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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,932
    edited 3:59PM
    Oh Nigel!

    Maybe the fact he got blanked by the Mango Mussolini redeems him.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 234
    Trump is toxic.
    Cosying up is not a good look.

    However, there needs to be a way to talk about policy and ideas that do align with him without going all TDS
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Farage's star is setting. Again.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    OMG.

    Max Verstappen is going to be driving for Mercedes this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/articles/cr5lj3lg857o
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 234
    wooliedyed said:

    Farage's star is setting. Again.

    Do Reform need to replace him?
    Or is he too tied to the brand?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 234
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    Was hoping we could leave Venn/Euler behind in the prior thread.

    Sigh
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 234
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OMG.

    Max Verstappen is going to be driving for Mercedes this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/articles/cr5lj3lg857o

    Naughty, you made me look...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    Sweeney74 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OMG.

    Max Verstappen is going to be driving for Mercedes this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/articles/cr5lj3lg857o

    Naughty, you made me look...
    It is factually true.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 234
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OMG.

    Max Verstappen is going to be driving for Mercedes this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/articles/cr5lj3lg857o

    Naughty, you made me look...
    It is factually true.
    True in the same way “I drive a Ferrari” is true because I once sat in one at a showroom.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Sweeney74 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Farage's star is setting. Again.

    Do Reform need to replace him?
    Or is he too tied to the brand?
    No Nigel no cry?
    Nah, we have already seen Tice Reform and its 3 council seats in 2024........
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,066
    edited 4:20PM
    Average Reform council by election vote this year = 26.8%. 7 wins out of 24 seats.

    The selection of council by-elections has been fairly non-metropolitan but with 2 or 3 posh wards - but overall doesn't strike me as radically unrepresentative.

    Definitely another straw in the wind that they could be off their recent peak.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,261
    Sweeney74 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Farage's star is setting. Again.

    Do Reform need to replace him?
    Or is he too tied to the brand?
    He's invested 250k ish in Kwasi Kwarteng bitcoin company.

    Is KK joining Reform

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,312
    Trump madness: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-aides-too-afraid-to-take-off-the-145-shoes-he-keeps-buying-them/ (may need factchecking!)
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,355
    edited 4:21PM
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    williamglenn said:

    Inspiring stuff.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2030952994733179302

    Keir Starmer warns that the longer the Iran conflict goes on, the greater the impact on the domestic economy.

    "You will sense I think, that the longer this goes on, the more likely the potential for an impact on our economy, impact into the lives and households of everybody and every business.

    “And our job is to get ahead of that, to look around the corner, assess the risk, monitor the risks, and work with others in relation to that.”

    File under "PM Insights: No Shit, Sherlock..."

    "Get ahead of that". Try firing Ed Miliband. Oh you can't, because then he'd be working to unseat you as PM.
    Why would he fire Ed Miliband whose renewables vision will save the UK whilst Kemi and Farage lick Trumps oily ass
    Ed is ridiculously blinkered.
    It's the oil and gas dinosaurs who are blinkered.

    Yep let's start drilling... Wait 5 years and sell it where?

    International market

    Oh hang on.
    Are you really so stupid that you ignore the billions of tax revenue the government would and should receive over the next 20 years

    Explain why Norway good - UK bad
    The Norwegian oil and gas industry is not fully nationalized, but it is heavily controlled by the state through a hybrid model. The state owns all resource rights, holds a 67% stake in Equinor, and maintains direct financial interests in fields and infrastructure via Petoro. Oil revenues are channeled into a sovereign wealth fund, which held an estimated $1.2 trillion in assets by 2020, intended to benefit the nation long-term. It set this fund up in 1990. By that point UK had already privatised its Oil and Gas from North Sea in Lady Thatchers visionally scheme that nearly tripled the number of individual shareholders in UK, and made us the successful share owning democracy we are today.
    However, a bit of a downside, while UK and Norway have produced similar total volumes of oil and gas over the years, their financial outcomes differ by quite a bit. In 2018, for example, Norway generated roughly 34 times more oil tax revenue than the UK. It varies year to year, but UK had only been making about 3 or 4 billion recently. The reason why it’s hot political argument is if we do nothing, no new “drilling” government income drops to only about £300M by the end of this decade. But, the reason it’s not a cut and dried argument to drill, even if we do what Farage and Kemi demand, it will only bring in an extra £1.5B a year, this is because of all the tax breaks required in order to to make it happen. In fact some economists argue it won’t even make extra revenue for UK, but a loss.
    Hope this helps give some sort of answer to that question.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,257
    Pro_Rata said:

    Average Reform council by election vote this year = 26.8%. 7 wins out of 24 seats.

    Looks like they could be off their peak - the selection of council by-elections has been fairly non-metropolitan but with 2 or 3 post wards - but overall doesn't strike me as radically unrepresentative.

    Definitely another straw in the wind that they are off their recent peak.

    A simple analysis of national poll results suggests they peaked in October. But it's still more of a plateau than a peak IMHO.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,261
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    OMG.

    Max Verstappen is going to be driving for Mercedes this year.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/motorsport/articles/cr5lj3lg857o

    He'd lap Russell and Antonelli in an equal car
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,331
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.
    "FAKE NEWS from the RADICAL LEFT LUNATIC Bartholomew!"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,475
    Thankfully a quiet day in Dubai.

    Suggestions that the enemy is now out of ammunition.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2030974755776635328
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    kinabalu said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You're sliding into what I can only describe as performative truculence.
    Wanting the Iranian regime to fall is neither performative nor truculent, just because you don't agree with it.

    I agree with every word the German Chancellor says here, is he being performatively truculent too?

    Friedrich Merz has called for a speedy change of government in Iran, saying: "The sooner the mullah regime stops, the sooner this war will be over."

    The German chancellor says: "Iran is the centre of international terrorism and this centre must be shut down and the Americans and Israelis are doing that in their own way."

    He also says the war could have "repercussions" on the German economy, the largest in Europe, and says his government is "doing everything we can to increase our independence in energy policy".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz0g2yg3579t?post=asset:47aaaca9-756c-49d4-8a2b-f2b9b7aeb7cb#post
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,732
    Nigel will want the Bell Hotel legal shenanigans to hit the media again. It's an iron law of politics that this subject - and indeed many, many others - can only be fantastic news for Reform.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Pro_Rata said:

    Average Reform council by election vote this year = 26.8%. 7 wins out of 24 seats.

    The selection of council by-elections has been fairly non-metropolitan but with 2 or 3 posh wards - but overall doesn't strike me as radically unrepresentative.

    Definitely another straw in the wind that they could be off their recent peak.

    Gosport, Amber Valley, Ynys Mon, Durham, Tamworth the 40% plus votes, max 46% in Amber Valley. Braintree and Horsley Derbyshire the only other 2 over 30%
    Nowhere near 2025s performamce imo
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,121
    Sandpit said:

    Thankfully a quiet day in Dubai.

    Suggestions that the enemy is now out of ammunition.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2030974755776635328

    The oil price has quickly dropped back as well. People hoping for a major humilation for Trump may end up being disappointed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    williamglenn said:

    Inspiring stuff.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2030952994733179302

    Keir Starmer warns that the longer the Iran conflict goes on, the greater the impact on the domestic economy.

    "You will sense I think, that the longer this goes on, the more likely the potential for an impact on our economy, impact into the lives and households of everybody and every business.

    “And our job is to get ahead of that, to look around the corner, assess the risk, monitor the risks, and work with others in relation to that.”

    File under "PM Insights: No Shit, Sherlock..."

    "Get ahead of that". Try firing Ed Miliband. Oh you can't, because then he'd be working to unseat you as PM.
    Why would he fire Ed Miliband whose renewables vision will save the UK whilst Kemi and Farage lick Trumps oily ass
    Ed is ridiculously blinkered.
    It's the oil and gas dinosaurs who are blinkered.

    Yep let's start drilling... Wait 5 years and sell it where?

    International market

    Oh hang on.
    Are you really so stupid that you ignore the billions of tax revenue the government would and should receive over the next 20 years

    Explain why Norway good - UK bad
    The Norwegian oil and gas industry is not fully nationalized, but it is heavily controlled by the state through a hybrid model. The state owns all resource rights, holds a 67% stake in Equinor, and maintains direct financial interests in fields and infrastructure via Petoro. Oil revenues are channeled into a sovereign wealth fund, which held an estimated $1.2 trillion in assets by 2020, intended to benefit the nation long-term. It set this fund up in 1990. By that point UK had already privatised its Oil and Gas from North Sea in Lady Thatchers visionally scheme that nearly tripled the number of individual shareholders in UK, and made us the successful share owning democracy we are today.
    However, a bit of a downside, while UK and Norway have produced similar total volumes of oil and gas over the years, their financial outcomes differ by quite a bit. In 2018, for example, Norway generated roughly 34 times more oil tax revenue than the UK. It varies year to year, but UK had only been making about 3 or 4 billion recently. The reason why it’s hot political argument is if we do nothing, no new “drilling” government income drops to only about £300M by the end of this decade. But, the reason it’s not a cut and dried argument to drill, even if we do what Farage and Kemi demand, it will only bring in an extra £1.5B a year, this is because of all the tax breaks required in order to to make it happen. In fact some economists argue it won’t even make extra revenue for UK, but a loss.
    Hope this helps give some sort of answer to that question.
    The person on here who is the expert is @Richard_Tyndall and he is the one to ask

    I would just say Norway is fortunate to have so much hydro power
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,355
    edited 4:36PM
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    Quite a simple yes/no question for you. If Trump pulls up the anchor this week, and his boats sail home proclaiming victory - Bibi now secure to win his approaching election and Trump family richer from Saudi gifts, as US tax payer pays for the big blast on Iran and it proxy’s - leaving it sort of obvious they never had much intent or detailed planning at regime change… will this make a complete mug out of you?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,732
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Thankfully a quiet day in Dubai.

    Suggestions that the enemy is now out of ammunition.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2030974755776635328

    The oil price has quickly dropped back as well. People hoping for a major humilation for Trump may end up being disappointed.
    Don't we have Donald's hated allies and international institutions to thank for that?
  • eekeek Posts: 32,803
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Nigel will want the Bell Hotel legal shenanigans to hit the media again. It's an iron law of politics that this subject - and indeed many, many others - can only be fantastic news for Reform.

    1/3 councilors up for election in May. You can see why the council is appealing - they need to make sure Reform haven’t got an attack issue
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    MoonRabbit said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    Quite a simple yes/no question for you. If Trump pulls up the anchor this week, and his boats sail home proclaiming victory - Bibi now secure to win his approaching election and Trump family richer from Saudi gifts, as US tax payer pays for the big blast on Iran and it proxy’s - leaving it sort of obvious they never had much intent or detailed planning at regime change… will this make a complete mug out of you?
    No.

    I have said consistently I have zero faith in Trump and would not be surprised, merely annoyed, if he were to TACO before the job is done.

    I have said consistently I do not support Trump.

    Believing the Mullahs should be defeated and believing in Trump are two completely different things. I have no faith, or support, in Trump.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,242
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    Removing Mullahs- definitely a good thing. However this is a war of choice, and the choice has been made by Trump, recklessly unprepared, so I fear that there are few good outcomes from this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,121
    Stark_Dawning said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Thankfully a quiet day in Dubai.

    Suggestions that the enemy is now out of ammunition.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2030974755776635328

    The oil price has quickly dropped back as well. People hoping for a major humilation for Trump may end up being disappointed.
    Don't we have Donald's hated allies and international institutions to thank for that?
    No, it was Donald's timely tweet that did the trick. "Only fools would think differently."
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    Removing Mullahs- definitely a good thing. However this is a war of choice, and the choice has been made by Trump, recklessly unprepared, so I fear that there are few good outcomes from this.
    I don't disagree with any of that.

    I would have more faith if this were a war being launched by practically any other POTUS ever . . . And with the support of the UK and other allies who could push for the right agenda to be followed.

    However that is not the case and we are where we are.

    And the war I would prefer is not an option, so a reckless Trump initiated war or no war at all . . . Well sadly the former is all that is available to us to see the removal of the Mullahs being even a possibility.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,690
    wooliedyed said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Average Reform council by election vote this year = 26.8%. 7 wins out of 24 seats.

    The selection of council by-elections has been fairly non-metropolitan but with 2 or 3 posh wards - but overall doesn't strike me as radically unrepresentative.

    Definitely another straw in the wind that they could be off their recent peak.

    Gosport, Amber Valley, Ynys Mon, Durham, Tamworth the 40% plus votes, max 46% in Amber Valley. Braintree and Horsley Derbyshire the only other 2 over 30%
    Nowhere near 2025s performamce imo
    https://electionmaps.uk/byelections-since-le2025

    Reform have averaged 27.2%, in local by-elections since May 2025. I don’t consider a fall to 26.8% since 1st January to be statistically significant. Last Thursday, they averaged 29% across five contests.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    3 B52s landed at Fairford earlier to definitely not use that base to strike Iran from
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    Sean_F said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    Removing Mullahs- definitely a good thing. However this is a war of choice, and the choice has been made by Trump, recklessly unprepared, so I fear that there are few good outcomes from this.
    If Trump were offered a sweet enough kickback by the Iranian dictatorship, he would take it.

    I’d be a lot more sanguine if this war was being directed by Obama or Biden, or Bush senior.
    Same here.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Sean_F said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Average Reform council by election vote this year = 26.8%. 7 wins out of 24 seats.

    The selection of council by-elections has been fairly non-metropolitan but with 2 or 3 posh wards - but overall doesn't strike me as radically unrepresentative.

    Definitely another straw in the wind that they could be off their recent peak.

    Gosport, Amber Valley, Ynys Mon, Durham, Tamworth the 40% plus votes, max 46% in Amber Valley. Braintree and Horsley Derbyshire the only other 2 over 30%
    Nowhere near 2025s performamce imo
    https://electionmaps.uk/byelections-since-le2025

    Reform have averaged 27.2%, in local by-elections since May 2025. I don’t consider a fall to 26.8% since 1st January to be statistically significant. Last Thursday, they averaged 29% across five contests.
    On Thursday they had elections in a ward they hold, Essex, Kent and Tamworth, all strong areas and Stroud and they barely beat their average since LE 2025.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,448
    wooliedyed said:

    3 B52s landed at Fairford earlier to definitely not use that base to strike Iran from

    Doing early morning bird surveys in Oxfordshire, I used to see them returning to Fairford early morning from Serbia.

    Quite sobering thinking they had been out over Europe dropping huge loads of bombs.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,672
    wooliedyed said:

    3 B52s landed at Fairford earlier to definitely not use that base to strike Iran from

    Proving once again that the US doesn't need the UK in support of their war effort.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    edited 4:54PM
    wooliedyed said:

    Sean_F said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Average Reform council by election vote this year = 26.8%. 7 wins out of 24 seats.

    The selection of council by-elections has been fairly non-metropolitan but with 2 or 3 posh wards - but overall doesn't strike me as radically unrepresentative.

    Definitely another straw in the wind that they could be off their recent peak.

    Gosport, Amber Valley, Ynys Mon, Durham, Tamworth the 40% plus votes, max 46% in Amber Valley. Braintree and Horsley Derbyshire the only other 2 over 30%
    Nowhere near 2025s performamce imo
    https://electionmaps.uk/byelections-since-le2025

    Reform have averaged 27.2%, in local by-elections since May 2025. I don’t consider a fall to 26.8% since 1st January to be statistically significant. Last Thursday, they averaged 29% across five contests.
    On Thursday they had elections in a ward they hold, Essex, Kent and Tamworth, all strong areas and Stroud and they barely beat their average since LE 2025.
    In fact if we re ran LE 2025 today i think Reform would be in minority control of several of their majority councils
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,332
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    Removing Mullahs- definitely a good thing. However this is a war of choice, and the choice has been made by Trump, recklessly unprepared, so I fear that there are few good outcomes from this.
    I don't disagree with any of that.

    I would have more faith if this were a war being launched by practically any other POTUS ever . . . And with the support of the UK and other allies who could push for the right agenda to be followed.

    However that is not the case and we are where we are.

    And the war I would prefer is not an option, so a reckless Trump initiated war or no war at all . . . Well sadly the former is all that is available to us to see the removal of the Mullahs being even a possibility.
    A bad war is better than no war? - I don't think we want the world to be operating on that basis.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,448
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    williamglenn said:

    Inspiring stuff.

    https://x.com/pippacrerar/status/2030952994733179302

    Keir Starmer warns that the longer the Iran conflict goes on, the greater the impact on the domestic economy.

    "You will sense I think, that the longer this goes on, the more likely the potential for an impact on our economy, impact into the lives and households of everybody and every business.

    “And our job is to get ahead of that, to look around the corner, assess the risk, monitor the risks, and work with others in relation to that.”

    File under "PM Insights: No Shit, Sherlock..."

    "Get ahead of that". Try firing Ed Miliband. Oh you can't, because then he'd be working to unseat you as PM.
    Why would he fire Ed Miliband whose renewables vision will save the UK whilst Kemi and Farage lick Trumps oily ass
    Ed is ridiculously blinkered.
    It's the oil and gas dinosaurs who are blinkered.

    Yep let's start drilling... Wait 5 years and sell it where?

    International market

    Oh hang on.
    Are you really so stupid that you ignore the billions of tax revenue the government would and should receive over the next 20 years

    Explain why Norway good - UK bad
    The Norwegian oil and gas industry is not fully nationalized, but it is heavily controlled by the state through a hybrid model. The state owns all resource rights, holds a 67% stake in Equinor, and maintains direct financial interests in fields and infrastructure via Petoro. Oil revenues are channeled into a sovereign wealth fund, which held an estimated $1.2 trillion in assets by 2020, intended to benefit the nation long-term. It set this fund up in 1990. By that point UK had already privatised its Oil and Gas from North Sea in Lady Thatchers visionally scheme that nearly tripled the number of individual shareholders in UK, and made us the successful share owning democracy we are today.
    However, a bit of a downside, while UK and Norway have produced similar total volumes of oil and gas over the years, their financial outcomes differ by quite a bit. In 2018, for example, Norway generated roughly 34 times more oil tax revenue than the UK. It varies year to year, but UK had only been making about 3 or 4 billion recently. The reason why it’s hot political argument is if we do nothing, no new “drilling” government income drops to only about £300M by the end of this decade. But, the reason it’s not a cut and dried argument to drill, even if we do what Farage and Kemi demand, it will only bring in an extra £1.5B a year, this is because of all the tax breaks required in order to to make it happen. In fact some economists argue it won’t even make extra revenue for UK, but a loss.
    Hope this helps give some sort of answer to that question.
    The person on here who is the expert is @Richard_Tyndall and he is the one to ask

    I would just say Norway is fortunate to have so much hydro power
    I have related this story before, but Norway owes a vast amount of its wealth to hosting a slap up meal for the British team in the 60s negotaiting the esoteric question of where the Norwegian-UK border should be drawn.

    After the brandy, our team graciously conceded the border could be where Norway had proposed.

    What they gave up was where most of the Norwegian fields were discovered.

    To think of the NHS we could have had...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,672
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Thankfully a quiet day in Dubai.

    Suggestions that the enemy is now out of ammunition.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2030974755776635328

    The oil price has quickly dropped back as well. People hoping for a major humilation for Trump may end up being disappointed.
    FTSE 100 has plummeted, and has closed....


    ...higher than it was at the end of January.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,120
    MarqueeMark said:

    wooliedyed said:

    3 B52s landed at Fairford earlier to definitely not use that base to strike Iran from

    Doing early morning bird surveys in Oxfordshire, I used to see them returning to Fairford early morning from Serbia.

    Quite sobering thinking they had been out over Europe dropping huge loads of bombs.
    More sobering thinking of the genocide they stopped. I was in Bosnia last year and there are huge graveyards in the centre of every large town with hundreds or thousands of uniform graves all with dates of death of 1992-95. Overwhelmingly men in their 20s and 30s. No doubt similar in Kosovo.

    It was the only language Milsoevic and the Serbs (eventually) understood.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,498
    Interesting 'News Agents' today. They seem to think in all likelyhood Starmer will be PM at the next election and the spat with Trump has moved the dial in his favour. Lews Goodall who is the best of them seems to rate Starmer very highly.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/live-q-a-iran-trump-and-no-d-ck-energy/id1640878689?i=1000753650671
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,366
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    Quite a simple yes/no question for you. If Trump pulls up the anchor this week, and his boats sail home proclaiming victory - Bibi now secure to win his approaching election and Trump family richer from Saudi gifts, as US tax payer pays for the big blast on Iran and it proxy’s - leaving it sort of obvious they never had much intent or detailed planning at regime change… will this make a complete mug out of you?
    No.

    I have said consistently I have zero faith in Trump and would not be surprised, merely annoyed, if he were to TACO before the job is done.

    I have said consistently I do not support Trump.

    Believing the Mullahs should be defeated and believing in Trump are two completely different things. I have no faith, or support, in Trump.
    I have great faith in Trump.

    His stupidity, criminal cupidity and racist narcissism combined with an attention span of a fly - all things you can bet on. He is incredibly reliable by that metric.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Roger said:

    Interesting 'News Agents' today. They seem to think in all likelyhood Starmer will be PM at the next election and the spat with Trump has moved the dial in his favour. Lews Goodall who is the best of them seems to rate Starmer very highly.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/live-q-a-iran-trump-and-no-d-ck-energy/id1640878689?i=1000753650671

    Gone by Spring BH then
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,498
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    kinabalu said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You're sliding into what I can only describe as performative truculence.
    Wanting the Iranian regime to fall is neither performative nor truculent, just because you don't agree with it.

    I agree with every word the German Chancellor says here, is he being performatively truculent too?

    Friedrich Merz has called for a speedy change of government in Iran, saying: "The sooner the mullah regime stops, the sooner this war will be over."

    The German chancellor says: "Iran is the centre of international terrorism and this centre must be shut down and the Americans and Israelis are doing that in their own way."

    He also says the war could have "repercussions" on the German economy, the largest in Europe, and says his government is "doing everything we can to increase our independence in energy policy".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz0g2yg3579t?post=asset:47aaaca9-756c-49d4-8a2b-f2b9b7aeb7cb#post
    You're possibly the only person I've read who is more ignorant and childish than Trump
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,355
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    dixiedean said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    You cannot be so naive to believe that surely
    BigG, another of your good questions I gave an answer to, but you probably missed it quite sensibly gone to bed. You asked How "Defensive Only" is Policed and proven.

    In such a technological age, it’s not too difficult to see through the fog of war on these things - hence the US knew it had killed all the schoolgirls in that one attack… until Trump claimed it was Iran what done it.
    Bottom line, you wrre not just calling HY naive, Saudi Arabia and Oman and Turkey were at the time in exactly same place as Starmer’s Defensive Only, And Head of UK Military was asked the question at weekend if he is sure US are sticking to it, and he answered yes, 100%.

    specific mission departing receives approval to ensure it aligns with the agreed "defensive" mandate. It’s then monitored in numerous ways.

    * Intelligence and Surveillance (ISR): Host nations use their own intelligence assets to monitor the types of aircraft, munitions, and flight plans of U.S. forces leaving their bases.
    * Air Traffic Control (ATC): Host country military personnel in control towers can track the flight paths and destinations of aircraft to ensure they are not heading for unauthorized targets.
    * Operational Liaison Officers: Joint operations centers often feature liaison officers from the host nation who monitor real-time operations and verify that they comply with the agreed restrictions.

    Why cheat and wind up relations even more. There’s got to be a long list and lots of work on defensive targets - missile infrastructure that threatens regional allies - to get through anyway?

    They really arn’t that naive. And stop calling them Shirley.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    Roger said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    kinabalu said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You're sliding into what I can only describe as performative truculence.
    Wanting the Iranian regime to fall is neither performative nor truculent, just because you don't agree with it.

    I agree with every word the German Chancellor says here, is he being performatively truculent too?

    Friedrich Merz has called for a speedy change of government in Iran, saying: "The sooner the mullah regime stops, the sooner this war will be over."

    The German chancellor says: "Iran is the centre of international terrorism and this centre must be shut down and the Americans and Israelis are doing that in their own way."

    He also says the war could have "repercussions" on the German economy, the largest in Europe, and says his government is "doing everything we can to increase our independence in energy policy".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cz0g2yg3579t?post=asset:47aaaca9-756c-49d4-8a2b-f2b9b7aeb7cb#post
    You're possibly the only person I've read who is more ignorant and childish than Trump
    Maybe address Merz comments or do you think Merz is ignorant and childish ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,331
    wooliedyed said:

    3 B52s landed at Fairford earlier to definitely not use that base to strike Iran from

    Love Shack baby!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    dixiedean said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    You cannot be so naive to believe that surely
    BigG, another of your good questions I gave an answer to, but you probably missed it quite sensibly gone to bed. You asked How "Defensive Only" is Policed and proven.

    In such a technological age, it’s not too difficult to see through the fog of war on these things - hence the US knew it had killed all the schoolgirls in that one attack… until Trump claimed it was Iran what done it.
    Bottom line, you wrre not just calling HY naive, Saudi Arabia and Oman and Turkey were at the time in exactly same place as Starmer’s Defensive Only, And Head of UK Military was asked the question at weekend if he is sure US are sticking to it, and he answered yes, 100%.

    specific mission departing receives approval to ensure it aligns with the agreed "defensive" mandate. It’s then monitored in numerous ways.

    * Intelligence and Surveillance (ISR): Host nations use their own intelligence assets to monitor the types of aircraft, munitions, and flight plans of U.S. forces leaving their bases.
    * Air Traffic Control (ATC): Host country military personnel in control towers can track the flight paths and destinations of aircraft to ensure they are not heading for unauthorized targets.
    * Operational Liaison Officers: Joint operations centers often feature liaison officers from the host nation who monitor real-time operations and verify that they comply with the agreed restrictions.

    Why cheat and wind up relations even more. There’s got to be a long list and lots of work on defensive targets - missile infrastructure that threatens regional allies - to get through anyway?

    They really arn’t that naive. And stop calling them Shirley.
    Allowing B1s to fly from Fairford with upto 28 cruise missiles dropped in Iran is somehow defensive ?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,448
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    Thankfully a quiet day in Dubai.

    Suggestions that the enemy is now out of ammunition.

    https://x.com/modgovae/status/2030974755776635328

    The oil price has quickly dropped back as well. People hoping for a major humilation for Trump may end up being disappointed.
    Likely the Iranian ballistic missiles have been significantly degraded, which seems justified by the falling numbers. The launchers and storage are easier to hit than the shaheed drones, which can be launched from a truck and stashed in a garage. Whether these can close the Straits of Hormuz will be the issue.

    Much of Iran's radar coverage will have been lost. Easier to target large immoveable hydrocarbon facilities in Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi than moving vessels. The Patriot batteries should have been in place protecting these before the first strikes.

    More examples of piss-poor planning.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,355
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Keir Starmer should order the RAF to bomb Trumps Golf Courses.

    By order of The Peaky Fucking Blinders

    Apparently his golf course in Dubai was hit
    That left a hole in one 😇

    I’ll be back tomorrow. I’m really busy. I’m going to distribute some new lick blocks before it’s too dark in the field's.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,672
    MoonRabbit said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Keir Starmer should order the RAF to bomb Trumps Golf Courses.

    By order of The Peaky Fucking Blinders

    Apparently his golf course in Dubai was hit
    That left a hole in one 😇

    I’ll be back tomorrow. I’m really busy. I’m going to distribute some new lick blocks before it’s too dark in the field's.
    The missile must have traveled a fair way.


    (Golf in Dubai - bloody big bunkers!)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    The previous thread was praising her.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,504
    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    Is it good for Kemi?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,355
    On topic - I have Farage in the Vance type of MAGA thinking against such wars of choice. Why? Over the days of this war Farage slowly carefully explained as such to us, he has not been trying to put himself and his Party as being central and relevant by being opposite to Labours position, as the Conservatives have been trying to make UK domestic politics clear blue water out of it..

    Farage has certainly not been shooting off “beyond the pale” things like Kemi has.

    If the Tory’s are going backwards in the polls, this is why >


  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,261
    MoonRabbit said:

    On topic - I have Farage in the Vance type of MAGA thinking against such wars of choice. Why? Over the days of this war Farage slowly carefully explained as such to us, he has not been trying to put himself and his Party as being central and relevant by being opposite to Labours position, as the Conservatives have been trying to make UK domestic politics clear blue water out of it..

    Farage has certainly not been shooting off “beyond the pale” things like Kemi has.

    If the Tory’s are going backwards in the polls, this is why >


    43% of Tory Voters in You Gov Poll oppose Kemi support for Trump

    Thats extinction level
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,261
    Gallowgate said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    Is it good for Kemi?
    43% of Tory Voters somewhat or strongly oppose her position.

    Thats eye watering.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Gallowgate said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    Is it good for Kemi?
    Im not sure its either good or bad.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,839
    This will worry Bart

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2031054362127061428?s=61
  • Jim_the_LurkerJim_the_Lurker Posts: 262
    I do not consider myself a war or foreign affairs type - hence barely commented on the latest escapades in the Middle East. However, as much as getting rid of Khamenei is a cause for celebration - if you’ve just replaced him with the son how is this a better outcome for ordinary Iranians? If we assume Trump isn’t about to put boots on the ground to fight IRGC - whatever comes next could be as bad as what was there a month ago. They may have even softened up the state to allow a civil rebellion (although not sure Arab spring led to too many flourishing democracies).

    I get that US/Israel have bombed Iran (and will keep bombing it) in such a way that it is less likely to pose a traditional military threat in the region. That is a positive. But, not sure that will put them off from other asymmetric activity in the future.

    So I just cannot see the point in all this blood and treasure being spilt. I just can’t decide whether this is going to end up more like Syria (same b@stards in charge but weaker) or Libya (different competing b@stards in charge)

    As odd as Venezuela was - arrest Maduro but leave the VP in charge - at least you can see some sort of point (if you squinted and believed the VP was somehow different from Maduro). In addition, it hit Cuba (and Russia, and China). I cannot get my head around the Iran adventure yet.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    edited 5:31PM
    Brixian59 said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    On topic - I have Farage in the Vance type of MAGA thinking against such wars of choice. Why? Over the days of this war Farage slowly carefully explained as such to us, he has not been trying to put himself and his Party as being central and relevant by being opposite to Labours position, as the Conservatives have been trying to make UK domestic politics clear blue water out of it..

    Farage has certainly not been shooting off “beyond the pale” things like Kemi has.

    If the Tory’s are going backwards in the polls, this is why >


    43% of Tory Voters in You Gov Poll oppose Kemi support for Trump

    Thats extinction level
    It would be if they were all basing their votes on this one temporary issue, lol
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,498
    wooliedyed said:

    Farage's star is setting. Again.

    I've heard of stars rising but setting is a new one.! Is it good or bad?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    edited 5:27PM
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    The previous thread was praising her.
    Was it bollocks, lol
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    Taz said:

    This will worry Bart

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2031054362127061428?s=61

    I am not worried about @BartholomewRoberts but hope US and Israel are looking at a ramp off

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    The previous thread was praising her.
    Was it bollocks
    It was pointing out her improving ratings.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Roger said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Farage's star is setting. Again.

    I've heard of stars rising but setting is a new one.! Is it good or bad?
    That depends on your view of Farage, Roger
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    The previous thread was praising her.
    Was it bollocks
    It was pointing out her improving ratings.
    Thats not praise, thats statistics
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    Abramovich lawyers ready to fight Starmer to keep control of £2.35bn Chelsea money

    Russian billionaire’s counsel fires back following Government’s ultimatum in December to ‘pay up now’ or face court

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2026/03/09/abramovich-lawyers-ready-fight-starmer-for-chelsea-money/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,004
    edited 5:32PM
    I had no idea the old Glasgow Central Station was so magnificent. A beautiful Victorian pile

    What a tragic loss. and even worse if Glasgow is now obliged to endure some modernist piece of shite

    The city council must be FORCED to rebuild it, as it was, brick by brick
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,540
    MarqueeMark said:

    wooliedyed said:

    3 B52s landed at Fairford earlier to definitely not use that base to strike Iran from

    Doing early morning bird surveys in Oxfordshire, I used to see them returning to Fairford early morning from Serbia.

    Quite sobering thinking they had been out over Europe dropping huge loads of bombs.
    And certainly an expensive way to go surveying for birds?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,817
    wooliedyed said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    On topic - I have Farage in the Vance type of MAGA thinking against such wars of choice. Why? Over the days of this war Farage slowly carefully explained as such to us, he has not been trying to put himself and his Party as being central and relevant by being opposite to Labours position, as the Conservatives have been trying to make UK domestic politics clear blue water out of it..

    Farage has certainly not been shooting off “beyond the pale” things like Kemi has.

    If the Tory’s are going backwards in the polls, this is why >


    43% of Tory Voters in You Gov Poll oppose Kemi support for Trump

    Thats extinction level
    It would be if they were all basing their voted on this one temporary issue, lol
    Partly, it depends on how temporary it is. A competent Labour spin operation (yes, I know, but stick with me) will blame everything unpleasant that happens now on Trump's War That Badenoch Supported. It might not save Labour, but that sort of thing sticks a bit.

    More generally, it's another reminder that Kemi B has terrible judgement and is hopelessly X-brained.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,437
    Stuartinromford said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    On topic - I have Farage in the Vance type of MAGA thinking against such wars of choice. Why? Over the days of this war Farage slowly carefully explained as such to us, he has not been trying to put himself and his Party as being central and relevant by being opposite to Labours position, as the Conservatives have been trying to make UK domestic politics clear blue water out of it..

    Farage has certainly not been shooting off “beyond the pale” things like Kemi has.

    If the Tory’s are going backwards in the polls, this is why >


    43% of Tory Voters in You Gov Poll oppose Kemi support for Trump

    Thats extinction level
    It would be if they were all basing their voted on this one temporary issue, lol
    Partly, it depends on how temporary it is. A competent Labour spin operation (yes, I know, but stick with me) will blame everything unpleasant that happens now on Trump's War That Badenoch Supported. It might not save Labour, but that sort of thing sticks a bit.

    More generally, it's another reminder that Kemi B has terrible judgement and is hopelessly X-brained.
    The economic fall out will have far more effect than who gave what degree of support when. And that will impact the government as CoL gets worse and worse.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,292
    The way the word "mullahs" is used on here as pejorative synechdoche for the Iranian regime is grotesquely Islamophobic.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    edited 5:41PM
    Stuartinromford said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Brixian59 said:

    MoonRabbit said:

    On topic - I have Farage in the Vance type of MAGA thinking against such wars of choice. Why? Over the days of this war Farage slowly carefully explained as such to us, he has not been trying to put himself and his Party as being central and relevant by being opposite to Labours position, as the Conservatives have been trying to make UK domestic politics clear blue water out of it..

    Farage has certainly not been shooting off “beyond the pale” things like Kemi has.

    If the Tory’s are going backwards in the polls, this is why >


    43% of Tory Voters in You Gov Poll oppose Kemi support for Trump

    Thats extinction level
    It would be if they were all basing their voted on this one temporary issue, lol
    Partly, it depends on how temporary it is. A competent Labour spin operation (yes, I know, but stick with me) will blame everything unpleasant that happens now on Trump's War That Badenoch Supported. It might not save Labour, but that sort of thing sticks a bit.

    More generally, it's another reminder that Kemi B has terrible judgement and is hopelessly X-brained.
    Ultimately the blame will fall on the government as it did with the conservatives over Ukraine

    However, anybody sane must want it to stop and hopefully the middle east states will broker a deal

    Apparently the US is the least affected nation due to its unlimited natural resources
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,734
    Dura_Ace said:

    The way the word "mullahs" is used on here as pejorative synechdoche for the Iranian regime is grotesquely Islamophobic.

    You're dealing with the people who were convinced the Iranians would nuke Jerusalem until it was pointed out it was the third holiest site in Islam.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,004
    Dura_Ace said:

    The way the word "mullahs" is used on here as pejorative synechdoche for the Iranian regime is grotesquely Islamophobic.

    What would you prefer, you spavined old mullah-fucker?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    Taz said:

    This will worry Bart

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/2031054362127061428?s=61

    Oh FFS!

    If Netanyahu wants the Islamic Regime to survive then he is an even bigger fool than I already thought he was.

    I hope that report is wrong.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,629
    Leon said:

    I had no idea the old Glasgow Central Station was so magnificent. A beautiful Victorian pile

    What a tragic loss. and even worse if Glasgow is now obliged to endure some modernist piece of shite

    The city council must be FORCED to rebuild it, as it was, brick by brick

    I wouldn't have had you down as a clinging-to-the-past type. I'd just have them rebuild it well, and perhaps not worry about all the disabled ramps and whatever else it is that handicaps them from doing so. Some of these locations represent art as much as functionality. (Although I'd be very keen that no actual artists should be involved (they know fuck all about art).
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    The way the word "mullahs" is used on here as pejorative synechdoche for the Iranian regime is grotesquely Islamophobic.

    You're dealing with the people who were convinced the Iranians would nuke Jerusalem until it was pointed out it was the third holiest site in Islam.
    I don't think that would put them off.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,219
    rottenborough said:


    Bruno Maçães
    @MacaesBruno

    The US abandoned Ukraine, insulted every European country, threatened to invade Spain and Greenland. In return Europe offered to help America’s mad war and mitigate its consequences. We are clearly insane

    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/2031043343640076451

    Most European politicians seem to think that if they told Trump to get lost then he’d abandon Ukraine !

    Which of course he’s already done !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,004
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I had no idea the old Glasgow Central Station was so magnificent. A beautiful Victorian pile

    What a tragic loss. and even worse if Glasgow is now obliged to endure some modernist piece of shite

    The city council must be FORCED to rebuild it, as it was, brick by brick

    I wouldn't have had you down as a clinging-to-the-past type. I'd just have them rebuild it well, and perhaps not worry about all the disabled ramps and whatever else it is that handicaps them from doing so. Some of these locations represent art as much as functionality. (Although I'd be very keen that no actual artists should be involved (they know fuck all about art).
    What? I've been ranting on about the awfulness of 90% of modern architecture since the PB Year Zero

    Personally, I'd make architects and planners rebuild every single town they devastated from 1950-1990. With their bare hands. For no money. And if they are dead, make their kids do it. And their kids. And their kids, Unto the 9th generation. Also anyone leftwing
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,498
    Zelenski wants to join the war against Iran.

    Not a smart move I'd have thought
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,790
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    The what and the how are different.

    Merz is correct int he what

    This is not the how
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,498
    Gallowgate said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    Is it good for Kemi?
    Kemi's problem is she follows the right wing press. Its all there in the 'News Agents'

    Didn't Lewis Goodall used to post here?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,121
    Roger said:

    Zelenski wants to join the war against Iran.

    Not a smart move I'd have thought

    It's fast becoming World Special Military Operation One.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    John Healey opens the debate in the HOC

    Iran threatenes us all

    We took steps from January, weeks before this action began to reposition typhoons, F35s, drone teams, radar and defence in the region

    We do not work alone, but we are leading and co-ordinating our response with our NATO allies and partners including the US other nations and the Gulf States
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,629
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    I had no idea the old Glasgow Central Station was so magnificent. A beautiful Victorian pile

    What a tragic loss. and even worse if Glasgow is now obliged to endure some modernist piece of shite

    The city council must be FORCED to rebuild it, as it was, brick by brick

    I wouldn't have had you down as a clinging-to-the-past type. I'd just have them rebuild it well, and perhaps not worry about all the disabled ramps and whatever else it is that handicaps them from doing so. Some of these locations represent art as much as functionality. (Although I'd be very keen that no actual artists should be involved (they know fuck all about art).
    What? I've been ranting on about the awfulness of 90% of modern architecture since the PB Year Zero

    Personally, I'd make architects and planners rebuild every single town they devastated from 1950-1990. With their bare hands. For no money. And if they are dead, make their kids do it. And their kids. And their kids, Unto the 9th generation. Also anyone leftwing
    And rebuild the old building? The facade must live up to its ancestor (and that doesn't mean in any way the same) but otherwise let it rip. It was hardly a treasure if it had a vape shop.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,743
    70% of Britons see Reform UK as pro-Trump

    But so far all that has done is keep them to the late 20s and early 30s. Can it push them further? IDK, a lot of people really want to vote for someone other than Labour or Tory. Who else if the Greens are not appealing?

    The LDs? Never heard of them, but also not really viable for someone wanting something 'non-establishment'.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,366
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    The way the word "mullahs" is used on here as pejorative synechdoche for the Iranian regime is grotesquely Islamophobic.

    You're dealing with the people who were convinced the Iranians would nuke Jerusalem until it was pointed out it was the third holiest site in Islam.
    Out of curiosity, what is the correct way to refer to a theological oligarchy that explicitly reserves power to senior clerics?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,013
    StillWaters said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    Cicero said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    bondegezou said:

    9 days in, the most basic question about the Iran war remains unanswered
    In just over a week, Trump and top administration officials have given at least 17 different responses about why the war began

    https://popular.info/p/9-days-in-the-most-basic-question

    Not unreasonable.

    Many things worth doing have many reasons why they are worth doing.

    That there are so many valid reasons why this war is happening is further proof that it is a good idea, not proof that it is a bad one.
    You really are off your head, aren't you? The Trump administration has no plan at all, and no means of achieving any of its stated aims. Far from a victorious march to victory, what is most likely to happen is that after a highly disruptive few weeks of conflict, an unstable truce is put in place with none of Trump's aims achieved whatsoever, but at a cost of several trillion dollars, not to mention the shattering of the illusory security of countries in the GCC and a long term economic downturn- not to mention the benefits to Russia.

    The abject incompetence of Trump may bring the benefit that the GOP are utterly trashed at the midterms, but then we will have 2 years of infantile bluster from the emasculated Trump, which- granted- is better than he actually retains any power, but will be an abject humiliation for the USA and the West in general.
    No I am not off my head, yes I agree that the Trump administration is useless.

    I agree with German Chancellor Merz that the fall of the Iranian regime is required. Is Merz off his head?

    If Trump TACOs out then I will oppose that and not be too surprised. Hopefully Bibi prevents him from reverting to form and TACOing out.

    I would be utterly delighted to see the GOP trashed at the midterms.

    On a Venn diagram I am in the intersection of "despises Trump" and "supports this war".
    The what and the how are different.

    Merz is correct int he what

    This is not the how
    Give me a better how.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,477
    Roger said:

    Gallowgate said:

    wooliedyed said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    wooliedyed said:

    UK opposition increases
    https://x.com/i/status/2031053634344018151

    Poor Kemi.
    You think everything is bad for Kemi.
    Is it good for Kemi?
    Kemi's problem is she follows the right wing press. Its all there in the 'News Agents'

    Didn't Lewis Goodall used to post here?
    Lewis Goodall - that well known lefty ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,743
    Roger said:

    Zelenski wants to join the war against Iran.

    Not a smart move I'd have thought

    Iran is intimately involved with helping the Russians and he needs to do all he can to please the USA or they screw him over more than Trump already has - sounds reasonably smart to me, from the very difficult perspective they are in.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,121
    https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2031063148933881915

    Footage of a United Arab Emirates Air Force F-16E engaging an Iranian attack drone at low level over Al Mamzar Beach in Dubai.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,301
    williamglenn said:

    Roger said:

    Zelenski wants to join the war against Iran.

    Not a smart move I'd have thought

    It's fast becoming World Special Military Operation One.
    A bit like the Boxer Rebellion. A bizzare coalition of nations crashing around defending their own particular national interests. I've always found it fascinating that about a decade later many of those nations were at war with each other.
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