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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    You cannot be so naive to believe that surely
    Starmer has made clear US bombers can only use UK bases for defensive operations not offensive operations
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    You cannot be so naive to believe that surely
    Starmer has made clear US bombers can only use UK bases for defensive operations not offensive operations
    At times you are so naive

    What is the difference by the way
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519
    edited 9:27PM

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,801
    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    By the time the world cup comes around, Iran will likely to be a total disaster, Cuba might have been attacked, and God only knows what will be next. Trump is off his rocker, and essentially nobody in the US has the courage to do anything to stop him.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,651

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    At least the voters will be able to find their way to the polling station using What 3 Words.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,315
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    He wont do anything. He will just look impotent with a fence still up his arse
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
    I'm not sure cancelling does much good, but it will be a degrading, excruciating experience as Trump uses every opportunity uses every opportunity to slag off the UK, then will give some cloying diplomatic speech at dinner pretending he has anything other than contempt for the country. It's a power thing, he likes that most of the time nations do not respond in turn to his insults, and have to come kiss the ring anyway.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    Absolutely nothing and Starmer cannot dictate targets even if he wanted to
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,946
    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    By the time the world cup comes around, Iran will likely to be a total disaster, Cuba might have been attacked, and God only knows what will be next. Trump is off his rocker, and essentially nobody in the US has the courage to do anything to stop him.
    Iran has been a total disaster since 1979.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
    I'm not sure cancelling does much good, but it will be a degrading, excruciating experience as Trump uses every opportunity uses every opportunity to slag off the UK, then will give some cloying diplomatic speech at dinner pretending he has anything other than contempt for the country. It's a power thing, he likes that most of the time nations do not respond in turn to his insults, and have to come kiss the ring anyway.
    The other problem for Charles is AMW and questions about what he knew will dominate the news media
  • eekeek Posts: 32,767
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Monster Raving Looney isn't a top political party..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
    I'm not sure cancelling does much good, but it will be a degrading, excruciating experience as Trump uses every opportunity uses every opportunity to slag off the UK, then will give some cloying diplomatic speech at dinner pretending he has anything other than contempt for the country. It's a power thing, he likes that most of the time nations do not respond in turn to his insults, and have to come kiss the ring anyway.
    The other problem for Charles is AMW and questions about what he knew will dominate the news media
    Yes, when your brother is probably [redacted] a lot of questions will naturally arise.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    At least the voters will be able to find their way to the polling station using What 3 Words.
    :lol:
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,068

    Blair was the greatest PM we’ve had since Churchill.

    However, on the Iran war him being for it is just another reason to oppose the UK ever getting involved.

    Blair is largely the one responsible for the shit show of 4th rate non-entities we have as MPs today. He promoted image above competance and party above principle. He had no interest in either public service nor political beliefs. His whole philosophy of politics was transactional and based upon the pursuit and maintenance of power. He was, to my mind, one of the worst Prime Ministers of the post war era and we live in the political aftermath of his failings.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519
    edited 9:37PM

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
    I'm not sure cancelling does much good, but it will be a degrading, excruciating experience as Trump uses every opportunity uses every opportunity to slag off the UK, then will give some cloying diplomatic speech at dinner pretending he has anything other than contempt for the country. It's a power thing, he likes that most of the time nations do not respond in turn to his insults, and have to come kiss the ring anyway.
    The other problem for Charles is AMW and questions about what he knew will dominate the news media
    Given Trump is mentioned frequently in the Epstein files one thing you can be sure he won't raise is that!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,290
    isam said:

    Sir Keir getting the PM war bounce

    🚨 Latest Opinium
    @ObserverUK
    poll 🚨

    Leader ratings remain negative across the board, although Starmer recovers some ground.

    Keir Starmer: -42
    Nigel Farage: -17
    Kemi Badenoch: -11
    Zack Polanski: -10
    Ed Davey: -4


    https://x.com/OpiniumResearch/status/2030372917465473107?s=20

    Possibly an 'avoiding war' bounce.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,651
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    If you are standing for Plaid Cymru then you can be sure of HYUFD's vote.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
    I'm not sure cancelling does much good, but it will be a degrading, excruciating experience as Trump uses every opportunity uses every opportunity to slag off the UK, then will give some cloying diplomatic speech at dinner pretending he has anything other than contempt for the country. It's a power thing, he likes that most of the time nations do not respond in turn to his insults, and have to come kiss the ring anyway.
    The other problem for Charles is AMW and questions about what he knew will dominate the news media
    Given Trump is mentioned frequently in the Epstein files one thing you can be sure he won't raise is that!
    There are voices other than Trump's in America, much to his regret.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 27,946

    Blair was the greatest PM we’ve had since Churchill.

    However, on the Iran war him being for it is just another reason to oppose the UK ever getting involved.

    Blair is largely the one responsible for the shit show of 4th rate non-entities we have as MPs today. He promoted image above competance and party above principle. He had no interest in either public service nor political beliefs. His whole philosophy of politics was transactional and based upon the pursuit and maintenance of power. He was, to my mind, one of the worst Prime Ministers of the post war era and we live in the political aftermath of his failings.
    He is also the one who introduced the 9% graduate tax on young people in order to avoid himself, his voters or his generation from having to pay the tax.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Huzzah!

    Starting to sound like the opposite of the 'longest suicide note in history'.

    Reparations from China for covid virus lab leak must be in the manifesto though.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,290
    edited 9:40PM
    Scott_xP said:

    @paleofuture.bsky.social‬

    Trump calls the UK a “once great ally” and says they’re “finally giving serious thought to sending two aircraft carriers to the Middle East.”

    “That's OK, Prime Minister Starmer, we don't need them any longer — But we will remember. We don't need people that join Wars after we've already won!”

    He's making a difficult thing (splitting from the US) seem a tad easier.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,315
    Trump doing his best to break Reform, lol
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,114
    edited 9:42PM
    This is a good non-technical video by the influential internet economic commentator Patrick Boyle, who I think is an Irishman living in the UK (well he's definitely an Irishman, but I THINK he lives here), about what's wrong with our stagnant economy.

    I don't agree with all of it - in particular I think he overestimates the part played by leaving the EU, doesn't blame high taxes, as opposed to a flawed tax system enough, and barely touches on overregulation, except in our disastrous housebuilding industry, and the video doesn't exactly break new ground.

    But it's a decent summary of the issues, especially how high taxes price people out of work and regulation out of housing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3neJOdknqc

    Now ask yourself if you can see Starmer and Reeves addressing any of them, as opposed to making them notably worse.

    And then look out for airborne bacon.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    We should cancel the State visit

    And boycott the World Cup

    I simply cannot see Charles going to the US and can see boycotts of the World cup
    I'm not sure cancelling does much good, but it will be a degrading, excruciating experience as Trump uses every opportunity uses every opportunity to slag off the UK, then will give some cloying diplomatic speech at dinner pretending he has anything other than contempt for the country. It's a power thing, he likes that most of the time nations do not respond in turn to his insults, and have to come kiss the ring anyway.
    The other problem for Charles is AMW and questions about what he knew will dominate the news media
    Given Trump is mentioned frequently in the Epstein files one thing you can be sure he won't raise is that!
    The journalist will at every opportunity and the media will be all over it
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,519
    edited 9:45PM

    Blair was the greatest PM we’ve had since Churchill.

    However, on the Iran war him being for it is just another reason to oppose the UK ever getting involved.

    Blair is largely the one responsible for the shit show of 4th rate non-entities we have as MPs today. He promoted image above competance and party above principle. He had no interest in either public service nor political beliefs. His whole philosophy of politics was transactional and based upon the pursuit and maintenance of power. He was, to my mind, one of the worst Prime Ministers of the post war era and we live in the political aftermath of his failings.
    To be fair Blair was never really a Labour Party man either, he was basically a globalist free market liberal who used the Labour Party to win and get power.

    Though it was the voters themselves who voted for the telegenic Blair and Cameron and their images over the more heavyweight Hague, Howard and Brown. I would argue Blair and Cameron were reasonably competent though even if both largely ideology and philosophy free certainly compared to the PMs we have had since and indeed Gordon Brown
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    Fishing said:

    This is a good non-technical video by the influential internet economic commentator Patrick Boyle, who I think is an Irishman living in the UK (well he's definitely an Irishman, but I THINK he lives here), about what's wrong with our stagnant economy.

    I don't agree with all of it - in particular I think he overestimates the part played by leaving the EU, doesn't blame high taxes, as opposed to a flawed tax system enough, and barely touches on overregulation, except in our disastrous housebuilding industry, and he doesn't exactly break new ground.

    But it's a decent summary of the issues, especially how high taxes price people out of work and regulation out of housing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3neJOdknqc

    Now ask yourself if you can see Starmer and Reeves addressing any of them, as opposed to making them notably worse.

    And then look out for airborne bacon.

    I watch Patrick Boyle a lot, he's frequently hilarious (and definitely worked here for a long time, whether he does now I don't know). Not some whinging lefty or raving rightist.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,808
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    edited 9:47PM
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @paleofuture.bsky.social‬

    Trump calls the UK a “once great ally” and says they’re “finally giving serious thought to sending two aircraft carriers to the Middle East.”

    “That's OK, Prime Minister Starmer, we don't need them any longer — But we will remember. We don't need people that join Wars after we've already won!”

    He's making a difficult thing (splitting from the US) seem a tad easier.
    Unfortunately that is something that would please him, but in this case that cannot be helped. When faced with naked hostility and contempt from 'allies' changing course is the only rational option, especially as there's at least a 50/50 chance that approach continues long term given his grip on the party is unlikely to end even when he does go - his endorsement will still make and break every GOP rep.

    His video on Neom in Saudia Arabia was a masterclass in dry sarcasm, it should be required viewing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,933
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    We underestimated the determination of wealthy right wingers to fund a UK propaganda channel.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,779
    kle4 said:

    his endorsement will still make and break every GOP rep.

    In the primaries, maybe, but even that is waning i think
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,114
    edited 9:50PM
    kle4 said:

    Fishing said:

    This is a good non-technical video by the influential internet economic commentator Patrick Boyle, who I think is an Irishman living in the UK (well he's definitely an Irishman, but I THINK he lives here), about what's wrong with our stagnant economy.

    I don't agree with all of it - in particular I think he overestimates the part played by leaving the EU, doesn't blame high taxes, as opposed to a flawed tax system enough, and barely touches on overregulation, except in our disastrous housebuilding industry, and he doesn't exactly break new ground.

    But it's a decent summary of the issues, especially how high taxes price people out of work and regulation out of housing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3neJOdknqc

    Now ask yourself if you can see Starmer and Reeves addressing any of them, as opposed to making them notably worse.

    And then look out for airborne bacon.

    I watch Patrick Boyle a lot, he's frequently hilarious (and definitely worked here for a long time, whether he does now I don't know). Not some whinging lefty or raving rightist.
    Yes, his videos about the Epstein imbroglio have been absolutely excellent, even though they're not what he usually does.

    He gives good non-techinical explanations of technical economic matters. As I have spent much of my career doing the same I can appreciate when someone else does it well, even if I don't agree with all of his conclusions.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
    FAIL

    My manifesto is meticulously proof-tested and focus-grouped

    There are several "chapels-royal" - one is right by the Savoy Hotel and is indeed known as the Savoy Chapel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,933
    edited 9:51PM
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Honestly, you're not a great deal more ridiculous than Boris.

    And a better writer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    We underestimated the determination of wealthy right wingers to fund a UK propaganda channel.
    I've not watched it, though it seems reasonably popular. If they can figure out a way to do it without being too American in style I'm sure there's a market for it - the extended rants from 'news' figures, the shoutyness, the overblown presentation, I think it is still a little much for a UK audience, which needs it to be a little more understated.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568

    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
    FAIL

    My manifesto is meticulously proof-tested and focus-grouped

    There are several "chapels-royal" - one is right by the Savoy Hotel and is indeed known as the Savoy Chapel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel
    Was the focus group three pissed blokes you once went sailing with gathered at Groucho?
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,523


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    I hope we kept the receipt
  • Labour make a strong recovery with Opinium
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    Trump has just posted that basically Starmer is a loser and so late to the war that he is shite etc etc

    Who would want to be PM in these circumstances?

    What would Winston do? Honestly, I dont know.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    I think that'd be the one thing that would unite the entire American political scene in going ape-shit. One side might understand the technical reason for such an action, but would go just as mad about it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,933
    edited 10:00PM
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    We underestimated the determination of wealthy right wingers to fund a UK propaganda channel.
    I've not watched it, though it seems reasonably popular. If they can figure out a way to do it without being too American in style I'm sure there's a market for it - the extended rants from 'news' figures, the shoutyness, the overblown presentation, I think it is still a little much for a UK audience, which needs it to be a little more understated.
    There's an audience for it.
    Just not a large enough one to make it "a market".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,808
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
    FAIL

    My manifesto is meticulously proof-tested and focus-grouped

    There are several "chapels-royal" - one is right by the Savoy Hotel and is indeed known as the Savoy Chapel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel
    Stretching a point, I'd say. But the King's Chapel is certainly better for privacy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361

    Andy_JS said:

    Is there anything more ridiculous than Iran attacking Gulf States?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ceqvwrydzpqt

    No
    Andy, BigG - what about if you put your head in the mind of an Iranian nationalist, what they are doing makes perfect sense then, doesn’t it?
    My wife's hairdresser said her Iranian friend had cancelled her 6 year old daughter's birthday party yesterday because they were worried sick about their family in Iran but support the US action

    And by the way once the US and Israel took their action, they involved all their allies in the arena and Iran's indiscriminate firing of drones and missiles towards our bases means we are legally entitled to eliminate the location of those sites

    We did not start this war, but we are in it now and it is unacceptable to expect US to act on our behalf when we have the capability to defend ourselves

    Apparently 4 x BI aircraft with upto 24 cruise missiles each are about to leave Fairford to attack Iran and B52s are said to be joining them

    We are very much part of these operations now
    “ We are very much part of these operations now”

    We started the day asking if you are on message with Kemi Big G, I’m still asking you, are you sure you are?


    If she does a PPB using this, I'm back in:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJMZP7jpd60
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,514
    Trump to Skir: "We don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won!”
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,847

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    Trump has just posted that basically Starmer is a loser and so late to the war that he is shite etc etc

    Who would want to be PM in these circumstances?

    What would Winston do? Honestly, I dont know.
    While it is tempting to let the outbursts of the toddler in the White House influence our foreign policy, and retaliation is superficially tempting, we are probably better off ignoring it and wait for something new and shiny to distract him.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
    FAIL

    My manifesto is meticulously proof-tested and focus-grouped

    There are several "chapels-royal" - one is right by the Savoy Hotel and is indeed known as the Savoy Chapel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel
    Stretching a point, I'd say. But the King's Chapel is certainly better for privacy.
    It is literally a "chapel royal"

    "The chapel has been Crown property for centuries as part of the Savoy Hospital estate, and remains under the aegis of the monarch as part of the Duchy of Lancaster and thereby is a Royal Peculiar. It was inaugurated as a Chapel Royal in November 2016.["

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel

    So you were wrong. Plain old wrong. Just admit it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568
    geoffw said:

    Trump to Skir: "We don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won!”

    Fine. We'll keep well out of this one. Wouldn't want to interrupt the total winning with anything crap would we?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,940
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    I saw GB News the other day. I was in a pub in Hampshire that had it on with the sound down. It looked cheap. There were a lot of adverts for stairlifts.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361
    Ratters said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    Trump has just posted that basically Starmer is a loser and so late to the war that he is shite etc etc

    Who would want to be PM in these circumstances?

    What would Winston do? Honestly, I dont know.
    While it is tempting to let the outbursts of the toddler in the White House influence our foreign policy, and retaliation is superficially tempting, we are probably better off ignoring it and wait for something new and shiny to distract him.
    Starmer was only three days late to the war.

    Not three years...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 10:08PM
    We are at the Trump stage of,

    "Surrender Starmer, that is what I hear people call him, in fact everybody is calling him, never liked the guy, what a loser. We don't need losers like him, and he is so short, did I tell you how short he is..."

    More polling bounce for Keir incoming.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    Trump has just posted that basically Starmer is a loser and so late to the war that he is shite etc etc

    Who would want to be PM in these circumstances?

    What would Winston do? Honestly, I dont know.
    I think we can be assured that Winston, being not massively autistic, dimwitted and awkward, and personally clever, witty and astute, would have handled the odious Trump a lot better than the fucking retard that is our prime minister
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568
    Leon said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
    Or, he's a decent honourable man making decisions in terrible circumstances who for obvious political reasons has to take his cabinet with him.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    No matter the rights or wrongs this fallout with Trump and Starmer is not what is needed right now

    I hope behind the scenes diplomacy is in overdrive
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    edited 10:10PM

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    I stayed in the Holiday Inn at Basingstoke last night.

    There are several reasons I will be complaining, the most egregious error was GeeBeebies was being broadcast on the TV in the breakfast room. No one could enjoy their rubber eggs with that filth playing.

    Are you serious that GB news was playing in the public area
    I've noticed in this quite a few public places. Airports, pubs, etc

    They play GB News. It is becoming the default news channel in parts of the UK
    "£0.00 to play" things often do - even when "£0.01" things which might be better are available. Bean counters everywhere.
    Yup

    I am old enough to remember when people said GB News would swiftly die
    I saw GB News the other day. I was in a pub in Hampshire that had it on with the sound down. It looked cheap. There were a lot of adverts for stairlifts.
    My dad and his wife watch a couple of channels I don't remember the names of, and firstly it was apparent they must not get enough advertising money because they'd repeat the same ads multiple times within the same ad break, but you could tell the subtle difference in estimated demographic for the two channels.

    One was advertising things like stairlifts and walk in baths, with a few more 'normal' products sprinkled in.

    The other was advertising things funeral care, and suggestions for charity will donations.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,315
    edited 10:11PM
    Ultimately.....
    He's not doing enough for those who support deeper involvement
    He's doing too much for those against this war
    He's upset those very keen on the special relationship
    He will not do or say anything re Trump to cheer those who hate the SR
    He's stuck with the bases in the UK and our intelligence sharing
    He's not got enough leverage to change the alliance in any meaningful way
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686

    No matter the rights or wrongs this fallout with Trump and Starmer is not what is needed right now

    I hope behind the scenes diplomacy is in overdrive

    What can it be saying, "Just ignore everything the President says, even though we will also tell you he means everything he says and you'd better take it seriously"?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568

    Mohammad Ali Shabani
    @mashabani

    If Iranian energy infrastructure is now being hit, all gloves can be expected to come off shortly.

    https://x.com/mashabani/status/2030358314094076398
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 10:12PM
    If you want to see cheap ads, ITV4, its basically just ads for charities and ads about creating ads on that channel.

    It is why linear tv is buggered. The only people watching it are old pepole.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,194
    The right wing press suddenly love Blair after he criticised Starmer .

    More good headlines for the PM !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947
    edited 10:12PM

    Leon said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
    Or, he's a decent honourable man making decisions in terrible circumstances who for obvious political reasons has to take his cabinet with him.

    No, he's not decent, he's venal and greedy, and he's not honourable, he's a hypocritical liar. We all know the plentiful evidence for this, it doesn't need rehearsing on here

    I am weary of this lame "Starmer is a pathetic wanker but, still, he means well" discourse. Yes, he is a pathetic wanker but he doesn't even mean well. See his entire career as PM, passim
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,723
    Trump is doing what we thought no one could ever do: making people consider coming out on Keir Starmer's side.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,025

    If you want to see cheap ads, ITV4, its basically just ads for charities and ads about creating ads on that channel.

    It is why linear tv is buggered. The only people watching it are old pepole.

    But I watch ITV4!
    Oh...
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,808
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
    FAIL

    My manifesto is meticulously proof-tested and focus-grouped

    There are several "chapels-royal" - one is right by the Savoy Hotel and is indeed known as the Savoy Chapel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel
    Stretching a point, I'd say. But the King's Chapel is certainly better for privacy.
    It is literally a "chapel royal"

    "The chapel has been Crown property for centuries as part of the Savoy Hospital estate, and remains under the aegis of the monarch as part of the Duchy of Lancaster and thereby is a Royal Peculiar. It was inaugurated as a Chapel Royal in November 2016.["

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel

    So you were wrong. Plain old wrong. Just admit it
    You referred to "the" chapel (sic) royal (sic) not "a", and Londoners of a traditional bent (i.e. ignorant of twenty-first century paperwork) naturally think of the one next to Clarence House where Charles used to thank his lucky stars when he was in town for the weekend. But you are literally correct. London deserves you. At least you'd be better than Khan, who according to legend isn't strong on chapels of any description.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    Ratters said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    Trump has just posted that basically Starmer is a loser and so late to the war that he is shite etc etc

    Who would want to be PM in these circumstances?

    What would Winston do? Honestly, I dont know.
    While it is tempting to let the outbursts of the toddler in the White House influence our foreign policy, and retaliation is superficially tempting, we are probably better off ignoring it and wait for something new and shiny to distract him.
    His outbursts are just a symptom of the wider problem that at least 50% of America is no longer interested in even pretending alliance is a two way street. Even if the situation gets better once he is distracted or ultimately is replaced by someone more diplomatically minded, the UK has to be better prepared for a world where the USA might turn suddenly vindictive and hostile - at present there's nothign we can do but eat shit when it happens, and we need to be in a position where we have some options.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568
    This is FUCKING disaster for Kemi and Nigel.


    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    37m
    Trump: “The UK, our once great ally…we don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won”

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2030397293581451678
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406

    Trump is doing what we thought no one could ever do: making people consider coming out on Keir Starmer's side.

    He is having dinner with Farage tonight
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,192
    Leon said:

    Leon said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
    Or, he's a decent honourable man making decisions in terrible circumstances who for obvious political reasons has to take his cabinet with him.

    No, he's not decent, he's venal and greedy, and he's not honourable, he's a hypocritical liar. We all know the plentiful evidence for this, it doesn't need rehearsing on here

    I am weary of this lame "Starmer is a pathetic wanker but, still, he means well" discourse. Yes, he is a pathetic wanker but he doesn't even mean well. See his entire career as PM, passim
    He's neither pathetic, nor venal, nor a hypocritical liar.

    He's certainly the best PM we've had since 2016,albeit a very low bar
  • glwglw Posts: 10,801

    No matter the rights or wrongs this fallout with Trump and Starmer is not what is needed right now

    I hope behind the scenes diplomacy is in overdrive

    Diplomacy is impossible. You can't make any meaningful deal or agreement with Trump, he changes his mind in the same sentence at times. He's lashing out because Starmer rightly didn't join a war for which the US administration has so far offered 10 different reasons. No country run by rational people is backing Trump, the whole damn world knows that emperor has no clothes, even most of the people who serve Trump know it. He's started a war his own defence and intelligence people warned against.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686

    This is FUCKING disaster for Kemi and Nigel.

    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    37m
    Trump: “The UK, our once great ally…we don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won”

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2030397293581451678

    Farage keeping pretty quiet again? As much as Starmer is very unpopular Trump is so over the top with everything, that Nigel usually ducks down a little, but it's such a big issue he presumably has come out and says he agrees with Trump on this issue? It's not like he would come out and say he disagrees with how harsh he is being on Starmer.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,568

    Paul Mason
    @paulmasonnews
    ·
    26m
    Trump tweets this, disparaging the Royal Navy , our elected government and our nation ... after Nigel Farage brown-nosed him in Mar-a-Lago. Reform are a threat to national security. They're on the other side.

    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2030400666129109282
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,068

    This is FUCKING disaster for Kemi and Nigel.


    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    37m
    Trump: “The UK, our once great ally…we don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won”

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2030397293581451678

    Simply doing what the US has done in the previous 2 wars.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,290
    Ratters said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    Trump has just posted that basically Starmer is a loser and so late to the war that he is shite etc etc

    Who would want to be PM in these circumstances?

    What would Winston do? Honestly, I dont know.
    While it is tempting to let the outbursts of the toddler in the White House influence our foreign policy, and retaliation is superficially tempting, we are probably better off ignoring it and wait for something new and shiny to distract him.
    Yes, he'll be moving on soon.

    That 'Love Actually Moment' is looking less and less ridiculous as an idea though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    glw said:

    No matter the rights or wrongs this fallout with Trump and Starmer is not what is needed right now

    I hope behind the scenes diplomacy is in overdrive

    didn't join a war for which the US administration has so far offered 10 different reasons.
    Hmm, reminds me a little of another nation whch employs the scattergun approach to justifications as a deliberate ploy to confuse.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,291

    If you want to see cheap ads, ITV4, its basically just ads for charities and ads about creating ads on that channel.

    It is why linear tv is buggered. The only people watching it are old pepole.

    I raise you GB News adverts - 50% for firms based in Swansea!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,361
    Leon said:

    I've been approached by one of the top political parties to see if I want to stand in London, for mayor

    I AM NOT JOKING

    Does London need the Khmer Rouge?

    Anyway, get all your personas to vote for you and you are nailed on...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
    Or, he's a decent honourable man making decisions in terrible circumstances who for obvious political reasons has to take his cabinet with him.

    No, he's not decent, he's venal and greedy, and he's not honourable, he's a hypocritical liar. We all know the plentiful evidence for this, it doesn't need rehearsing on here

    I am weary of this lame "Starmer is a pathetic wanker but, still, he means well" discourse. Yes, he is a pathetic wanker but he doesn't even mean well. See his entire career as PM, passim
    He's neither pathetic, nor venal, nor a hypocritical liar.

    He's certainly the best PM we've had since 2016,albeit a very low bar
    May was fatally weak due to being unable to deal with the Brexit issue, but apart from that rather big thing she wasn't generally awful was she? It's hard to rememember now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 10:24PM
    Seems @DefenceHQ realized it’s big video “reveal” showing British engineers at a workshop repairing vehicles inside Ukraine was quite a flub, as it revealed identifiable features and featured @LukePollard going so far as to describe the surroundings, making it likely to be geolocated and targeted by Russia. The post has been taken down but the damage is done.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2030276494036222120?s=20

    Luke Pollard and his team are about to get their arse handed to them and rightly so. A proper fuck up. Way worse than half the nonsense we’ve been talking about re: Iran this past week.

    So The Guardian were accompanying Pollard and now have also blown the geolocation of this repair facility. The dimensions of the building, the windows and the sunlight all help identify the blueprints and thus the location.

    https://x.com/warmatters/status/2030331070999073023?s=20

    Head in hands....Must do it for the gram...after the RAF broadcasting secret details on unencrypted message systems etc.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,192
    Lord Peter Gummer and Amanda Middleton, kicked out of the Lords and stripped of honours respectively, signs as the Covid Enquiry that the Tories thought they had kicked in to the long grass and Covid era corruption is coming back to bite them hard.

    Let's not forget most of the Shadow Cabinet were Ministers appointed by Johnson.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,847
    edited 10:22PM

    This is FUCKING disaster for Kemi and Nigel.


    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    37m
    Trump: “The UK, our once great ally…we don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won”

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2030397293581451678

    The most comical part is the idea the US has already won.

    At this rate I expect oil prices to be above $100 per barrel on Monday. I'm not sure that qualifies as winning, however many things and people you have blown up.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    edited 10:25PM
    Ratters said:

    This is FUCKING disaster for Kemi and Nigel.


    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    ·
    37m
    Trump: “The UK, our once great ally…we don’t need people that join wars after we’ve already won”

    https://x.com/Peston/status/2030397293581451678

    The most comical part is the idea the US has already won.

    At this rate I expect oil prices to be above $100 per barrel on Monday. I'm not sure that qualifies as winning, however many things and people you have blown up.
    Well, some definition of winning can always be found, even if it requires shifting what the stated objectives were going to be, so I'm sure they have and will achieve matters of susbtance, but the grandiosity of the rhetoric and talk of unconditional surrender will likely not be matched, given the difficulties of dominating and controlling a nation of 90m people.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,192
    glw said:

    No matter the rights or wrongs this fallout with Trump and Starmer is not what is needed right now

    I hope behind the scenes diplomacy is in overdrive

    Diplomacy is impossible. You can't make any meaningful deal or agreement with Trump, he changes his mind in the same sentence at times. He's lashing out because Starmer rightly didn't join a war for which the US administration has so far offered 10 different reasons. No country run by rational people is backing Trump, the whole damn world knows that emperor has no clothes, even most of the people who serve Trump know it. He's started a war his own defence and intelligence people warned against.
    Diplomacy will only return when the political heads of Trump, Farage and increasingly Badenoch are chopped off.

    Slay the hydra of utter depravity, fascism and opportunism respectively that seeks to undermine and besmirch our nation
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686

    Seems @DefenceHQ realized it’s big video “reveal” showing British engineers at a workshop repairing vehicles inside Ukraine was quite a flub, as it revealed identifiable features and featured @LukePollard going so far as to describe the surroundings, making it likely to be geolocated and targeted by Russia. The post has been taken down but the damage is done.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2030276494036222120?s=20

    Luke Pollard and his team are about to get their arse handed to them and rightly so. A proper fuck up. Way worse than half the nonsense we’ve been talking about re: Iran this past week.

    So The Guardian were accompanying Pollard and now have also blown the geolocation of this repair facility. The dimensions of the building, the windows and the sunlight all help identify the blueprints and thus the location.

    https://x.com/warmatters/status/2030331070999073023?s=20

    Head in hands....Must do it for the gram...after the RAF broadcasting secret details on unencrypted message systems etc.

    That seems like a horrendous mistake, Ukraine must be furious.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,194
    Fxck Trump .

    He slagged off the UKs contribution in Afghanistan and insulted the families of those who died . He’s been an enemy of Europe and a Putin stooge .

    Starmer for all his failings is head and shoulders above the stain on humanity who inhabits the WH .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 10:27PM
    kle4 said:

    Seems @DefenceHQ realized it’s big video “reveal” showing British engineers at a workshop repairing vehicles inside Ukraine was quite a flub, as it revealed identifiable features and featured @LukePollard going so far as to describe the surroundings, making it likely to be geolocated and targeted by Russia. The post has been taken down but the damage is done.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2030276494036222120?s=20

    Luke Pollard and his team are about to get their arse handed to them and rightly so. A proper fuck up. Way worse than half the nonsense we’ve been talking about re: Iran this past week.

    So The Guardian were accompanying Pollard and now have also blown the geolocation of this repair facility. The dimensions of the building, the windows and the sunlight all help identify the blueprints and thus the location.

    https://x.com/warmatters/status/2030331070999073023?s=20

    Head in hands....Must do it for the gram...after the RAF broadcasting secret details on unencrypted message systems etc.

    That seems like a horrendous mistake, Ukraine must be furious.
    Bit more serious than David Mastermind Lammy talking about Tycoon fighter jets and being ignorant of NATO members.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,069
    We could be looking at an economic depression if this goes on.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,025
    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
    Or, he's a decent honourable man making decisions in terrible circumstances who for obvious political reasons has to take his cabinet with him.

    No, he's not decent, he's venal and greedy, and he's not honourable, he's a hypocritical liar. We all know the plentiful evidence for this, it doesn't need rehearsing on here

    I am weary of this lame "Starmer is a pathetic wanker but, still, he means well" discourse. Yes, he is a pathetic wanker but he doesn't even mean well. See his entire career as PM, passim
    He's neither pathetic, nor venal, nor a hypocritical liar.

    He's certainly the best PM we've had since 2016,albeit a very low bar
    May was fatally weak due to being unable to deal with the Brexit issue, but apart from that rather big thing she wasn't generally awful was she? It's hard to rememember now.
    Very hard to PM with a minority. Under tbe circumstances, she did ok.
    Arguably the fact she didn't have a majority was her own fault. But some credit to her for trying to solve adult social care, even it wasn't the answer her elderly viters wanted to hear.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,406
    Brixian59 said:

    Lord Peter Gummer and Amanda Middleton, kicked out of the Lords and stripped of honours respectively, signs as the Covid Enquiry that the Tories thought they had kicked in to the long grass and Covid era corruption is coming back to bite them hard.

    Let's not forget most of the Shadow Cabinet were Ministers appointed by Johnson.

    He that is without sin cast the first stone !!!!

    Sky

    Mandelson's correspondence to be published this week from monday

    And this

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/taylor-aplin-jones-probe-court-33542682
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,194
    Oh Trump turned up for his photo shoot . I thought they were suckers and losers !

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    Brixian59 said:

    glw said:

    No matter the rights or wrongs this fallout with Trump and Starmer is not what is needed right now

    I hope behind the scenes diplomacy is in overdrive

    Diplomacy is impossible. You can't make any meaningful deal or agreement with Trump, he changes his mind in the same sentence at times. He's lashing out because Starmer rightly didn't join a war for which the US administration has so far offered 10 different reasons. No country run by rational people is backing Trump, the whole damn world knows that emperor has no clothes, even most of the people who serve Trump know it. He's started a war his own defence and intelligence people warned against.
    Diplomacy will only return when the political heads of Trump, Farage and increasingly Badenoch are chopped off.

    Slay the hydra of utter depravity, fascism and opportunism respectively that seeks to undermine and besmirch our nation
    Not a helpful metaphor, considering simply chopping off heads is a poor way to defeat a Hydra, without some additional work put in.

    Unless people go this route:
    https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0326.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 10:31PM
    kle4 said:

    Seems @DefenceHQ realized it’s big video “reveal” showing British engineers at a workshop repairing vehicles inside Ukraine was quite a flub, as it revealed identifiable features and featured @LukePollard going so far as to describe the surroundings, making it likely to be geolocated and targeted by Russia. The post has been taken down but the damage is done.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2030276494036222120?s=20

    Luke Pollard and his team are about to get their arse handed to them and rightly so. A proper fuck up. Way worse than half the nonsense we’ve been talking about re: Iran this past week.

    So The Guardian were accompanying Pollard and now have also blown the geolocation of this repair facility. The dimensions of the building, the windows and the sunlight all help identify the blueprints and thus the location.

    https://x.com/warmatters/status/2030331070999073023?s=20

    Head in hands....Must do it for the gram...after the RAF broadcasting secret details on unencrypted message systems etc.

    That seems like a horrendous mistake, Ukraine must be furious.
    Maybe they give him and the journos a trip to the frontline.....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,686
    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:


    Kevin Schofield
    @KevinASchofield

    That unprecedented second state visit was totally worth it.

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2030391983517086025

    Skyr has, as is his wont, chosen the very worst of all political options. He has grovelled to Trump, humiliaitingly, and yet when it came to policy - letting the Americans use our bases to take out a vile fascist regime - he has said No, at leasr for a few days, because Ed Mliband doesn't like it and we have to honour the views of Mauritius and China

    This is Starmer in a nutshelll. A weird toxic terrible mix of bad emotional instincts and even worse political judgement

    He should either have kept his distance from Trump, refusing to grovel., and then disallowed use of the bases; or he shoulda gone all in and been a loyal ally, and made the obeisance, and said "Diego Garcia of course, my liege"

    So now he is publicly treated like dog shit, despite the grovelling, and gets nothing in return, at all

    He is uniquely unsuited to be prime minister, yet he is prime minister. He shames the country
    Or, he's a decent honourable man making decisions in terrible circumstances who for obvious political reasons has to take his cabinet with him.

    No, he's not decent, he's venal and greedy, and he's not honourable, he's a hypocritical liar. We all know the plentiful evidence for this, it doesn't need rehearsing on here

    I am weary of this lame "Starmer is a pathetic wanker but, still, he means well" discourse. Yes, he is a pathetic wanker but he doesn't even mean well. See his entire career as PM, passim
    He's neither pathetic, nor venal, nor a hypocritical liar.

    He's certainly the best PM we've had since 2016,albeit a very low bar
    May was fatally weak due to being unable to deal with the Brexit issue, but apart from that rather big thing she wasn't generally awful was she? It's hard to rememember now.
    Very hard to PM with a minority. Under tbe circumstances, she did ok.
    Arguably the fact she didn't have a majority was her own fault. But some credit to her for trying to solve adult social care, even it wasn't the answer her elderly viters wanted to hear.
    It was the last time someone tried, we've been can kicking ever since.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,192
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Opinium
    Ref 29 (-1)
    Lab 21 (+3)
    Con 16 (-2)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Remarkably.
    That poll puts the Conservatives as SIXTH largest Party in seats.
    If you put it in electoral calculas it gives 373 seats for reform, labour down 344 seats to 68, lib dem 54 and conservatives 33

    If you think that will be the result I am sure you will get excellent odds
    And 52 Green. 44 SNP.
    I never said I believed it would be the result. However, it does just show how precarious the positions of Labour and the Tories are.
    And just how low Reform can go and still win a majority if no one else breaks free of the pack.
    And if there is no anti Reform tactical voting but there likely will be. Nonetheless overall a good Opinium poll for Farage, even if 1% down still enough on its own for a Reform majority and Starmer as Labour break free of the pack and squeeze the Tories and LDs a little and remain well ahead of the Greens with Starmer's keeping out of US and Israeli offensive strikes on Iran
    Whats that about Starmer keeping out of US offensive strikes on Iran with 4 B1 bombers each with a payload of 24 cruise missiles is readying to fly and attack Iran from Fairford ?
    They are not allowed to strike Tehran buildings only missile launchers
    Trail hunting B1s
    The nightmare for Starmer is if Trump ignores him and tells US bombers flying from UK bases to bomb Tehran buildings anyway. What would SKS then do? Send some jets to try and stop US bombers landing at UK bases? He can't shoot the US bombers down otherwise Trump would see that as a near declaration of war by the UK on the USA. I suppose Starmer could try and stop the bombers being filled with fuel on the ground?
    The US bases in the UK are legally RAF bases. If Starmer gave the order the army could turn up and park a couple of Warrior IFVs on the runway. Not a damn thing the USAF could do about it.

    Trump would go ape-shit, which is why it won't happen.
    I think that'd be the one thing that would unite the entire American political scene in going ape-shit. One side might understand the technical reason for such an action, but would go just as mad about it.
    The general public should turn up and sit on the tarmac.

    No paint

  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,947

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    If I do stand for London mayor, I naturally hope all the PB metropolitans will support me

    I intend to make the tagging of graffiti and chucking of litter quite serious offences, punished by flogging: with the caning done in public, on top of Primrose Hill, on Sunday afternoons

    So far that's my only policy, but I reckon it's a winner. I may make it my only policy. Also I'd get rid of telephone kiosks that now look like badly run urinals

    Compulsory drinking from the moment the sun is over of the yard arm?

    Vintage 18th century glass sales to be available in every supermarket?

    All rooms to be repainted in dark ominous colours?

    Everyone to accept that aliens walk amongst us but are outsmarted by AI that will wipe us all out before the end of the six nations?


    I will extend pub opening hours so they are 24/7,. except that all pubs must close at 8pm for 37 minutes, as this is when the King traditionally has an extended wank in the chapel royal by the Savoy Hotel, and it has long been deemed unseemly for his subjects to imbibe intoxicants even as the monarch is "knocking one out"

    This will attract tourists charmed by quirky Briitish traditions, and reinforce royalism amongat pub staff
    Chapel Royal is quite a long way from the Savoy. Did you mean the Ritz? Your manifesto is already falling apart.
    FAIL

    My manifesto is meticulously proof-tested and focus-grouped

    There are several "chapels-royal" - one is right by the Savoy Hotel and is indeed known as the Savoy Chapel

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel
    Stretching a point, I'd say. But the King's Chapel is certainly better for privacy.
    It is literally a "chapel royal"

    "The chapel has been Crown property for centuries as part of the Savoy Hospital estate, and remains under the aegis of the monarch as part of the Duchy of Lancaster and thereby is a Royal Peculiar. It was inaugurated as a Chapel Royal in November 2016.["

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savoy_Chapel

    So you were wrong. Plain old wrong. Just admit it
    You referred to "the" chapel (sic) royal (sic) not "a", and Londoners of a traditional bent (i.e. ignorant of twenty-first century paperwork) naturally think of the one next to Clarence House where Charles used to thank his lucky stars when he was in town for the weekend. But you are literally correct. London deserves you. At least you'd be better than Khan, who according to legend isn't strong on chapels of any description.
    Jesus frigging Christ

    This is like watching the world's most constipated mackerel try and defecate a proton

    After several yearning sentences, you grudgingly admit "you are literally correct"

    ie I was right and you were wrong. Sorted
  • Seems @DefenceHQ realized it’s big video “reveal” showing British engineers at a workshop repairing vehicles inside Ukraine was quite a flub, as it revealed identifiable features and featured @LukePollard going so far as to describe the surroundings, making it likely to be geolocated and targeted by Russia. The post has been taken down but the damage is done.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2030276494036222120?s=20

    Luke Pollard and his team are about to get their arse handed to them and rightly so. A proper fuck up. Way worse than half the nonsense we’ve been talking about re: Iran this past week.

    So The Guardian were accompanying Pollard and now have also blown the geolocation of this repair facility. The dimensions of the building, the windows and the sunlight all help identify the blueprints and thus the location.

    https://x.com/warmatters/status/2030331070999073023?s=20

    Head in hands....Must do it for the gram...after the RAF broadcasting secret details on unencrypted message systems etc.

    Clowns. Absolute clowns.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,375
    edited 10:31PM

    Seems @DefenceHQ realized it’s big video “reveal” showing British engineers at a workshop repairing vehicles inside Ukraine was quite a flub, as it revealed identifiable features and featured @LukePollard going so far as to describe the surroundings, making it likely to be geolocated and targeted by Russia. The post has been taken down but the damage is done.
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2030276494036222120?s=20

    Luke Pollard and his team are about to get their arse handed to them and rightly so. A proper fuck up. Way worse than half the nonsense we’ve been talking about re: Iran this past week.

    So The Guardian were accompanying Pollard and now have also blown the geolocation of this repair facility. The dimensions of the building, the windows and the sunlight all help identify the blueprints and thus the location.

    https://x.com/warmatters/status/2030331070999073023?s=20

    Head in hands....Must do it for the gram...after the RAF broadcasting secret details on unencrypted message systems etc.

    Clowns. Absolute clowns.
    A reminder we are led by morons. And the other options are no smarter.
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