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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,965

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    I wonder how the right wing tabloids. Farage and Kemi are feeling about their calls for us to back these idiots unconditionally as to do otherwise might damage the "special relationship" ?

    A craven and utterly foolish display.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,228
    Scott_xP said:

    Battlebus said:

    Morning all. Has anyone seen Nigel?

    The Mad King ghosted him
    Donald told him to go to the usual place!

    Nigel is stuck on Epstein Island!

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,965
    Battlebus said:

    Morning all. Has anyone seen Nigel?

    Farage is probably somewhere up Trump's colon.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,119
    edited 7:49AM
    "Those Know Your Customer, Anti-Money Laundering and Politically Exposed Persons rules don’t seem to be working as they ought."

    Nobody who knows anything about business ever thought they would.

    It was completely obvious that the motivated and wealthy will always find ways around such rules, while ordinary people and businesses are hugely inconvenienced.

    But governments need to be seen to be "doing something", no matter how pointless, badly thought through and counter-productive, to control the "narrative". Their ministers get to preen at international conferences. And their lawyers think that, whatever the problem, more law or regulation is always the solution.

    And the public, or the few who actually find work worthwhile, get to pick up the ever higher bills for the ever-growing and ever-more-failing state.
  • Surely this latest war is just more evidence we need to stop importing energy which surely means more renewables? How can anyone disagree.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,630
    Fishing said:

    "Those Know Your Customer, Anti-Money Laundering and Politically Exposed Persons rules don’t seem to be working as they ought."

    Nobody who knows anything about business ever thought they would.

    It was completely obvious that the motivated and wealthy will always find ways around such rules, while ordinary people and businesses are hugely inconvenienced.

    But governments need to be seen to be "doing something", no matter how pointless, badly thought through and counter-productive, to control the "narrative". Their ministers get to preen at international conferences. And their lawyers think that, whatever the problem, more law or regulation is always the solution.

    And the public, or the few who actually find work worthwhile, get to pick up the ever higher bills for the ever-growing and ever-more-failing state.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Fishing, this is starting to come in with the joys of ID verification to 'protect the kids'.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,788

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    Israel wants a very different result from attacking Iran than Trump wants.

    Which is a problem because for Israel an ongoing war is their desired result, Trump wanted to be in and out within a week.

    Now we are in week 2 and the consequences of the Middle East not shipping oil is about to become very obvious - anyone remember the oil crisis in the 70s, it's going to be a modern version of that.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 45,965
    boulay said:

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    Well, duh.
    These people are genuises
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,489
    edited 7:57AM
    stock market collapasing and Israel/US losing their war. What was it someone said aabout the smell of nepalm in the morning......

    What's the chances of the flapping white coats taking Trump off and quietly depositing him in an asylum for the criminally insane?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,987
    edited 7:58AM
    Green wave.

    https://x.com/jeremycliffe/status/2030725809413980346?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Likeability an under examined factor in these type of results. Try not selecting horrible people as your candidates, lads.

    An Özdemir win would matter in another sense too. 7 decades after the first "guest workers" arrived, he would be the first minister-president of a German state to have Turkish roots. It wasn't a big factor in the campaign - people just like him (⬇️) - but is a moment nonetheless.

    https://x.com/jeremycliffe/status/2030698997787308389?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,622
    edited 7:58AM

    Surely this latest war is just more evidence we need to stop importing energy which surely means more renewables? How can anyone disagree.

    There are some alternatives. We could have massive strategic reserves of gas and oil that the government can release in an emergency (see Japan). We could nationalise and massively subsidise O&G production to isolate the industry from global energy prices and boost domestic production. Coal in theory could work because it's easy to store, we'd just need to import lots of it and, again, nationalise it in preperation for a period like this.

    These aren't cost-free options though.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,278
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,622
    Nigelb said:

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    I wonder how the right wing tabloids. Farage and Kemi are feeling about their calls for us to back these idiots unconditionally as to do otherwise might damage the "special relationship" ?

    A craven and utterly foolish display.
    Labour should call the energy crisis the "Kemi-bomb".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,965
    edited 8:03AM
    .
    Eabhal said:

    Surely this latest war is just more evidence we need to stop importing energy which surely means more renewables? How can anyone disagree.

    There are some alternatives. We could have massive strategic reserves of gas and oil that the government can release in an emergency (see Japan). We could nationalise and massively subsidise O&G production to isolate the industry from global energy prices and boost domestic production. Coal in theory could work because it's easy to store, we'd just need to import lots of it and, again, nationalise it in preperation for a period like this.

    These aren't cost-free options though.
    The massive gas storage facility which Conservative governments decided wasn't worth the cost of subsidising would have probably been the most cost effective mitigation.

    Here's a former Tory MP now complaining about that.

    The Net Stupid Zero political class are to blame:

    UK has just 2 days’ worth of Gas stored

    https://x.com/TiceRichard/status/2030679069139128422

    Not so much net stupid, as plain stupid.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,094
    Eabhal said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    I'll say it again, if you disagree with Cyclefree's headers or indeed any other headers including mine. I am happy to publish threads by you that disagree with a header, send me a Vanilla message with your pieces.

    I'd be happy to contribute, but is PB really the best forum for it?

    Things that interest me: Digital ID, the Online "Safety" Act, trial by jury (as noted above) leasehold reform, income tax, UBI.

    I reply to Cyclefree's guff simply because nobody else on this forum bothers to point out that other views, and lived experiences, are available. It's not a topic I'd care to drone on about while literal drones are blowing up oil fields. It's almost like there are more important things going on.

    It genuinely mortifies me that my partner's mere existence was something to be debated or argued about. Something that Max the Fash and Richard "Libertarian" Tindall might pontificate on.
    I have never said that their 'existence' is something to be debated or argued about. As usual when you find your rather extremist views challenged you fall back on simple smears and lies. The argument, as it has always been in Cyclefree's pieces, is about the where the competing boundaries between rights should be set. Should Trans rights trump Women's rights? Should the laws we have governing the way we treat children be modified simply to satisfy an extremist Trans lobby? You continue to make clear with your TERF references that you oppose anyone who might suggest that the Trans lived experience and rights have to balanced with the the lived experience and rights of other groups. That is extremism and it serves both your arguments and the Trans community very badly.
    Calm down mate, don't get the stockings and suspenders you're wearing while you wrote that in a twist...

    You seem to regard it as "competing" rights but the vast majority of women don't agree with you. Cf Kelly v Leonardo, or the numerous WI branches (including the substantial Manchester branch) that have shut their doors rather than obey a lawfare-imposed diktat that excludes trans women. Perhaps we could try listening to women for once?

    A reminder: Cyclefree may be the only woman who posts here (not quite, honorable mentions must go to Moonrabbit's excellent work on Chagos and others who clearly provide great value to the site!), but Cyclefree's opinions no more represent mainstream female opinion than Max or Leon represent all male opinion.
    Well you do like to drone on about lived experience and my lived experience is that the women around me are far more aligned with Cyclefree's views than with yours.
    Which is actually interesting, because it's "lived experience" of what we can see in the polls - a divergence between the views of younger and older women. As a friend said pithily a few months ago - "can't wait for the same stringent standards applied to Dr Upton to be used for the umpteen examples of white straight men sexually assaullting or harassing NHS staff".

    I think the uneven standard is obvious to young, Green-voting women who are living through this stuff on a daily basis.
    Agree on your second point about white straight men not being held to the same standards. But on your first that doesn't fit as my gay daughter and her partner are also of the same opinion due to their own experiences at University a few years ago.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,850
    Roger said:

    What's the chances of the flapping white coats taking Trump off and quietly depositing him in an asylum for the criminally insane?

    Unfortunately, essentially zero.

    Although it does make you realise that the negative domestic implications of this war may well be what leads to him ending it early. Or lead to an event worse mid-term loss.

    Markets continue to price in a reasonable chance of TACO, which means there's much further to fall (or rise, for oil and bond yields) if the war continues.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,630
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    I wonder how the right wing tabloids. Farage and Kemi are feeling about their calls for us to back these idiots unconditionally as to do otherwise might damage the "special relationship" ?

    A craven and utterly foolish display.
    Labour should call the energy crisis the "Kemi-bomb".
    Sure. As classy as the 'Boris variant' of COVID-19 and about as likely to work.

    Badenoch's take on this has shown very poor judgement. But she also isn't responsible for the war. Pretending she is rather than criticising Trump is another example of poor judgement, with an added dash of obvious cowardice.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,489
    Arise Sir Keir.....A Knight to Remember

    soon to be the leader of the free world.

    Ed Davey giving Kemi and Nige both barrels........It looks like they've backed the wrong horse big time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,712

    NEW THREAD

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,622
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Eabhal said:

    Surely this latest war is just more evidence we need to stop importing energy which surely means more renewables? How can anyone disagree.

    There are some alternatives. We could have massive strategic reserves of gas and oil that the government can release in an emergency (see Japan). We could nationalise and massively subsidise O&G production to isolate the industry from global energy prices and boost domestic production. Coal in theory could work because it's easy to store, we'd just need to import lots of it and, again, nationalise it in preperation for a period like this.

    These aren't cost-free options though.
    The massive gas storage facility which Conservative governments decided wasn't worth the cost of subsidising would have probably been the most cost effective mitigation.
    As a I understand it the North Sea would make an excellent gas storage facility, if we hadn't drilled it so extensively. That's why Rough is unusual for being a decent UK option, neglected until 2022 and the Ukraine invasion.

    Richard_Tyndall is online however so he can put me straight.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,086
    Nigelb said:

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    I wonder how the right wing tabloids. Farage and Kemi are feeling about their calls for us to back these idiots unconditionally as to do otherwise might damage the "special relationship" ?

    A craven and utterly foolish display.
    There is an argument that attacking Iran in this way was an entirely stupid thing to do but given America has done it, we're involved whether we like it or not. But you can't really make that argument unless you acknowledge the original stupidity, which the likes of Farage and Badenoch don't do. So they end up justifying the stupidity by implication.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,119
    edited 8:09AM

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    Wow. So it turns out the Israelis have their own malign agenda. I mean, who could have foreseen that?
    Or that the Trump administration didn't know what it wants or didn't even start to think anything through?

    Or just that "doing something" in the Middle East would cause more problems than it solves?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,622

    Eabhal said:

    kyf_100 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    I'll say it again, if you disagree with Cyclefree's headers or indeed any other headers including mine. I am happy to publish threads by you that disagree with a header, send me a Vanilla message with your pieces.

    I'd be happy to contribute, but is PB really the best forum for it?

    Things that interest me: Digital ID, the Online "Safety" Act, trial by jury (as noted above) leasehold reform, income tax, UBI.

    I reply to Cyclefree's guff simply because nobody else on this forum bothers to point out that other views, and lived experiences, are available. It's not a topic I'd care to drone on about while literal drones are blowing up oil fields. It's almost like there are more important things going on.

    It genuinely mortifies me that my partner's mere existence was something to be debated or argued about. Something that Max the Fash and Richard "Libertarian" Tindall might pontificate on.
    I have never said that their 'existence' is something to be debated or argued about. As usual when you find your rather extremist views challenged you fall back on simple smears and lies. The argument, as it has always been in Cyclefree's pieces, is about the where the competing boundaries between rights should be set. Should Trans rights trump Women's rights? Should the laws we have governing the way we treat children be modified simply to satisfy an extremist Trans lobby? You continue to make clear with your TERF references that you oppose anyone who might suggest that the Trans lived experience and rights have to balanced with the the lived experience and rights of other groups. That is extremism and it serves both your arguments and the Trans community very badly.
    Calm down mate, don't get the stockings and suspenders you're wearing while you wrote that in a twist...

    You seem to regard it as "competing" rights but the vast majority of women don't agree with you. Cf Kelly v Leonardo, or the numerous WI branches (including the substantial Manchester branch) that have shut their doors rather than obey a lawfare-imposed diktat that excludes trans women. Perhaps we could try listening to women for once?

    A reminder: Cyclefree may be the only woman who posts here (not quite, honorable mentions must go to Moonrabbit's excellent work on Chagos and others who clearly provide great value to the site!), but Cyclefree's opinions no more represent mainstream female opinion than Max or Leon represent all male opinion.
    Well you do like to drone on about lived experience and my lived experience is that the women around me are far more aligned with Cyclefree's views than with yours.
    Which is actually interesting, because it's "lived experience" of what we can see in the polls - a divergence between the views of younger and older women. As a friend said pithily a few months ago - "can't wait for the same stringent standards applied to Dr Upton to be used for the umpteen examples of white straight men sexually assaullting or harassing NHS staff".

    I think the uneven standard is obvious to young, Green-voting women who are living through this stuff on a daily basis.
    Agree on your second point about white straight men not being held to the same standards. But on your first that doesn't fit as my gay daughter and her partner are also of the same opinion due to their own experiences at University a few years ago.
    Fair enough. This is anecdotal v anecdotal so experiences are all equally valid. I do think that, in general, younger women are less worried about it than say older men (despite the profile of the typical victim), though disentagling that from general progressive views is quite difficult.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,837
    eek said:

    "The Trump Administration was dismayed by the scale and wide-spread destruction caused by Saturday’s strike campaign by Israel against oil infrastructure in and around the Iranian capital of Tehran, which reportedly targeting 30 oil and fuel depots sparking massive fires across the city that continue to burn into Sunday, according to a U.S. official, Israeli official and a source with knowledge who spoke to Axios.

    U.S. officials state that Saturday’s strikes went far beyond what the United States expected when Israel notified it in advance, created large fires in Tehran, igniting flames visible for miles and blanketing the capital in heavy smoke. Senior officials in the Trump Administration are concerned Israeli strikes on infrastructure that serves ordinary Iranians could backfire strategically, rallying Iranian society to support the regime and further driving up oil prices throughout the World."

    Israel wants a very different result from attacking Iran than Trump wants.

    Which is a problem because for Israel an ongoing war is their desired result, Trump wanted to be in and out within a week.

    Now we are in week 2 and the consequences of the Middle East not shipping oil is about to become very obvious - anyone remember the oil crisis in the 70s, it's going to be a modern version of that.
    I do have memories of the three day week, power cuts, massive queues for petrol and I was in Junior school.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,439
    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    How long before the spike in energy prices starts feeding into the wider economy ?

    Any economists in here ?

    Within the next few days. I expect petrol prices to become unpalatable by the end of the week and an emergency rise in the energy price cap by the end of next week if this is still ongoing. Oil and gas prices are returning to the rates we saw during the start of the Ukraine war.

    We need for the US and Israel to win and win fast or I fear that inflation will soon hit 5-6% and living standards are going to fall fast.
    I can't see how they can "win". I think Iranian oil production is going to be limited for months/years, and we're going to have years of sporadic drone attacks on the Gulf States. And that's a best case scenario.

    The chance of a stable, rational regime that can control the nuttier elements of their population must be 5%.
    They appointed the Ayatollah's son. That isn't a leadership looking at stopping the war...
    I don't think stopping the war is in Iran's control.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,439
    I see Fox have done a BBC and "inadvertently aired old footage" of the supreme leader not being disrespectful of war dead.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,086
    Eabhal said:

    Surely this latest war is just more evidence we need to stop importing energy which surely means more renewables? How can anyone disagree.

    There are some alternatives. We could have massive strategic reserves of gas and oil that the government can release in an emergency (see Japan). We could nationalise and massively subsidise O&G production to isolate the industry from global energy prices and boost domestic production. Coal in theory could work because it's easy to store, we'd just need to import lots of it and, again, nationalise it in preperation for a period like this.

    These aren't cost-free options though.
    I am in favour of stocking, but not using, coal in dual fuel gas powered electricity station

    We should continue to extract from the North Sea although it's marginal given the exhaustion of supply. In principle the difference is the thin red line on this chart, although it may be more than that

    https://bsky.app/profile/drsimevans.carbonbrief.org/post/3kdj4ec4lai2h
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,181
    edited 8:19AM
    Nigelb said:

    kyf_100 said:

    boulay said:

    kyf_100 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    How long before the spike in energy prices starts feeding into the wider economy ?

    Any economists in here ?

    Within the next few days. I expect petrol prices to become unpalatable by the end of the week and an emergency rise in the energy price cap by the end of next week if this is still ongoing. Oil and gas prices are returning to the rates we saw during the start of the Ukraine war.

    We need for the US and Israel to win and win fast or I fear that inflation will soon hit 5-6% and living standards are going to fall fast.
    Serious question for all, what, if anything, should I be buying now in case of panic or prices going mental? We all remember (and hopefully survived) the Great Covid Toilet Roll Craze, but is there anything other than oil that is likely to be seriously and rapidly affected by this situation?

    I'm sitting on a gaming rig with many, many gb of memory bought last year thanks to PB commentators noticing the component price surge early. Anything worth getting in, now?
    Buy guns, if you need anything if the world goes to shit you can just go and kill the people with the loo rolls and pasta. Guns take up less space so you can just raid and kill to suit your storage.
    Ah, Rust/Survival Game rules. Fair enough.

    I was hoping more for the PB hive mind to notice that some obscure chemical is only produced in Iran or has to go via Iran, and it's the key ingredient in something valuable, so I can corner the market.

    I can sell my gaming rig today for double what I paid for it last year...
    Helium ?
    Iran shuttering Gulf natural gas production has also curtailed supplies of helium (it's a byproduct, and Qatar is the second largest producer after the US), It's essential for semiconductor manufacturing.
    Huge for NMR but more importantly for most MRI. Most manufacturers are trending to extra long hold times or full recycling but some use/loss is inevitable. We could do with nitrogen cooled superconductors really ( assuming room temp never works)
  • eekeek Posts: 32,788
    Dopermean said:

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    How long before the spike in energy prices starts feeding into the wider economy ?

    Any economists in here ?

    Within the next few days. I expect petrol prices to become unpalatable by the end of the week and an emergency rise in the energy price cap by the end of next week if this is still ongoing. Oil and gas prices are returning to the rates we saw during the start of the Ukraine war.

    We need for the US and Israel to win and win fast or I fear that inflation will soon hit 5-6% and living standards are going to fall fast.
    I can't see how they can "win". I think Iranian oil production is going to be limited for months/years, and we're going to have years of sporadic drone attacks on the Gulf States. And that's a best case scenario.

    The chance of a stable, rational regime that can control the nuttier elements of their population must be 5%.
    They appointed the Ayatollah's son. That isn't a leadership looking at stopping the war...
    I don't think stopping the war is in Iran's control.
    I don’t think stopping the war is in American’s control either
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,908
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    kyf_100 said:

    ...Thanks. I believe @viewcode is publishing something soon to which I submitted a detailed response which will also be published. That is... kinda all I want to say on the subject...

    OK, draft 14 is up backstage (in the toilets as @Moonrabbit says). The details are:
    • kyf_100s latest draft of the discussant contribution is included
    • Main body: 13 sections, 1,898 words. This is the bit that PB publishes
    • Appendices: 23 appendices, 8,817 words. This will go in a separate PDF
    • Discussants: 2 discussants, 8,970 words. This will go in a separate PDF
    I don't propose to make further changes to the main body. I might go thru the appendices and change some of the source numbering, but it is difficult to devote more time to this. @Cyclefree, you have the option to change/resubmit your discussant contribution if you wish: please let me know if you want to do that

    @rcs1000, @DavidL, @fitalass, @Cyclefree, @TSE, @Nigelb, @kyf_100, @turbotubbs, if you have time please go thru the article and see if you can spot errors. I'm not going to change the text but if you spot citations that don't link or broken links, please tell me.

    Unless you spot total disasters, I'll release this version to the prereaders on Tues/Weds

    You've put a lot of effort into this. Kudos.
    Well thank you, but the article suffers from an early decision to put the sources in each appendix instead of a separate "sources" section. This leads to a lot of repetition. Plus the section about whether FWS v Scottish Ministers applies to toilets was superseded by the later GLP v EHRC, which did apply it to them, so one of the appendices has got a "this appendix is now moot and is preserved for historical reasons" subtitle at the top. So grrrr.

    Anyhoo no work of art is ever completed, it is only abandoned. It was started in October(?) and has to come to an end sometime, so might as well be now.
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