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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,974
    rcs1000 said:

    Why is no one talking about the Trafalgar poll that shows Trump with a positive approval rating???

    Because both TSE and your old man have Views on posting fake polls?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,514
    Wrexham!!!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,974

    Sandpit said:

    At least two drones shot down over residential areas of Dubai this evening, damage and injuries on the ground. Nowhere near any military facilities, whoever said this morning that he was calling off the attacks clearly doesn’t have the authority to actually do it.

    It was only the President...
    I actually think in light of recent events there is something to be said for presidential systems where the President doesn’t command the military.

    Although that is true of the President of Israel and it hasn’t helped much.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,514
    Boo!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,290

    kle4 said:

    Cicero said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    I don't think any other murderer in this country has quite such an impact as Ian Huntley.

    The whole CRB/DBS stuff is a direct result of him, which is a massive pain, especially if like me, you have to undergo the enhanced version.

    It was needed though and has made children safer as a result.

    None will mourn Huntley but why on earth he was in a workshop with metal poles and with a murderer and rapist serving a whole life term order with nothing to lose who he had apparently been arguing with on his wing is beyond me? Huntley should have served his full 40 year jail term and the Prison Service has questions to answer
    I think this was probably a better sentence for him than a 40 year term. Think of the savings if we put all the child murderers in an arena with metal poles. The gov could set up a premium rate phone line for people to bet on who survives each day and use the revenue to cover the prison service costs.
    He was murdered by somebody serving a whole of life. Grim. One thinks of Trump v the Mullahs.
    The murder, himself, is guilty of ghastly crimes.

    So a hideous murderer hideously murdered a hideous murderer in some kind of quest for status.

    There's nothing in that to celebrate.
    Indeed not.
    An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. We do not have the death penalty for many profound reasons, whether you agree with them or not.
    I for one felt that this brutal murder solved nothing and asks important questions about how responsible we are, as a society, when a man, however vile, was murdered in a place where our system of justice placed him.
    Even if people support the death penalty, and certainly like almost everyone else sheds no tears for Huntley as an individual, as a society I don't think we want murders in prison to become commonplace. When a punishment is handed down that is what is expected to be delivered, from a purely practical point of view of state authority you don't want that circumvented.
    I don't believe in the death penalty, but I do believe in assisted dying for prisoners (as I believe in it for everyone else who wants it too).

    If someone is serving a whole life term, and knows they will never be released, and knows they should never be released (as opposed to someone wrongly convicted) and desires to end it all, we should support them to do so safely.

    No reason we should stubbornly keep people alive who no longer desire to live, just for the hell of it. If they want to end it, we should let them.
    Perhaps this could be the 2,585th Lords amendment to the bill.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    There's never been a country Sir Tony hasn't wanted to bomb the crap out of...

    The Daily Mail backs a ear monger against Starmer.

    Labour will be dancing in the streets.

    Meanwhile Kemi insults the RAF for lying down and waiting for things to happen.
    You must drink a lot.
    Tea total
    That’s probably the problem. If you weren’t teatotal you might get out and make friends and enjoy life rather than spamming us about Kemi and how wonderful Labour are.

    Go on, have a pint of whiskey.
    {Ken Livingstone mode}

    You know who else was teetotal?....
    I thought he was vegetarian?
    Both, like you and DumaAce
    I thought Durex_Ace was a vegan?
    Being vegan doesn’t stop one being vegetarian, surely?
    I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan.
    I never suggested that you were a vegan
    Dura's a vegan - no animal products at all.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,628

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    There's never been a country Sir Tony hasn't wanted to bomb the crap out of...

    The Daily Mail backs a ear monger against Starmer.

    Labour will be dancing in the streets.

    Meanwhile Kemi insults the RAF for lying down and waiting for things to happen.
    You must drink a lot.
    Tea total
    That’s probably the problem. If you weren’t teatotal you might get out and make friends and enjoy life rather than spamming us about Kemi and how wonderful Labour are.

    Go on, have a pint of whiskey.
    {Ken Livingstone mode}

    You know who else was teetotal?....
    I thought he was vegetarian?
    Both, like you and DumaAce
    I thought Durex_Ace was a vegan?
    Being vegan doesn’t stop one being vegetarian, surely?
    I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan.
    I never suggested that you were a vegan
    Dura's a vegan - no animal products at all.
    That distinction is irrelevant to everything I've said; he is also, therefore, a vegetarian
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,974

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    How they could get away with playing filth like that I don’t know. It’s fifty shades of red, white and blue.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291
    geoffw said:

    Wrexham!!!

    Disallowed?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,290

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    There's never been a country Sir Tony hasn't wanted to bomb the crap out of...

    The Daily Mail backs a ear monger against Starmer.

    Labour will be dancing in the streets.

    Meanwhile Kemi insults the RAF for lying down and waiting for things to happen.
    You must drink a lot.
    Tea total
    That’s probably the problem. If you weren’t teatotal you might get out and make friends and enjoy life rather than spamming us about Kemi and how wonderful Labour are.

    Go on, have a pint of whiskey.
    {Ken Livingstone mode}

    You know who else was teetotal?....
    I thought he was vegetarian?
    Both, like you and DumaAce
    I thought Durex_Ace was a vegan?
    Being vegan doesn’t stop one being vegetarian, surely?
    I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan.
    I never suggested that you were a vegan
    Dura's a vegan - no animal products at all.
    I thought he ate tories?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291
    ydoethur said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    How they could get away with playing filth like that I don’t know. It’s fifty shades of red, white and blue.
    I only ever watch GB News for "research" purposes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,290

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    That really shouldn't happen.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,284

    ydoethur said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    How they could get away with playing filth like that I don’t know. It’s fifty shades of red, white and blue.
    I only ever watch GB News for "research" purposes.
    I would sincerely recommend switching to "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of Death" - much more factual, for a start.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,946

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    There's never been a country Sir Tony hasn't wanted to bomb the crap out of...

    The Daily Mail backs a ear monger against Starmer.

    Labour will be dancing in the streets.

    Meanwhile Kemi insults the RAF for lying down and waiting for things to happen.
    You must drink a lot.
    Tea total
    That’s probably the problem. If you weren’t teatotal you might get out and make friends and enjoy life rather than spamming us about Kemi and how wonderful Labour are.

    Go on, have a pint of whiskey.
    {Ken Livingstone mode}

    You know who else was teetotal?....
    I thought he was vegetarian?
    Both, like you and DumaAce
    I thought Durex_Ace was a vegan?
    Being vegan doesn’t stop one being vegetarian, surely?
    I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan.
    I never suggested that you were a vegan
    How do you tell someone is a vegan?

    You don't need to, just have any conversation and they'll tell you.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,895

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    No, absolutely true. CNN in the bar, Anne Diamond for breakfast. I have spent time with Anne Diamond and I found her to be very engaging, larticularly her work on the RSRE at Malvern. But she was busy soiling herself this morning. They were discussing an opinion poll suggesting only 22% were supportive of a war with Iran, but her bozo compadre chipped in that if the don't knows were added to the yeses there was almost a majority in favour.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,582

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323
    edited 8:29PM
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    Blair on same page as Kemi

    I didn't expect that
    Blair is too rightwing for Labour now but too liberal on immigration and anti Brexit to be in Reform, on economics and foreign and social policy he could easily be a Tory of the Cameroon sort. Even the LDs on foreign policy are too doveish for Blair and the Greens are way left of him
    I don’t think it’s as nuanced as that, with Blair, like Mandelson, it’s money mad, complete suck up merchant. He sits on the board of peace, when not sitting with rich gulf Arabs. I don’t trust his opinions are in it for us, the British People, at all.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361
    I really dislike the toy dogs.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,090

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Sir Kier getting an Iran Bounce?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323

    ydoethur said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    How they could get away with playing filth like that I don’t know. It’s fifty shades of red, white and blue.
    I only ever watch GB News for "research" purposes.
    Be careful when experimenting with such things.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291
    GIN1138 said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Sir Kier getting an Iran Bounce?
    "No Churchill" Bounce!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    England trudging to their first defeat by Italy. Well done Mr Borthwick

    Squeaky Bolognese time?
    At least we can no longer pretend this is "a team in progress", and "building for the World Cup". It's a fucking mess, and Borthwick has no idea how to fix it

    Oh well. Onwards to the Footie
    I'm actually pleased by this result.
    Borthwick is taking them nowhere, and scraping a win might have allowed him to cling on.

    We need to rebuild from the ground up.
    I have a Welsh friend who is an absolute genius rugby analyst. His dad was nearly an international, he learned the game from the age of 3 at his papa's knee

    When Borthwick was appointed he laughed, happily and said "that's the worst possible choice for England, he is a decent club manager, but no more than that. He has no imagination, no creativity, no charisma, he can't inspire anyone, he won't ever win anything and it will be just a load of kicking"

    I had a horrible feeling he was right, from the get-go, and nothing since has proved my pal wrong

    Hmm. My curiosity is peaked @Leon. I’m curious to know who this person is. My uncle was the treasurer of the WRFU in the 80s and 90s. My Dad played for Swansea and Gloucester.They (and the rest of my family) share in the opinion of Borthwick.
    If it helps. his surnames is "Davies". That should narrow it down a lot, in Welsh rugby terms?

    His dad's story is quite poignant. He was a genuinely brilliant rugby player, but also very short sighted. This was before contact lenses were a feasible solution. He was so good he was able to compensate, at lower club levels, for the fact he could barely see the ball before it hit him in the nose - by being superbly prescient. But as he rose in the rugby ranks it became obvious his myopia was a deal breaker. So he gave up the game entirely

    One forgets that, before contact lenses, short sight was a career ending problem in many sports

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    GIN1138 said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Sir Kier getting an Iran Bounce?
    Maybe, but Labour were (-5) last week with Opinium so reversion to mean with pollster?
    Remarkably, the Tories have been 16 to 18 with Opinium every single poll since the one that straddled LE 2025
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    The old order is broken and how this pans out over the next 3 years I do not know, but I simply do not want reform or the greens anywhere near power
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,939
    geoffw said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    There's never been a country Sir Tony hasn't wanted to bomb the crap out of...

    The Daily Mail backs a ear monger against Starmer.

    Labour will be dancing in the streets.

    Meanwhile Kemi insults the RAF for lying down and waiting for things to happen.
    You must drink a lot.
    Tea total
    That’s probably the problem. If you weren’t teatotal you might get out and make friends and enjoy life rather than spamming us about Kemi and how wonderful Labour are.

    Go on, have a pint of whiskey.
    {Ken Livingstone mode}

    You know who else was teetotal?....
    I thought he was vegetarian?
    Both, like you and DumaAce
    I thought Durex_Ace was a vegan?
    Ace Starmer, also.

    Seeing a trend here
    "What a guy!"
    Where's @hamiltonace these days?

    Probably angling to get on the Holyrood candidate list for Reform if I recall correctly the drift of his recent posts.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,661
    Naturally I agree with the lack of sympathy for Huntley, but it does not sit easy with me that this sort of thing happens (appreciate it's not necessarily one (probably equally terrible) inmate dishing out retribution). Someone mentioned the murder of this awful individual:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huckle

    I wouldn't recommend reading what the perpetrator did to him, but this is appalling:

    On 24 November 2020, Fitzgerald was sentenced to life imprisonment with the judge stating that he must serve a minimum of 34 years in prison before being eligible for parole due to the "sadistic" and pre-meditated nature of the attack which, it was revealed during sentencing, went on for over an hour before prison staff were made aware.

    How is it not an instant whole-life tariff?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361
    Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Azerbaijan must be wondering if their membership (at a billion bucks) actually delivers any benefits of being in the Board of Peace...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,582
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    In fact. If you take 2% off Reform and give 0.5% to each of the other four, then Reform have a majority of 28.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,939
    kinabalu said:

    boulay said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    'Tony Blair has rebuked Keir Starmer for his lack of support for Donald Trump's war on Iran, telling the Prime Minister: 'We should have backed America from the very beginning'.

    Amid mounting diplomatic tensions between London and Washington over the conflict, Sir Tony warned his successor as Labour leader: 'If they are your ally and they are an indispensable cornerstone for your security... you had better show up'.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15623903/Tony-Blair-rebukes-Keir-Starmer-not-backing-Trump-Iran.html

    There's never been a country Sir Tony hasn't wanted to bomb the crap out of...

    The Daily Mail backs a ear monger against Starmer.

    Labour will be dancing in the streets.

    Meanwhile Kemi insults the RAF for lying down and waiting for things to happen.
    You must drink a lot.
    Tea total
    That’s probably the problem. If you weren’t teatotal you might get out and make friends and enjoy life rather than spamming us about Kemi and how wonderful Labour are.

    Go on, have a pint of whiskey.
    {Ken Livingstone mode}

    You know who else was teetotal?....
    I thought he was vegetarian?
    Both, like you and DumaAce
    I thought Durex_Ace was a vegan?
    Being vegan doesn’t stop one being vegetarian, surely?
    I'm a vegetarian, not a vegan.
    I never suggested that you were a vegan
    Dura's a vegan - no animal products at all.
    I thought he ate tories?
    Then spits them out contemptuously.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323

    Andy_JS said:

    Is there anything more ridiculous than Iran attacking Gulf States?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

    No
    Andy, BigG - what about if you put your head in the mind of an Iranian nationalist, what they are doing makes perfect sense then, doesn’t it?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361
    kinabalu said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    That really shouldn't happen.
    Indeed. There should be a law against staying in Basingstoke.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406

    GIN1138 said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Sir Kier getting an Iran Bounce?
    Maybe, but Labour were (-5) last week with Opinium so reversion to mean with pollster?
    Remarkably, the Tories have been 16 to 18 with Opinium every single poll since the one that straddled LE 2025
    As I mentioned the whole survey should be considered and understood, not least because events change and in this fast unpredictable environment it is impossible to guess where this ends, if it does
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361
    tlg86 said:

    Naturally I agree with the lack of sympathy for Huntley, but it does not sit easy with me that this sort of thing happens (appreciate it's not necessarily one (probably equally terrible) inmate dishing out retribution). Someone mentioned the murder of this awful individual:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huckle

    I wouldn't recommend reading what the perpetrator did to him, but this is appalling:

    On 24 November 2020, Fitzgerald was sentenced to life imprisonment with the judge stating that he must serve a minimum of 34 years in prison before being eligible for parole due to the "sadistic" and pre-meditated nature of the attack which, it was revealed during sentencing, went on for over an hour before prison staff were made aware.

    How is it not an instant whole-life tariff?

    You then have no way to exert control over them. They can literally become the prison executioner. "What yer gonna do?"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,895
    edited 8:42PM

    I really dislike the toy dogs.

    Try simply eating a portion at a time, rather than the whole thing in one sitting..
  • isamisam Posts: 43,802
    Sir Keir getting the PM war bounce

    🚨 Latest Opinium
    @ObserverUK
    poll 🚨

    Leader ratings remain negative across the board, although Starmer recovers some ground.

    Keir Starmer: -42
    Nigel Farage: -17
    Kemi Badenoch: -11
    Zack Polanski: -10
    Ed Davey: -4


    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/2030372917465473107?s=20
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    edited 8:47PM
    Reforms 'top' is currently 31 with JL Partners (reported 12 Feb) and Survation (end Jan) and their low is 22 Ashcroft (non BPC) or 23 (YouGov this week)

    Amongst pollsters who have reported in 2026, the latest poll ranges

    Labour 15 to 23 (FoN to JL Partners)
    Tory 16 to 20 (Opinium and YouGov to 4 pollsters on 20)
    Green 9 to 21 (JLP to YG/FoN)
    LD 10 to 14 (Opinium/FoN to 4 pollsters on 14)
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,847

    Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Azerbaijan must be wondering if their membership (at a billion bucks) actually delivers any benefits of being in the Board of Peace...

    I'm not sure any wondering is necessary. It was a transparent bribe paid to the least trustworthy individual to ever enter high office.

    It's like if you know someone who transferred a big chunk of their savings to a Nigerian prince on the back of an email. It's hard to feel too sympathetic to someone doing something so stupid.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,661

    tlg86 said:

    Naturally I agree with the lack of sympathy for Huntley, but it does not sit easy with me that this sort of thing happens (appreciate it's not necessarily one (probably equally terrible) inmate dishing out retribution). Someone mentioned the murder of this awful individual:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Huckle

    I wouldn't recommend reading what the perpetrator did to him, but this is appalling:

    On 24 November 2020, Fitzgerald was sentenced to life imprisonment with the judge stating that he must serve a minimum of 34 years in prison before being eligible for parole due to the "sadistic" and pre-meditated nature of the attack which, it was revealed during sentencing, went on for over an hour before prison staff were made aware.

    How is it not an instant whole-life tariff?

    You then have no way to exert control over them. They can literally become the prison executioner. "What yer gonna do?"
    Solitary confinement for life.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,895
    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    First time I've seen such filthy in public. I have already complained to Hampshire trading standards.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291

    I really dislike the toy dogs.

    Try simply eating a portion at a time, rather than the whole thing in one sitting..
    Vegan no dog Cambodian dog curry.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 431
    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    If it upsets the pompous on here so much the better...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    First time I've seen such filthy in public. I have already complained to Hampshire trading standards.
    Personal choice, don't really see that going anywhere.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,569
    Bruno Maçães
    @MacaesBruno
    ·
    4h
    When Europe starts to pay a heavy price tor this war Sanchez will be able to say he was against it. Other European leaders will have to explain to voters why they cheered it on

    https://x.com/MacaesBruno/status/2030314189185503556
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,902
    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    I know rumours are not to be taken as read, but for information purposes to those considering London Mayor bets, Dan Wootton is reporting 'Reform sources' (hi Zia) as saying Laila Cunningham is melting down and wont end up on the ballot for Reform
    I have no idea if he is talking out of his arse, nor do i care, for info only, DYOR etc
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519
    edited 8:55PM
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323

    Reforms 'top' is currently 31 with JL Partners (reported 12 Feb) and Survation (end Jan) and their low is 22 Ashcroft (non BPC) or 23 (YouGov this week)

    Amongst pollsters who have reported in 2026, the latest poll ranges

    Labour 15 to 23 (FoN to JL Partners)
    Tory 16 to 20 (Opinium and YouGov to 4 pollsters on 20)
    Green 9 to 21 (JLP to YG/FoN)
    LD 10 to 14 (Opinium/FoN to 4 pollsters on 14)

    What immediately leaps out, the consistency of the established parties versus the all over the shop of the populist ones.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    edited 8:58PM

    Andy_JS said:

    Is there anything more ridiculous than Iran attacking Gulf States?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

    No
    Andy, BigG - what about if you put your head in the mind of an Iranian nationalist, what they are doing makes perfect sense then, doesn’t it?
    My wife's hairdresser said her Iranian friend had cancelled her 6 year old daughter's birthday party yesterday because they were worried sick about their family in Iran but support the US action

    And by the way once the US and Israel took their action, they involved all their allies in the arena and Iran's indiscriminate firing of drones and missiles towards our bases means we are legally entitled to eliminate the location of those sites

    We did not start this war, but we are in it now and it is unacceptable to expect US to act on our behalf when we have the capability to defend ourselves

    Apparently 4 x BI aircraft with upto 24 cruise missiles each are about to leave Fairford to attack Iran and B52s are said to be joining them

    We are very much part of these operations now
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    Is TalkTV still a thing?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319

    Reforms 'top' is currently 31 with JL Partners (reported 12 Feb) and Survation (end Jan) and their low is 22 Ashcroft (non BPC) or 23 (YouGov this week)

    Amongst pollsters who have reported in 2026, the latest poll ranges

    Labour 15 to 23 (FoN to JL Partners)
    Tory 16 to 20 (Opinium and YouGov to 4 pollsters on 20)
    Green 9 to 21 (JLP to YG/FoN)
    LD 10 to 14 (Opinium/FoN to 4 pollsters on 14)

    What immediately leaps out, the consistency of the established parties versus the all over the shop of the populist ones.
    What leaps out to me is LD, Lab and Con are at or just above their base (the 16 to 18 Con have hit with Opinium for 10 months solid screams' 'core vote')
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,779
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    They are losing hundreds of millions every year. It's a rich guys plaything
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    They are losing hundreds of millions every year. It's a rich guys plaything
    In fairness, does the BBC News turn a profit?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947
    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323
    That doesn’t answer the question from Andy, but today the Iranian leader actually explained it to us and answered yours and Andy’s question, and why they will carry on doing it. It’s perfectly logical.

    US bases.

    * Qatar: Al Udeid Air Base forward headquarters for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)
    Bahrain: Naval Support Activity Home to the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet
    * Kuwait: Ali Al Salem Air Base & Camp Arifjan a
    * United Arab Emirates: Al Dhafra Air Base housing F-22 Raptors
    * Jordan: Muwaffaq al Salti Air Base F-15E Strike Eagles

    US attacked Iran - at war with Iran - and that war and that hell coming from the skies is coming at them out of those US bases hosted in their countries.

    Also, in much of the same thinking as Trump and Israel trying to ferment a rise up in Iran, to be their boots on the ground for them, do all people in those countries with US bases, support this war on Iran, or some feel strongly against it? Particularly in Iraq.

    If you PB guys are going to put the pointy hats on whenever there’s a war, you need to be better armchair generals than not understanding the obvious stuff.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    See below ;)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,754
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    In fact. If you take 2% off Reform and give 0.5% to each of the other four, then Reform have a majority of 28.
    Which goes to show that projected seat numbers, while grisly fun, are misleading. The reality is that projecting to a 2029 GE is a difficult exercise and the strong probability is that the polling figures won't look like they do now, and just as important, the next election will looks like being a carnival of tactical voting.

    Current odds give a roughly 63% chance that Reform won't get most seats, let alone a majority. Current polling figures give them an effortless majority.

    As to the next GE result, my current thinking is a stage by stage one: The majority of seats, barring weirdness, must go either to Left of Centre or Right of Centre. Each of the two poles consistently command about equal numbers of votes. Which of the two groups (Left and Right) will be more willing, able and organised to vote tactically to maximise the effect of their vote?

    My tentative answer for now: Left of Centre is better placed. They will scrape their way to 325+ seats, and cobble some sort of government together.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323

    Reforms 'top' is currently 31 with JL Partners (reported 12 Feb) and Survation (end Jan) and their low is 22 Ashcroft (non BPC) or 23 (YouGov this week)

    Amongst pollsters who have reported in 2026, the latest poll ranges

    Labour 15 to 23 (FoN to JL Partners)
    Tory 16 to 20 (Opinium and YouGov to 4 pollsters on 20)
    Green 9 to 21 (JLP to YG/FoN)
    LD 10 to 14 (Opinium/FoN to 4 pollsters on 14)

    What immediately leaps out, the consistency of the established parties versus the all over the shop of the populist ones.
    What leaps out to me is LD, Lab and Con are at or just above their base (the 16 to 18 Con have hit with Opinium for 10 months solid screams' 'core vote')
    And we don’t really know, when GE - elect an actual government - decision time comes, what the floor is for the two populist parties.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,514
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Go Leon!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519
    edited 9:03PM
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Well I would imagine that is not Labour, the Greens or LDs, probably not the Tories so is Laila pulling out in your favour then for the Reform nomination?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688
    edited 9:03PM
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Advance or Restore?

    No matter who, do it!

    Slogan: London is Back! Or not. Actually it's back again!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323
    Has Brummy Brixi “By Order Of The Fuckin Lefties” explained why Union disputes are keeping British Warships trapped in docks?

    "I never thought I would see the day when Britain's allies felt that they could not rely on us. This week, they have described us as weak. They've accused us of deserting them, of going missing in action. They have watched Britain refusing to send reinforcements to defend our military bases in the Mediterranean. The US, Greece and France have all sent ships. Ours is stuck in Portsmouth Harbour because of a union dispute."
    - Kemi Badenoch.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291

    That doesn’t answer the question from Andy, but today the Iranian leader actually explained it to us and answered yours and Andy’s question, and why they will carry on doing it. It’s perfectly logical.

    US bases.

    * Qatar: Al Udeid Air Base forward headquarters for U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM)
    Bahrain: Naval Support Activity Home to the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet
    * Kuwait: Ali Al Salem Air Base & Camp Arifjan a
    * United Arab Emirates: Al Dhafra Air Base housing F-22 Raptors
    * Jordan: Muwaffaq al Salti Air Base F-15E Strike Eagles

    US attacked Iran - at war with Iran - and that war and that hell coming from the skies is coming at them out of those US bases hosted in their countries.

    Also, in much of the same thinking as Trump and Israel trying to ferment a rise up in Iran, to be their boots on the ground for them, do all people in those countries with US bases, support this war on Iran, or some feel strongly against it? Particularly in Iraq.

    If you PB guys are going to put the pointy hats on whenever there’s a war, you need to be better armchair generals than not understanding the obvious stuff.

    “War educates the senses, calls into action the will, perfects the physical constitution, brings PBers into such swift and close collision in critical moments that PBer measures PBer.”
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319

    Reforms 'top' is currently 31 with JL Partners (reported 12 Feb) and Survation (end Jan) and their low is 22 Ashcroft (non BPC) or 23 (YouGov this week)

    Amongst pollsters who have reported in 2026, the latest poll ranges

    Labour 15 to 23 (FoN to JL Partners)
    Tory 16 to 20 (Opinium and YouGov to 4 pollsters on 20)
    Green 9 to 21 (JLP to YG/FoN)
    LD 10 to 14 (Opinium/FoN to 4 pollsters on 14)

    What immediately leaps out, the consistency of the established parties versus the all over the shop of the populist ones.
    What leaps out to me is LD, Lab and Con are at or just above their base (the 16 to 18 Con have hit with Opinium for 10 months solid screams' 'core vote')
    And we don’t really know, when GE - elect an actual government - decision time comes, what the floor is for the two populist parties.
    Correct
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,582
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Go for it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,895
    edited 9:04PM
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Do the Monster Raving Loonies stand a mayoral candidate?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947
    edited 9:05PM
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    They are losing hundreds of millions every year. It's a rich guys plaything
    Er, they're not. They are losing money but it's nothing on that scale Sorry

    "GB News has posted another loss-making year despite sharp growth in viewing figures, with the Paul Marshall-owned broadcaster now burning through some £120m since its launch in 2021.

    "In new accounts filed for the year ending in May 2025, GB News said its loss amounted to just over £22m.

    "That was smaller than in 2024, with its loss for the year being revised down to £32.7m from a previous £33.4m figure. "

    https://www.cityam.com/gb-news-loss-widens-despite-revenue-jump/

    At this rate they will make a profit in 2-4 years? Given their growing influence, I imagine the owners will be very happy with that

    Meanwhile. Sky News is watched by about 7 people and is heading for the morque, C4 News isn't much better, and who knows how BBC News would fare if they weren't funded by an obligatory poll tax, backed by jail sentences for miscreants

    Making money out of news is quite hard - tho it can be done
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Advance or Restore?

    No matter who, do it!

    Slogan: London is Back! Or not. Actually it's back again!
    Advance dont count as a top political party
    Restore arent even registered yet.
    Its Mebyon Kernow on an awayday
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,569
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Go Leon!

    He may have reveal his true identity though, at least to the returning officer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    They are losing hundreds of millions every year. It's a rich guys plaything
    Er, they're not. They are losing money but it's nothing on that scale Sorry

    "GB News has posted another loss-making year despite sharp growth in viewing figures, with the Paul Marshall-owned broadcaster now burning through some £120m since its launch in 2021.

    "In new accounts filed for the year ending in May 2025, GB News said its loss amounted to just over £22m.

    "That was smaller than in 2024, with its loss for the year being revised down to £32.7m from a previous £33.4m figure. "

    https://www.cityam.com/gb-news-loss-widens-despite-revenue-jump/

    At this rate they will make a profit in 2-4 years? Given their growing influence, I imagine the owners will be very happy with that

    Meanwhile. Sky News is watched by about 7 people and is heading for the morque, C4 News isn't much better, and who knows how BBC News would fare if they weren't funded by an obligatory poll tax, backed by jail sentences for miscreants

    Making money out of news is quite hard - tho it can be done
    Open a GB News 'AI Division' and no one would even blink at losses less than a couple billion a year.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,902
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Advance or Restore?

    No matter who, do it!

    Slogan: London is Back! Or not. Actually it's back again!
    Is it though? When a proud Londoner can't even find somewhere to buy a decent fossil? And I don't mean the potential mayoral candidate is open to bribery.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323

    Andy_JS said:

    Is there anything more ridiculous than Iran attacking Gulf States?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

    No
    Andy, BigG - what about if you put your head in the mind of an Iranian nationalist, what they are doing makes perfect sense then, doesn’t it?
    My wife's hairdresser said her Iranian friend had cancelled her 6 year old daughter's birthday party yesterday because they were worried sick about their family in Iran but support the US action

    And by the way once the US and Israel took their action, they involved all their allies in the arena and Iran's indiscriminate firing of drones and missiles towards our bases means we are legally entitled to eliminate the location of those sites

    We did not start this war, but we are in it now and it is unacceptable to expect US to act on our behalf when we have the capability to defend ourselves

    Apparently 4 x BI aircraft with upto 24 cruise missiles each are about to leave Fairford to attack Iran and B52s are said to be joining them

    We are very much part of these operations now
    “ We are very much part of these operations now”

    We started the day asking if you are on message with Kemi Big G, I’m still asking you, are you sure you are?


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,569
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    You know though that if you win you wont be allowed to spend the whole winter in Thailand followed by a tour of some obscure 'stan we have all never heard of followed by viper snake watching on a reed barge in inner BuganBugan land?

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    I will go to London in a pearly suit and vote for Leon as long as its not Reform or Green
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Go Leon!

    He may have reveal his true identity though, at least to the returning officer.
    Fortunately absolutely no skeletons in the closet...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947
    edited 9:11PM
    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,939
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Mebyon Kernow, the strong leadership London needs.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,939
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    edited 9:13PM

    Andy_JS said:

    Is there anything more ridiculous than Iran attacking Gulf States?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

    No
    Andy, BigG - what about if you put your head in the mind of an Iranian nationalist, what they are doing makes perfect sense then, doesn’t it?
    My wife's hairdresser said her Iranian friend had cancelled her 6 year old daughter's birthday party yesterday because they were worried sick about their family in Iran but support the US action

    And by the way once the US and Israel took their action, they involved all their allies in the arena and Iran's indiscriminate firing of drones and missiles towards our bases means we are legally entitled to eliminate the location of those sites

    We did not start this war, but we are in it now and it is unacceptable to expect US to act on our behalf when we have the capability to defend ourselves

    Apparently 4 x BI aircraft with upto 24 cruise missiles each are about to leave Fairford to attack Iran and B52s are said to be joining them

    We are very much part of these operations now
    “ We are very much part of these operations now”

    We started the day asking if you are on message with Kemi Big G, I’m still asking you, are you sure you are?


    Yes - read all her speech and she is right

    Too slow and too political by Starmer justifies her position
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,902
    kle4 said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Go Leon!

    He may have reveal his true identity though, at least to the returning officer.
    Fortunately absolutely no skeletons in the closet...
    And only about a dozen people would recognise the true identity. #winninghere
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,284

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They will be defensive strikes.

    One missile on each aircraft will have the warhead replaced with a legal brief detailing the defensive nature of the strike, and leaving a space for the recipient to sign and acknowledge the defensive nature of the defensive strike.

    Which will be entirely defensive.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 288
    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagginf of graffiti and chucking of litter a flogging offence, with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner

    I'll support if you introduce the tasering of tourists who feed the pigeons and squirrels in St James's park.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,942
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    I would double that round of Ardnamurchan I owe you if you stood for the Greens.

    My inexplicable fondness for your excitable-fascist-puppy persona would increase exponentially if it turned out you have been a secret lefty trolling us for YEARS about your soggy centrist support for Starmer followed by your doe-eyed fawning over the latest jackbooted nincompoop.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,323
    edited 9:18PM
    deleted.



    Need to find the links before posting that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagginf of graffiti and chucking of litter a flogging offence, with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner

    I'll support if you introduce the tasering of tourists who feed the pigeons and squirrels in St James's park.
    Tasering seems a bit harsh. How about just "giving them a slap"?

    Special London park keepers will patrol the royal parks, dressed in magnificent velvet livery reminsicent of the Papal Swiss Guards, but better, and they shall have licence to give misdoers "a bit of slap", Americans in particular will be punished thus, "upside the head"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    edited 9:17PM
    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Is a monorail on offer? This is crucial.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 288
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagginf of graffiti and chucking of litter a flogging offence, with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner

    I'll support if you introduce the tasering of tourists who feed the pigeons and squirrels in St James's park.
    Tasering seems a bit harsh. How about just "giving them a slap"?

    Special London park keepers will patrol the royal parks, dressed in magnificent velvet livery reminsicent of the Papal Swiss Guards, but better, and they shall have licence to give misdoers "a bit of slap", Americans in particular will be punished thus, "upside the head"
    Woke nonsense. I'm out.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,779
    @paleofuture.bsky.social‬

    Trump calls the UK a “once great ally” and says they’re “finally giving serious thought to sending two aircraft carriers to the Middle East.”

    “That's OK, Prime Minister Starmer, we don't need them any longer — But we will remember. We don't need people that join Wars after we've already won!”
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 9:18PM
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    They are losing hundreds of millions every year. It's a rich guys plaything
    Er, they're not. They are losing money but it's nothing on that scale Sorry

    "GB News has posted another loss-making year despite sharp growth in viewing figures, with the Paul Marshall-owned broadcaster now burning through some £120m since its launch in 2021.

    "In new accounts filed for the year ending in May 2025, GB News said its loss amounted to just over £22m.

    "That was smaller than in 2024, with its loss for the year being revised down to £32.7m from a previous £33.4m figure. "

    https://www.cityam.com/gb-news-loss-widens-despite-revenue-jump/

    At this rate they will make a profit in 2-4 years? Given their growing influence, I imagine the owners will be very happy with that

    Meanwhile. Sky News is watched by about 7 people and is heading for the morque, C4 News isn't much better, and who knows how BBC News would fare if they weren't funded by an obligatory poll tax, backed by jail sentences for miscreants

    Making money out of news is quite hard - tho it can be done
    BBC News combined with BBC World News and as I am sure you have noticed turn it "BBC News" channel anywhere outside the UK now and there is adverts every few minutes. Same with the website.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,569
    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,319
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    You cannot be so naive to believe that surely
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,688
    Scott_xP said:

    @paleofuture.bsky.social‬

    Trump calls the UK a “once great ally” and says they’re “finally giving serious thought to sending two aircraft carriers to the Middle East.”

    “That's OK, Prime Minister Starmer, we don't need them any longer — But we will remember. We don't need people that join Wars after we've already won!”

    He doesn't want the UK as an ally, neither do the Americans, and they should get their wish. That will hurt us, but is worth doing.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,779
    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup
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