with passionate views on the problem that lead to division, so it’s an imported problem that we didn’t need. Most normal English people are happy to let the mad mullahs do what they like as long as they don’t do it here and we are not involved

    Diversity is not our strength, it is our Achilles heel

    We clearly move in different circles, but I'm encountering more people of diverse political opinions expressing worry over the Middle East than I can remember on any other topic. None of them so far have linked it to immigration - they see it as a global risk. That doesn't include anyone who is noticeably Muslim or Jewish.

    I think that, like most people who feel very strongly about one issue, you tend to link everything else to it. Most people are not sure we've got the balance right on immigration, but it's a second-order issue for most.
    I’m responding to the PM cautioning against attempts to divide ‘communities’ over the Middle Eastern war. Given that those communities, and therefore the issue he is talking about, only exist thanks to mass immigration, it’s not a stretch to link the two, it’s actually impossible not to.
    The Jewish community (which I theoretically belong to) goes back an awfully long way; the Muslim community is mostly more recent, but hardly new. Neither is monolithic on Middle East issues, and some care much more than others. My point, though, is that lots of people who aren't in either are worried by the Middle East situation, and you're mistaken if you think that not having people with Jewish or Arab backgrounds would mean that we would be cheerfully unworried.
    Yes, I am surprised at my boys being so interested in Gaza as an issue. It is why they will not vote Labour. Neither have any particular Jewish or Muslim connection, and are as completely ethnically British as it is possible to be.
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 265
    edited 11:44AM
    Cookie said:

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    I must admit it's two days since I looked at a petrol station. But I'm only 20 miles or so from Buxton, and petrol round here is (or was on Sunday) only 1.33 a litre. Reform's 1.46 isn't going to tempt me to Buxton.
    Indeed - I am a lot closer and can get better without going over the hills. Also if the price in that Sky piece is accurate you can already get cheaper fuel in Buxton - https://checkfuelprices.co.uk/search?postcode=BUXTON&fuel=E10&sort=nearest
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,502
    edited 11:46AM
    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    It’s to the credit of the UK prison services that this doesn’t happen, and inmate murders are relatively rare.

    Few public tears will be shed for any of the whole-lifers, and it would save money if they all took each other out. But we don’t do that. The State even does a good job of protecting the worst scumbags from each other.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,492
    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,576
    edited 11:51AM
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    Given 57% of Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran Farage better be careful, he might even lose some hawks back to Kemi's Tories if he goes too squeamish about backing Trump and Netanyahu's actions

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    It’s been noticed in the Gulf States, where the French - the FRENCH - were helping out militarily last week while the British were still umming and ahhing about it, along with commentary about Brits only ever being in the Middle East because they’re wealthy tax avoiders and ‘influencers’, as opposed to 250,000 of us with mostly normal jobs in the UAE alone.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,576
    Jenrick's statement 'The Iranian regime is wicked, but this war needs to come to an end as soon as possible because it is making Britain poorer.

    Reform are a party for working people, not drawn-out wars in faraway places.

    The liberal interventionists of the early 21st century failed our own people, leaving them poorer and more exposed to mass migration, not to mention the brave British men whose lives were lost. The British people have had enough of them. It’s time to be realists and put Britain first.

    That’s why Nigel Farage immediately ruled out suggestions that the UK might deploy boots on the ground. Nor do we see why British aircraft should become involved in offensive action.

    In just a matter of days, people are feeling the side effects of this conflict. The cost of filling up your car or van has already risen sharply. Those who rely on heating oil to heat their homes are feeling the pinch. And very soon household prices will rise more sharply. The fact is that the longer this war continues, the more damage it will cause to British families, businesses and manufacturers.

    We must channel Palmerston and ruthlessly pursue our national self-interest. That means being steadfast in our defence of our people and bases in the region. But it also means being clear that a prolonged conflict in the Middle East will see prices spiral here and hurt everyone in their pocket.

    The only war the Government should be waging is on the malign Iranian influence here on our own soil. The radical Imams Tehran funds. The extremism they promote. The agents they send on small boats. The IRGC needs to be proscribed, the funding cut off, and our porous borders sealed shut. Illegal migrants from Iran must be removed.

    If those egging on British military involvement in Iran were as eager to secure our border we would be a much safer country.

    And as everything becomes more expensive, Starmer should be making life easier for people. I warned the Chancellor on Tuesday that a rise in fuel duty at a time when prices are already rising by 20 per cent was a terrible idea, yet she has doubled down. So too has Ed Miliband, who refuses to grant new oil and gas licenses against all logic.

    At a time when our country is broken and in need of serious repair, we do not need distractions. Our sole interest must always be in making the British people safer and more prosperous. There is no time to waste.'
    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/2031121098969067600?s=20
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,453
    algarkirk said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    That is not strictly true. The news narrative from the BBC for example has been Starmer's treason and destruction of the "special relationship" because he egregiously refused Donnie's demands.

    The BBC do this because they want the story and a long drawn out, destructive conflict story is a great story. Some viewers still believe BBC News to be reliable, hence their support for war. GeeBeebies and Nick Ferrari on the other hand just follow the aroma of Trump without questioning why and their viewers and listeners fall into line.
    It's a mistake to believe that the BBC has that sort of influence.There have been a lot of studies about how people form their opinions and the best I read was it's like a bird builds its nest. Little bits are added and when it's put together it's difficult to shift. People are more likely to change their newspaper than change their opinion to that of the newspaper. GB News are preaching to the choir.. That's why advertising is such a tricky business. People won't believe what they don't believe!
    Robbie Gibb appointment destroyed BBC as a credible news outlet
    Beautiful example of Brandolini's law. Stated in 10 words, to disprove the assertion decisively would require vast amounts of research and even if attempted and achieved could be denied in a further 10 words of assertion.

    Happy to accept a brief, factually-supported defence of Gibb, if you can manage one or source one? Perhaps SeanT has written one?

    There's plenty of criticism from mild to highly...

    https://goodallandgoodluck.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-impartiality-at-the

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2025/11/28/the-man-who-broke-the-bbc
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,748
    edited 11:55AM
    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,576
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Why they were put in a workshop together though is beyond me?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,340

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2031322670273282111

    BREAKING: A UK court has refused permission for a legal challenge to the government's deal with Mauritius over the Chagos Islands.

    Good. Get on with it.
    Yes lets waste billions of tax payers money without proper scrutiny...
    It's been scrutinised to death. Time to close it out. The reasons for doing it are as valid as ever. Let's grow a pair and Get Chagos Done.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,347
    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
    "'The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by observing its prisoners.' Dostoevsky said that, after doing a little time."
    - John Cusack in Con Air
  • eekeek Posts: 32,817
    The worlds first telephone call was made 150 years ago today
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,821

    Cookie said:

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    I must admit it's two days since I looked at a petrol station. But I'm only 20 miles or so from Buxton, and petrol round here is (or was on Sunday) only 1.33 a litre. Reform's 1.46 isn't going to tempt me to Buxton.
    Indeed - I am a lot closer and can get better without going over the hills. Also if the price in that Sky piece is accurate you can already get cheaper fuel in Buxton - https://checkfuelprices.co.uk/search?postcode=BUXTON&fuel=E10&sort=nearest
    So a gimmick that can't be cheap, gets uncomfortably close to the old offence of treating the electorate and fails on its own terms?

    How very on-brand.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200
    eek said:

    The worlds first telephone call was made 150 years ago today

    How did they know which number to call? Was there a directory already in existence?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,347
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2031322670273282111

    BREAKING: A UK court has refused permission for a legal challenge to the government's deal with Mauritius over the Chagos Islands.

    Good. Get on with it.
    Yes lets waste billions of tax payers money without proper scrutiny...
    It's been scrutinised to death. Time to close it out. The reasons for doing it are as valid as ever. Let's grow a pair and Get Chagos Done.
    Get Chexit Done!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,005

    Cookie said:

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    I must admit it's two days since I looked at a petrol station. But I'm only 20 miles or so from Buxton, and petrol round here is (or was on Sunday) only 1.33 a litre. Reform's 1.46 isn't going to tempt me to Buxton.
    Indeed - I am a lot closer and can get better without going over the hills. Also if the price in that Sky piece is accurate you can already get cheaper fuel in Buxton - https://checkfuelprices.co.uk/search?postcode=BUXTON&fuel=E10&sort=nearest
    Nigel & Reform bullshitting? Who'd have thunk!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,917
    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Why they were put in a workshop together though is beyond me?
    I think prisoners in danger have the option of segregation, which amounts to solitary confinement. It's not seen as a pleasant option. I don't know why he didn't do that
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    So it’s now acceptable to be stalking a woman online and in real life, just because you don’t like her?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,748
    Sandpit said:

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    So it’s now acceptable to be stalking a woman online and in real life, just because you don’t like her?
    No.

    She’s just realised saying stuff on social media has consequences and it’s not just hurty woods.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,227
    Reform arguing against something that was never on the table !

    Given their core vote is low information thick voters they might believe that ridiculous press release !
  • eekeek Posts: 32,817
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Why they were put in a workshop together though is beyond me?
    I think prisoners in danger have the option of segregation, which amounts to solitary confinement. It's not seen as a pleasant option. I don't know why he didn't do that
    The story I’ve heard is that he enjoyed bullying others and that this time Huntley picked the wrong person on the wrong day
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,005
    edited 12:06PM

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    eek said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Why they were put in a workshop together though is beyond me?
    I think prisoners in danger have the option of segregation, which amounts to solitary confinement. It's not seen as a pleasant option. I don't know why he didn't do that
    The story I’ve heard is that he enjoyed bullying others and that this time Huntley picked the wrong person on the wrong day
    In a maximum security prison’s lifer wing, there’s going to be an awful lot of wrong people and wrong days.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,380

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    She really has put effort into proving Cameron’s comments concerning Twitter to be correct
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,975

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
    "'The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by observing its prisoners.' Dostoevsky said that, after doing a little time."
    - John Cusack in Con Air
    One of my all time favourite films.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,917

    Sandpit said:

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    So it’s now acceptable to be stalking a woman online and in real life, just because you don’t like her?
    No.

    She’s just realised saying stuff on social media has consequences and it’s not just hurty woods.
    Ah, the "hurty woods". No doubt dark and deep, and with strange rustlings and sharp teeth. "Woooo" (makes ghosty noise). "The hurty woods, the hurty woods...beware the hurty woods"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,651
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    isam said:


    The insanity of politicians telling us that diversity is our strength, and warning of people using the problems in the Middle East to stir up trouble by dividing Muslims and Jews is gaslighting of the highest order. The fact we have imported so many people who feel deeply about what is happening in the Middle East and subcontinent is the cause of the divide. Most English people don’t care


    I posted this last night, and @foxy replied saying the polling on our involvement in war proves me wrong. I disagree, he misses my point. It’s not military intervention that people don’t care about, it’s the Middle East. If we drew a big line around that part of the world, and the subcontinent, and never mentioned them again, most people wouldn’t care less. It’s due to mass immigration that there are so many with passionate views on the problem that lead to division, so it’s an imported problem that we didn’t need. Most normal English people are happy to let the mad mullahs do what they like as long as they don’t do it here and we are not involved

    Diversity is not our strength, it is our Achilles heel

    We clearly move in different circles, but I'm encountering more people of diverse political opinions expressing worry over the Middle East than I can remember on any other topic. None of them so far have linked it to immigration - they see it as a global risk. That doesn't include anyone who is noticeably Muslim or Jewish.

    I think that, like most people who feel very strongly about one issue, you tend to link everything else to it. Most people are not sure we've got the balance right on immigration, but it's a second-order issue for most.
    I’m responding to the PM cautioning against attempts to divide ‘communities’ over the Middle Eastern war. Given that those communities, and therefore the issue he is talking about, only exist thanks to mass immigration, it’s not a stretch to link the two, it’s actually impossible not to.
    The Jewish community (which I theoretically belong to) goes back an awfully long way; the Muslim community is mostly more recent, but hardly new. Neither is monolithic on Middle East issues, and some care much more than others. My point, though, is that lots of people who aren't in either are worried by the Middle East situation, and you're mistaken if you think that not having people with Jewish or Arab backgrounds would mean that we would be cheerfully unworried.
    Yes, I am surprised at my boys being so interested in Gaza as an issue. It is why they will not vote Labour. Neither have any particular Jewish or Muslim connection, and are as completely ethnically British as it is possible to be.
    They don’t need any religious connections to recognise an evil, violent, bullying regime. You and Mrs. F have brought them up well.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,005

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,734
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    Rather leaden footed from Nigel and I doubt many will be convinced, but it was probably the only option open to him. For elements of the British Right to adopt the strange and shifting pronouncements of Donald Trump as some kind of guiding philosophy is beginning to look like a misstep.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,380

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
    "'The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by observing its prisoners.' Dostoevsky said that, after doing a little time."
    - John Cusack in Con Air
    One of my all time favourite films.
    On any other day, that would seem strange…
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,380
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    So it’s now acceptable to be stalking a woman online and in real life, just because you don’t like her?
    No.

    She’s just realised saying stuff on social media has consequences and it’s not just hurty woods.
    Ah, the "hurty woods". No doubt dark and deep, and with strange rustlings and sharp teeth. "Woooo" (makes ghosty noise). "The hurty woods, the hurty woods...beware the hurty woods"
    Watch out for The Big Bad Mouse
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,917
    eek said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Why they were put in a workshop together though is beyond me?
    I think prisoners in danger have the option of segregation, which amounts to solitary confinement. It's not seen as a pleasant option. I don't know why he didn't do that
    The story I’ve heard is that he enjoyed bullying others and that this time Huntley picked the wrong person on the wrong day
    I have sympathy for people who walk unaware onto a land mine. I have less sympathy for people who run into minefield then jump up and down going "Do you like that, landmine? Do ya, do ya? What you going to do about it? Are you gonna cry?".
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,310
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:



    Good morning

    Opinion will ebb and flow as will the crisis

    I do think labour have problems on the left

    Despite the anti Kemi sentiment on here I have yet to see any evidence it has affected her ratings, the conservatives are a different question

    What you don't get is that nobody cares what she thinks. She's a warmonger. End of interest. Compare with Zack who is actually saying what the public are thinking.
    LOL
    The Greens would be a disaster

    https://x.com/cutmytaxuk/status/2030967737116459060?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ
    ""The Green party would over­see a vast increase in tax­a­tion & pub­lic spend­ing," notes the FT in an analysis of the Greens' barmy policy agenda.

    "The party’s mani­festo pledges would increase taxes by over £170bn per year, includ­ing a £90bn car­bon tax per year, to fund a £160bn boost to day-to-day pub­lic spend­ing on things like the NHS." There would be wealth taxes on assets over £10m, doubling of CGT & NI levied on investment income. People wouldn't stick around in the UK.

    There would also be a huge increase in welfare spending from an unlimited expansion in immigration. The FT quotes even the leftist IPPR think-tank as saying that Green policies would “rad­ic­ally increase migra­tion to Bri­tain”, & that “there would basic­ally be no restric­tions at all”. Another leftist outfit, the IFS, says borrowing would have to increase by £80bn.."

    Not massively appealing.
    But this who believe they have no stake in society might think 'why not ?'.
    A Green government would be a disaster, if Polanski became PM to misquote the Sun in 1992 it really would be a case of 'if Polanski wins would the last person to leave the UK please turn out the lights!'
    The Greens would be delighted by the energy savings.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,978

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    That tweet makes more sense without "skinned"
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Screeching 180 from Reform leader Farage who’s gone from Trumpian “Bomb the Islamists” to “We cannot get involved directly in another foreign war, we don’t have a Navy, we can’t even defend our own military base in Cyprus” overnight.

    He’s seen the polling showing the public don’t support the war.

    Rather leaden footed from Nigel and I doubt many will be convinced, but it was probably the only option open to him. For elements of the British Right to adopt the strange and shifting pronouncements of Donald Trump as some kind of guiding philosophy is beginning to look like a misstep.
    Meanwhile Kemikazie lives up to her name. .

    Claiming she is protecting soldiers and armed forces by sending them to an unnecessary war that the vast majority of people don't want us to join is bizarre to say the least.

    She truly lost the plot on this.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,027

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
    There is plenty of harm in putting bacon through Mosque letterboxes.

    It is a waste of good bacon.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,200

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
    Someone posted about different cultures having different senses of humour. I can find a joke about drowned Pakistanis both funny and a horrific event at the same time. Its a poor taste joke. Many people make them. Most police, fire service, ambulance service etc encounter things most of us would never have too, such as the car accident my dad attended when a football rolled out of a crashed car on opening the door. Except it wasn't a football... Jokes are about coping sometimes.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,310

    Wtf...

    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Reform are subsidising prices at a petrol station in Buxton to promote their proposal to cut fuel duty in the wake of the Iran War - more on @skynews
    later

    https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2031307186123547066?s=20

    It is very important for both Reform and the Tories to make very clear to the public that energy price shocks happen, but their impact on household incomes and the economy is due to Net Zero policies. They need to hammer it. It is an explodable lie, when our energy prices are already four times the price of the US, to absolve Net Zero.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,772
    Sandpit said:

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    So it’s now acceptable to be stalking a woman online and in real life, just because you don’t like her?
    Nice example of assertion by question, making an implication, but not an accusation, that the comment responded to enshrined an objectionable belief when it did no such thing.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,604
    Hegseth: America is “winning”
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300
    HYUFD said:

    Jenrick's statement 'The Iranian regime is wicked, but this war needs to come to an end as soon as possible because it is making Britain poorer.

    Reform are a party for working people, not drawn-out wars in faraway places.

    The liberal interventionists of the early 21st century failed our own people, leaving them poorer and more exposed to mass migration, not to mention the brave British men whose lives were lost. The British people have had enough of them. It’s time to be realists and put Britain first.

    That’s why Nigel Farage immediately ruled out suggestions that the UK might deploy boots on the ground. Nor do we see why British aircraft should become involved in offensive action.

    In just a matter of days, people are feeling the side effects of this conflict. The cost of filling up your car or van has already risen sharply. Those who rely on heating oil to heat their homes are feeling the pinch. And very soon household prices will rise more sharply. The fact is that the longer this war continues, the more damage it will cause to British families, businesses and manufacturers.

    We must channel Palmerston and ruthlessly pursue our national self-interest. That means being steadfast in our defence of our people and bases in the region. But it also means being clear that a prolonged conflict in the Middle East will see prices spiral here and hurt everyone in their pocket.

    The only war the Government should be waging is on the malign Iranian influence here on our own soil. The radical Imams Tehran funds. The extremism they promote. The agents they send on small boats. The IRGC needs to be proscribed, the funding cut off, and our porous borders sealed shut. Illegal migrants from Iran must be removed.

    If those egging on British military involvement in Iran were as eager to secure our border we would be a much safer country.

    And as everything becomes more expensive, Starmer should be making life easier for people. I warned the Chancellor on Tuesday that a rise in fuel duty at a time when prices are already rising by 20 per cent was a terrible idea, yet she has doubled down. So too has Ed Miliband, who refuses to grant new oil and gas licenses against all logic.

    At a time when our country is broken and in need of serious repair, we do not need distractions. Our sole interest must always be in making the British people safer and more prosperous. There is no time to waste.'
    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/2031121098969067600?s=20

    Utter drivel

    Any rise in fuel duty is not until September.

    Interesting too the boss of Octopus pointed out no one need pay more for electricity either until at least July if on the right tariffs
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,978

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
    Someone posted about different cultures having different senses of humour. I can find a joke about drowned Pakistanis both funny and a horrific event at the same time. Its a poor taste joke. Many people make them. Most police, fire service, ambulance service etc encounter things most of us would never have too, such as the car accident my dad attended when a football rolled out of a crashed car on opening the door. Except it wasn't a football... Jokes are about coping sometimes.
    Someone told me a highly inappropriate joke about the Burj Khalifa the other day. It was wrong on so many levels...
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300
    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
    What's civil about mass murder, rape, child abuse.

    Haven't they lost the right to civility
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,370
    edited 12:24PM

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Noted. And we can carry on being polite about this debate.

    You are both wrong, because despite your desperate spin to save this situation saying Kemi and Starmer in identical position, Badenoch and her team have spent ten days doing the absolute opposite pointing up her differentials with Labours position, in her speeches She was talking about Labour these days being unpatriotic. In the commons she told Starmer he got it wrong saying no to what our allies asked for, and interviews she angrily said this



    To add to it was your own awful abuse of both HY and the Head of UK armed forces - for saying our runways are only being used for defensive missions against what Iran is firing at other countries. You called everyone Naïve for believing that was the case. You admit this was spin on your part, the evidence was against you?

    Your spin, desperate at times, that the two parties rhetoric and position is identical, actually shows that you agree with us, she got it wrong.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,005

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
    There is plenty of harm in putting bacon through Mosque letterboxes.

    It is a waste of good bacon.
    Pretty sure these people would use the cheap stuff.
    More or less harmful than putting it through a synagogue letterbox?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Spinning or what.

    Kemi is on completely the wrong side of public opinion.

    Her comments this morning have dug the hole deeper still.

    She has no off button.

    Totally out of control.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,492
    edited 12:27PM
    Does anyone think abolishing jury trials for many offences is a good idea?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    Selebian said:

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
    Someone posted about different cultures having different senses of humour. I can find a joke about drowned Pakistanis both funny and a horrific event at the same time. Its a poor taste joke. Many people make them. Most police, fire service, ambulance service etc encounter things most of us would never have too, such as the car accident my dad attended when a football rolled out of a crashed car on opening the door. Except it wasn't a football... Jokes are about coping sometimes.
    Someone told me a highly inappropriate joke about the Burj Khalifa the other day. It was wrong on so many levels...
    163 levels?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,502
    Brixian59 said:

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Spinning or what.

    Kemi is on completely the wrong side of public opinion.

    Her comments this morning have dug the hole deeper still.

    She has no off button.

    Totally out of control.
    Yawn
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,137
    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2031345380181385366

    Vladimir Putin's popularity ratings, as measured by a state-aligned pollster, are at their lowest point for years. Russian commentators blame the 'bad boyars' around Putin and say that "there's complete degradation all around" in Russia.

    The pollster VTsIOM has recorded Putin's popularity at 32.1%, the lowest seen during the war so far (though still some way off his pre-war nadir of 24%, recorded in 2021). Russian bloggers are not surprised, though few blame Putin himself and instead blame his advisors
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498
    Brixian59 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
    What's civil about mass murder, rape, child abuse.

    Haven't they lost the right to civility
    Which is why it’s a credit to the British State that they still treat people as humans, even when the scumbags have abdicated themselves from society.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,137
    Sandpit said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    'A prison inmate has been charged with the murder of Soham killer Ian Huntley, police have said.

    Anthony Russell, 43, will appear at Newton Aycliffe Magistrates' Court via video link on Wednesday, a spokesman for Durham Constabulary said.' Though given Russell is already serving a whole life order not really any sentence they can add further
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg8ll4l7d9o

    In a way it’s a little surprising that this doesn’t happen more often.

    If you put a group of the worst scumbags in the country in one place, those who are never getting out, they have little to lose by going for each other.

    Russell committed three murders, one of which was preceded by rape, in 2020. One more murder makes no difference to him.
    Stick 200 of the worst rats in a mega high security prison

    Ease solitary and offer the last one standing a pardon.

    Rinse and repeat

    Ease overcrowding
    Doesn't sound very civilised to me.
    What's civil about mass murder, rape, child abuse.

    Haven't they lost the right to civility
    Which is why it’s a credit to the British State that they still treat people as humans, even when the scumbags have abdicated themselves from society.
    It's more humane to execute someone than to lock them up with someone who will bash their skull in.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,370
    Brixian59 said:

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Spinning or what.

    Kemi is on completely the wrong side of public opinion.

    Her comments this morning have dug the hole deeper still.

    She has no off button.

    Totally out of control.
    Oh no 🤦‍♀️. I haven’t heard her this morning, I have been studying form, what has she said now?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,498

    https://x.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/2031345380181385366

    Vladimir Putin's popularity ratings, as measured by a state-aligned pollster, are at their lowest point for years. Russian commentators blame the 'bad boyars' around Putin and say that "there's complete degradation all around" in Russia.

    The pollster VTsIOM has recorded Putin's popularity at 32.1%, the lowest seen during the war so far (though still some way off his pre-war nadir of 24%, recorded in 2021). Russian bloggers are not surprised, though few blame Putin himself and instead blame his advisors

    “Russia is collapsing” news has been a little light on the ground in the past few weeks, with other things going on in the world, but it’s definitely happening in the background. They’re up to about 500 km^2 of territory lost as well, Feb was the first month in three years the Ukranians had net territorial gains.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,300
    Brixian59 said:

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Spinning or what.

    Kemi is on completely the wrong side of public opinion.

    Her comments this morning have dug the hole deeper still.

    She has no off button.

    Totally out of control.
    How can the Tories attack Labour with a straight face when in 14 years to July 2024 they reduced defence spending by 22%,hollowed out all Services, recruitment, procurement.

    To compound this they let Armed Forces Housing to rot, allowed veterans to rot.

    Never in British history has so much wilful damage been done to our Armed Forces and Global reputation by so few.

    These disastrous policies will take a decade to correct.

    The Tories are shameful and treacherous on this issue.

    If Badenoch had one slither or decency backbone contrition or respect she would apologise and apologise daily.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,953
    Roger said:

    ydoethur said:

    With the Afghan war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With the Iraq war, it was well planned and long prepared.

    It was a fucking disaster.

    With this one, it's been done on the spur of the moment because Netanyahu's popularity was tanking and Trump urgently needed a distraction from the Epstein files and the references to forcing a 13-year-old girl to perform oral sex on him. It has not been planned, and it has not been prepared.

    It has been a much bigger fucking disaster, and we're only a week in.

    The amazing thing is that anyone supports it. It just shows how little attention most people pay to the news.

    Is that 13 year old girl story new?
    It is all a bit cloak and dagger from the DOJ for obvious reasons. I am assuming it is new from 2019 FBI interviews, rather than Katie Johnson who was allegedly paid off and allegedly the case sealed from before the 2016 Presidential Election.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,978
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Guess who wrote this on Twitter?

    Im going to lock my account for a while.

    All joking aside, as thick skinned as I am a certain someone’s behaviour is deeply disturbing and is making me really uneasy,


    Yes, Lucy Connolly.

    https://x.com/lucytcwife/status/2028098651696816256?s=46

    I found her 'I want to punch my kid cos they're annoying me' tweet deeply disturbing. Perhaps she's feeling uneasy because that someone has reported her to child services.
    Do you have kids? As much as you love them they can be incredibly annoying too and you may well tweet something like that with no intention of ever hurting your loved one.
    Bit like jokes about drowned Pakistanis and putting bacon through mosque letterboxes I suppose, just a bit of a laugh, no harm done.
    Someone posted about different cultures having different senses of humour. I can find a joke about drowned Pakistanis both funny and a horrific event at the same time. Its a poor taste joke. Many people make them. Most police, fire service, ambulance service etc encounter things most of us would never have too, such as the car accident my dad attended when a football rolled out of a crashed car on opening the door. Except it wasn't a football... Jokes are about coping sometimes.
    Someone told me a highly inappropriate joke about the Burj Khalifa the other day. It was wrong on so many levels...
    163 levels?
    I'll bow to your local(?) knowledge on that!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,502

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Noted. And we can carry on being polite about this debate.

    You are both wrong, because despite your desperate spin to save this situation saying Kemi and Starmer in identical position, Badenoch and her team have spent ten days doing the absolute opposite pointing up her differentials with Labours position, in her speeches She was talking about Labour these days being unpatriotic. In the commons she told Starmer he got it wrong saying no to what our allies asked for, and interviews she angrily said this



    To add to it was your own awful abuse of both HY and the Head of UK armed forces - for saying our runways are only being used for defensive missions against what Iran is firing at other countries. You called everyone Naïve for believing that was the case. You admit this was spin on your part, the evidence was against you?

    Your spin, desperate at times, that the two parties rhetoric and position is identical, actually shows that you agree with us, she got it wrong.
    On your bike

    I do not agree with you on this

    Defensive v offensive arguments are semantics

    Is allowing US B1 aircraft with upto 28 cruise missiles to take off from Fairford and drop them in Iran defensive or offensive

    @HYUFD and I disagree on many things but to say it is abuse is idiotic nonsense when you see some of the abuse on here and if you like your own demeaning comments on Kemi

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,310
    Brixian59 said:

    LDLF said:

    The main point on which Starmer and Badenoch publicly disagreed was on whether we should have allowed the USA the use of UK bases when asked. Starmer appears internally to have taken the same 'deranged, warmongering, X-brained' view as Badenoch on this, but was outvoted by the cabinet.

    In any event, UK bases were still attacked, and our ability to defend our own territory, as well as to assist countries we are supposed to be close to (the Gulf States and the Europeans, most notably Cyprus) has been shown to be inadequate, which - needless to say - appears to have damaged our diplomatic reputation among those countries - a blunder for a Prime Minister who prides himself on his foreign policy acumen. This is where the opposition needs to focus its criticism - not on whether we should have supported a conflict that was happening anyway, but whether we have responded well to the fallout.

    Sensible post and agree

    Suggest @MoonRabbit takes note
    Spinning or what.

    Kemi is on completely the wrong side of public opinion.

    Her comments this morning have dug the hole deeper still.

    She has no off button.

    Totally out of control.
    If only she could be more like Starmer, then maybe one day she too can have the same approval ratings as incurable anal warts.
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