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This is exactly why you lost. You were a southern academic parachuted into a not doing too well suburb of a northern city and this is your response to losing???
Fuck me.
At least Cameron with his hut for writing never pretended to be a man of the plumber class.
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
This is exactly why you lost. You were a southern academic parachuted into a not doing too well suburb of a northern city and this is your response to losing???
Fuck me.
At least Cameron with his hut for writing never pretended to be a man of the plumber class.
Um, isn't it just a mildly (I stress mildly) amusing and self-deprecating social media post? I don't think Goodwin is actually aiming to convince his followers that due to his election loss he has been forced to take up residence in a shepherd's hut?
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
Your short spell as LadyG seems rather off topic TBH
This is exactly why you lost. You were a southern academic parachuted into a not doing too well suburb of a northern city and this is your response to losing???
Fuck me.
At least Cameron with his hut for writing never pretended to be a man of the plumber class.
Um, isn't it just a mildly (I stress mildly) amusing and self-deprecating social media post? I don't think Goodwin is actually aiming to convince his followers that due to his election loss he has been forced to take up residence in a shepherd's hut?
He rails against the elite. All the time. Academics. Lanyard wearers. Pollsters. Government types. Anyone with a degree.
And then he attempts humour that only works if you read PB every day.
Amazing mid 90s mix on Greatest Hits radio at the moment.
It's had the song I kissed my first girlfriend to, and has essentially the soundtrack to my A-Levels.
Ah, memories. So long ago, and yet so vivid.
That is the real magic of music. It captures a moment in time and allows all the joy, the angst, the pain and the context to come flooding back in a way that nothing else does. This is a weird one but roughly 30 years ago now I had a really bad RTA which I was lucky to survive. When it happened I was listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto in the car and whilst I recovered in hospital I became obsessed. Even now it moves me to tears every time it reaches the crescendo where the two themes finally clash. I remember the pain, the fear and the sheer joy of still being alive. Its a kind of magic.
When people were talking about "The Special Relationship" and it's one-sidedness earlier, it brought to mind what was probably the love of my life. A girl I was completely obsessed with for about a decade who was only mildly interested in me. It's crazy how some people can have such an effect. There are so many songs that remind of the way I felt, but Hard-Fi, not a band I am particularly into, did one called "Hard to Beat" which really encapsulates the feeling of being so breathlessly excited to be with someone. It makes me feel again how I used to on a summer night in South London, striding down the South Bank so eager to meet her
Most are the others are by The Smiths mind you, and AM by Arctic Monkeys
Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward
Sensible to dial down the rhetoric
He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support' Our humiliation is almost complere
Do you have any evidence to back that up or are you just projecting your bias and presenting it as a"fact"?
Its an opinion based discussion site. Most things on here are projections of bias.
If it is just your opinion of what might have been said that would be fine
My point is that you are portraying your opinion as fact and that needs calling out.
Then consider it called out and hands held up
Accepted, sorry to get on my high horse but I believe that the US is in the state it is in largely because Trump gets away with passing lies off as facts and millions of his follows new too stupid to know the difference.
This is exactly why you lost. You were a southern academic parachuted into a not doing too well suburb of a northern city and this is your response to losing???
Fuck me.
At least Cameron with his hut for writing never pretended to be a man of the plumber class.
Um, isn't it just a mildly (I stress mildly) amusing and self-deprecating social media post? I don't think Goodwin is actually aiming to convince his followers that due to his election loss he has been forced to take up residence in a shepherd's hut?
He rails against the elite. All the time. Academics. Lanyard wearers. Pollsters. Government types. Anyone with a degree.
And then he attempts humour that only works if you read PB every day.
Personally I encourage it. One of the off-putting things about Matt Goodwin is his unlevened starey-eyed polemicism. A bit more humour from him is welcome, so I've got no idea why you choose this to have a meltdown about.
Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward
Sensible to dial down the rhetoric
He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support' Our humiliation is almost complere
Do you have any evidence to back that up or are you just projecting your bias and presenting it as a"fact"?
Its an opinion based discussion site. Most things on here are projections of bias.
If it is just your opinion of what might have been said that would be fine
My point is that you are portraying your opinion as fact and that needs calling out.
Then consider it called out and hands held up
Accepted, sorry to get on my high horse but I believe that the US is in the state it is in largely because Trump gets away with passing lies off as facts and millions of his follows new too stupid to know the difference.
Starmer and Trump have phone call and look forward to co-operating going forward
Sensible to dial down the rhetoric
He phoned him and begged for a bone. A throwaway tweet about 'British support' Our humiliation is almost complere
Do you have any evidence to back that up or are you just projecting your bias and presenting it as a"fact"?
Its an opinion based discussion site. Most things on here are projections of bias.
If it is just your opinion of what might have been said that would be fine
My point is that you are portraying your opinion as fact and that needs calling out.
Then consider it called out and hands held up
Accepted, sorry to get on my high horse but I believe that the US is in the state it is in largely because Trump gets away with passing lies off as facts and millions of his follows new too stupid to know the difference.
No worries
You're luckier than me then, I worry about the post truth nature of US politics under the orange haired paedo all the time.
Amazing mid 90s mix on Greatest Hits radio at the moment.
It's had the song I kissed my first girlfriend to, and has essentially the soundtrack to my A-Levels.
Ah, memories. So long ago, and yet so vivid.
That is the real magic of music. It captures a moment in time and allows all the joy, the angst, the pain and the context to come flooding back in a way that nothing else does. This is a weird one but roughly 30 years ago now I had a really bad RTA which I was lucky to survive. When it happened I was listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto in the car and whilst I recovered in hospital I became obsessed. Even now it moves me to tears every time it reaches the crescendo where the two themes finally clash. I remember the pain, the fear and the sheer joy of still being alive. Its a kind of magic.
When people were talking about "The Special Relationship" and it's one-sidedness earlier, it brought to mind what was probably the love of my life. A girl I was completely obsessed with for about a decade who was only mildly interested in me. It's crazy how some people can have such an effect. There are so many songs that remind of the way I felt, but Hard-Fi, not a band I am particularly into, did one called "Hard to Beat" which really encapsulates the feeling of being so breathlessly excited to be with someone. It makes me feel again how I used to on a summer night in South London, striding down the South Bank so eager to meet her
Most are the others are by The Smiths mind you, and AM by Arctic Monkeys
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Just stop talking to me about this subject. Thanks
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I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
Your partner never had those rights. The GRA never gave those rights. There is - and never has been - any right, either under domestic law or under the ECHR, to access the loos or changing rooms of the opposite sex. That your partner was misled into believing this is the fault of those who deliberately lied - and continue to lie - about what the law says.
I have some sympathy with those who have undergone full surgical transition (though the vast majority do not and, as the EctHR has made clear - some 17 years go - such surgery cannot be a requirement of recognition or legal rights) and who do not wish to use the places reserved for their sex. But the solution is - and always has been - to make unisex spaces available. Not to deny women their safety, dignity and privacy.
Whatever you choose to believe about your partner - and I fully appreciate your love and concern - the fact is that sex cannot be changed. The strength of your belief, however sincere, does not change reality. And the other reality is that women can tell at a glance who is a a man, even one who has done whatever he can to make himself look like a woman. Why? Because our lives depend on this.
Women's rights to safety, dignity and privacy are not conditional on whether men agree to this. Our rights are not what is left over after men get what they want. We do not have to justify why we say "No" to a man or men in general.
If transidentified men want safe loos, changing rooms, rape shelters, refuges etc then they can do what women did, create them for themselves instead of demanding we give up ours. Or men can learn to be - ah yes - inclusive and kind, so that people like @kyf_100's partner are not put at risk.
Oh - and TERF is another of those words used to insult women to try and get them to shut up. "Witch", "hag", "bitch", "slut", "aggressive" etc etc. It's a very very old story and a very tiresome one. And not one any woman with any sense or self-respect pays the slightest attention to.
And they say I'm the extremist.
Do please explain to me how the GRA (2004) language, "once a full gender recognition certificate is issued to an applicant, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender, so that an applicant who was born a male would, in law, become a woman for all purposes" means that my beloved partner, in possession of both a GRC and a c****, should be excluded from being able to piss in safety and privacy.
Not legal chicanery. Not get out clauses, dispensations, different statutory processes. Do please explain to me, that when a hard right ideologue like Widdecombe believes a trans woman who has gone "the Full Turbotubbs" so to speak and has a functionally identical "Bartholomew Roberts" to a cis woman, should enjoy the same rights as a cis woman, you think that such women are not deserving of the same protection as other women?
I am not the extremist here (as others have noted), with a fairly limited / restrictive view on trans rights according to medical intervention.
You are a trans exclusive radical feminist, and I'm sorry if it insults you to describe you as a trans exclusive radical feminist, but that is what you are.
Functionally identical is a stretch. No transwoman will ever bear a child through said Bartholomew Roberts, for a start. And your point about a certificate is meaningless because they are still male, whatever the paper says. If it said they were a horse would you run them at Cheltenham?
Ah, I see, when a woman is no longer able to produce children through her "Bartholomew Roberts", she is no longer a woman.
Therefore all women who have undergone hysteroectomies are no longer women.
Blessed be the fruit!
Surely the dentition of a "woman" is through biology (ie XX for women and XY for men) ?
Men can identify as women (and women as men) if they want and their personal choices and preference should be respected to some degree but the facts of life and the scientific truths we know, are non-negotiable?
The physical characteristics of women and men are determined by biology. However, to rely on that as the true definition of what it is to be a woman or a man ignores the vast strata of cultural baggage that is attached to gender terms. If we lived in an entirely matriarchal society, would we still have people like Cyclefree arguing that women need to be protected from men?
Amazing mid 90s mix on Greatest Hits radio at the moment.
It's had the song I kissed my first girlfriend to, and has essentially the soundtrack to my A-Levels.
Ah, memories. So long ago, and yet so vivid.
That is the real magic of music. It captures a moment in time and allows all the joy, the angst, the pain and the context to come flooding back in a way that nothing else does. This is a weird one but roughly 30 years ago now I had a really bad RTA which I was lucky to survive. When it happened I was listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto in the car and whilst I recovered in hospital I became obsessed. Even now it moves me to tears every time it reaches the crescendo where the two themes finally clash. I remember the pain, the fear and the sheer joy of still being alive. Its a kind of magic.
When people were talking about "The Special Relationship" and it's one-sidedness earlier, it brought to mind what was probably the love of my life. A girl I was completely obsessed with for about a decade who was only mildly interested in me. It's crazy how some people can have such an effect. There are so many songs that remind of the way I felt, but Hard-Fi, not a band I am particularly into, did one called "Hard to Beat" which really encapsulates the feeling of being so breathlessly excited to be with someone. It makes me feel again how I used to on a summer night in South London, striding down the South Bank so eager to meet her
Most are the others are by The Smiths mind you, and AM by Arctic Monkeys
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Apologies for not reading that fully. I have a three year old and it’s time, so not huge amounts of time to digest every post. I am genuinely sorry for your loss, and if I had read the relevant bit would never have ignored it. Although pedantically (this is pedantic betting after all) ‘my partner is trans’ is not guiding the reader.
This is exactly why you lost. You were a southern academic parachuted into a not doing too well suburb of a northern city and this is your response to losing???
Fuck me.
At least Cameron with his hut for writing never pretended to be a man of the plumber class.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Amazing mid 90s mix on Greatest Hits radio at the moment.
It's had the song I kissed my first girlfriend to, and has essentially the soundtrack to my A-Levels.
Ah, memories. So long ago, and yet so vivid.
That is the real magic of music. It captures a moment in time and allows all the joy, the angst, the pain and the context to come flooding back in a way that nothing else does. This is a weird one but roughly 30 years ago now I had a really bad RTA which I was lucky to survive. When it happened I was listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto in the car and whilst I recovered in hospital I became obsessed. Even now it moves me to tears every time it reaches the crescendo where the two themes finally clash. I remember the pain, the fear and the sheer joy of still being alive. Its a kind of magic.
When people were talking about "The Special Relationship" and it's one-sidedness earlier, it brought to mind what was probably the love of my life. A girl I was completely obsessed with for about a decade who was only mildly interested in me. It's crazy how some people can have such an effect. There are so many songs that remind of the way I felt, but Hard-Fi, not a band I am particularly into, did one called "Hard to Beat" which really encapsulates the feeling of being so breathlessly excited to be with someone. It makes me feel again how I used to on a summer night in South London, striding down the South Bank so eager to meet her
Most are the others are by The Smiths mind you, and AM by Arctic Monkeys
Hoping not "Girlfriend in a Coma"....
"Hand In Glove" mainly, and "RU Mine"
Love is tragedy. The last person I was with, engaged to (and will almost certainly be the last person I'm ever with in that way) I told her once I'd burn the world down for her. And I would have. Now I wouldn't even burn the toast for her.
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Just stop talking to me about this subject. Thanks
OK dude, sorry - I apologise.
If whatever you have been through with partner/family or suicide or all of the above is remotely comparable to what I've been through, I get you. I took up [deleted drug reference] again when she died. Took me a while to crawl out of that one.
It stings. Then it gets under your skin. Then it burns. And it keeps burning.
Are there any instances in history of people rising up to overthrow tyrannical rulers (indigenous, not invaders) as a result of foreign intervention?
Libya would be an example. The popular uprising succeeded against Gaddafi with help from outside. Problem was, what came next was hardly an improvement.
Crufts Best in Show 2026 is the Clumber Spaniel, a popular choice with the audience, one of the UK’s endangered breeds, with the Petit Grifon Basset Vendeen as the Reserve.
By way of reward, he gets to be stroked by Claudia Winkelman
Crufts Best in Show 2026 is the Clumber Spaniel, a popular choice with the audience, one of the UK’s endangered breeds, with the Petit Grifon Basset Vendeen as the Reserve.
By way of reward, he gets to be stroked by Claudia Winkelman
It was a gundog crowd from today.
If he hadn't won, you'd have heard the sound of guns cocking...
Crufts Best in Show 2026 is the Clumber Spaniel, a popular choice with the audience, one of the UK’s endangered breeds, with the Petit Grifon Basset Vendeen as the Reserve.
By way of reward, he gets to be stroked by Claudia Winkelman
Dogs generally are one thing. The 'Dog for scale' another. I hope he's happy with your philandering!
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Just stop talking to me about this subject. Thanks
OK dude, sorry - I apologise.
If whatever you have been through with partner/family or suicide or all of the above is remotely comparable to what I've been through, I get you. I took up [deleted I drug reference] again when she died. Took me a while to crawl out of that one.
It stings. Then it gets under your skin. Then it burns. And it keeps burning.
Feel free to DM/reach out to me any time.
Fair play. Apology accepted. My trauma involved a child, let's just say that, and leave it there
In other debates I find you an engaging and open-minded poster, and I am genuinely saddened by your story. It's very sad
Maybe that's why I avoid this debate, on both sides there is great sadnesss, and yet no resolution, no redemption. It also engulfs and maddens lovely smart people - Graham Linehan on X is the classic example. It is a tragedy that a comic writer with his talent and CV will probably end up being remembered as the anti-trans nutter on social media. It's awful
So, peace and love. Maybe @TSE can give us a thread about Scottish subsamples and AV to cleanse the PB palate
Are there any instances in history of people rising up to overthrow tyrannical rulers (indigenous, not invaders) as a result of foreign intervention?
This is not an example, but has slight resonances. The overthrow of James II, which ended, I think, the possibility of arbitrary absolute monarchy for good (so far) was aided by the arrival of a Dutch intervener.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
You know the way it is with burgers - bad cheese wins. I think it is so with the anchovies in one's Salad.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
There should be a website/X account solely devoted to #crufts winning dogs at polling stations, rivalling the excellent dogs coverage which does so much to enliven General Election day.
Bizarre to see my name bandied a lot in this thread, when I have not taken part other than to praise Cyclefree.
For what little it is worth, I think my views on this debate are quite uncharacteristically moderate and mainstream.
I think trans people should be treated with respect and should be treated how they desire to be treated and identified how they desire to be identified as . . . Unless it violates safeguarding.
Where safeguarding and identification collide, then safeguarding has to come first, however if safeguarding is not an issue then just call everyone whatever they want to be called.
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Just stop talking to me about this subject. Thanks
OK dude, sorry - I apologise.
If whatever you have been through with partner/family or suicide or all of the above is remotely comparable to what I've been through, I get you. I took up [deleted I drug reference] again when she died. Took me a while to crawl out of that one.
It stings. Then it gets under your skin. Then it burns. And it keeps burning.
Feel free to DM/reach out to me any time.
Fair play. Apology accepted. My trauma involved a child, let's just say that, and leave it there
In other debates I find you an engaging and open-minded poster, and I am genuinely saddened by your story. It's very sad
Maybe that's why I avoid this debate, on both sides there is great sadnesss, and yet no resolution, no redemption. It also engulfs and maddens lovely smart people - Graham Linehan on X is the classic example. It is a tragedy that a comic writer with his talent and CV will probably end up being remembered as the anti-trans nutter on social media. It's awful
So, peace and love. Maybe @TSE can give us a thread about Scottish subsamples and AV to cleanse the PB palate
Amen mate. Sorry to hear that.
I feel vaguely obliged to give a reply to every Cyclefree header on the subject, but would really rather not - it's not even in my top 10 subjects I want to talk about. Hence why when TSE says anyone is welcome to submit a response as a thread header I think yeah but no. I'll respond to trans threads, but I won't start them.
Are there any instances in history of people rising up to overthrow tyrannical rulers (indigenous, not invaders) as a result of foreign intervention?
This is not an example, but has slight resonances. The overthrow of James II, which ended, I think, the possibility of arbitrary absolute monarchy for good (so far) was aided by the arrival of a Dutch intervener.
Good example, although there are several ironies. The so called Glorious Revolution was someone usurping the throne after invading the country. No-one wanted him to be King. Also James was considerably more tolerant than William (hopeless in other respects though).
There should be a website/X account solely devoted to #crufts winning dogs at polling stations, rivalling the excellent dogs coverage which does so much to enliven General Election day.
Readers wives dogs at polling stations for the horny centrist Dads
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
Your partner never had those rights. The GRA never gave those rights. There is - and never has been - any right, either under domestic law or under the ECHR, to access the loos or changing rooms of the opposite sex. That your partner was misled into believing this is the fault of those who deliberately lied - and continue to lie - about what the law says.
I have some sympathy with those who have undergone full surgical transition (though the vast majority do not and, as the EctHR has made clear - some 17 years go - such surgery cannot be a requirement of recognition or legal rights) and who do not wish to use the places reserved for their sex. But the solution is - and always has been - to make unisex spaces available. Not to deny women their safety, dignity and privacy.
Whatever you choose to believe about your partner - and I fully appreciate your love and concern - the fact is that sex cannot be changed. The strength of your belief, however sincere, does not change reality. And the other reality is that women can tell at a glance who is a a man, even one who has done whatever he can to make himself look like a woman. Why? Because our lives depend on this.
Women's rights to safety, dignity and privacy are not conditional on whether men agree to this. Our rights are not what is left over after men get what they want. We do not have to justify why we say "No" to a man or men in general.
If transidentified men want safe loos, changing rooms, rape shelters, refuges etc then they can do what women did, create them for themselves instead of demanding we give up ours. Or men can learn to be - ah yes - inclusive and kind, so that people like @kyf_100's partner are not put at risk.
Oh - and TERF is another of those words used to insult women to try and get them to shut up. "Witch", "hag", "bitch", "slut", "aggressive" etc etc. It's a very very old story and a very tiresome one. And not one any woman with any sense or self-respect pays the slightest attention to.
And they say I'm the extremist.
Do please explain to me how the GRA (2004) language, "once a full gender recognition certificate is issued to an applicant, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender, so that an applicant who was born a male would, in law, become a woman for all purposes" means that my beloved partner, in possession of both a GRC and a c****, should be excluded from being able to piss in safety and privacy.
Not legal chicanery. Not get out clauses, dispensations, different statutory processes. Do please explain to me, that when a hard right ideologue like Widdecombe believes a trans woman who has gone "the Full Turbotubbs" so to speak and has a functionally identical "Bartholomew Roberts" to a cis woman, should enjoy the same rights as a cis woman, you think that such women are not deserving of the same protection as other women?
I am not the extremist here (as others have noted), with a fairly limited / restrictive view on trans rights according to medical intervention.
You are a trans exclusive radical feminist, and I'm sorry if it insults you to describe you as a trans exclusive radical feminist, but that is what you are.
Functionally identical is a stretch. No transwoman will ever bear a child through said Bartholomew Roberts, for a start. And your point about a certificate is meaningless because they are still male, whatever the paper says. If it said they were a horse would you run them at Cheltenham?
Ah, I see, when a woman is no longer able to produce children through her "Bartholomew Roberts", she is no longer a woman.
Therefore all women who have undergone hysteroectomies are no longer women.
Blessed be the fruit!
Surely the dentition of a "woman" is through biology (ie XX for women and XY for men) ?
Men can identify as women (and women as men) if they want and their personal choices and preference should be respected to some degree but the facts of life and the scientific truths we know, are non-negotiable?
The physical characteristics of women and men are determined by biology. However, to rely on that as the true definition of what it is to be a woman or a man ignores the vast strata of cultural baggage that is attached to gender terms. If we lived in an entirely matriarchal society, would we still have people like Cyclefree arguing that women need to be protected from men?
The bit I have put in bold contains an equivocation with the words 'woman' and 'man' extraordinary even by PBs standards.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Amazing mid 90s mix on Greatest Hits radio at the moment.
It's had the song I kissed my first girlfriend to, and has essentially the soundtrack to my A-Levels.
Ah, memories. So long ago, and yet so vivid.
That is the real magic of music. It captures a moment in time and allows all the joy, the angst, the pain and the context to come flooding back in a way that nothing else does. This is a weird one but roughly 30 years ago now I had a really bad RTA which I was lucky to survive. When it happened I was listening to Rachmaninov's 2nd piano concerto in the car and whilst I recovered in hospital I became obsessed. Even now it moves me to tears every time it reaches the crescendo where the two themes finally clash. I remember the pain, the fear and the sheer joy of still being alive. Its a kind of magic.
When people were talking about "The Special Relationship" and it's one-sidedness earlier, it brought to mind what was probably the love of my life. A girl I was completely obsessed with for about a decade who was only mildly interested in me. It's crazy how some people can have such an effect. There are so many songs that remind of the way I felt, but Hard-Fi, not a band I am particularly into, did one called "Hard to Beat" which really encapsulates the feeling of being so breathlessly excited to be with someone. It makes me feel again how I used to on a summer night in South London, striding down the South Bank so eager to meet her
Most are the others are by The Smiths mind you, and AM by Arctic Monkeys
Hoping not "Girlfriend in a Coma"....
"Hand In Glove" mainly, and "RU Mine"
Love is tragedy. The last person I was with, engaged to (and will almost certainly be the last person I'm ever with in that way) I told her once I'd burn the world down for her. And I would have. Now I wouldn't even burn the toast for her.
I told this girl I was going to graffiti "I LOVE ***** ****" on the pavement outside her office! And I think I would have if she had asked me too. I was completely crazy for her. It was an amazing feeling, but ultimately pretty heartbreaking. Really was like a drug, inc the comedown
Anyway, just found a new Morrissey song, "Trouble Loves Me" and I think i will play that to death for a while
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
There should be a website/X account solely devoted to #crufts winning dogs at polling stations, rivalling the excellent dogs coverage which does so much to enliven General Election day.
Readers wives dogs at polling stations for the horny centrist Dads
It was a bit niche. I think that website closed after age verification came in.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Never fresh tuna. Also always red onions as not as punchy.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Bean on toast?
Ah that's serious working class for you! We always had more than one in my house. The carving skill to share must have been a sight to see.
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Just stop talking to me about this subject. Thanks
OK dude, sorry - I apologise.
If whatever you have been through with partner/family or suicide or all of the above is remotely comparable to what I've been through, I get you. I took up [deleted I drug reference] again when she died. Took me a while to crawl out of that one.
It stings. Then it gets under your skin. Then it burns. And it keeps burning.
Feel free to DM/reach out to me any time.
Fair play. Apology accepted. My trauma involved a child, let's just say that, and leave it there
In other debates I find you an engaging and open-minded poster, and I am genuinely saddened by your story. It's very sad
Maybe that's why I avoid this debate, on both sides there is great sadnesss, and yet no resolution, no redemption. It also engulfs and maddens lovely smart people - Graham Linehan on X is the classic example. It is a tragedy that a comic writer with his talent and CV will probably end up being remembered as the anti-trans nutter on social media. It's awful
So, peace and love. Maybe @TSE can give us a thread about Scottish subsamples and AV to cleanse the PB palate
Amen mate. Sorry to hear that.
I feel vaguely obliged to give a reply to every Cyclefree header on the subject, but would really rather not - it's not even in my top 10 subjects I want to talk about. Hence why when TSE says anyone is welcome to submit a response as a thread header I think yeah but no. I'll respond to trans threads, but I won't start them.
Peace.
I think you should submit a thread header giving the (trans) side of the debate.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Bean on toast?
Nice one. Yes
Probably also a classic cheeseburger. You don't actually want a large slice of exellent Black Bomber cheddar over that meat patty, you want a disgusting cheap processed Kraft single, it works and melts better, and doesn't obtrude
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
On the tinned front, tinned tomato soup. I don’t like soup, rarely buy or order it but if you order a tomato soup or it’s on a plat du jour where a chef has made it from scratch it will never be as edible as basic Heinz tinned soup.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Tinned corn beef, horseradish and tomatoes with black pepper is a guilty pleasure.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Tinned corn beef, horseradish and tomatoes with black pepper is a guilty pleasure.
Nothing guilty in corned beef. I sit in my fallout shelter under the stairs snd gorge myself on it.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Tinned corn beef, horseradish and tomatoes with black pepper is a guilty pleasure.
That sounds ace. Recipe please. and advice on bread choice
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Beans on toast.
For a while the wife and I had beans on toast every Wednesday. I loved it. I do all the cooking and it was nice once a week to do a reallly simple but really tasty dish in about three minutes. I usually shove sliced cheese under the beans so it melts by the time you’ve dug through the bean layer…
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
On the tinned front, tinned tomato soup. I don’t like soup, rarely buy or order it but if you order a tomato soup or it’s on a plat du jour where a chef has made it from scratch it will never be as edible as basic Heinz tinned soup.
I think most tomato benefits from profound cooking - the lycopeine in tomatoes is brought out by heavy cooking. So a tinned tomato is, in theory, better than a tomato, because tinned food is superheated. There aren't many foods that are improved by superheating, but arguably tomato is one.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Tinned corn beef, horseradish and tomatoes with black pepper is a guilty pleasure.
That sounds ace. Recipe please. and advice on bread choice
Any bread you like. Better toasted and buttered. Nice thick slices of tomato though for the juiciness.
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
You do love your insults. I wish you and you partner nothing but joy, genuinely. Finding the right person to be with is brilliant. You extrapolate an awful lot from them being unable to use toilets that they wish too. If I have it right, using a gender neutral toilet means someone is going to attempt to murder them.
Reminder: She committed suicide. While it's considered unetthical, medically, to ascribe a suicide to a particular reason (and the circumstances leading up to hers were horrible), one does not have a ten year relationship with someone without a certain understanding of the factors that led up to it.
She lived with the kind of transphobic BS I see posted here every day, every day. It costs nothing to treat trans women as women. The kind of language used here, on a daily basis, can cost people their lives.
This is horrible and you have my deepest sympathies, if it helps at all
But @Casino_Royale is right, perhaps this great trauma means you should avoid this subject, if only because debating it must re-open the wound?
But you must do what you must do. And remember everyone on PB will be appalled and saddened by your story, whatever their views on this or that issue
So you're saying a holocaust survivor shouldn't be allowed to talk about antisemitism?
Perhaps Norman Tebbitt shouldn't be allowed to criticise the IRA?
Or - full reductio ad absurdam - person who got a parking ticket shouldn't be allowed to grumble that the current system of restrictions is unfair?
Interesting.
Thanks for the concern trolling, mate.
Perhaps, I have more experience on the subject than most on PB and my contribution in rebutting Cyclefree's transphobic bollox makes me a useful and interesting contributor on the subject?
I have mentioned my partner's death in passing several times on pb over the years, but the fact that I've been politely rebutting Cyclefree's anti trans BS for years and haven't leaned into the "this shit killed the woman I loved" vibe and have been consistently but politely rebutting her shit using logical, reasonable argument should tell you something.
You are trying to get me to shut up by pretending you are concerned about my "great trauma". Classic concern trolling. "Shut up, you're too emotional to talk".
I think the case for trans rights stands by itself, and I've been making it for years now without constantly referencing said trauma.
I'll keep on talking about it for as long as I'm still alive. Because many are not.
You illustrate why I avoid this argument
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
If you were in a relationship with a trans woman for over a decade, then I will be happy to concede my crown as King of the Trans F****s to you, sir.
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
Just stop talking to me about this subject. Thanks
OK dude, sorry - I apologise.
If whatever you have been through with partner/family or suicide or all of the above is remotely comparable to what I've been through, I get you. I took up [deleted I drug reference] again when she died. Took me a while to crawl out of that one.
It stings. Then it gets under your skin. Then it burns. And it keeps burning.
Feel free to DM/reach out to me any time.
Fair play. Apology accepted. My trauma involved a child, let's just say that, and leave it there
In other debates I find you an engaging and open-minded poster, and I am genuinely saddened by your story. It's very sad
Maybe that's why I avoid this debate, on both sides there is great sadnesss, and yet no resolution, no redemption. It also engulfs and maddens lovely smart people - Graham Linehan on X is the classic example. It is a tragedy that a comic writer with his talent and CV will probably end up being remembered as the anti-trans nutter on social media. It's awful
So, peace and love. Maybe @TSE can give us a thread about Scottish subsamples and AV to cleanse the PB palate
Amen mate. Sorry to hear that.
I feel vaguely obliged to give a reply to every Cyclefree header on the subject, but would really rather not - it's not even in my top 10 subjects I want to talk about. Hence why when TSE says anyone is welcome to submit a response as a thread header I think yeah but no. I'll respond to trans threads, but I won't start them.
Peace.
I think you should submit a thread header giving the (trans) side of the debate.
I would welcome it, personally. 👍
Thanks. I believe @viewcode is publishing something soon to which I submitted a detailed response which will also be published. That is... kinda all I want to say on the subject.
The TL;DR of my views is that trans women are women, but transition is a process, i.e. the law should grant you full rights and treat you as any other woman post SRS and post GRC (which would be dependent on SRS). Prior to that, trans women would have limited rights based on their trans status. E.g. only a fully transitioned woman would be legally allowed by her employer into a shared changing room to undress with other women, but a transitioning woman on hormones is OK to use the loo so long as it's private. And so on. But you can't just say "Hey, I'm trans" and go around like Isla Bryson et al and expect to be treated as a woman. For member orgs like the WI, I think it should be a matter of conscience. If a group wants to be trans inclusive, let them. If they don't want to be, that's OK too.
I don't believe in self ID, and so on, and all the other "extreme" demands. I think it's limited, it's a process and - importantly - I think we should be kind to those who are clearly transitioning or transitioned but don't pass, e.g. I have a friend who is 6'4, post surgery and if she was 5'4 you would never believe she was trans - as it is she gets treated as if she has a willy even though she doesn't...There will always be grey areas and difficult cases, but my experience of trans people via my partner is they tend to avoid conflict rather than seek it, and much of the current hysteria is overblown and reflective of certain wealthy interests funding it as part of the culture war wedge. This wasn't an issue 5 years ago.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
I adore offal. In almost all form. Andouilettes! I actually relish the faint tang of urine, like Leopold Bloom
I've had great chitterlings, I've enjoyed tripe up to a point, and heart can be magnificent. It bursts with flavour. Just needs long and careful cooking
I draw the line at brains. OMG. Brains. The soft squidgy texture. Ach, no
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Calves liver with mash and onion gravy is a favourite. Loved a Peruvian restaurant who did an amazing beef heart dish that I still dream of.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Tinned corn beef, horseradish and tomatoes with black pepper is a guilty pleasure.
That sounds ace. Recipe please. and advice on bread choice
Any bread you like. Better toasted and buttered. Nice thick slices of tomato though for the juiciness.
This genuinely sounds like an epic sandwich.. You should talk to the guys who run Pret, they need some new ideas
That said, Britain generally does the best sandwiches in the world
On the subject of lower quality things being better than their 'high quality' versions, I always buy fattier minced beef.
Isn't that actually quite obvious and well known? This is not meant to insult but don't most people realise the fattier the meat, the tastier it will be?
Hence the adoration of well-marbled ribye, or super fatty Kobe Wagyu
There are few meats more disappointing that an entirely fat-less fillet steak. Sure, the texture is butter-soft, but there is almost no flavour
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
I adore offal. In almost all form. Andouilettes! I actually relish the faint tang of urine, like Leopold Bloom
I've had great chitterlings, I've enjoyed tripe up to a point, and heart can be magnificent. It bursts with flavour. Just needs long and careful cooking
I draw the line at brains. OMG. Brains. The soft squidgy texture. Ach, no
As you mention it, here's the quote, which doesn't mention brains:
"Mr Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beasts and fowls. He liked thick giblet soup, nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liverslices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencods' roes. Most of all he liked grilled mutton kidneys which gave to his palate a fine tang of faintly scented urine.”
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised id think, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Tinned corn beef, horseradish and tomatoes with black pepper is a guilty pleasure.
That sounds ace. Recipe please. and advice on bread choice
Any bread you like. Better toasted and buttered. Nice thick slices of tomato though for the juiciness.
This genuinely sounds like an epic sandwich.. You should talk to the guys who run Pret, they need some new ideas
That said, Britain generally does the best sandwiches in the world
It’s not exciting enough but just works. Also love corned beef with sauerkraut and English mustard, again toasted bread.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Calves liver with mash and onion gravy is a favourite. Loved a Peruvian restaurant who did an amazing beef heart dish that I still dream of.
I'm having lambs liver with onions and bacon tomorrow
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
I adore offal. In almost all form. Andouilettes! I actually relish the faint tang of urine, like Leopold Bloom
I've had great chitterlings, I've enjoyed tripe up to a point, and heart can be magnificent. It bursts with flavour. Just needs long and careful cooking
I draw the line at brains. OMG. Brains. The soft squidgy texture. Ach, no
Go for the whole brined head made into a Brawn terrine. Rather delicate
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Calves liver with mash and onion gravy is a favourite. Loved a Peruvian restaurant who did an amazing beef heart dish that I still dream of.
Getting that right would see me happy in life. I think leeks rather than onions, and sage is a must. With the mash it has to be chives, but if you have too much onion (and hence the leeks) in the liver then they'll get overwhelmed. Butter like a mad thing of course.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
I adore offal. In almost all form. Andouilettes! I actually relish the faint tang of urine, like Leopold Bloom
I've had great chitterlings, I've enjoyed tripe up to a point, and heart can be magnificent. It bursts with flavour. Just needs long and careful cooking
I draw the line at brains. OMG. Brains. The soft squidgy texture. Ach, no
My village Auberge in Geneva did a wonderful salad they called “salade paisan” which was hot chicken livers, croutons, lardons, green salad, red onions and a raspberry dressing. Absolutely magnificent and I still reproduce it for friends.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Calves liver with mash and onion gravy is a favourite. Loved a Peruvian restaurant who did an amazing beef heart dish that I still dream of.
Anything with mash and onion gravy is a winner lol
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
I adore offal. In almost all form. Andouilettes! I actually relish the faint tang of urine, like Leopold Bloom
I've had great chitterlings, I've enjoyed tripe up to a point, and heart can be magnificent. It bursts with flavour. Just needs long and careful cooking
I draw the line at brains. OMG. Brains. The soft squidgy texture. Ach, no
As you mention it, here's the quote, which doesn't mention brains:
"Mr Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beasts and fowls. He liked thick giblet soup, nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liverslices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencods' roes. Most of all he liked grilled mutton kidneys which gave to his palate a fine tang of faintly scented urine.”
Leo Bloom was a dude. He should have run off and been happy with Gertie McDowell, and told Molly to go fuck her redcoat on Gibraltar, see if I care
He was also partial to a Gorgonzola sandwich, IIRC, another excellent choice
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Cow udder is a bit like tinned corned beef. If you're looking to try something unusual. And really quite difficult to buy.
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
Your partner never had those rights. The GRA never gave those rights. There is - and never has been - any right, either under domestic law or under the ECHR, to access the loos or changing rooms of the opposite sex. That your partner was misled into believing this is the fault of those who deliberately lied - and continue to lie - about what the law says.
I have some sympathy with those who have undergone full surgical transition (though the vast majority do not and, as the EctHR has made clear - some 17 years go - such surgery cannot be a requirement of recognition or legal rights) and who do not wish to use the places reserved for their sex. But the solution is - and always has been - to make unisex spaces available. Not to deny women their safety, dignity and privacy.
Whatever you choose to believe about your partner - and I fully appreciate your love and concern - the fact is that sex cannot be changed. The strength of your belief, however sincere, does not change reality. And the other reality is that women can tell at a glance who is a a man, even one who has done whatever he can to make himself look like a woman. Why? Because our lives depend on this.
Women's rights to safety, dignity and privacy are not conditional on whether men agree to this. Our rights are not what is left over after men get what they want. We do not have to justify why we say "No" to a man or men in general.
If transidentified men want safe loos, changing rooms, rape shelters, refuges etc then they can do what women did, create them for themselves instead of demanding we give up ours. Or men can learn to be - ah yes - inclusive and kind, so that people like @kyf_100's partner are not put at risk.
Oh - and TERF is another of those words used to insult women to try and get them to shut up. "Witch", "hag", "bitch", "slut", "aggressive" etc etc. It's a very very old story and a very tiresome one. And not one any woman with any sense or self-respect pays the slightest attention to.
And they say I'm the extremist.
Do please explain to me how the GRA (2004) language, "once a full gender recognition certificate is issued to an applicant, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender, so that an applicant who was born a male would, in law, become a woman for all purposes" means that my beloved partner, in possession of both a GRC and a c****, should be excluded from being able to piss in safety and privacy.
Not legal chicanery. Not get out clauses, dispensations, different statutory processes. Do please explain to me, that when a hard right ideologue like Widdecombe believes a trans woman who has gone "the Full Turbotubbs" so to speak and has a functionally identical "Bartholomew Roberts" to a cis woman, should enjoy the same rights as a cis woman, you think that such women are not deserving of the same protection as other women?
I am not the extremist here (as others have noted), with a fairly limited / restrictive view on trans rights according to medical intervention.
You are a trans exclusive radical feminist, and I'm sorry if it insults you to describe you as a trans exclusive radical feminist, but that is what you are.
Functionally identical is a stretch. No transwoman will ever bear a child through said Bartholomew Roberts, for a start. And your point about a certificate is meaningless because they are still male, whatever the paper says. If it said they were a horse would you run them at Cheltenham?
Womb transplants have happened. It's only a matter of time before a transwoman carries a baby to term.
On the subject of lower quality things being better than their 'high quality' versions, I always buy fattier minced beef.
Isn't that actually quite obvious and well known? This is not meant to insult but don't most people realise the fattier the meat, the tastier it will be?
Hence the adoration of well-marbled ribye, or super fatty Kobe Wagyu
There are few meats more disappointing that an entirely fat-less fillet steak. Sure, the texture is butter-soft, but there is almost no flavour
One would think so, but the leaner version is more expensive.
There is an issue if you're eating poor quality meat, as the fat in mammals is the repository of our toxins, but yes, if the meat is healthy, fat is absolutely an advantage.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Cow udder is a bit like tinned corned beef. If you're looking to try something unusual. And really quite difficult to buy.
Jeez - some of the footage on the glasgow reddit look quite grim.
Yep, not seen any reports of casualties so far thankfully. Not necessarily the most important thing but transport via the centre of Glasgow even more fcuked up now.
PSA for any PBers with travel plans that take them to Glasgow in the near future.
There's a huge fire burning in the city centre, right across the road from Central Station. The station is closed and is likely to be for some time given one of the involved building seems to have collapsed.
On a more amusing and fruitful note, I have just made a perfectly amazing Salad Nicoise
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
Putting potatoes in whilst they are still hot, warm beans and soft boiled eggs at the last minute make sure it’s a perfectly non-summer meal.
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
Yes exactly! It's weirdly adapted to all seasons. The only difference is that in summer you probably reduce the spuds, a bit
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Corned beef and onion sandwuch
Not entirely convinced "corned beef and onion sandwich" is a globally iconic dish, but nonetheless I am intrigued. Why does tinned corned beef wim over cold roast beef? And what onions? Pickled? Fried? Raw?
Caramelised, maybe red onion. You'd want a sweeter hit against the salt of the CB
Ooh yes. I can basically taste that right now. MMM
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Corned beef is awesome. Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
Calves liver with mash and onion gravy is a favourite. Loved a Peruvian restaurant who did an amazing beef heart dish that I still dream of.
I'm having lambs liver with onions and bacon tomorrow
I have nothing to add to the debate. Except to say that anybody who refers to "men in dresses" should be roundly ignored.
It's a complex debate, but utilising that phrase in it is a pretty good indicator someone is not entering into that debate in a reasonable manner by oversimplifying it.
Fair if people object to the phrase men in dresses. I’d suggest looking upthread to where the insults began - Cyclefree called a terf. My substantive point remains.What rights have trans men or women lost?
TERF is an abbreviation of trans exclusionary radical feminist. Are you suggesting that the terms "trans exclusionary" don't apply to Cyclcefree's (second wave, i.e. radical feminism). Huge if true.
TERF isn't an insult, it's a descriptor. That you ascribe shame to the word says a great deal about the beliefs commonly associated with it.
A descriptor can be an insult too.
And again no answer to the question. Huge.
To answer your question, according to the latest high court ruling (GLP v EHRC) my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to use the female toilets at work, despite being in possession of a cracking pair of double D's and a fabulous C-word (do dm me if you'd like to see a photo of it, though if you really want to see one, just look in the mirror).
She would be forced to out herself as trans to all her co-workers by using gender neutral toilets, dismissed as "office gossip" by the judge in said case, potentially placing her life at risk (I have witnessed violence against trans women). Those are the rights she has lost. Rights she was guaranteed as a woman with a GRC under the GRA (2004) but have been taken away on a technicality.
Your partner never had those rights. The GRA never gave those rights. There is - and never has been - any right, either under domestic law or under the ECHR, to access the loos or changing rooms of the opposite sex. That your partner was misled into believing this is the fault of those who deliberately lied - and continue to lie - about what the law says.
I have some sympathy with those who have undergone full surgical transition (though the vast majority do not and, as the EctHR has made clear - some 17 years go - such surgery cannot be a requirement of recognition or legal rights) and who do not wish to use the places reserved for their sex. But the solution is - and always has been - to make unisex spaces available. Not to deny women their safety, dignity and privacy.
Whatever you choose to believe about your partner - and I fully appreciate your love and concern - the fact is that sex cannot be changed. The strength of your belief, however sincere, does not change reality. And the other reality is that women can tell at a glance who is a a man, even one who has done whatever he can to make himself look like a woman. Why? Because our lives depend on this.
Women's rights to safety, dignity and privacy are not conditional on whether men agree to this. Our rights are not what is left over after men get what they want. We do not have to justify why we say "No" to a man or men in general.
If transidentified men want safe loos, changing rooms, rape shelters, refuges etc then they can do what women did, create them for themselves instead of demanding we give up ours. Or men can learn to be - ah yes - inclusive and kind, so that people like @kyf_100's partner are not put at risk.
Oh - and TERF is another of those words used to insult women to try and get them to shut up. "Witch", "hag", "bitch", "slut", "aggressive" etc etc. It's a very very old story and a very tiresome one. And not one any woman with any sense or self-respect pays the slightest attention to.
And they say I'm the extremist.
Do please explain to me how the GRA (2004) language, "once a full gender recognition certificate is issued to an applicant, the person’s gender becomes for all purposes the acquired gender, so that an applicant who was born a male would, in law, become a woman for all purposes" means that my beloved partner, in possession of both a GRC and a c****, should be excluded from being able to piss in safety and privacy.
Not legal chicanery. Not get out clauses, dispensations, different statutory processes. Do please explain to me, that when a hard right ideologue like Widdecombe believes a trans woman who has gone "the Full Turbotubbs" so to speak and has a functionally identical "Bartholomew Roberts" to a cis woman, should enjoy the same rights as a cis woman, you think that such women are not deserving of the same protection as other women?
I am not the extremist here (as others have noted), with a fairly limited / restrictive view on trans rights according to medical intervention.
You are a trans exclusive radical feminist, and I'm sorry if it insults you to describe you as a trans exclusive radical feminist, but that is what you are.
Functionally identical is a stretch. No transwoman will ever bear a child through said Bartholomew Roberts, for a start. And your point about a certificate is meaningless because they are still male, whatever the paper says. If it said they were a horse would you run them at Cheltenham?
Womb transplants have happened. It's only a matter of time before a transwoman carries a baby to term.
I’m prepared to bet they will come out via the sun roof though.
The worst experience was eating sheep’s bollocks in an Azerbaijani restaurant in St Petersburg. Was quite pissed so went with it as an option expecting them to be in some sort of ragu with breads. No. Six giant balls on a plate arrived. I managed five of them washed down each mouthful with a slug of an Azerbaijani wine and my ex had a bit of one and said she definitely preferred my balls but would never put them in her mouth again without flashbacks.
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A funny man regardless of label
@tom_nuttall
Big win forecast for the Greens forecast in Baden-Württemberg. The CDU enjoyed a double-digit polling lead not so long ago. Even recent polls had them neck and neck.
https://x.com/tom_nuttall/status/2030690588559900823
Tom Nuttall
@tom_nuttall
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Disaster for
@_FriedrichMerz
in the CDU's first big electoral test since he took office, and for his identikit state candidate
@HagelManuel
Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
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This is what life looks like when you lose a by-election 🤣
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2030732125633224866
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FFS.
This is exactly why you lost. You were a southern academic parachuted into a not doing too well suburb of a northern city and this is your response to losing???
Fuck me.
At least Cameron with his hut for writing never pretended to be a man of the plumber class.
Believe it or not I have a trans experience very close to me, closer than yours, perhaps, which leads me to feel very very differently to you
Unlike you I do not parade it, indeed I barely mention it. I am therefore tempted to abuse you in the way you have abused me, but I shall not
Have a good day
And then he attempts humour that only works if you read PB every day.
Most are the others are by The Smiths mind you, and AM by Arctic Monkeys
He really doesn't care
The fact that I've several times pointed out my partner is both trans and dead and this is the first time you have noticed it, proves my point.
As it is, I'll simply say that you should look at my original post to which Tubbsy replied to, where I matter of factly pointed out stuff "my partner (deceased) would no longer be allowed to..." to which he tactlessly decided to reply "I wish you and her all the joy in the world" which is why I am upset and have nailed the "my partner is dead post it note" more firmly into people's thick skulls than usual when this debate rears its head on PB.
I don't make an issue out of my partner's death, and haven't, for many years, precisely because a moist "Barty Roberts" like you would accuse me of being "emotional" and "too close to the subject to be objective".
It was different in many ways, and so were those that did the governing
In World War II the average IQ of the American Cabinet was 126
In Iran it was 19
In-in-in Iran it was 19...
This is not self praise, merely admiration of the dude who ever invented Salad Nicoise. There is a misconception that it is a summer salad for hot places, but that is so woing. It is ideal as consolation in winter (the umami, the spuds, the anchovies), as a light zzzzip of energy in summer, and it is great as a memory of summer in autumn, It is also extremely healthy and yet tastes as more-ish as the best fish and chips, it has a fast food gastro-vibe
The key is ingredients. You want the best of everything. Ortiz tuna in oil, Ortiz anchovies, Burford's eggs, the finest new potatoes (Jersey?), excellent bread to mop up, kalamata olives, really good capers, fine beans, just make sure everything is good. That means it is not cheap but it is still a world class culinary experience for about £15-20 a salad
The last person I was with, engaged to (and will almost certainly be the last person I'm ever with in that way) I told her once I'd burn the world down for her. And I would have. Now I wouldn't even burn the toast for her.
If whatever you have been through with partner/family or suicide or all of the above is remotely comparable to what I've been through, I get you. I took up [deleted drug reference] again when she died. Took me a while to crawl out of that one.
It stings. Then it gets under your skin. Then it burns. And it keeps burning.
Feel free to DM/reach out to me any time.
I shared this very interesting article a couple of days ago
https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2026/mar/05/power-without-a-throne-how-khalifa-haftar-controls-libya-and-is-answerable-to-no-one
By way of reward, he gets to be stroked by Claudia Winkelman
If he hadn't won, you'd have heard the sound of guns cocking...
In other debates I find you an engaging and open-minded poster, and I am genuinely saddened by your story. It's very sad
Maybe that's why I avoid this debate, on both sides there is great sadnesss, and yet no resolution, no redemption. It also engulfs and maddens lovely smart people - Graham Linehan on X is the classic example. It is a tragedy that a comic writer with his talent and CV will probably end up being remembered as the anti-trans nutter on social media. It's awful
So, peace and love. Maybe @TSE can give us a thread about Scottish subsamples and AV to cleanse the PB palate
I was weirdly going to cook that for some of my family tonight but they pooh-pooed it. Their loss.
For what little it is worth, I think my views on this debate are quite uncharacteristically moderate and mainstream.
I think trans people should be treated with respect and should be treated how they desire to be treated and identified how they desire to be identified as . . . Unless it violates safeguarding.
Where safeguarding and identification collide, then safeguarding has to come first, however if safeguarding is not an issue then just call everyone whatever they want to be called.
And always treat everyone with respect.
I feel vaguely obliged to give a reply to every Cyclefree header on the subject, but would really rather not - it's not even in my top 10 subjects I want to talk about. Hence why when TSE says anyone is welcome to submit a response as a thread header I think yeah but no. I'll respond to trans threads, but I won't start them.
Peace.
It's also a fascinating example of a classic high quality dish where the "tinned" version of the main ingredient is better than the "real" version
I've had multiple nicoise salads where the chef boasts he uses fresh tuna, not tinned. But no matter how good it is (never that good), tinned is way better. Fresh tuna ruins the dish, weirdly. It dominates and the texture is wrong
Is there any other significant dish where that can be said? Tinned or canned is superior?
Anyway, just found a new Morrissey song, "Trouble Loves Me" and I think i will play that to death for a while
I would welcome it, personally. 👍
Probably also a classic cheeseburger. You don't actually want a large slice of exellent Black Bomber cheddar over that meat patty, you want a disgusting cheap processed Kraft single, it works and melts better, and doesn't obtrude
My Dad, RIP, loved corned beef. Probably from his wartime and postwar austerity childhood, where it was practically a gourmet delight
He also had a lifelong love of cold pressed tongue (which I have inherited). It is delicious, and great in a sandwich with mustard
Again I figure this was austerity, offal and weird meat cuts were all that people could get - eg tongue. Sadly this also led to great British culinary cul de sacs, like overcooked school dinner liver, which tasted of ancient wellington boot
Offal is generally delicious although I'm not a tripe fan particularly. Liver needs flash frying
Giblet stock for gravy. Nommers
The TL;DR of my views is that trans women are women, but transition is a process, i.e. the law should grant you full rights and treat you as any other woman post SRS and post GRC (which would be dependent on SRS). Prior to that, trans women would have limited rights based on their trans status. E.g. only a fully transitioned woman would be legally allowed by her employer into a shared changing room to undress with other women, but a transitioning woman on hormones is OK to use the loo so long as it's private. And so on. But you can't just say "Hey, I'm trans" and go around like Isla Bryson et al and expect to be treated as a woman. For member orgs like the WI, I think it should be a matter of conscience. If a group wants to be trans inclusive, let them. If they don't want to be, that's OK too.
I don't believe in self ID, and so on, and all the other "extreme" demands. I think it's limited, it's a process and - importantly - I think we should be kind to those who are clearly transitioning or transitioned but don't pass, e.g. I have a friend who is 6'4, post surgery and if she was 5'4 you would never believe she was trans - as it is she gets treated as if she has a willy even though she doesn't...There will always be grey areas and difficult cases, but my experience of trans people via my partner is they tend to avoid conflict rather than seek it, and much of the current hysteria is overblown and reflective of certain wealthy interests funding it as part of the culture war wedge. This wasn't an issue 5 years ago.
I've had great chitterlings, I've enjoyed tripe up to a point, and heart can be magnificent. It bursts with flavour. Just needs long and careful cooking
I draw the line at brains. OMG. Brains. The soft squidgy texture. Ach, no
That said, Britain generally does the best sandwiches in the world
https://x.com/stuartm98/status/2030745171508244552?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
Hence the adoration of well-marbled ribye, or super fatty Kobe Wagyu
There are few meats more disappointing that an entirely fat-less fillet steak. Sure, the texture is butter-soft, but there is almost no flavour
"Mr Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beasts and fowls. He liked thick giblet soup, nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liverslices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencods' roes. Most of all he liked grilled mutton kidneys which gave to his palate a fine tang of faintly scented urine.”
Apparently Khamenei didn’t want this type of succession so this might prove a problem
Not sure thats going to go down well with Ali Larijani and his clan amongst others.
He was also partial to a Gorgonzola sandwich, IIRC, another excellent choice
There is an issue if you're eating poor quality meat, as the fat in mammals is the repository of our toxins, but yes, if the meat is healthy, fat is absolutely an advantage.
Not necessarily the most important thing but transport via the centre of Glasgow even more fcuked up now.
There's a huge fire burning in the city centre, right across the road from Central Station. The station is closed and is likely to be for some time given one of the involved building seems to have collapsed.
Categorical proof that they hit the girls school .