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The Greens are nearly first with YouGov – politicalbetting.com

At the start of January I tipped the Greens to lead in a YouGov poll in 2026 and this poll brings me great joy on that front. I suspect the Greens will get another boost after May’s locals.

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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596
    Oh joy, that will go well.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,090
    edited 8:19AM
    Fpt
    So, a question for the Greens. Are they going to be able to field enough candidates in May to make the sort of breakthrough results we saw with Reform that could translate into a more sustained boost?
    I'm thinking yes in London, not a chance elsewhere? (Meaning finding enough candidates to make a 'breakthrough')
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,144
    All these stories about Trump not being happy with Starmer are the best headlines he’s had for a very long time !

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,594

    It could be three years to the GE. I don't think the polling has a lot of significance at this point

    But think about my bet.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,267
    Politics in this country is fucked.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335
    TSE forgets that all will change this afternoon when the Chancellor of the Exchequer triumphantly delivers her spring statement (no longer a budget).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,336
    edited 8:22AM
    8th like SKS in the list of last 8 PM popularity poll
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,424
    edited 8:22AM
    nico67 said:

    All these stories about Trump not being happy with Starmer are the best headlines he’s had for a very long time !

    Starmer being Starmer has managed to offend both the Trumpists and the anti-Trumpists.

    If ever there was a politician with the negative Midas touch!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,423
    Greens 6% higher with Yougov than the new Freshwater poll taken also since the Gorton by election and Reform 7% lower. So we need to see a lot more polls to see if the Greens really are ahead of Labour and the Tories and not far behind Reform
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,336

    Politics in this country is fucked.

    Guess who fucked it
  • eekeek Posts: 32,702

    It could be three years to the GE. I don't think the polling has a lot of significance at this point

    It confirms a general shift to none of the previous parties - which means that Labour need to think about when they bin SKS and call an election
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,870
    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,336

    TSE forgets that all will change this afternoon when the Chancellor of the Exchequer triumphantly delivers her spring statement (no longer a budget).

    Austerity Reeves going out with a whimper in her last such event
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596
    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the US administration doesn’t know what it’s doing or why it’s doing it.

    Instinct based on events so far is this will not topple the Iranian regime and whoever eventually emerges is (a) likely to be even more hardline than the fat old weirdo they’ve just nixed and (b) whether he is more hardline or not, will be desperate to get nukes, by buying from Russia if necessary, as an insurance against any repeat performance.

    If it was so easy to get nukes, given it does provide that safety, everyone would already have them, yet very few have joined the club in the last 20 years.

    The process of actually getting them remains prohibitive it seems.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,144
    Foxy said:

    nico67 said:

    All these stories about Trump not being happy with Starmer are the best headlines he’s had for a very long time !

    Starmer being Starmer has managed to offend both the Trumpists and the anti-Trumpists.

    If ever there was a politician with the negative Midas touch!
    To a degree but a public falling out with Trump will please many Labour MPs and although he did that u-turn he still pissed off Trump .

    I understand why he’s dancing on the head of a pin and he put in one of his better performances yesterday .
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,843

    Fpt
    So, a question for the Greens. Are they going to be able to field enough candidates in May to make the sort of breakthrough results we saw with Reform that could translate into a more sustained boost?
    I'm thinking yes in London, not a chance elsewhere? (Meaning finding enough candidates to make a 'breakthrough')

    I think there’s a sub group of opportunistic, ambitious folk who’ll check out which party is the best bet at any given time, Reform in Scotland and the rUK is a case in point. Pretty sure the Greens won’t have a shortage of applicants, of what quality is a different question.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,578
    edited 8:26AM
    HYUFD said:

    Greens 6% higher with Yougov than the new Freshwater poll taken also since the Gorton by election and Reform 7% lower. So we need to see a lot more polls to see if the Greens really are ahead of Labour and the Tories and not far behind Reform

    I don't think more polls will tell you much. The difference here is methodology (weighting, reach), not random error.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,702
    edited 8:29AM
    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596

    It could be three years to the GE. I don't think the polling has a lot of significance at this point

    It never does. Until it does.

    An extended period at the top would have an effect for an insurgent party even more than an established big player perhaps, by forcing the hand of whichever party they are eating into.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,094
    edited 8:28AM

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,926
    edited 8:31AM
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the US administration doesn’t know what it’s doing or why it’s doing it.

    Instinct based on events so far is this will not topple the Iranian regime and whoever eventually emerges is (a) likely to be even more hardline than the fat old weirdo they’ve just nixed and (b) whether he is more hardline or not, will be desperate to get nukes, by buying from Russia if necessary, as an insurance against any repeat performance.

    If it was so easy to get nukes, given it does provide that safety, everyone would already have them, yet very few have joined the club in the last 20 years.

    The process of actually getting them remains prohibitive it seems.
    There are a couple of reasons. One is that buying them from abroad isn't easy. You are reliant then for maintenance, care and refuelling on a foreign power. If that foreign power changes its mind about you, you are then seriously fucked in the medium term. That can be seen with our dependence on the Americans for Trident. So to be independent you need your own capacity. That's not technically difficult, but it's hard to do in secret and it isn't cheap.

    We then come back to, most of the great powers prefer to keep their technology to themselves - because after all, there are risks in letting small and unstable powers get hold of nukes in case some dementia-addled strong man gets hold of them and blows things up to Show He Can. That's ultimately the real reason why nuclear non-proliferation has been enforced.

    Neither of those apply immediately to Iran. All of the world's three largest nuclear powers are currently led by insane superannuated egomaniacs who may push the button anyway to dispel rumours about their button mushrooms. And getting one quickly, as a temporary measure to make the Yanks think twice while developing their own capacity looks attractive and given Iran's strategic importance to Russia plus Russia's financial problems would probably not be that hard.

    So unless the regime is toppled and replaced by a sane government composed mostly of flying pigs, I think there are very real risks involved.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,409

    Fpt
    So, a question for the Greens. Are they going to be able to field enough candidates in May to make the sort of breakthrough results we saw with Reform that could translate into a more sustained boost?
    I'm thinking yes in London, not a chance elsewhere? (Meaning finding enough candidates to make a 'breakthrough')

    They've got 200k members, and enthusiasm, I'd expect they'd be able to field candidates in most places.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,843
    edited 8:38AM
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    It’s not an objective fact it’s your opinion, which unless you’re the all seeing God almighty is subjective.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,169
    I wonder if we’d also get a lot of anti green tactical voting in a GE.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335
    FPT
    IanB2 said:


    Ladbrokes has scrapped its whole list of UK politics specials! I guess whoever got the job of funding the next staff Xmas party with far-fetched but sounding-halfway-possible eventualities for credulous punters to back, will soon be looking for new employment?!

    Some remain:-
    Boris Johnson Specials
    Jeremy Corbyn Specials
    Labour Party Leadership
    Next Permanent Liberal Democrat Leader (Temporary or Caretaker Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next Permanent Reform UK Leader (To replace Nigel Farage)
    Nigel Farage Specials
    Party Leader Specials
    Next Chancellor of The Exchequer
    Next Permanent Conservative Party Leader (Caretaker Or Temporary Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next London Mayoral Election
    Next UK Prime Minister
    UK - Next General Election

    One imagines there is a rethink after severely underestimating the Greens at the by-election and in the polls.

    Rumour has it that our bookies, who have been slowly expanding into America, are now looking with green eyes at the billions being raked in by Kalshi and Polymarket who have managed to get their markets regulated as derivatives (as in derived from the Wild West, where anything goes including blatant insider trading) rather than conventional bets.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,090

    Fpt
    So, a question for the Greens. Are they going to be able to field enough candidates in May to make the sort of breakthrough results we saw with Reform that could translate into a more sustained boost?
    I'm thinking yes in London, not a chance elsewhere? (Meaning finding enough candidates to make a 'breakthrough')

    I think there’s a sub group of opportunistic, ambitious folk who’ll check out which party is the best bet at any given time, Reform in Scotland and the rUK is a case in point. Pretty sure the Greens won’t have a shortage of applicants, of what quality is a different question.
    I wonder how many they stand though. They don't contest quite a few of the local by elections despite having been surging for a while.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596
    Dopermean said:

    Fpt
    So, a question for the Greens. Are they going to be able to field enough candidates in May to make the sort of breakthrough results we saw with Reform that could translate into a more sustained boost?
    I'm thinking yes in London, not a chance elsewhere? (Meaning finding enough candidates to make a 'breakthrough')

    They've got 200k members, and enthusiasm, I'd expect they'd be able to field candidates in most places.
    They may actually need to promise many people they will just be paper candidates to fill the lists, but it's worth it for the lookbof contesting so many. Then when they win you shrug and tell them to make the best of it.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,958
    FPT:
    IanB2 said:

    It's just a shame that the outbreak of World War Three rather overshadowed this year's annual Isle of Wight hedgelaying competition.

    I can't decide whether this is refers to planting hedges - does one 'lay' them? - laying in hedges or getting laid in hedges. Or some kind of unspeakable conduct with a hedge :open_mouth: We need more information!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596

    I wonder if we’d also get a lot of anti green tactical voting in a GE.

    Not yet i think, their reputation is largely neutral i think.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
    My worst lounge was in the last place you’d expect to find it. Male, Maldives.

    Only one lounge in the airport, £20 ish to get in.

    A couple of plates of salad, nothing but water or fizzy drinks, no alcohol. They did have some decent chairs and power outlets, but that’s about it.

    Having come from one of the honeymoon resorts, it was a massive let down.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,926
    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    There is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    It's tempting to vote Green just to see that happen...
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,137
    edited 8:37AM
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Looks like the US administration doesn’t know what it’s doing or why it’s doing it.

    Instinct based on events so far is this will not topple the Iranian regime and whoever eventually emerges is (a) likely to be even more hardline than the fat old weirdo they’ve just nixed and (b) whether he is more hardline or not, will be desperate to get nukes, by buying from Russia if necessary, as an insurance against any repeat performance.

    If it was so easy to get nukes, given it does provide that safety, everyone would already have them, yet very few have joined the club in the last 20 years.

    The process of actually getting them remains prohibitive it seems.
    While we still had enforced international law there was also less incentive for smaller countries to develop their own nuclear deterrents. In a dog-eat-dog world, that calculation changes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,594
    On topic, just imagine how badly the Tories would be doing if Badenoch wasn't so awesome.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    FPT: for the Greens.

    The problem is that blaming “billionaires”, people who have choices as to where they live and where they operate or list their companies, can very quickly make your country’s finances considerably worse for everyone.

    Ask Francois Hollande. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596
    edited 8:38AM
    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    Their is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    Lots of wives, husbands and polyamorous partners going to be persuaded to stand.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,038
    edited 8:39AM
    Not surprised after Gorton

    Surprise is Tory down 2 of the 4 uptick in Green vote.

    Starmer departure will be after May but could be delayed if ww3 starts.

    Tories look more sure on both polls to invoke leadership election

    Be interesting to see first polls taken 2nd 3rd March to see if any impact of Starmer standing up to Trump.

    Specific early polling suggest significant positive support for non aggression which could negatively impact Tories and reform as Trump ass lickers negatively.

    Paradox though is starmer non aggression could see Green and LD benefit more than Labour.

    This flux will only increase after May until Lab and Tory leadership changes

    We could easily see

    Green
    Reform

    Top 2

    Lab
    LD
    Tory

    3 to 5

    From early May thru summer.

    I don't envisage a levelling out until Autumn when some sort or reality and stability emerges based on new PM and new tory leader perceptions
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,926
    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    Their is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    Further thought - impossible anyway. I'm amazed you could even find one plumber.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,647
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    The comment you replied to was certainly playing the man, not the ball.

    I would not wish to have to choose between Reform v Green/Your Party/Workers Party, but I may very well face that choice, in Luton South, and if so, I would vote Reform.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596
    Brixian59 said:

    YouGov / Sky News / Times voting intention

    *Greens leapfrog Labour into second place*

    RefUK 23% (-1)
    GRN 21% (+4)
    LAB 16%(-2)
    CON 16%(-2)
    LDEM 14%(nc),

    Pollster note: This is the highest we've had the Greens, the first time we've had them in second. It is also the lowest we have had Labour.

    Suspicious family voting patterns in the Yougov polling respondents?
    Not surprising in immediate aftermath of Denton.

    Equal drop in Tory vote to Labour vote to Greens is a surprise.

    It will be interesting to to see first Polls done totally Sunday and Monday to see Iran fall out as Tory and reform unequivocally supporting war has seen specific polling suggesting very unpopular.

    Labour change of leader has been factored in for months, Tory change now looks equally inevitable based on both Polls
    If you look like a loser the public react - Tories may drop further post May.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335

    TSE forgets that all will change this afternoon when the Chancellor of the Exchequer triumphantly delivers her spring statement (no longer a budget).

    Austerity Reeves going out with a whimper in her last such event
    Apparently Reeves has just picked up more than £20 billion by an accounting trick with student loans (did I mention all economic statistics are rubbish?) and the bond markets seem happy (since they don't know what they are doing either; half-drunk barrow boys buying low and selling high have been replaced by coked up graduates buying low and selling high; it was not what Liz Truss did that spooked them but the way that she did it).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 46,843
    Sandpit said:

    FPT: for the Greens.

    The problem is that blaming “billionaires”, people who have choices as to where they live and where they operate or list their companies, can very quickly make your country’s finances considerably worse for everyone.

    Ask Francois Hollande. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax

    Any updates on billionaires’ choices as to where they live and operate in your neighbourhood?

  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,259
    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    Their is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    Lots of wives, husbands and polyamorous partners going to be persuaded to stand.
    We are actually not short of telegenic young women (whether AFAB or not) but I think we're almost always better off going for a candidate with experience on a council and hence some acquaintance with campaigning and machine politics. I also think we should resist the siren lure of parachuting slebs in.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,870
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,926
    Dura_Ace said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    Their is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    Lots of wives, husbands and polyamorous partners going to be persuaded to stand.
    We are actually not short of telegenic young women (whether AFAB or not) but I think we're almost always better off going for a candidate with experience on a council and hence some acquaintance with campaigning and machine politics. I also think we should resist the siren lure of parachuting slebs in.
    Reform's attempts in this regard show it does not lead to a good win.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    “Air Superiority” declared over Iran.

    https://x.com/mcccanm/status/2028735967121854970

    That’s the second-highest level, means that basically the locals are shooting guns at planes. Apparently the Iranians have some vintage F-4s from before the Revolution, although how airworthy they are, and how many hours the pilots have on them, is open to discussion.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,773
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    Nuclear power you can add back. Quickly, once someone else has developed RR's SMR.

    Trident is a total waste of time. A 2nd strike weapon we will only ever fire after we're already dead, assuming that the American dictator hasn't already removed our ability to do so. I'd be much happier with air-launched nukes instead.

    Is the suggestion that the Greens would leave this country defenceless? Thanks to the LabCon we have a navy so enfeebled that Cyprus - a island we partially own - is having to be defended by the FRENCH.

    If things were marvellous I could almost understand the argument that the Greens would screw things up. But we are already there.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,409

    FPT

    IanB2 said:


    Ladbrokes has scrapped its whole list of UK politics specials! I guess whoever got the job of funding the next staff Xmas party with far-fetched but sounding-halfway-possible eventualities for credulous punters to back, will soon be looking for new employment?!

    Some remain:-
    Boris Johnson Specials
    Jeremy Corbyn Specials
    Labour Party Leadership
    Next Permanent Liberal Democrat Leader (Temporary or Caretaker Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next Permanent Reform UK Leader (To replace Nigel Farage)
    Nigel Farage Specials
    Party Leader Specials
    Next Chancellor of The Exchequer
    Next Permanent Conservative Party Leader (Caretaker Or Temporary Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next London Mayoral Election
    Next UK Prime Minister
    UK - Next General Election

    One imagines there is a rethink after severely underestimating the Greens at the by-election and in the polls.

    Rumour has it that our bookies, who have been slowly expanding into America, are now looking with green eyes at the billions being raked in by Kalshi and Polymarket who have managed to get their markets regulated as derivatives (as in derived from the Wild West, where anything goes including blatant insider trading) rather than conventional bets.

    Who are the punters naive enough to take the other side of the "bets" that the Trump insiders are placing?
    Please don't tell me that the derivative status means that financial advisors/managers are pouring their clients' money into their gaping maws.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,926

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: for the Greens.

    The problem is that blaming “billionaires”, people who have choices as to where they live and where they operate or list their companies, can very quickly make your country’s finances considerably worse for everyone.

    Ask Francois Hollande. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax

    Any updates on billionaires’ choices as to where they live and operate in your neighbourhood?

    There was somebody who was so scared of war that he identified the world's most remote spot, where no war would ever penetrate and moved there in January 1982.

    Shame the place in question was the Falkland Islands.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,018
    edited 8:49AM
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    Farage openly describes Trump as his role model, who is an anti-democrat. Any restrictions or curtailment of democracy could be much more irreversible than the possibiities above, which is one of the reasons why I woukd vote for the Greens over Reform without hesitation.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,702
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

    Given how random Chinese quality control is got to say that’s the strangest restriction I’ve seen in years
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307

    Sandpit said:

    FPT: for the Greens.

    The problem is that blaming “billionaires”, people who have choices as to where they live and where they operate or list their companies, can very quickly make your country’s finances considerably worse for everyone.

    Ask Francois Hollande. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/31/france-drops-75percent-supertax

    Any updates on billionaires’ choices as to where they live and operate in your neighbourhood?

    Yep, they’re all very much staying put, and very supportive of their host government doing an awesome job.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,267

    Politics in this country is fucked.

    Guess who fucked it
    Politicians?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,423
    Brixian59 said:

    Not surprised after Gorton

    Surprise is Tory down 2 of the 4 uptick in Green vote.

    Starmer departure will be after May but could be delayed if ww3 starts.

    Tories look more sure on both polls to invoke leadership election

    Be interesting to see first polls taken 2nd 3rd March to see if any impact of Starmer standing up to Trump.

    Specific early polling suggest significant positive support for non aggression which could negatively impact Tories and reform as Trump ass lickers negatively.

    Paradox though is starmer non aggression could see Green and LD benefit more than Labour.

    This flux will only increase after May until Lab and Tory leadership changes

    We could easily see

    Green
    Reform

    Top 2

    Lab
    LD
    Tory

    3 to 5

    From early May thru summer.

    I don't envisage a levelling out until Autumn when some sort or reality and stability emerges based on new PM and new tory leader perceptions

    A plurality of Reform voters back the US and Israeli strikes on Iran though and more Tory voters support than oppose them in the polls too. It is Labour, LD and massively Green voters most opposed
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,647
    https://britain.votes.now/local-elections/may-26

    Interesting projections for the local elections, by ward. Pre-Gorton, of course, though I suspect local by elections offer a better guide than opinion polls.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,870
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
    My worst lounge was in the last place you’d expect to find it. Male, Maldives.

    Only one lounge in the airport, £20 ish to get in.

    A couple of plates of salad, nothing but water or fizzy drinks, no alcohol. They did have some decent chairs and power outlets, but that’s about it.

    Having come from one of the honeymoon resorts, it was a massive let down.
    I’ve been in that lounge! And yes it is desperate. No booze because it is on the booze free main island where everyone “lives”

    I remember a biz class lounge in nairobi where people actually started fighting over the free tiny cheese packets. However it was still preferable to being in the main terminal which was basically a cholera ward of groaning sick people lying on floors
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

    Not because using power banks means travellers avoid using China's trains', planes' or hotels' ‘special’ charging cables that transfer data as well as electricity.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,596
    edited 8:49AM
    Scott_xP said:

    nico67 said:

    All these stories about Trump not being happy with Starmer are the best headlines he’s had for a very long time !

    @paul__johnson

    The Sun

    Headline

    ‘TRUMP SKEWERS KEIR
    Dithering Starmer is pandering to Muslim voters by not joining my Iran blitz, slams Trump’

    Actual quote:

    ‘Asked about accusations Sir Keir is pandering to Muslim voters for political reasons, the President said “it could be.”
    Comes to something that press exagerration goes beyond what even Trump says. I can't take that style seriously, i need even partisan nonsense to pretend.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,702
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
    My worst lounge was in the last place you’d expect to find it. Male, Maldives.

    Only one lounge in the airport, £20 ish to get in.

    A couple of plates of salad, nothing but water or fizzy drinks, no alcohol. They did have some decent chairs and power outlets, but that’s about it.

    Having come from one of the honeymoon resorts, it was a massive let down.
    I’ve been in that lounge! And yes it is desperate. No booze because it is on the booze free main island where everyone “lives”

    I remember a biz class lounge in nairobi where people actually started fighting over the free tiny cheese packets. However it was still preferable to being in the main terminal which was basically a cholera ward of groaning sick people lying on floors
    That’s the thing with lounges, no matter how bad they are compared to outside with the masses they are an oasis of calm
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

    Given how random Chinese quality control is got to say that’s the strangest restriction I’ve seen in years
    It's about spying. See my reply to Leon.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,355
    The US have screwed up big time. The big fear of all the newly gentrified countries was always the Arab Street.They were all benefitting from great wealth and tourism which was why all the big Ad agencies were there which was why they could bring the likes of me to film their shampoos for them. But despite swimming in wealth they were very aware that their populations didn't necessarily share the loyalties of the rulers.


    And if Iran holds out then the anti Americanism which exists throughout the region could start breaking out big time. My very multi cultural crew in Dubai told me that the big fear was a bombing outrage at which time the whole Disneyland could collapse like a pack of cards. I note that 14 countries have advised the Americans there to leave.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,652

    I wonder if we’d also get a lot of anti green tactical voting in a GE.

    I hope so....
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,144
    I expect if this war causes a spike in inflation Farage and Badenoch will lay into the PM of course ignoring that they were all in on the action !
  • eekeek Posts: 32,702
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Not surprised after Gorton

    Surprise is Tory down 2 of the 4 uptick in Green vote.

    Starmer departure will be after May but could be delayed if ww3 starts.

    Tories look more sure on both polls to invoke leadership election

    Be interesting to see first polls taken 2nd 3rd March to see if any impact of Starmer standing up to Trump.

    Specific early polling suggest significant positive support for non aggression which could negatively impact Tories and reform as Trump ass lickers negatively.

    Paradox though is starmer non aggression could see Green and LD benefit more than Labour.

    This flux will only increase after May until Lab and Tory leadership changes

    We could easily see

    Green
    Reform

    Top 2

    Lab
    LD
    Tory

    3 to 5

    From early May thru summer.

    I don't envisage a levelling out until Autumn when some sort or reality and stability emerges based on new PM and new tory leader perceptions

    A plurality of Reform voters back the US and Israeli strikes on Iran though and more Tory voters support than oppose them in the polls too. It is Labour, LD and massively Green voters most opposed
    Reform voters are mainly those who are hard of thinking and still believe that Trump is all knowing.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335
    Dopermean said:

    FPT

    IanB2 said:


    Ladbrokes has scrapped its whole list of UK politics specials! I guess whoever got the job of funding the next staff Xmas party with far-fetched but sounding-halfway-possible eventualities for credulous punters to back, will soon be looking for new employment?!

    Some remain:-
    Boris Johnson Specials
    Jeremy Corbyn Specials
    Labour Party Leadership
    Next Permanent Liberal Democrat Leader (Temporary or Caretaker Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next Permanent Reform UK Leader (To replace Nigel Farage)
    Nigel Farage Specials
    Party Leader Specials
    Next Chancellor of The Exchequer
    Next Permanent Conservative Party Leader (Caretaker Or Temporary Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next London Mayoral Election
    Next UK Prime Minister
    UK - Next General Election

    One imagines there is a rethink after severely underestimating the Greens at the by-election and in the polls.

    Rumour has it that our bookies, who have been slowly expanding into America, are now looking with green eyes at the billions being raked in by Kalshi and Polymarket who have managed to get their markets regulated as derivatives (as in derived from the Wild West, where anything goes including blatant insider trading) rather than conventional bets.

    Who are the punters naive enough to take the other side of the "bets" that the Trump insiders are placing?
    Please don't tell me that the derivative status means that financial advisors/managers are pouring their clients' money into their gaping maws.
    The political bets are chicken feed compared to in-running markets on sport, television, weather, and anything else. Have a look at Kalshi's markets here:-
    https://kalshi.com/browse
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,870

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

    Not because using power banks means travellers avoid using China's trains', planes' or hotels' ‘special’ charging cables that transfer data as well as electricity.
    Is that true?? I can possibly believe it, implausible as it sounds

    I’ve noticed lots of weird behaviour on all my devices when trying to use the net in China

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,226
    edited 8:57AM
    Sean_F said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    The comment you replied to was certainly playing the man, not the ball.

    I would not wish to have to choose between Reform v Green/Your Party/Workers Party, but I may very well face that choice, in Luton South, and if so, I would vote Reform.
    It was saying (accurately and very much not "disgracefully") that a person who, whilst disliking fantasy populism prefers the racist type of it to the non-racist type, is very likely to be white.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,176
    Dura_Ace said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    Their is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    Lots of wives, husbands and polyamorous partners going to be persuaded to stand.
    We are actually not short of telegenic young women (whether AFAB or not) but I think we're almost always better off going for a candidate with experience on a council and hence some acquaintance with campaigning and machine politics. I also think we should resist the siren lure of parachuting slebs in.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr9oOEY1dDY
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    Roger said:

    The US have screwed up big time. The big fear of all the newly gentrified countries was always the Arab Street.They were all benefitting from great wealth and tourism which was why all the big Ad agencies were there which was why they could bring the likes of me to film their shampoos for them. But despite swimming in wealth they were very aware that their populations didn't necessarily share the loyalties of the rulers.


    And if Iran holds out then the anti Americanism which exists throughout the region could start breaking out big time. My very multi cultural crew in Dubai told me that the big fear was a bombing outrage at which time the whole Disneyland could collapse like a pack of cards. I note that 14 countries have advised the Americans there to leave.

    Fake news. The American Department of State has advised Americans to leave 14 countries. Wrong way around.
    https://x.com/nakuljosh/status/2028674403492573381
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

    Not because using power banks means travellers avoid using China's trains', planes' or hotels' ‘special’ charging cables that transfer data as well as electricity.
    Is that true?? I can possibly believe it, implausible as it sounds

    I’ve noticed lots of weird behaviour on all my devices when trying to use the net in China

    As an IT secutiry guy, that’s very true in China.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,409

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    Nuclear power you can add back. Quickly, once someone else has developed RR's SMR.

    Trident is a total waste of time. A 2nd strike weapon we will only ever fire after we're already dead, assuming that the American dictator hasn't already removed our ability to do so. I'd be much happier with air-launched nukes instead.

    Is the suggestion that the Greens would leave this country defenceless? Thanks to the LabCon we have a navy so enfeebled that Cyprus - a island we partially own - is having to be defended by the FRENCH.

    If things were marvellous I could almost understand the argument that the Greens would screw things up. But we are already there.
    My thoughts on UK changes that are effectively irreversible, in that the financial cost and/or public opinion makes reversing them politically unachievable.

    1) Free public education to 18
    2) NHS
    3) Abolition of rates (domestic housing)
    4) Privatization of public utilities
    5) Right to buy
    6) University tuition fees

    Future changes that would be effectively irreversible

    1) Top-up or insurance payment for NHS
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,137

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    Farage openly describes Trump as his role model, who is an anti-democrat. Any restrictions or curtailment of democracy could be much more irreversible than the possibiities above, which is one of the reasons why I woukd vote for the Greens over Reform without hesitation.
    There is also Reform's committment to environmental destruction on the basis of scientific incomprehension, which may or may not be reversible.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,701
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Israel has used the cover of the Iran War to launch a ground invasion of “strategic parts of Lebanon”.

    All part of the plan.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mg5fmb2evc2p
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,176
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    The US have screwed up big time. The big fear of all the newly gentrified countries was always the Arab Street.They were all benefitting from great wealth and tourism which was why all the big Ad agencies were there which was why they could bring the likes of me to film their shampoos for them. But despite swimming in wealth they were very aware that their populations didn't necessarily share the loyalties of the rulers.


    And if Iran holds out then the anti Americanism which exists throughout the region could start breaking out big time. My very multi cultural crew in Dubai told me that the big fear was a bombing outrage at which time the whole Disneyland could collapse like a pack of cards. I note that 14 countries have advised the Americans there to leave.

    Fake news. The American Department of State has advised Americans to leave 14 countries. Wrong way around.
    https://x.com/nakuljosh/status/2028674403492573381
    I told Roger that last night!
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,773
    Roger said:

    The US have screwed up big time. The big fear of all the newly gentrified countries was always the Arab Street.They were all benefitting from great wealth and tourism which was why all the big Ad agencies were there which was why they could bring the likes of me to film their shampoos for them. But despite swimming in wealth they were very aware that their populations didn't necessarily share the loyalties of the rulers.


    And if Iran holds out then the anti Americanism which exists throughout the region could start breaking out big time. My very multi cultural crew in Dubai told me that the big fear was a bombing outrage at which time the whole Disneyland could collapse like a pack of cards. I note that 14 countries have advised the Americans there to leave.

    America is transforming itself into a pariah state. Unless they can overthrow the paedo king they are in serious danger of becoming unwelcome in large parts of the world.

    I still remember last May sitting in a hotel in Ghent with colleagues chatting in the bar. Elderly gent looks across and asks "are you American?" We said "no, British" and he smiled: "oh good". Hmmmm, whatever did he mean...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,771
    Dura_Ace said:

    kle4 said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Holy fuck. Maybe I am going to be Minister of Defense!

    Their is a bit of (purple haired) head scratching going on in our local branch. Along with a perceptive yet plaintive query about how we find another 600+ Hannahs.

    Lots of wives, husbands and polyamorous partners going to be persuaded to stand.
    We are actually not short of telegenic young women (whether AFAB or not) but I think we're almost always better off going for a candidate with experience on a council and hence some acquaintance with campaigning and machine politics. I also think we should resist the siren lure of parachuting slebs in.
    Something that the Greens and Labour got right, and Reform got comically wrong. But where does Zack P fit into this?

    If he is serious about being a Player in the 2029 Parliament, surely he needs to be in Westminster before then. (See Andy Capp-not-in-the-ring's problem of being trapped in Manchester.)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,307
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Israel has used the cover of the Iran War to launch a ground invasion of “strategic parts of Lebanon”.

    All part of the plan.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mg5fmb2evc2p

    Again it’s the other way around. Hezbollah launched rockets at Israel yesterday.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,899
    Scott_xP said:

    nico67 said:

    All these stories about Trump not being happy with Starmer are the best headlines he’s had for a very long time !

    @paul__johnson

    The Sun

    Headline

    ‘TRUMP SKEWERS KEIR
    Dithering Starmer is pandering to Muslim voters by not joining my Iran blitz, slams Trump’

    Actual quote:

    ‘Asked about accusations Sir Keir is pandering to Muslim voters for political reasons, the President said “it could be.”
    Lol. Starmer may be simply pandering to voters full stop, aka doing his job as a democratically elected politician. Aside from the usual dead from the neck up Reform voters the British public can see this latest adventure for the crock of shit that it is. Americans don't support it either, incidentally. Trump sees to have lost his usual demotic touch. Well done Starmer for doing the right (and the popular) thing.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,803
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
    My worst lounge was in the last place you’d expect to find it. Male, Maldives.

    Only one lounge in the airport, £20 ish to get in.

    A couple of plates of salad, nothing but water or fizzy drinks, no alcohol. They did have some decent chairs and power outlets, but that’s about it.

    Having come from one of the honeymoon resorts, it was a massive let down.
    I’ve been in that lounge! And yes it is desperate. No booze because it is on the booze free main island where everyone “lives”

    I remember a biz class lounge in nairobi where people actually started fighting over the free tiny cheese packets. However it was still preferable to being in the main terminal which was basically a cholera ward of groaning sick people lying on floors
    That’s the thing with lounges, no matter how bad they are compared to outside with the masses they are an oasis of calm
    Back in the day every pub had a lounge where you'd pay tuppence more for a pint, have a carpet under your feet and enjoy the absence of unruly psychopaths at the adjacent table. Meanwhile Nancy Mitford was advising nice people to call it a 'sitting room'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 77,926

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
    My worst lounge was in the last place you’d expect to find it. Male, Maldives.

    Only one lounge in the airport, £20 ish to get in.

    A couple of plates of salad, nothing but water or fizzy drinks, no alcohol. They did have some decent chairs and power outlets, but that’s about it.

    Having come from one of the honeymoon resorts, it was a massive let down.
    I’ve been in that lounge! And yes it is desperate. No booze because it is on the booze free main island where everyone “lives”

    I remember a biz class lounge in nairobi where people actually started fighting over the free tiny cheese packets. However it was still preferable to being in the main terminal which was basically a cholera ward of groaning sick people lying on floors
    That’s the thing with lounges, no matter how bad they are compared to outside with the masses they are an oasis of calm
    Back in the day every pub had a lounge where you'd pay tuppence more for a pint, have a carpet under your feet and enjoy the absence of unruly psychopaths at the adjacent table. Meanwhile Nancy Mitford was advising nice people to call it a 'sitting room'.
    Pub? You were lucky! In my day we 'ad to make do with a small caravan.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,830
    Perhaps our mainstream parties have simply become too centrist, or indistinguishable, from each other.

    That's not entirely fair as viewed by us all who are closely engaged. But I can understand why people think so: in part it is because governing is difficult given fiscal constraints and demographic challenges.

    So we end up being a position where a new party of the left and a new party of the right emerge who have a clearer message. Could the election end up being Green versus Reform fighting for first and second? Of course it could, with the traditional/centrist parties vote split three ways in the middle.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,176

    Roger said:

    The US have screwed up big time. The big fear of all the newly gentrified countries was always the Arab Street.They were all benefitting from great wealth and tourism which was why all the big Ad agencies were there which was why they could bring the likes of me to film their shampoos for them. But despite swimming in wealth they were very aware that their populations didn't necessarily share the loyalties of the rulers.


    And if Iran holds out then the anti Americanism which exists throughout the region could start breaking out big time. My very multi cultural crew in Dubai told me that the big fear was a bombing outrage at which time the whole Disneyland could collapse like a pack of cards. I note that 14 countries have advised the Americans there to leave.

    America is transforming itself into a pariah state. Unless they can overthrow the paedo king they are in serious danger of becoming unwelcome in large parts of the world.

    I still remember last May sitting in a hotel in Ghent with colleagues chatting in the bar. Elderly gent looks across and asks "are you American?" We said "no, British" and he smiled: "oh good". Hmmmm, whatever did he mean...
    Roger's telling porkies. The State Department advised Yanks to leave, not the local Gulf States.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,762

    Politics in this country is fucked.

    So is our military capability. Stsrmer-Reeves-Labour have decimated our naval and air capacity in the Gulf since GE2024.

    https://news.sky.com/story/britain-has-limited-means-to-fight-back-after-years-of-underinvestment-13514399
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,144
    edited 9:08AM
    There is nothing that could make me vote Reform .

    I’d even vote Your Party if it meant stopping them !

    As for the Greens many of their policies won’t survive contact with the public when they get much more scrutiny .

    At the moment it’s a free hit , give Labour a good kicking . The same for Reform where many previous Farage positions on issues like the NHS will come back to haunt them .
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,461
    Selebian said:

    FPT:

    IanB2 said:

    It's just a shame that the outbreak of World War Three rather overshadowed this year's annual Isle of Wight hedgelaying competition.

    I can't decide whether this is refers to planting hedges - does one 'lay' them? - laying in hedges or getting laid in hedges. Or some kind of unspeakable conduct with a hedge :open_mouth: We need more information!
    https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/25899466.big-turn-2026-isle-wight-hedgelaying-competition/
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,830
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Israel has used the cover of the Iran War to launch a ground invasion of “strategic parts of Lebanon”.

    All part of the plan.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mg5fmb2evc2p

    Again it’s the other way around. Hezbollah launched rockets at Israel yesterday.
    I did think that was a particularly suicidal move by Hezbollah. Don't need to be a genius to work out Israel's response.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,743
    eek said:

    It could be three years to the GE. I don't think the polling has a lot of significance at this point

    It confirms a general shift to none of the previous parties - which means that Labour need to think about when they bin SKS and call an election
    As late as possible one would assume, given that virtually all of them are headed to the dole office afterwards.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,899
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    If a decent chunk of those green voters actually understand what policies they are voting for, then the country is screwed. Reform would be bad, but reversible after they fell. The Greens? At that stage it would be everyone for themselves and try to hang in and survive it.

    Thinking Reform are less dangerous than the Greens... tell me you're white without telling me you're white...
    What a disgraceful thing to post.

    Also demonstrates that you don’t understand what I wrote. Go and actually read both manifestos. It is an objective fact that both would be terrible for the country, but only the green manifesto would be irreversible (e.g. ending nuclear power and Trident).
    Only a white person could be sufficiently complacent about the threat from Reform to think that the Greens are the more dangerous of the two parties peddling populist fantasies. Reform put up a candidate in G&D who has said that non-white Britons aren't British. Every week some Reform candidate/councillor or other turns out to be an utter racist. The party talks up ICE style deportations. I don't think the country could survive a Reform government. And I think a lot of otherwise well meaning white people don't understand the fear that Reform generates among a lot of minority citizens.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,644
    nico67 said:

    There is nothing that could make me vote Reform .

    I’d even vote Your Party if it meant stopping them !

    As for the Greens many of their policies won’t survive contact with the public when they get much more scrutiny .

    At the moment it’s a free hit , give Labour a good kicking . The same for Reform where many previous Farage positions on issues like the NHS will come back to haunt them .

    When you criticise Green policies can you please condemn all other parties.

    It’s a new PB rule it seems 🤷‍♂️
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,461

    FPT

    IanB2 said:


    Ladbrokes has scrapped its whole list of UK politics specials! I guess whoever got the job of funding the next staff Xmas party with far-fetched but sounding-halfway-possible eventualities for credulous punters to back, will soon be looking for new employment?!

    Some remain:-
    Boris Johnson Specials
    Jeremy Corbyn Specials
    Labour Party Leadership
    Next Permanent Liberal Democrat Leader (Temporary or Caretaker Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next Permanent Reform UK Leader (To replace Nigel Farage)
    Nigel Farage Specials
    Party Leader Specials
    Next Chancellor of The Exchequer
    Next Permanent Conservative Party Leader (Caretaker Or Temporary Leaders Do Not Count)
    Next London Mayoral Election
    Next UK Prime Minister
    UK - Next General Election

    One imagines there is a rethink after severely underestimating the Greens at the by-election and in the polls.

    Rumour has it that our bookies, who have been slowly expanding into America, are now looking with green eyes at the billions being raked in by Kalshi and Polymarket who have managed to get their markets regulated as derivatives (as in derived from the Wild West, where anything goes including blatant insider trading) rather than conventional bets.

    Every one of the bets listed in the lead has, I think, disappeared?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,006
    Scott_xP said:

    nico67 said:

    All these stories about Trump not being happy with Starmer are the best headlines he’s had for a very long time !

    @paul__johnson

    The Sun

    Headline

    ‘TRUMP SKEWERS KEIR
    Dithering Starmer is pandering to Muslim voters by not joining my Iran blitz, slams Trump’

    Actual quote:

    ‘Asked about accusations Sir Keir is pandering to Muslim voters for political reasons, the President said “it could be.”
    Article says more about Harry Cole and the Sun, and where their loyalties lie - not with the United Kingdom - than it does about Starmer, or even Trump.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 35,335
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    No Barolo?
    No booze AT ALL. Terrible dim sum. And security stole my power bank as China has now banned all mobile power banks on domestic flights unless they have special made in China CCC marks on them, which is a handy way to drum up Chinese business

    Not because using power banks means travellers avoid using China's trains', planes' or hotels' ‘special’ charging cables that transfer data as well as electricity.
    Is that true?? I can possibly believe it, implausible as it sounds

    I’ve noticed lots of weird behaviour on all my devices when trying to use the net in China

    It is called ‘juice jacking’ if you want to look it up. The bad guys (or state sponsored secret squirrels) can read your phone or tablet, or install malware onto it. New phones are said to resist these attacks.

    One other funny thing is the so-called ‘great firewall of China’ which sometimes might not fully block your web queries as divert them to somewhere else.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,762
    edited 9:15AM

    Roger said:

    The US have screwed up big time. The big fear of all the newly gentrified countries was always the Arab Street.They were all benefitting from great wealth and tourism which was why all the big Ad agencies were there which was why they could bring the likes of me to film their shampoos for them. But despite swimming in wealth they were very aware that their populations didn't necessarily share the loyalties of the rulers.


    And if Iran holds out then the anti Americanism which exists throughout the region could start breaking out big time. My very multi cultural crew in Dubai told me that the big fear was a bombing outrage at which time the whole Disneyland could collapse like a pack of cards. I note that 14 countries have advised the Americans there to leave.

    America is transforming itself into a pariah state. Unless they can overthrow the paedo king they are in serious danger of becoming unwelcome in large parts of the world.

    I still remember last May sitting in a hotel in Ghent with colleagues chatting in the bar. Elderly gent looks across and asks "are you American?" We said "no, British" and he smiled: "oh good". Hmmmm, whatever did he mean...
    Roger's telling porkies. The State Department advised Yanks to leave, not the local Gulf States.
    And you don't think advice from state officials in the UAE etc would have a bearing on that direction?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,750
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Leon said:

    I’m in the world’s most boring business class lounge. China Southern (domestic) at Pudong, Shanghai

    It’s like the deserted cafeteria of a minor supermarket chain HQ in Dusseldorf in about 2010. Or maybe 2011

    The one I was in on Sunday (Marsa Alam) will trump the lot for worst of all time. It had a kettle for hot drinks and a total of 4 soft drink cans (1 sprite, 1 Fanta, 2 coca-cola) in the fridge.

    However fast pass / priority security meant we skipped past all 150 other people to get to the lounge - 2 people escorting us all the way and bypassing every queue.

    So lounge hilariously bad, other benefits removed all the stress from an Egyptian airport, to the extent I would pay the £22 if I didn’t get it for free
    My worst lounge was in the last place you’d expect to find it. Male, Maldives.

    Only one lounge in the airport, £20 ish to get in.

    A couple of plates of salad, nothing but water or fizzy drinks, no alcohol. They did have some decent chairs and power outlets, but that’s about it.

    Having come from one of the honeymoon resorts, it was a massive let down.
    Orlando is miserable. An overly crowded transit lounge set up with a tired salad drenched in unidentifiable gloop and suspicious looking of day-glo pink cookies. And massively crowded.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,006
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Israel has used the cover of the Iran War to launch a ground invasion of “strategic parts of Lebanon”.

    All part of the plan.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mg5fmb2evc2p

    Question for Badenoch and others. Why is it in the interests of the United Kingdom to join the United States in supporting Israel's effort to devastate the Middle East?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,161
    Good morning

    The greens riding high is absolute evidence of NOTA

    May will be a critical time for the old parties and all of them may want a knee jerk reaction to replace their leaders including the lib dems but where are these shiny new leaders to change the narrative

    Starmer was very good at the dispatch box yesterday if you want him to fall out with the US, but the defensive v offensive argument is dancing on the head of a pin

    The other problem for Starmer is nobody likes him and he is in middle of a right v left argument he cannot win

    However, in the absence of Burnham who is the one who will perform better

    By general acclaim Kemi has improved, and apart from the handful of anti Kemi posters, who really thinks changing the leader will change the conservative's fortunes

    Same with Ed Davey who is stuck and uninspiring, but where is his successor ?

    Politics has changed and if the two ends of the horseshoe end up running the country then the IMF will be knocking at the door

    *Kemi is a politician who attracks positive and negative headlines and like any politician must face stern critics, but there is a line and when we read irrational hatred defined as intense, illogical and enduring dislike of a person, often rooted in deeply held prejeudices, fear, or insecurity rather than reason. This form of behaviour asks the question why would anyone want to serve in public life ?
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